BmB

Thinking he's lying is reasonable, but the hostility comes out of nowhere. His disbelief is adequately covered with the whole "I don't believe that" thing.

I suppose he could be hostile because he's being held captive like that, but then his anger would be much less directed, which it is. Portrayed by his cool and arrogant "air". The "I'll never join you" is too directed at the notion that dooku is inherintly evil. It's like he already knows dooku is a sith. And since we don't have mcgregor on hand to record new lines I suggest the only reasonable way of dealing with it is to get rid of the whole "join me" thing. But it might make the convo seem pointless and even more broken up.

That's the problem with the prequels really. They're too messed up at a too deep level.

INVAR said:

Well, I just discovered the Adywan edit and I must say that it is near-perfect!

The ONLY thing that would have put his edit over the top for me, would have been if during Vader's first entrance - that for sake of continuity - Adywan had added the music cue from Empire when Vader enters the Bespin torture chamber to view Han's torture.

 

I temped the track to ANH and it works and fits perfectly - even to the point that the French Horns in the cue that follows Vader and his TKs past camera frame almost sound like Williams scored that scene this way.

 Actually I think it would be really cool if one could record a new cue from a horn player that's very soft, dark and toned to fit the mood of the scene, so we get the dramatic entrance theme, trailed by the soft and subtle "first" statement of the imperial theme which then fades into the ambient hum.

Speaking of music, I always thought "Burning Homestead" had to end in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJob_-m-gDE&#t=1m30s , rather than the ANH "dramatic cue". It just fits too perfectly. It's the most obvious cue in the whole film for adding the imperial march.

And for that matter adding the "hyperspace theme", which is basically that long sustained note we hear in ESB and ROTJ when the big hyperspace events occur. The visual, sound effect and music almost go hand in hand. One feels empty without the others. The structure of the falcon escape theme even supports this, you'd just have to extend the sequence enough that the "dramatic theme" occurs at the jump, and then superimpose the hyperspace note on the final note. The musical void could then be filled with another statement of the imperial march to further increase consistency. But... hmm. That would require a significant amount of effort to retime the score. :/ hopefully the surround mix has the dialouge seperately from the music.

I also always found it weird that Tarkin was informed that the falcon had markings that "match those of a ship that blasted it's way out of mos eisley" I mean, sure vader must know what mos eisley is having conducted the search for the droids, also accounting the whole having grown up there of the prequels. But being such a "remote" planet you'd think no one else owuld give two shits. Tarkin probably has no idea what it is and only heard of it through vader reporting on his findings and the guy reporting it probably just heard about the place 5 minutes ago when they matched up the markings. So adding the words "on tatooine" to the end of that report would help that a lot. Now, even though they have no clue wtf mos eisley is maybe they heard of tatooine at least in passing. And at the very least they know what planet to look up if they want to know more.

In short; space is big, tatooine is remote. And nobody would care about mos eisley enough that you need no planet associated with it.

I think you are ascribing too much compassion to the dark lord of the sith here.

Considering the last they saw of each other I'm sure he would have tried to take revenge, then scoop up the boy and train him for the dark side to help him overthrow the Emperor. Had he known.

brash_stryker said:

Thanks rcb! Care to elaborate? I'm open to criticism and even more open to compliments :)

It would be a lot easier doing a lot of the things i want to do if we had an isolated voice track available. As it is at the moment, cutting the dialogue messes with the music as they are usually together on the center audio channel.

That, along with my desire to add real model shots to replace much of the cgi (and having none of the expertise or resources to do so) are my main obstacles.

As well as the wooden acting and generally poor story :)

Two more clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTTG4Bbjf0

 I like the Obi-Wan/Dooku thing, but there's still Obi-Wan's unexplained hostility. Dooku just told him they would destroy the Sith, yet Obi-Wan goes all "I'll never join you!" as if he had just been told Dooku planned to gain world domination with a laser on the moon and extort the UN for one million dollars. It always sat wrong with me.

I'm not sure about Jar Jar, I kinda like the way Palpatine manipulates him into giving him emergency powers. To great contrast with the terrible "manipulation 101" of ROTS. In fact it's subtle enough I didn't even notice what was actually going on until like the 4th or 5th viewing.

Besides, doesn't the plot kinda break down if the army is already created? Padme has no reason to go to coruscant as the vote has already been passed and then there's no first quarter of the film.

I don't think Vader knew before sometime between IV and V. Contrary to what the prequels may lead one to believe it's a big galaxy and I don't think Coruscant tabloids care about Naboo.

The problem is if Vader had found Obi-Wan he'd prolly have tried to take revenge on him no?

Why is there no delete post button :/

I don't think Vader knew before sometime between IV and V. Contrary to what the prequels may lead one to believe it's a big galaxy and I don't think Coruscant tabloids care about Naboo.

The problem is if Vader had found Obi-Wan he'd prolly have tried to take revenge on him no?

Well actually Phantom was shot on 35mm no? But I'm sure the master is a 1080p digital scan anyway.

Aww, you removed the tint on the engines of the ambassador's ship in the opening of EPI. :(

Well there's always room for lossless video on the HVD discs. :D

Regardless one would assume that Star Wars, being what it is, is always destined to return to the big screen. And then you want more than 1080p.

Also I don't think 4k will be used for home video for at least another 30 years if at all.

Whiners said:

You know, I'm sick of people saying this crap about contradictions. Okay, I will explain every contradiction I've heard about, and why it's not contradicting, and if there are any I left out, then go ahead and tell me what I did leave out and I will explain that.

Obi-Wan saying that he had two pupils, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader: He said this in order to make the tale sound more dramatic to Luke and the audience, claiming that Darth Vader was a different pupil of his, showing that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker knew each other.
Obi-Wan not telling Luke his father was Vader: Okay, ever since the prequel trilogy, many mentally retarded people have been asking this for some odd reason. It was a fucking secret, they're not going to change that just because the prequel trilogy came out and not let Luke know his father was Vader.
Obi-Wan claiming he was trained by Yoda and not Qui-Gon: Why exactly would Luke need to know about Qui-Gon? He's in the snow, he's trying his best to stay alive, why would Obi-Wan say "Run to Dagobah, and find master Yoda. Oh and Qui-Gon taught me as a padawan."
The new emporer scene: Have you ever thought maybe Vader asks "how is this possible" because he's just in disbelief that a Jedi gave birth when it's against the Jedi code? I'd be surprised too.
"Jedi Rocks" being a song about Jedi after the extermination: Jabba knows about Jedi. Remember when he tells Bib that he was fooled about a Jedi mind trick? Jabba's lair is very secretive, there are absolutely no imperials there. So why not sing a song about Jedi? Now if Jedi Rocks was played in a cantina or something, that'd be a different story. Also note that even if there were stormtroopers there, they probably don't even know what Jedi are either, nor that they are supposed to be extinct. That's something only people who lived during the prequel trilogy would know.

 I think the first two points were pretty much clear ever since that famous scene in ESB. No contradictions there, no. No one even had ROTJ by the time this much was cleared up, let alone any prequels.

Now, the way Obi-Wan tells Luke to go to Dagobah, he adds that Yoda was his instructor as an aside, this is important to the subtext that you are missing here. He could have said anything from "The grand master of the Jedi" "the great Jedi Master" etc. But no, it was very specifically Yoda who instructed him. Not Yoda who instructed everyone, not Qui-Gon who instruced him, not anything else. How to construe it otherwise is a stretch and always will be. As you say he wouldn't have added it lest it was important. Likewise the relationship between Yoda nad Obi-Wan's ghost is shown to be more specific, that of a teacher and his pupil, rather than the pupil/principal relationship Yoda shares with most Jedi in the prequels. Heck, Anakin is allowed to be trained he's never even let anywhere near Yoda. And certainly wasn't instructed by him so that discounts the "trains everyone" bullshit.

Anyway going off on a limb here, but it is inconsistent.

When was giving birth against the Jedi Code? I remember that commiting to a relationship is but giving birth? Besides Padmé wasn't a bloody Jedi anyways and Anakin didn't give birth to anything. O_o

Jonno said:

V said:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qf6cRijYU

 

Yep, that's the one. Closest thing I've found to the thing that I remember.

I quite like having fantastical childhood recollections - memories get much less creative as you get older ;-)

 This would seem to fit the bill of "with names" and "tranquil music" better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH9z8se3Aho

Also some of you guys are awfully quick to piss on the steadfast integrity these memories are claimed to have. A memory doesn't appear for no reason. It may not be exactly as you remember it but you remember it for a reason.

On that note I could have sworn Cortana said something to the effect of "we fled, and they followed" in the opening narration of Halo 3, alas it doesn't seem to be there. But it's a genuine memory and I'm not going to discount it so quickly. I remember it for a reason, and I intend to find out that reason someday.

Jonno said:

V said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qf6cRijYU

 

Yep, that's the one. Closest thing I've found to the thing that I remember.

I quite like having fantastical childhood recollections - memories get much less creative as you get older ;-)

Well, I like them, but only because they are so much less mangled. The theatrical pacing and performance is just more enjoyable overall. And that's what it's about isn't it? How enjoyable the movie is to watch. I don't know why they substituted lines in the SE with poorer versions that obviously had more takes done for a reason. The sound mix also just seems more dynamic than the almost flattened newer mixes that, for whatever sound quality that is gained is completely discredited by lack of any effort to hide transitions between good quality and bad quality takes. Matrix decoded 3 channel surround sounds almost as good as 5.1 too.

The scenes that were put back in were obviously cut for a reason. The problems the scenes had were problems that were solved 30 years ago. The solution became the theatrical cut. Going back on that means introducing new problems and destroying the solutions. And the new effects don't seem to do much good either, there's a few cool things but mostly these new scenes don't replace old ones that don't work. Most of the time they actually seems to be replacing exactly the effect shots that did work while for some incomprehensible reason leaving the ones that simply just won't fly. The biggest crime of the special editions is ruining the pacing that was so carefully put in place all that time ago. The very thing upon which the success of such a swashbuckling film rests.

On the other hand they did take the fading film and made it look absolutely amazing. The Special Edition is probably the best quality transfer of the OUT you'll ever get anywhere. The question is whether or not the digital master is unmangled enough to support reconstruction of the original film. There's quite a few of the effect shots that apparantly irrepairably destroys the original content of the scene.

And that's what really gets to me with these. The low resolution, heavy grain, ghosting and ... ugh, aliasing is very distracting. At least ESB seems clean enough to be visually enjoyable. Not sure about ROTJ, but ANH is a disaster.

I'd venture the opinion that there is nothing useful you could conceivably do for the prequels without completely remaking them.

Yeah the updated falcon escape and the now hilariously huge stormtrooper crowd is something that I actually miss in the original. As well as the impressively subtle update of the Mos Eisley reveal.

Other than that I can't really think of something, the CG effects aren't really that much of an improvement over the old ones. Instead of bad matting and perspective errors they just look video gamey. Tit for tat. None of the effects that truly needed updating have been so anyway. I still see an unprocessed lightsaber prop in ANH and I still see obviously composited pyrotechnics in ESB and I still see fighters popping out of nowehre in ROTJ, so whatever.

TV's Frink said:

BmB said:

No, the ability to post my worthless opinion here is but a perk.

I didn't say your opinion was worthless.

 I didn't say you said my opinion was worthless. :P

It looks too artificially processed. Sometimes less is more.

I also think the glow on the text lends it character.

Significant reduction in file size and artifacts, no anamorphics, no wasting pixels on hard coded black bars, native res and no PAL speedup/Telecine bullshit.

You know, just sayin'. ;P

I suppose if you have the right cues with about the same quality as they are in the film mix you could invert them and use them as an [interference?] waveform to cancel out only the music while leaving a relatively crisp yet possibly slightly mangled, but musicless track.

It certainly would be a waste of all that wonderful effort to make a super high quality, no compromises transfer only to mangle it with such a crummy format as DVD.

You know, just sayin'.

No, the ability to post my worthless opinion here is but a perk.

Thank you. I'll enjoy my stay.

I'm not sure what everyone has against Jar Jar. I think he's funny. :/

Which of course you ruined.