Bingowings

I would love to see this.

Being British I was first introduced to "Journey To The West" via  the Japanese television series "Saiyuki" aka  (when hilariously dubbed by the BBC) "Monkey".

Then I read the book.

So this would be a dream come true to watch.

I helped to put on a puppet show based on Sun Wukong's Hindi counterpart Hanuman's starring epic "Ramayana" (there's a book in that story I could tell you).

I will try and track down and buy a copy first but I have yet to see a torrent up.

Hopefully the two will converge.

Good on you for keeping this film alive.

Moving this idea over from the Animated Star Wars thread, I must confess the idea of either Dooku replacing Qui-Gon or Qui-Gon replacing Dooku as the Seperatist leader is one I really like.

I don't know how it could be done but it makes so much sense that the Qui-Gon would be the father of the Seperatist movement and the Rebellion (I wouldn't like him being a Sith Lord though).

After the success of the Clone Troopers in Episode Two it would make sense for the Seperatists to get their own clone troops or (going by Grevious) cyborg troops.

seven said:

Since we are on the scene of the three SD's colliding, I thought it would a good time to mention these suggestions (if they haven't been mentioned before).

1. While looking out the front windows of the bridge of the Star Destroyer we should (shouldn't we?) see the main hull of the ship (the nose), but we don't. On the Executor as well, we should most definitely see the hull through the windows since it is much longer.

2. In the interior shot of the Star Destroyers Shield collision, near the bottom of the screen one of the computer console set pieces comes away from the wall and is pushed back into place by the extra.

I must confess to not noticing the wonky console before, perhaps rather than trying to stabilise the console it might be more fun to add some sparks and small explosions to create the impression that the vibration that Ady has so skillfully added has caused real damage to the bridge controls.

Ady's attention to detail continues to amaze me and the new captures look truly incredible.

Keep up the good work.

steamboy said:

Hello everybody and greetings from Sweden!

First, let me give a standing ovation to ANH:R and pass on my good wishes to the wonderful outlook of this thrilling project! I discovered ANH:R during the Christmas holidays and became an instant ambassador for your superior version.

My foremost issue with Empire is that lazy “Two fighters against a Star destroyer?” line performed with flawless retardation prior to the Hoth battle. I would love a redub on that one. Either way, looking forward to the finished edit and it will be fun to track your continuing progress.

Best regards!

Hello from me too.

As to the line I actually quite like the delivery, he sounds like a normal bloke (not everyone in the Star Wars universe is going to sound like Sir Alec).

If I were to go back and start from scratch I'd make Anakin about the same age as Obi Wan and a navigator/great pilot on a Spice Freighter (just like Owen Lars claimed he was). I'd give him Leia's dark hair and a bit of Han's cynical edge. He helps Obi Wan during Episode One and sensing the Force is strong in him Obi-Wan takes it upon himself to train him as a Jedi (no Qui-Gon needed).

Luke and Leia's mother would be a Queen about to be married off for political reasons to Bail Organa (and have Luke's blonde hair) and she would be on the wrong side of the conflict. So instead of the petulant child/teen Anakin we'd have a headstrong worldly wise Anakin and a younger woman who is being used as pawn in a political game standing up for herself against the system. Padme is a very silly name that would need to be changed and she would live long enough for Leia to remember her.

It seemed that Lucas was replicating the Luke/Leia thing too closely only with actors who couldn't rise above the limited dialogue.

Both Anakin and Luke say things like "It just isn't fair" or accuse people of holding them back, both Padme and Leia are Senators and leaders but also capable fighters in their own right but where Mark and Carrie pull it off Hayden/Jake and Natalie don't.

The one thing I did love about the prequels was the idea of the main villain working both sides of a conflict to a secret third agenda that should stay but I'd have had it so he didn't really care which side won as either way Palpatine would be the ultimate victor.

He seems to be the same with the Luke/Vader duel in Jedi, either Luke kills his Vader and he gets a new apprentice or Vader kills Luke and sinks deeper into the dark side and kills his only chance of removing Palpatine from his throne.

One idea that popped into my mind over my cornflakes is...remember when the Clone Wars were first mentioned in ANH?

It was a lovely little throwaway line which expanded the canvas of the story back and gave the saga more depth, the prequels don't have much of that, a few more lines (perhaps by alien senators or Jedi which could be added via subtitles as in the MagnoliaFan edits) could flesh out the Sith/Jedi conflict or the Naboo/Trade Federation dispute.

And it's Clone Wars isn't it? Not The Clone War.

The Naboo crisis doesn't involve the Clonetroopers (officially they hadn't been invented yet) it might be fun if the Gungans/Naboo were helped by a mysterious uninvited, shadowy third party, a reveal in Episode 2 could expose the secret that the Clonetrooper concept was being tested even back then ( a small team lead by Fett could be aiding the Naboo from behind the scenes with their knowledge... they do seem to get into that palace a little too easy for my liking).

The order for the production of the Clone army came around the same time as Naboo crisis so it would make sense that Sidious would want to test both sets of his troops for the more major seperatist war and the rise of the Empire.

The added mystery would counter some of the silly antics of the Gungans (even after the worst of them have been trimmed out).

adywan said:

i think i'd probably stick with using Star Wars music for the trailer. But that's a few months away yet. Interesting idea about using the announcer from the SE trailers. I may just recreate that trailer once Jedi is up and running

I've just finished the whole Bespin landing platform scene and i'm really please with how its turned out. I'm dying to post a cip.

there is something i do need a little help with though. The scene where they walk down the steps (straight after they leave the landing platform) and through the corridor, for the SE they replaced the window at the end of the hallway with a new outside matte, but forgot to change it for every other shot. I have tried using the GOUT to replace the new matte to restore it to its pre-SE state. the problem is that there is so much wobble on the GOUT video that i can't use it. I have seen in the GOUT image stabilisation thread about running a script in avisynth but i really don't know where to start with that program would anyone be able to use that script to stabilise just that scene? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I suppose there isn't a chance of replacing the window with a new window, a strong window, one that will not let our window mismatching tragedy continue?

I loved the idea of the exterior view of the rising lift but even when I first saw it I noticed it missing from one shot to another.

All this talk of a SE style trailer has me wondering if anyone has seen any Adywan footage projected?

It would be nice to see all that hard work on a big screen.

mrbenja0618 said:

You know... I'm sure this is crazy; but we have some freakishly awesome editors on here.... Why couldn't we re-shoot the prequels... I know how to shoot; and have the equipment... Someone has to know how to do some CG work... I know how to do green screen keying... We have all the music we could ever need.

 

I'm SURE this would never happen; but if some of us worked together on different aspects, I actually do believe it could happen.

 

Crazy dreams, I know... But how much fun would that be???

An ambitious scheme to be sure but it's not entirely impossible, (just look at how amazing some fan films look) perhaps you should move this topic over to the Radical Redux thread as starting from scratch is as about as radical as radical can be. It would be much easier to fill in the continuity holes if a new story avoided them entirely and this thread is really for recommending existing edits.

ImperialFighter said:

Bingowings, I take it you know that I am not referring to the shot you've shown, but to the 'flatness' that seems to come across in the previous shot, compared to this one.

I remembered that previous posts refered to the approach shot but I assumed that, seeing as the comments I replied to were illustrated with those shot comparision captures, it was the landing sequence that was under discussion at that point.

If anything the effects I described in the newer landing shot make the Falcon look fatter and shorter which might go some way to explain why in comparison it looks thinner and longer in the approach.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

IMPERIAL COMMANDER: "Lord Vader, we can't board the Rebel ship yet, The LSO haven't started up the Imperial March."

DARTH VADER: "Williams, just play that boring Imperial Motif, the Sith have no need for grand entrances."

JOHN WILLIAMS: "Tell that to the designer of that enormous white triangle you guys came in on."

FAN NERD: "It's not white it's very light grey."

FAN EDITOR: "Not when I'm through with it."

THAT is funny!

I'd like to see a better love story in AOTC. Here's a rough version I made that I think works pretty well...

http://rapidshare.com/files/183848266/LoveStory_01.avi.html

I wanted to make it so Padme falls for Anakin more easily and naturally. First, I cut the politics. Everyone else tends to leave this in their edit. Not sure why. I never got the impression that Vader cared much about politics. I never really liked these "flashes" of the darkside in AOTC anyway. I cut the dinner scene. Anakin saying "grumpy" is terrible. I tried to get to the meat of the confession scene where Anakin declares his love for Padme and cut all of the cringe inducing dialogue along the way.

Vader certainly does care about politics, he goes to great pains to avoid any embarrasment for the Emperor in the Senate when Leia's ship is captured in ANH (remember the politics of the Empire are a lot more simple than in the Republic and Anakin's comments foreshadow this).

ImperialFighter said:

 

I almost forgot, as far as the SE shot of the Falcon approaching the platform, and slowing down as it is about to land on it (in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better.

 

The true shape of the Falcon is slightly camouflaged by the new framing elements and uniform colour tint.

In the original 1980 version the ship's silhouette is not cluttered by the added buildings in the new version and the contrasting cylan/green tones have been largely over written with the intense orangey/peach tones that have been added to the 2004 version.

vbangle said:

Fuck the "forshadowing" idea Adywan.....just do what yoou do best. :)

 

I think we all want Adywan to do what he wants to a degree he is satisfied with but atmosphere is part of that.

If he feels that the quietness in that scene is deliberate and not down to the limitations of the day (and I'm not sure either way) it makes sense to keep the scene quiet (just better looking), if he feels it was just down to the what could be done in 1980 then he definately can do what he wants with the "forshadowing" idea. It's his project and I was merely pointing out possible nuances to the scene which he is probably aware of already.

Monroville said:

adywan said:

Funnily enough that's exactly what i've been working on. Here they are, although not yet quite finished:

 

You may want to play with/consider blurring the buildings more and more as they recede into the background due to atmospheric effects (like when you look at a city from far away and it has an almost transparent bluish look).  Maybe that was one of the problems with the city effects of the prequels was that everything in foreground to background looked sharp, when you would have focal issues and atmospheric effects that could have made the scenes more realistic.

Things like the monorails and air traffic could be nice visually, but at the same time the focus should be on the main action, not the stuff moving in the background.

I would nix the trains, but maybe put those slow pulsing red lights that buildings here have on the top (for airplanes at night) and have one or two cloud cars VERY far in the distance... maybe just reduced to a black dot with running lights.  Maybe something enough to bring the city to life (like maybe the addition of audio effects to indicate a busy city behind and underneath them) but not enough to pull away from what we are supposed to be paying attention to.

Some of those ideas I'm very keen on but one of the things I remember from seeing the film all those years ago was the feeling of dread that such a huge city being so quiet instilled in me at the time (I'm not sure if that was a deliberate directing decision or just down to not having enough money to bring the place to life back in 1980).

It foreshadowed that something wasn't right about the place (with the Imperials kicking around it would make sense for Lando to try and keep as many people away from danger as possible without looking like he was...you know, administrate casual).

The daytime scenes kind of blew that out of the water but the quiet did set a tone which was backed up by Leia's apprehensions.

After taking a careful look at The Heretic there is virtually nothing (minus a few shots here and there) that I can use (locusts mostly) so there will be no Max Von Sydow in this version, sadly.

I'm basically stuck with Dominion and The Beginning to work from.

I need to get hold of some good quality hyena in action footage to cast out those hideous CGI creations in both versions.

I'm starting the process of breaking down both films into comparable chunks.

Dominion is going to be my main canvas with footage from the other film being added where it fits better.

Ady for someone who said that ESB:R was going to be a lot less work than your other Revisited projects you really do seem to be putting a tonne of work into this one (not that I'm complaining).

Great stuff.

mrbenja0618 said:

So, no chance of someone re-shooting the entire prequels over again? =)

These are George Lucas' flims and he loves them pretty much the way he gave them to us.

He might make the odd change here and there (he already has with the DVD versions), we might get 3D versions if the fad takes off again but as far as he is concerned he had more control over the prequels than he did over the original trilogy and it's mission accomplished, let's sell toys.

Fan films are getting better but it will be a wondrous miracle if we ever got one as good as TESB.

That's why we are all here making the best of what Mr Lucas did give us.

Going by the Clone Wars television show it could have been much worse.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Hi, can anyone recommend me some good edits of the prequels? Especially Episode III? I've already seen Attack of The Phantom and loved it. the Adigitalman edit and the slumberland edit both looked very different and both interesting.

The MagnoliaFan edits are worth a spin if you haven't yet tried them and all three Slumberland edits (including his/her Episode III) have lots of interesting choices (especially when it comes to the battle droids).

Both get around the Jar-Jar problem in different ways MagnoliaFan by using subtitles to turn him into a wise-ass Solo type character and Slumberland by trimming his buffoonery so he is actually funny (well I laughed at least twice) while remaining the same character.

 

I'll take a look at the Magnoliafan edits but the reversed Spanish really bugs me....

 

Well this is a forum for fan edits, if that's all that bugs you why not replace it yourself?

 

Well I am working on my own edit of Ep III right now actually.

 

Best of luck, I look forward to seeing it.

I found the sound of the Gungans, the Trade Federation bods and their droids voices a bit urksome in the MagnoliaFan edits but the idea worked for me.

I would like to see the same idea but with a much more convincing set of alien languages used.

The subtitles were clever because they made the films (especially Episode 1) much darker and Jar Jar turned from being a silly clown into a likable jerk with a cynical streak.

I have yet to see the edit where he is a Jedi (there seem to be more than enough of those in the prequels already).

boon23 said: 
If he released it as a "preview" this would have been no issue at all. But when he posts on places where people release good quality fanedits, he will be compared to them. And rightfully so.
This very faneditor here has a long history...
started with selling fanedits, claiming that the works of others were made by him, releasing unfinished bad quality works over and over again and always making big words about it, like he did this time.
Now you can of course attack me, because I am so mean and criticize poor vengeance for another crappy release, but you can also may dig a bit and get informed where this reaction might come from.

I made my comments as point of principle.

If what you say about this editor is true (and he/she/they attempted in the past to make money out of piracy) that should have been entered into your post to flesh out your reasons for taking the tone that you chose.

It's unreasonable to expect everyone who posts on this forum to know the full history of everyone else who posts here, we do all have lives beyond this organ.

Anything we post on here is free to be countered, counter-countered and counter-counter-countered by anyone who reads it and taken in isolation your previous post regarding this project (which I have yet to see so I can't comment on it) did come across as I previously described it "poopy".

If the 'poopy hat' doesn't fit, you are well within your rights not to put the article on but if the aspect ratio is the one thing you really can't stand about this edit, show the chap how it should be done (don't try to make money off it) and take a well deserved bow. I always applaud a job well done.

boon23 said:

and to share this with my fellow OT friends:
to me this is another piece of crap from vengeance. Those who can enjoy releases that are technically insufficient are of course welcome to enjoy it. I for one can't. It is the 10th, 15th 20th fanedit of this guy that has huge errors and should have never been released this way.
proof?



I stopped watching after 10 minutes. Maybe I missed the best parts of it, I think I did not. A proper release of this could be nice, but I am rather sure it will not come from vengeance.

Not everyone has access to the same equipment, software or skills.

Fan edits should be taken for what they are and not for what they are not.

If the aspect ratio mishmash is a serious problem why not do the same project only to your high standards and then we can enjoy that version (I'm sure that the editor didn't squish the picture just to annoy you).

Nobody gets paid to do fan edits and no one charges for them either. While it's correct to warn people of issues like this in case someone spends (via their broadband account) internet time downloading something that they will not ultimately enjoy but it's perhaps better form to do so in a supportive and constructive way.

Being poopy to fan-editors is a sure fire way of cutting the number of interesting projects that actually get finished.

DarthBo said:

Monroville said:

(2) everyone agrees the whole "Luke and Leia" thing is kinda creepy (if you take the bro and sis thing as legit)

No they don't. I don't.

If people are suggesting trimming any of the Luke/Leia scenes because of the incest near miss angle of that part of the saga, I for one am against it for the reasons I posted some time back.

They were seperated near birth so they don't know what they are doing (in a Greek theatre sense) and this sort of thing does happen in real life, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2003/may/17/weekend7.weekend2)it doesn't conflict with the Star Wars fantasy realm and they don't actual do the deed so it doesn't suddenly transform the saga from being fun for all the family to being FUN for all the family.

Ripplin said:

RoccondilRinon said:

adywan said:
His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

You shouldn't have to. Being in such close proximity to major volcanic activity would fry anyone's lungs. (Of course, if we're being realistic, both Obi-Wan and Vader should have been frying early on, but for all we know Vader was lying there for hours before Palpatine got to him.)

That said, I'll be interested to see what you have in mind.

[lucas]You see, they were using the Force to keep the temperature around them at a reasonable temperature at all times.[/lucas]

 

 

Siliconmaster482 said:

I'm in the "lungs were burned badly" crowd. I never had a problem understanding the life support suit. As previously stated, the issue does come up of why Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't completely fried shortly into the battle, but all Lucasisms aside, I can actually buy that they were using the force to protect themselves, along with the shields on the miner droid/platform. Anakin gets 3 limbs cut off, goes into shock, his focus drops, and he goes up in flames. Seems pretty straightforward to me. It would be fun to see more of Vader being badass, instead of mopey and depressed. He should use his anger for his own power, not stand there and cry in despair. Lucas may have had the general right idea, but somewhere between his mind and the screen things got more than a little muddled.

This is all being covered on the Radical Prequel Redux Ideas Thread (just trying to atone for the few times I wander off topic elsewhere).

Davnes007 said:

Akwat Kbrana said:

Bingowings said:

As I said some pages back Star Wars isn't Science Fiction it's Science Fantasy, the story has to obey the rules of the fantasy realm it exists in but it doesn't have to obey the laws of real science (if it did the sound in space thing would be a bit hard to get around).

That's a bit silly, unless you intend to argue that the Star Wars characters are able to hear John Williams' score.

WHAT? ... You mean they can't hear the music? Hmmm....so that's why they don't know something bad is happening until it's too late!

 

IMPERIAL COMMANDER: "Lord Vader, we can't board the Rebel ship yet, The LSO haven't started up the Imperial March."

DARTH VADER: "Williams, just play that boring Imperial Motif, the Sith have no need for grand entrances."

JOHN WILLIAMS: "Tell that to the designer of that enormous white triangle you guys came in on."

FAN NERD: "It's not white it's very light grey."

FAN EDITOR: "Not when I'm through with it."

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Hi, can anyone recommend me some good edits of the prequels? Especially Episode III? I've already seen Attack of The Phantom and loved it. the Adigitalman edit and the slumberland edit both looked very different and both interesting.

The MagnoliaFan edits are worth a spin if you haven't yet tried them and all three Slumberland edits (including his/her Episode III) have lots of interesting choices (especially when it comes to the battle droids).

Both get around the Jar-Jar problem in different ways MagnoliaFan by using subtitles to turn him into a wise-ass Solo type character and Slumberland by trimming his buffoonery so he is actually funny (well I laughed at least twice) while remaining the same character.

 

I'll take a look at the Magnoliafan edits but the reversed Spanish really bugs me....

 

Well this is a forum for fan edits, if that's all that bugs you why not replace it yourself?

There’s no getting around it but both versions of the Exorcist prequel are pretty bad as are the prequel scenes in “The Exorcist 2 : The Heretic”.

The sad thing is there are some great performances and cinematography buried in the sand of all three.

My goal is to take from all three and from anything else that can plug the holes left by exorcising the terrible or conflictiing scenes and make something that is at least interesting enough to watch.

I’m a big fan of William Blatty’s writing and would love to pull together something in the same vein as his wonderful “The Ninth Configuration”.

The story would need a major overhaul, at the moment it’s too much like an African set remake of “The Keep”.

I would like to put a whole new soundtrack on there too (something like the very odd soundtrack to “The Exorcist”).

This will be my first project and it’s really early days so all ideas, input and help are welcome.

Let’s give Father Merrin something truly creepy to fight.

Octorox said:

Hi, can anyone recommend me some good edits of the prequels? Especially Episode III? I've already seen Attack of The Phantom and loved it. the Adigitalman edit and the slumberland edit both looked very different and both interesting.

The MagnoliaFan edits are worth a spin if you haven't yet tried them and all three Slumberland edits (including his/her Episode III) have lots of interesting choices (especially when it comes to the battle droids).

Both get around the Jar-Jar problem in different ways MagnoliaFan by using subtitles to turn him into a wise-ass Solo type character and Slumberland by trimming his buffoonery so he is actually funny (well I laughed at least twice) while remaining the same character.