Bingowings

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think thre's a problem with Owen being Obi-Wan's brother, but I don't know about the Anakin being Han-like, either.  I think Anakin should be his own character, not a copy of another character from the OT.  He needs to be a compliment to Obi-Wan, the kind of person that really WOULD be a good friend to him.  He also needs to be an incredibly gifted pilot and fighter with a very strong aptitude for the Force, but just a little bit reckless, to the point where he'd rather fight his way through a problem than be patient and figure out a peaceful solution, which is Obi-Wan's forte.

I wasn't suggesting he should be a copy but in a similar vein, alpha male, likes a good drink, good with the blue ladies but deep down he knows there is more to life (like Luke) something that would click when Obi-Wan picks him out.

Han's a pirate, a gun and ship for hire, Anakin could just be a pilot on a spice freighter but a good drinking buddy who meets this mystical knight and takes a genuine interest in what he's saying.

Anakin in TPM is a toddler version of Luke.

He's stuck on a planet in the middle of nowhere but wants to see the stars.

It would make more sense if Anakin had already seen the stars and though he could tell some good stories about what he saw there he never really found anything within until he meets that Jedi bloke that his drinking pal keeps moaning about.

It would also address the Tatooine problem, Luke isn't hidden on Anakin's homeworld but on a place he used to stop off at when he was between jobs.

Just one truck stop on the galactic high road.

 

I just don't like the idea. Anakin should be a naive kid who want's to see the stars. And besides how would Anakin go from saying phrases like "cut the crap" to "you may dispense with the pleasantries". I don't see how lovable rouge is any better than "Yipeeee!". The answer is not to turn the PT into the OT. It doesn't need a lovable rouge and a sassy princess and a reliable furry friend. It's different, it's grander, it's more opulent, it's more serious and operatic. I really think all the PT characters should be a little formal and stiff compared to the OT characters. It's a different time. And don't you guys like the ideas of parallelism? symbolism? the cycle of life? all things George was trying to achieve with the prequels but failed?  seriously, It starts on Tatooine and then everything comes full circle and there is a "new hope" again on Tatooine.

 

How does Leia go from “The more you tighten your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.” to “will somebody get this walking carpet out of my way?” (almost within the same reel) How does Luke go from being the sort of kid who whines "It just isn't fair. Oh, Biggs is right, I'm never gonna get out of here" to telling the Empire's ruler "Your over-confidence is your weakness"?

It’s a matter of context isn’t it? 
Things we might say to a drinking buddy at Sixth Form/High School aren’t necessarily the same as things we might say to our underlings when we are one or two promotions away from becoming the CEO of a huge multinational (and wearing a cape with gask mask accessories).

As for the parallelism it depends on whether you favour a nurture or nature explanation to character building (I like a bit of both).

Luke’s desire to see the stars largely stems from being stuck where he is by an over-protective (and possibly jealous) stepfather figure while his friends (including a cape wearing man crush in the shape of Biggs) leaves him alone with the grump. This could be Owen, replicating himself in Luke (“That’s your uncle talking”).

The inner spiritual quest could be the genetic inheritance from his true father which Owen is going out of his way to hide from Luke (“That’s what I’m afraid of”).

WheresBlackhawk said:

I think people are taking the HanSolo-like statement too literally.  Anakin can't be a refined character, because he needs to be reckless and have some anger management issues.  He certainly should not be a rogue or scoundrel either.  My comparison stems from Anakin being the kind of guy who would chase down an entire squad of troops by himself to save his friends or ride out to almost certain doom on a frozen wasteland to save his friend.  I don't see him as a thief or pirate, but someone who jump into the fray to save someone from being hurt.  Not for glory or payment, but because it is the right thing to do.

oh and CRAP i was really starting to dig the idea of getting away from Tatooine except for one silly Obiwan line from ANH...Owen thought Anakin should have stayed HERE and not gotten involved.  As I said...CRAP.  Erik I really liked your relocating idea...can you make this line not a lie?

 

 

Too many ideas bouncing around in my head now...and they all seem to have dead ends.

 

Making use of some American history here.  Let's say that Anakin is Beru's brother and therefore Owen is the brother-in-law.  Just like would sometimes occur in the old west,  Owen has been setting up a life on some outter-rim planet and has been traveling back and forth preparing to move the rest of his family out there (including Anakin).  Meanwhile Anakin has been doing the"navigator on a spice freighter" thing to learn about transportation and distribution for the soon to be family farm.  This family plan get blown to pieces when Anakin decides to go off to the noble cause of war (as many young men felt about WWI).  Since his family is falling apart, what if Owen tries to betray Obiwan to the enemy if he and his family can get out.  In the end Beru would ask Obiwan for forgiveness (Owen was only trying to protect his family) and since we are playing up the Jedi as monks, he would surely do so.  Anakin would be so angry he would not talk to Owen or Beru so maybe only Obiwan knows where the Lars farm actually is.  yes? no? too Lando?

OK...big jump ahead here... what about Anakin's wife.

I was thinking about the Emperor trying to kill her when she is pregnant and maybe framing the Jedi for it.  Could this be the reason for his turn against the Jedi?  Would his anguish overwhelm him.  What if he never knew that the Jedi were actually able to save her?  That's why the children were hidden.

Lastly...for tonite... Anakin's demise.

It was mentioned earlier about Obiwan mentoring a second Jedi.  I kinda like this idea but I haven't got it worked out yet.  There was also the statement about the rumors of Vader.  I like this too, but what if we just call it "a Dark Jedi" instead...maybe simply one who kills, if we want to establish that Jedi don't kill because it would harm the force.  Then we can have a big confrontation between the students that ends with anakin needing the Vader armor.  The fun part is showing basically both fall to their deaths (lava, boiling oil, at this point whatever) and we glimpse the hand of one surivor.  This (i know its still vague) idea would help hide Vader's identity.  When we finally get the Vader vs Kenobi battle, the scripting can help cememnt the twist.  Obiwan would sense who Vader is and Vader's response helps to seal the deal: Obi asks," YOU are Lord Vader?" Vader should attack him ferociously. Obi starts,"...Anakin..." Vader finally speaks, cutting him off, "is no more."  The audience whould be convinced the other student survived.

Just doing some brainstorming.  I don't know if any of it will be any help.

 

Now there are two really good ideas here.

One making Anakin Beru's brother (still allowing for Ben to be Owen's).

That way Owen is Luke's uncle (not half Uncle or pretend Uncle) but it explains why Owen is Owen Lars and not Skywalker.

If you took the heroic charmer side of Han and mixed in a bit of Biggs you'd get closer to what I see Anakin as being.

Those characters are really fleshing out now, Owen and Ben are like the brothers in the prodigal son parable or Cain and Abel.

Owen works hard on his daddy's farm and drinks and dreams, while Ben is the bookish spiritual one who goes off to be a Jedi.

Owen would really like to do the same but he's too rooted in responsibility which is why he spends his time listening to pilot's tales down the cantina.

His best friend is a navigator on a spice freighter who is a sand of the desert/salt of the earth sort of guy, so much so Owen marries his sister in the hope he can hang out with him more because he's a much better brother than stupid hippy wizard he grew up with.

And then the nerd comes home and runs off taking his dream brother with him, when he should have stayed with him and not gotten involved.

It's a man crush gone bad and Ben is Yoko.

Beru has had to put up with this sort of thing before because her dad was just like Owen but her mother was the Tarot, Tea leaf reading type which is why Anakin likes to listen to Ben's talk of mystical energy, it reminds him of his mother. Beru really needs fleshing out too. There aren't that many female characters in the Star Wars universe and of those that are there only Leia really gets to fully fleshed out. In ANH she does seem to be holding a whole lot back, even more than Owen so it would make sense if she is in possession of more of the bigger picture than he is. Owen is more worried about Luke running off, perhaps Beru knows from Ben the full danger of Luke being discovered too soon.

On the subject of strong female characters it would be nice if Luke/Leia's mum starts out as a very fragile,willowy character (the complete opposite of Leia) and then grows in strength and depth as the prequels progress.

Padme in the official prequels is largely a one note character and becomes weaker towards the end (she hardly gets a look-in in ROTS).

I'd like to see that turned on it's head so by the end of the trilogy she is strong enough to try (but fail) to stand up to her husband and start the Rebellion.

Her arc should be one of going from being a timid instrument of the political intrigue of others to being a stoic (but holding a lot of pain) defender of everything her husband once held dear but lost to madness and ambition.

The other great idea is the second pupil/ mysterious masked warrior.

In George's prequels the nearest thing would be Grevious with a bit of Dooku on the side.

I remember reading way back yonder that Vader was saved by the Sith Pirates who made him their leader.

If you had a guy who looked like and sounded like James Earl Jones but wore a big black helmet (just because it put the fear in people) you could keep the identity of Vader secret.

Darth Vader could be a title that was passed down as the name of the Sith Pirates leaders like this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts 

That way we could have Palpatine have various henchmen with the title Darth Vader Dark Lord Of The Sith, but Anakin is only the final version and his reputation is built upon all of them but we only find this out for sure in ROTJ.

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think thre's a problem with Owen being Obi-Wan's brother, but I don't know about the Anakin being Han-like, either.  I think Anakin should be his own character, not a copy of another character from the OT.  He needs to be a compliment to Obi-Wan, the kind of person that really WOULD be a good friend to him.  He also needs to be an incredibly gifted pilot and fighter with a very strong aptitude for the Force, but just a little bit reckless, to the point where he'd rather fight his way through a problem than be patient and figure out a peaceful solution, which is Obi-Wan's forte.

I wasn't suggesting he should be a copy but in a similar vein, alpha male, likes a good drink, good with the blue ladies but deep down he knows there is more to life (like Luke) something that would click when Obi-Wan picks him out.

Han's a pirate, a gun and ship for hire, Anakin could just be a pilot on a spice freighter but a good drinking buddy who meets this mystical knight and takes a genuine interest in what he's saying.

Anakin in TPM is a toddler version of Luke.

He's stuck on a planet in the middle of nowhere but wants to see the stars.

It would make more sense if Anakin had already seen the stars and though he could tell some good stories about what he saw there he never really found anything within until he meets that Jedi bloke that his drinking pal keeps moaning about.

It would also address the Tatooine problem, Luke isn't hidden on Anakin's homeworld but on a place he used to stop off at when he was between jobs.

Just one truck stop on the galactic high road.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Why have Owen Anakin's stepbrother?

If you really want to start from scratch have him Ben's brother.

Ben is already a proven fibber and it made sense in the ROTJ novelisation for Obi-Wan to place Luke with his brother than Anakin's.

All the resentment about damn fool idealistic crusades could be Obi-Wan talking about his relationship with his own sibling and Anakin could have been this Han style great pilot that Owen and Beru used to drink with down the Cantina when he was a hot headed slacker kid (the type of boy he keeps telling Luke off for being). Anakin could have been type of cool brother Owen always wished he had instead of some weirdo hippy mystic ninja.

Owen could be just as mad at Ben for taking away and corrupting his idealised brother as well as not being it himself.

That adds depth to four characters in one swoop.

 

meh...you can add depth to the characters in other ways. I don't like the idea because it is established that Owen is Luke's uncle and nowhere is it established that he is related to Ben. That just muddles up and confuses things even more IMO.

I also thoroughly dislike the idea of Anakin being a Han like character. Han represents the type of person who thrives in the days of the Empire, when the more civilized and refined days of the republic are over. The characters of the PT shouldn't be as "modern" as the OT characters in that way. It also doesn't fit with Vader's very formal and regal sensibilities and pattern of speech.

 

The lack of a lovable rogue is one of the many things that hamstrung Lucas' prequels.

Besides a prequel trilogy has to read both ways to really be of any worth (something else Lucas forgot).

It should work both when seen from I-VI and when seen from I-III after the OT.

The audience needs some surprises in a series where the outcome is already known to 99.99% of the target audience.

It fits in with Obi-Wan's point of view philosophy (something already established in the OT), it's not as daft as Anakin building Threepio and Owen living with him for months (maybe years) and then forgetting about it or Obi-Wan not showing even the slightest recognition of knowing Artoo despite the crucial role he played in his many years as a Jedi (that's a lot of points of view that old fossil is keeping under his hood).

Darth Godbold said:

thanks for your enthusiasm i wanted to keep the title of the film purely because i wouldnt know how to go about making a new crawl and ive personally never thought that the name phantom menace was bad,

 

i am pretty happy with when i first thought id finished i created a dvd and noticed a few problems

and have spent along time making sure the audio and video cuts are as smooth as possible with no

noticable issues,

 

the only thing i was unsure about was the alternate ending

the version i have rendered includes the celebration but i also have a version saved where the credits drop after the qui gon funeral sequence.

i actually prefer having the celebration in for some reason, i feel it helps to give the movie an easier transition into the credits

The only thing I'd add there is that it almost creates the impression that they are having one hell of a wake for the guy (almost as if they don't really like him that much).

I'd toy with the idea of having a truncated celebration first, Yoda and Obi-wan discuss Anakin's future, then the funeral then a pan up to the sky.

That way it ends on bitter sweet note instead of a sweet and sour one.

As to crawls, it's a bit old but here's a good site hope it helps :

http://www.alienryderflex.com/crawl/ 

 Though you need an apple to do it with that.

Why have Owen Anakin's stepbrother?

If you really want to start from scratch have him Ben's brother.

Ben is already a proven fibber and it made sense in the ROTJ novelisation for Obi-Wan to place Luke with his brother than Anakin's.

All the resentment about damn fool idealistic crusades could be Obi-Wan talking about his relationship with his own sibling and Anakin could have been this Han style great pilot that Owen and Beru used to drink with down the Cantina when he was a hot headed slacker kid (the type of boy he keeps telling Luke off for being). Anakin could have been type of cool brother Owen always wished he had instead of some weirdo hippy mystic ninja.

Owen could be just as mad at Ben for taking away and corrupting his idealised brother as well as not being it himself.

That adds depth to four characters in one swoop.

darthmunky said:

TMBTM said:

I don't like that. I think it's important to show the conflict in him.

Well I understand, but I think there's enough scenes to show the conflict (the few lines that follow that scene for exemple). It is also important to show a darker side of Anakin. Once Obi-Wan is not there, he is not afraid to let his anger free. By the time of episode 3 we can assume that Palpatine already have a strong influence on him.

 

Exactly, that's what I was thinking. He's not afriad to let his anger out when Obi Wan isn't around to tell him otherwise

He seemed to show it a lot more in AOTC but learned to show it less in ROTS (though Obi Wan is clearly uncomfortable with his outburst at not being made a Master).

I was actually rather happy with how Anakin was shown before he bent the knee to Palpatine (though boy does he become a real bell end afterwards). Anakin was far less of a ninny (but enough of a ninny to be consistant with his uber-ninniness in Episode II) and Mace Windu comes across as being as much responsible for what happens as Palpatine. They should have shown a scene where Yoda tells him to back off the boy a bit.

Windu would make a much better Sith apprentice than Dooku, he is such a Victorian dad.

Darth Godbold said:

P.S i think i have achieved a version very close to that of the suggestions in the radical redux thread soon as i have authored the dvd i shall put it on fanedit.org but i dont have a newsgroup subscription

so  guess ill have to open a rapidshare account or something i dunno perhaps ill create a news group account but may need some help with that

also whats is the best way to downmix a 5.1 mix ive done in vegas to stereo for those who do not

have surround capabilities

It's nice to see that thread has been useful.

I suggest you give your edit a name (something that makes it stand out from the others) and put up a torrent of your avi version first.

That way us on here who use torrents can take a peek and keep it open to spread the word and maybe suggest a few helpful adjustments.

If you are already totally happy with it I'm sure there are many people on here who would help with DVD menu's and artwork and even popping it on fanedit if you are finding that difficult.

I really look forward to seeing it.

vaderios said:

Ok ImpFighter :)

 

Also i made this matte in my free time hopefuly to help Ady.

I hope it works

-Angel

A good job at isolating the matte elements, it's just a shame that the original painting doesn't work so well with the live action (there is a similar problem with the Rebel hanger in ROTJ).

Ziz said:

Minor tangent, nothing to do with the visuals, but how do you say "Executor"?  I say it as "Execute-or", as in "capital punishment, killing a prisoner", but a friend of mine says it as "Exec-utor" as in "corporate executive, businessman".

Just curious how many people say it one way vs the other, since it wasn't said on film either way.

It's Exec-cute-or, as in someone who carries out the will of someone else.

Someone who carries out capital punishment is called an executioner (which is arguably a better name for a Star Destroyer).

ImperialFighter said:

vaderios said:

It seems ImpFighter that the Executor has enough big ass to be a bit on screen :)

First i tryied to be closest the the angle/camera/position with the render of this shot:

You can see it,

 

and secondly i find something interesting...( maybe wrong)

it seems that Mr vader isnt standing in one position during the falcon pursuit.

The window that he is talking to luke is the no 3 in this^ image

so i assume that when he sees the falcon enters to hyperspace we see him in the center window, so he was walking during this conv.

 

Fingers crossed :)

 

-Angel

 

vaderios, I've now had a chance to look at your examples above, which have led me to some other things during that sequence, that I didn't realise before....and that I can't believe that I never picked-up on before.  But it's another write-up that's a little complicated to do, so I'll need to come back to it.  I'm not sure that Vader was actually looking out of the window you think he is though, and I'll go into why shortly.

As far as seeing the hull from our vantagepoint inside, I can only say that I still think it's a subjective 'perspective' issue, as far as all the 'window' views we see are concerned.

What I mean is, that for me anyway, the level of all the 'camera angles' show a view that I'm content to believe are correct ones, when seeing 'straight-ahead' from those camera positions, out of what is supposed to be a higher-up 'Bridge' Tower.

(I've posted 2 examples in my post immediately above this one, that give a better indication of just how much of an angle the 'Executor's' hull 'slants downwards', and 'away' from our higher 'Bridge' Tower position).

It's subjective I think, about exactly how you view the 'camera angles' that have been used to shoot the 'interior' shots, and I'm in the 'straight-ahead, not downwards in any way' camp.  In fact, when it comes to some of these trickier-to-judge 'vanishing point' perspectives, there's a case to be made that the 'camera positions' are meant to give the impression of things being seen from a 'slightly lower than straight-ahead' position, even.  That's why I can easily believe that we'd only see the 'starfield'....and none of the ship below us.

But that is only my own way of looking at these 'window' views, and Adywan may be looking at them in a similar way to you.

 

 

The positioning would all depend on which version of the bridge tower was being used. The EU has named different Destroyers with different details as different classes in the fleet but chances are the majority of the variations were just down to the model makers not really expecting us to be going over each shot with a magnifying glass.

Hopefully my luck in posting links has changed for the better and you can all see this comparison of the various bridge pods?

While the bottom one is labelled  Executor Bridge, the one above it has a domed protrusion which matches the window configuration of the interior set/matte.

That would place the control centre just above the centre of the pod.

There is a similar shape on the one labelled as being the Executor but that is in relation to the whole a lot smaller and higher up, which would make sense if the pod is larger than those on conventional Destroyer class ships (though I always assumed they were the same size).

I would love to see this.

Being British I was first introduced to "Journey To The West" via  the Japanese television series "Saiyuki" aka  (when hilariously dubbed by the BBC) "Monkey".

Then I read the book.

So this would be a dream come true to watch.

I helped to put on a puppet show based on Sun Wukong's Hindi counterpart Hanuman's starring epic "Ramayana" (there's a book in that story I could tell you).

I will try and track down and buy a copy first but I have yet to see a torrent up.

Hopefully the two will converge.

Good on you for keeping this film alive.

Moving this idea over from the Animated Star Wars thread, I must confess the idea of either Dooku replacing Qui-Gon or Qui-Gon replacing Dooku as the Seperatist leader is one I really like.

I don't know how it could be done but it makes so much sense that the Qui-Gon would be the father of the Seperatist movement and the Rebellion (I wouldn't like him being a Sith Lord though).

After the success of the Clone Troopers in Episode Two it would make sense for the Seperatists to get their own clone troops or (going by Grevious) cyborg troops.

seven said:

Since we are on the scene of the three SD's colliding, I thought it would a good time to mention these suggestions (if they haven't been mentioned before).

1. While looking out the front windows of the bridge of the Star Destroyer we should (shouldn't we?) see the main hull of the ship (the nose), but we don't. On the Executor as well, we should most definitely see the hull through the windows since it is much longer.

2. In the interior shot of the Star Destroyers Shield collision, near the bottom of the screen one of the computer console set pieces comes away from the wall and is pushed back into place by the extra.

I must confess to not noticing the wonky console before, perhaps rather than trying to stabilise the console it might be more fun to add some sparks and small explosions to create the impression that the vibration that Ady has so skillfully added has caused real damage to the bridge controls.

Ady's attention to detail continues to amaze me and the new captures look truly incredible.

Keep up the good work.

steamboy said:

Hello everybody and greetings from Sweden!

First, let me give a standing ovation to ANH:R and pass on my good wishes to the wonderful outlook of this thrilling project! I discovered ANH:R during the Christmas holidays and became an instant ambassador for your superior version.

My foremost issue with Empire is that lazy “Two fighters against a Star destroyer?” line performed with flawless retardation prior to the Hoth battle. I would love a redub on that one. Either way, looking forward to the finished edit and it will be fun to track your continuing progress.

Best regards!

Hello from me too.

As to the line I actually quite like the delivery, he sounds like a normal bloke (not everyone in the Star Wars universe is going to sound like Sir Alec).

If I were to go back and start from scratch I'd make Anakin about the same age as Obi Wan and a navigator/great pilot on a Spice Freighter (just like Owen Lars claimed he was). I'd give him Leia's dark hair and a bit of Han's cynical edge. He helps Obi Wan during Episode One and sensing the Force is strong in him Obi-Wan takes it upon himself to train him as a Jedi (no Qui-Gon needed).

Luke and Leia's mother would be a Queen about to be married off for political reasons to Bail Organa (and have Luke's blonde hair) and she would be on the wrong side of the conflict. So instead of the petulant child/teen Anakin we'd have a headstrong worldly wise Anakin and a younger woman who is being used as pawn in a political game standing up for herself against the system. Padme is a very silly name that would need to be changed and she would live long enough for Leia to remember her.

It seemed that Lucas was replicating the Luke/Leia thing too closely only with actors who couldn't rise above the limited dialogue.

Both Anakin and Luke say things like "It just isn't fair" or accuse people of holding them back, both Padme and Leia are Senators and leaders but also capable fighters in their own right but where Mark and Carrie pull it off Hayden/Jake and Natalie don't.

The one thing I did love about the prequels was the idea of the main villain working both sides of a conflict to a secret third agenda that should stay but I'd have had it so he didn't really care which side won as either way Palpatine would be the ultimate victor.

He seems to be the same with the Luke/Vader duel in Jedi, either Luke kills his Vader and he gets a new apprentice or Vader kills Luke and sinks deeper into the dark side and kills his only chance of removing Palpatine from his throne.

One idea that popped into my mind over my cornflakes is...remember when the Clone Wars were first mentioned in ANH?

It was a lovely little throwaway line which expanded the canvas of the story back and gave the saga more depth, the prequels don't have much of that, a few more lines (perhaps by alien senators or Jedi which could be added via subtitles as in the MagnoliaFan edits) could flesh out the Sith/Jedi conflict or the Naboo/Trade Federation dispute.

And it's Clone Wars isn't it? Not The Clone War.

The Naboo crisis doesn't involve the Clonetroopers (officially they hadn't been invented yet) it might be fun if the Gungans/Naboo were helped by a mysterious uninvited, shadowy third party, a reveal in Episode 2 could expose the secret that the Clonetrooper concept was being tested even back then ( a small team lead by Fett could be aiding the Naboo from behind the scenes with their knowledge... they do seem to get into that palace a little too easy for my liking).

The order for the production of the Clone army came around the same time as Naboo crisis so it would make sense that Sidious would want to test both sets of his troops for the more major seperatist war and the rise of the Empire.

The added mystery would counter some of the silly antics of the Gungans (even after the worst of them have been trimmed out).

adywan said:

i think i'd probably stick with using Star Wars music for the trailer. But that's a few months away yet. Interesting idea about using the announcer from the SE trailers. I may just recreate that trailer once Jedi is up and running

I've just finished the whole Bespin landing platform scene and i'm really please with how its turned out. I'm dying to post a cip.

there is something i do need a little help with though. The scene where they walk down the steps (straight after they leave the landing platform) and through the corridor, for the SE they replaced the window at the end of the hallway with a new outside matte, but forgot to change it for every other shot. I have tried using the GOUT to replace the new matte to restore it to its pre-SE state. the problem is that there is so much wobble on the GOUT video that i can't use it. I have seen in the GOUT image stabilisation thread about running a script in avisynth but i really don't know where to start with that program would anyone be able to use that script to stabilise just that scene? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I suppose there isn't a chance of replacing the window with a new window, a strong window, one that will not let our window mismatching tragedy continue?

I loved the idea of the exterior view of the rising lift but even when I first saw it I noticed it missing from one shot to another.

All this talk of a SE style trailer has me wondering if anyone has seen any Adywan footage projected?

It would be nice to see all that hard work on a big screen.

mrbenja0618 said:

You know... I'm sure this is crazy; but we have some freakishly awesome editors on here.... Why couldn't we re-shoot the prequels... I know how to shoot; and have the equipment... Someone has to know how to do some CG work... I know how to do green screen keying... We have all the music we could ever need.

 

I'm SURE this would never happen; but if some of us worked together on different aspects, I actually do believe it could happen.

 

Crazy dreams, I know... But how much fun would that be???

An ambitious scheme to be sure but it's not entirely impossible, (just look at how amazing some fan films look) perhaps you should move this topic over to the Radical Redux thread as starting from scratch is as about as radical as radical can be. It would be much easier to fill in the continuity holes if a new story avoided them entirely and this thread is really for recommending existing edits.

ImperialFighter said:

Bingowings, I take it you know that I am not referring to the shot you've shown, but to the 'flatness' that seems to come across in the previous shot, compared to this one.

I remembered that previous posts refered to the approach shot but I assumed that, seeing as the comments I replied to were illustrated with those shot comparision captures, it was the landing sequence that was under discussion at that point.

If anything the effects I described in the newer landing shot make the Falcon look fatter and shorter which might go some way to explain why in comparison it looks thinner and longer in the approach.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

IMPERIAL COMMANDER: "Lord Vader, we can't board the Rebel ship yet, The LSO haven't started up the Imperial March."

DARTH VADER: "Williams, just play that boring Imperial Motif, the Sith have no need for grand entrances."

JOHN WILLIAMS: "Tell that to the designer of that enormous white triangle you guys came in on."

FAN NERD: "It's not white it's very light grey."

FAN EDITOR: "Not when I'm through with it."

THAT is funny!

I'd like to see a better love story in AOTC. Here's a rough version I made that I think works pretty well...

http://rapidshare.com/files/183848266/LoveStory_01.avi.html

I wanted to make it so Padme falls for Anakin more easily and naturally. First, I cut the politics. Everyone else tends to leave this in their edit. Not sure why. I never got the impression that Vader cared much about politics. I never really liked these "flashes" of the darkside in AOTC anyway. I cut the dinner scene. Anakin saying "grumpy" is terrible. I tried to get to the meat of the confession scene where Anakin declares his love for Padme and cut all of the cringe inducing dialogue along the way.

Vader certainly does care about politics, he goes to great pains to avoid any embarrasment for the Emperor in the Senate when Leia's ship is captured in ANH (remember the politics of the Empire are a lot more simple than in the Republic and Anakin's comments foreshadow this).

ImperialFighter said:

 

I almost forgot, as far as the SE shot of the Falcon approaching the platform, and slowing down as it is about to land on it (in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better.

 

The true shape of the Falcon is slightly camouflaged by the new framing elements and uniform colour tint.

In the original 1980 version the ship's silhouette is not cluttered by the added buildings in the new version and the contrasting cylan/green tones have been largely over written with the intense orangey/peach tones that have been added to the 2004 version.

vbangle said:

Fuck the "forshadowing" idea Adywan.....just do what yoou do best. :)

 

I think we all want Adywan to do what he wants to a degree he is satisfied with but atmosphere is part of that.

If he feels that the quietness in that scene is deliberate and not down to the limitations of the day (and I'm not sure either way) it makes sense to keep the scene quiet (just better looking), if he feels it was just down to the what could be done in 1980 then he definately can do what he wants with the "forshadowing" idea. It's his project and I was merely pointing out possible nuances to the scene which he is probably aware of already.

Monroville said:

adywan said:

Funnily enough that's exactly what i've been working on. Here they are, although not yet quite finished:

 

You may want to play with/consider blurring the buildings more and more as they recede into the background due to atmospheric effects (like when you look at a city from far away and it has an almost transparent bluish look).  Maybe that was one of the problems with the city effects of the prequels was that everything in foreground to background looked sharp, when you would have focal issues and atmospheric effects that could have made the scenes more realistic.

Things like the monorails and air traffic could be nice visually, but at the same time the focus should be on the main action, not the stuff moving in the background.

I would nix the trains, but maybe put those slow pulsing red lights that buildings here have on the top (for airplanes at night) and have one or two cloud cars VERY far in the distance... maybe just reduced to a black dot with running lights.  Maybe something enough to bring the city to life (like maybe the addition of audio effects to indicate a busy city behind and underneath them) but not enough to pull away from what we are supposed to be paying attention to.

Some of those ideas I'm very keen on but one of the things I remember from seeing the film all those years ago was the feeling of dread that such a huge city being so quiet instilled in me at the time (I'm not sure if that was a deliberate directing decision or just down to not having enough money to bring the place to life back in 1980).

It foreshadowed that something wasn't right about the place (with the Imperials kicking around it would make sense for Lando to try and keep as many people away from danger as possible without looking like he was...you know, administrate casual).

The daytime scenes kind of blew that out of the water but the quiet did set a tone which was backed up by Leia's apprehensions.

After taking a careful look at The Heretic there is virtually nothing (minus a few shots here and there) that I can use (locusts mostly) so there will be no Max Von Sydow in this version, sadly.

I'm basically stuck with Dominion and The Beginning to work from.

I need to get hold of some good quality hyena in action footage to cast out those hideous CGI creations in both versions.

I'm starting the process of breaking down both films into comparable chunks.

Dominion is going to be my main canvas with footage from the other film being added where it fits better.

Ady for someone who said that ESB:R was going to be a lot less work than your other Revisited projects you really do seem to be putting a tonne of work into this one (not that I'm complaining).

Great stuff.