Bingowings

mrbenja0618 said:

I see what you're saying; but I don't know how well that would play. I actually think we might be overcomplicating a Star Wars movie.  But maybe I'm wrong. I'm up to seeing how it plays out.

Perhaps it's my grasp of the English language that is at fault (I've only been speaking and writing in it for 37 years or so).

There is a group being used by Palpatine to orchestrate his schemes, pirates basically.

Their leaders all go by the Nom de guerre of Darth Vader and when one dies the new leader wears the armour and the name but we don't know that at first as far as we know in the first few films there is one and only one Darth Vader and he is obviously not Anakin Skywalker (shades of "Kagemusha" here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagemusha

These leaders all wear the same armour and mask and nobody knows who under the mask they just know that these pirates are Darth Vader's men and the Jedi are trying to track them down but Obi-Wan has (through the force) discovered it's a former pupil of his (but he doesn't know which one).

At the end of Episode II Anakin is captured by the pirates and Obi-Wan fears he will be killed and naturally wants to save him but unlike Luke he listens to Yoda and doesn't go after him.

Vader and Obi-Wan meet and Obi-Wan learns the truth (though he doesn't fully reveal it) that all the time he was sensing the future, Anakin has become the new Darth Vader. They fight (with Anakin wearing the Vader armour) and he is injured causing him to have to wear the breath screen.

It shouldn't be too difficult to explain the concept over three films, the Padme/decoy thing came across as overly simplistic and that was in just one film. A similar idea appeared in "The Princess Bride" and that was just one book/movie : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts

It's the only way I can think of keeping Vader a secret but still have the iconic duel.

It also plays into that element of Greek tragedy where the ability to see the future is a curse, which causes the very thing you are trying to avoid.

That way the burning of Vader's armour in ROTJ has a double meaning, on one hand he is freeing Anakin from the Vader persona but also he could inherit the name (because he was the cause of the previous Vader's death) but rejects it thus ending the title forever.

doubleofive said:

I love the idea of the Executor hitting an Imperial-class Star Destroyer on its way down or it breaking into pieces a la the Pegusus destruction linked above.

 It would also be nice to see the impact up close and from behind (f'nah, f'nah).

Please excuse the crudity of this illustration :

mrbenja0618 said:

But why have a character who is already named Darth Vader?

 Darth Vader is just a name for the leader of the pirates, he wears armour and a mask (but no breath screen) so no one has ever seen his face (every time one of their leaders dies they put the suit on someone else) that way when Anakin is captured in episode II the first time audience can assume he is dead and that in Episode III he is fighting the same Darth Vader in the other episodes (when in fact he's fighting Anakin in the armour).

The identity of this last Vader is not revealed until ESB.

In this prequel trilogy Obi-Wan's connection with finding a Vader is made out to be personal but the full nature is never revealed so when he decribes him as a former pupil (and he has had others) in ANH that (and the apparent death of Anakin) would seem to be the reveal as to why Obi-Wan took the conflict between them so personally.

TMBTM said:

I can't quite see the point of the shot of the bigger fish eating the big fish staying in (it sees to be setting up a bit of danger for latter which doesn't actually happen).

Sure the scene is a bit silly and useless, but I like Qui-Gon saying, "there's always a bigger fish", it always makes think of Palpatine and rings a bell to the title of the movie.

 I was saying that in the context of Darth Godbold's edit (he takes out most of the Bongo scenes but keeps the long necked fish chomping on the other fish only without it attacking the ship).

TMBTM said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan

Lol, I had the exact same idea last night for the opening scene.

 Well there you go, it's the future you see.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

 

Good idea but I still think Anakin should be young, like a teenager. Maybe Owen is showing him the ropes in the spice freighter or something? Second, I don't like the idea that Tatooine is Obi-Wan's home planet.

Owen is a moisture farmer from Tatooine and has been since he was very young, Anakin should be in his late teens early twenties (a little bit younger than Ben who is in his mid-thirties Just enough for him to look up to him). Obi-Wan hated growing up on Tatooine (their father dragged them there as part a brief Rebublican colonial expansion that came to nothing) and his relationship with his brother is very hostile (he sees the Jedi as his family and Coruscant as his home) but Anakin enjoys visiting it and his sister (they come from somewhere else) but he only drops by once in a while (which is usually the high point of the Lars family year).

Darth Godbold said:

perhaps you can let me know which cuts hang so i can try to fix them also

im sure i can take the monster eating the monster out

 

but jar jar mentions that planet core is bad summin

so i figured leave it in?

Slumberland and others get around this by removing all mention of the planet core.

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

I had another brainwave when it comes to Threepio.

In TPM we see TC-14 on the Trade Federation Ship.

If she was recoloured gold and given some of Anthony Daniels lines from the prequels or the Radio Drama you could create a different arc for him.

He starts off as a Trade Federation protocol droid, he is used as their translator (because they no longer speak Engrish... allowing for Magnoliafan style subtitles to make them into darker characters) he is given orders to encourage the Queen to sign the treaty and make sure that no harm comes to her until she does, he takes his duties so literally that he ends up being dragged onto the Queen's ship when she escapes.

True he would still need to be put into some of the footage but seeing as he never leaves the ship on Tatooine he would be in TPM and meet Artoo but not meet Owen.

At the end of TPM the Viceroy declares that it's too late to sign the treaty and because his primary mission no longer achievable Threepio continues to serve the Queen and try to ensure her safety.

He could be in the background during the Coruscant scenes in Episode II (but stay behind on Coruscant with her decoy so not lose his head on Geonosis) and encourage her to return to Naboo with Anakin, and he would be in the birth of the rebellion scenes when they are put back into ROTS.

Bail wipes his memory because he doesn't trust him (because of his past and because he has been around during the planning stages of the Rebellion).

That way he's in all of them and it sets up the droids are slaves theme continued in the OT.

Darth Godbold said:

 

The Handmaiden And The Slave Boy i like maybe i will change the score to cheesy 70's porno music

With that one I was thinking more along the lines of "The Thief And The Cobbler" but I see your point.

As to the non-dubbing route, one of the best example I've seen recently are the Slumberland Edits.

Jar-Jar is still Jar-Jar (not a foul mouthed wise cracker or a Jedi) but he actually made me laugh for the first time in almost a decade.

I still think there is a really good hybrid of all the different edits already done to be made.

I've yours up to breaking the blockade and heading for Tatooine.

Some of the sound editing is similar to Slumberland (though he manages to make the Gungans even less annoying), there are a few breaks which hang in the air a bit (almost like the commercials are about to kick in) and there is a very uncomfortable cut during the blockade sequence while R2 is fixing the hyperdrive. I can't quite see the point of the shot of the bigger fish eating the big fish staying in (it sees to be setting up a bit of danger for latter which doesn't actually happen).

But overall for a first go it's looking fine.

ChainsawAsh said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

Breathe, ChainsawAsh, It's all good.  It may just take some time to get everyone on the same page.  Patience is a virtue.  I'm with ya, man.  Like you and Erik said, if we pay too much attention to the prequels or the EU or the old scripts we have already blown the CONCEPT we were going for.  A few pages back I posted THE FACTS as SHOWN in the OT.  Those are really the ONLY things we need to stick to.  As someone previously said, this PT should be exciting whether you watch it 4-6, 1-3 or 1-6.  If we only stick to the facts, it will make the whole project more exciting for the viewer, because they won't know what to expect.

Erik... I like some of your ideas, but i don't think we have the time to spend an entire movie on just Obiwan's development.  AND I think we really need to try to make Yoda a PRESENCE without being PRESENT.  He should be built up as being, frankly, the most powerful Jedi, but not seen on screen to make his appearance in ESB that much more of a surprise.  Luke was surprised...after all the build up, so should we.

Still curious about people's ideas for the wars.

Sorry if I came across as a jerk in my last post, I really didn't mean to.  I have a very set idea of what I'd like this to be, but it's difficult for me to communicate that in words since it's not fully-formulated in my head, either.

That concept art is pretty interesting.  We should take a look at some OT-era unused McQuarrie art, too - he had some good stuff that wasn't used if I recall.

BTW, my real name is Erik, so if I get mixed up and think you're talking to me when you're talking to Erikstormtrooper, I apologize in advance.  It's already starting to get confusing to me.

It depends on what you want to do with these prequels.

I first watched ANH back in 1977 when it plain old STAR WARS and it blew me away, I read every bit of the background story that turned up in magazines and books, and this largely fuled my expectations of what the prequels were to be like.

Then came TPM and not only was it a not very good film but it largely ignored all the little titbits of the story that we were fed for the past twenty odd years.

This is why I'm so protective of the background elements that matter most (Obi Wan is the cause of Vader's need of a breath screen, Vader is THE Dark Lord Of The Sith, Boba Fett is somehow connected to the Shocktroopers of the Clone Wars which fought against the Jedi. Leia was old enough to remember her real mother before she died).

There is still a lot of breathing space between those points but to ignore them is (in my opinion) making much the same mistakes that Lucas made.

It's like growing up an orphan and wishing you knew your father only to find out the man you thought had killed him was him.

ChainsawAsh said:

Exactly, that was my thought - they never say that Obi-Wan was the one that caused it.  It was in the ROTJ novelization IIRC, but never on screen in the OT.

I think we can safely forget everything that wasn't shown on-screen in ANH, ESB and ROTJ when planning for this (unless we are indeed going to keep some of Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy ideas, like the clones, which I think is a great idea).

Once again it's so entrenched in Star Wars lore that to change it would be like making Chewie an Ewok who fell into a chewing gum machine.

Darth Godbold said:

im trying to think of a title

so i can make a new crawl

for my edit  so far i have

 

EPISODE I

 

EMERGENCE OF THE SITH

SHADOWS OF THE JEDI

PHANTOM OF DARKNESS

 

please feel free to add some

and i also need some new opening text for my crawl

 

The Handmaiden And The Slave Boy

A Boy, A Girl And A Universe

Something Allusive

The Shadow Falls

Master And Apprentice

Enter The Bureaucrats

Capture The Queen

Only Joking (or am I)?

vaderios said:

The whole smashing idea of executor hits an other capital shit and all the remain pieces hit DS sounds cool!

Good idea!

-Angel

It might add a certain something if it was an iconic ship ramming into it (perhaps the medical frigate or the blockade runner in a neat reversal of the opening of ANH)

It would also be cool if a conventional Star Destroyer smacked into into it too.

That would be really epic!

astromech said:

Bingowings said:

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

 

I think that was one of my suggestions that saw Anakin in disguise as a Jedi vigilante...anyway, I was commenting on how far off the path things were going with the whole Anakin-Vader and use of Dark powers adding to his ailments. There are some things which are fixed and we won't be able to change them, but we can change aspects of how things happen and make them grander - so long as they eventually fit well together.

On a slightly different note, a brand new Samurai suit was commissioned for the first time in decades to commemorate Darth Vader and his Samuari origins during last year's 'celebrations': http://toybotstudios.blogspot.com/2007/06/darth-vader-samurai-armor.html

 

Oh I love it!

vaderios said:

First I wanted to add a more intense to Executor's fall in to the death star for the ROTJ:R

In the first pic I erase the death star surface so the executor take a bigger angle and speed.

Also I chanced the light direction to match with the follow shot.

In the second pic you can see that I altered the surface with an incomplete one and the ship is going little deeper in the star.

Plus some other action in the bg

3d pic, I thought after a massive ship fall into the death star a cool thing is a big piece to fly apart (like in TPM,trade federation battleship)so the damage will be more fatal ( one SSD down - agood hit to DS)

 

thats for now.

These are my ideas for ROTJ for the executor fall

 

later

 

-Angel

Lovely images.

I thought it would make sense that after the bridge pod is destroyed (and the whole thing should be destroyed) it smashed into another capital ship which sent it crashing into the Death Star.

For nuGalactica fans something like the destruction of The Pegasus : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwF67bhdXfk

It seemed to me that a ship that size would need more of a kick to send it tumbling.

The image of the blast would be a great alternative angle of the Death Star's actual destruction.

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

 

 

 I don't think the word "Sith" should ever be uttered in the PT. It's so vaugley defined in the Star Wars Universe and I think it would confuse anyone who saw the PT and thinks sith automatically equals evil jedi. I think the clones could be just formed from mandalorian hosts (various, explaining the different height stormtroopers) which where picked for the strength and ability. If we want to give Boba a backstory he could essentially be a "glitched" clone who develops an unusual cunning and  will of his own and breaks away from the Republic after training, becomes a bounty hunter and aids the Seperatists/Confederacy/Bad guys/whatever for a quick buck. We still would never see Boba as a kid, we would never se his "father" and we would never see him "unmasked" but we would still give the popular character a backstory and potray him with respect to his portrayal in ESB.

Darth Vader, Dark Lord Of The Sith is such an entrenched part of the Star Wars universe that not addressing it is utterly bonkers, it's like not doing the Clone Wars at all, everyone has heard the term and it deserves a better explanation than a couple of bad guys with red light sabres.

Palpatine and Coruscant aren't mentioned by name until the PT and Boba Fett (in one line) and Anakin only get a name check in ROTJ, but they are major parts of Star Wars lore.

The same goes for Dark Lord Of The Sith, if he's Dark Lord of it we need to know who or what it is and why he's it's/their Dark Lord.

It doesn't make much sense having the Emperor also a Sith Lord as it turns the Empire into a rather small closed shop.

I like the idea of there being thousands of ambitious creatures like Vader, trying to climb up the greasy pole only Vader is the best.

So Darth Vader Dark Lord Of The Sith shouldn't be too special, he's a warlord of a particular group but with a reputation which strikes fear in people (like Blackbeard: The Pirate King).

The idea of Sith Pirates comes from an earlier draught script : "Led by a young Padawan named Darklighter, who had succumbed to the temptations of the dark side, the evil Sith pirates became the Emperor's bodyguards and hunted down the remaining Jedi." (Star Wars.com) and the term was passed down through books and magazines released during the OT era.

Vader clearly isn't Boba Fett's master so the Mandalorians should remain as a race of skilled bounty hunters with a strict honour code (in keeping with Feudal Japanese feel of much of the OT).

I can't imagine them volunteering to be the template for a clone army it would be like prostitution.

Should they be forced into being cloned I could imagine them helping to fight against the force that committed such a dishonourable violation (Clone War One perhaps?).

As for the Emperor himself couldn't he just look that way in ROTJ because he's an alien who just looks that way anyway?

It makes a heck of a lot more sense than having him look like a human and figure out a way he can turn that way at the last minute.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Wow...I go to work for a few hours and a whole page moves on without me.

I agree with Octorox for the familial relationships.  Let's not make any more people related than we need.  It makes the whole galaxy too small.  I was blown away by the idea of Owen as brother-in-law because it was SO simple but it never occured to me and opens up many story telling possibilities.  I think if Owen and Obiwan were brother's it would have come up at SOME point in the OT.  Obiwan would have at LEAST been distraught at Owen's death.  Let's just keep it simple (with a twist).

ChainsawAsh about diving into Ep1, be careful that we don't jump the gun either.  We need to define MANY things about the structure and charcter archs before we start ANY script.  Otherwise we'll end up in the same hole I think Lucas got himself into.  I think he started kind of where we are...All kinds of ideas!  Then he built his SAGA one movie at a time, BUT he made the mistake of saying it was a trilogy so he had to wrap up his ideas in ROTJ, which I thought was really rushed.  Think of how cool it would have been if Luke had killed Vader in Ep6 and then "the other" that Yoda spoke of could have helped redeem him in Ep7.  Wouldn't it have heen cool if that "other" were not some SURPRISE sister but the one person who never believed in the force anyway...Han.  I always felt that they never knew what to do with him in ROTJ anyway.  He wasn't really a scoudrel so they tried to play up him being jealous about Luke and Liea's new found closeness.  So years later, Lucas decides to create the prequels, and they suddenly turn the SAGA from the adventures of Luke Skywalker into the fall and redemption of Vader.  I wonder if he originally intended the fall to be Luke but lost his chance because he ran out of time in the OT.  So lets not rush anything.  We've only been at this for about a week.  The Ep1 can still be stand alone, but we need to know where he are headed, lest we write ourselves into a corner and run out of time as well.

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

At what point does Luke seem distraught over the death of Owen and Beru? He hurries back, he calls out to them and then he is silent, if anything Ben shows more emotion over their deaths and he is forewarned by the Force. The inclusion of the revelation that he was Owen's brother was in the novelisation which suggests to me it may have been in some form of script treatment at some stage (as deleted scenes have got into the novelisations in the past) and it makes more sense hiding Luke with a brother he doesn't get on with than the step-brother of the father he's trying to hide him from.

OzoneSherrif said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent. The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't. Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

 

 

I liked the irony of it. As if it's an ability he shouldn't even wield, since if deflected right back it's extremely poisonous. They can't take a dose of their own medicine you know.

 

It makes you wonder why Yoda didn't reflect it into Dooku's face (thus saving George a fortune paying Christopher Lee to turn up for his cut and paste session in ROTS), or better still deflect it even more in Palps already ugly mug and turn him into a raisin (are raisins more wrinkly than prunes?).

The Golden Idol said:

Why do you guys want Lando to die? :(

That's really a subject for the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread and those who fancy it have really gone into it in detail over there.

Darth Godbold said:

thats not actually what im gonna call it...

maybe some one can help me out, work together on a title and crawl maybe.

eventually i will need a cover for the dvd aswell.

 

but first give it a view and let me know what you guys think

i cant say why my version stands out id say its like phantom editors version

with a few changes of my own it runs about 5 mins shorter than his version

i have also completely removed any mention of midichlorians and now anakin doesnt accidently

blow up the droid control ship i also removed a scene with his mother and put in part of a deleted scene theres a few changes to audio aswell no droids speak except when adressing a human or alien.

 

what i want to do is somehow darken the emporers hologram so its less obvious

that it is palpatine.

I don't mean to tread on your toes and I'm still downloading it but this sort of edit has been done many times before Slumberland/ADM/MagnoliaFan and TPE all have some if not all of what you describe plus had a different angle to add.

The Radical Redux Thread ideas are a bit more...radical than even that, turning Naboo into Alderaan for example completely changes the prequels.

Don't worry I'm still going to watch it but take a look out there and see what the other editors have been up to.

The Phantom Menace must be the most edited film out there for yours to stand out it has to do something that hasn't already done or do those things in ways which are much better than the people who have already attempted them.

Off the top of my head MagnoliaFan already darkened the hologram for his Balance Of The Force, if you like the way he did that I'm sure if you gave him credit for his work you could pinch that element of his edit.

After all we are all tinkering with George Lucas' work (something he does himself).

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

Darth Godbold said:

oh and i am seeding so dont worry

 Any pointers to what we should expect, how is it different?

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

 

How is he a cousin?

A cousin is the child of the sibling of one of your parents, not the sibling of the spouse of one of your parent's siblings.

 

 

Well cousin is loosely defined. There are second and third cousins and there can be generational gaps between cousins...I generally call anyone I can't place a name on a cousin. For all intensive purposes it really doesn't matter, I just don't think Luke and Obi-wan should be related.

 

first cousin once removed 1 a child of one's first cousin. 2 one's parent's first cousin.
first cousin twice removed 1 a grandchild of one's first cousin. 2 one's grandparent's first cousin.
second cousin a child of one's parent's first cousin.
second cousin once removed 1 a child of one's second cousin. 2 one's parent's second cousin.
third cousin a child of one's parent's second cousin.

So in that scenerio Ben and Luke aren't related in any way I can define (is there a genealogist in the room?).

Luke could call him an honourary uncle I suppose but he could do that anyway, it's certainly less odd than having a lady Luke was snogging for two movies turn out to be his sister just to try and trump the Vader being Luke's dad thing in the previous episode and close the Han/Leia/Luke love triangle.