Bingowings

JasonN said:

colubra09 said:

The problem is, no matter how good the ideas, unless fan editors start to raid movie studios for all those deleted scenes there won't be enough material to reshape a story, and then it takes a pro like Adywan to make it into something to rival the official director's cut.

Even if there are numerous deleted scenes, that doesn't mean there will be enough footage to tell a better story or that those scenes are an improvement to the story - it all depends on the decisions of the filmmakers/studio and what they choose to film/edit/CG/etc in the first place. I also don't understand why you'd bring up an edit/s needing to be as good as an "official director's cut" since being a DC is no indication that the film will be better (hell, you could argue that Lucas's 2004 DVD release of SW was his "director's cut"...)

The reason we are here is because sometimes a director, editor or studio exec can be so on top of a project they can't see the forest for the trees (or the planks in the case of some actor performances).

The Phantom Editor showed that even without access to the cutting room floor it is possible to improve a scene by cutting even more (look at his take on Anakin's Force test scene) and some of the deleted material that is available does arguably work better than some of the material that wasn't deleted (a prime example being the Mace/Obi Wan conversation scene which was deleted from AOTC vs the Mace/Obi-Wan/floating Yoda scene that wasn't).

So even without Adywan's Adobe skills it is possible to work wonders with what is already to hand.

If you watch Slumberland's take on the Gungan scenes in TPM, Jar-Jar is still Jar-Jar, Boss Nass is still Boss Nass (no re-dubs or subtitles) but they work as designed much better (I wrote this elsewhere on here Jar-Jar actually made me laugh for the first time in a decade thanks to having the majority of his silly scenes removed, it improved the slap-schtick timing).

Josh said:

vaderios said:

professa said:

this is what i see when i look at the slug

i say dump it and go with the alien chestburster mouth if possible

 

Awesome!!! Easter egg In dvd9?

-Angel

 

 

 What, I don't see anything different per say ;]

Or perhaps...

I was turned onto the Slumberland edits via these forums and though they share some points of similarity with other edits they are certainly worth a watch in their own right.

One line that seems to carry a lot of importance in ESB but doesn't really feature elsewhere is Yoda's lesson of "Do or do not, there is no try".

It would be good if we saw the failures of Ben, Anakin, the Jedi, the Republic etc coming from them trying and failing and the successes of Palpatine, Vader, etc coming from them doing without trying.

Ben tries to teach Anakin, Anakin tries to be a Jedi, the Jedi try to defend a Republic trying to maintain justice and control in the galaxy but they lack faith in their abilities that is why they fail.

Once Palpatine is on top he becomes complacent (his overconfidence is his weakness) and Vader returns to a position of doubting if he could ever overthrow his master ( "You don't know the power of the darkside I must obey my Master") they both stop doing and start trying to overcome the Rebellion that is why they fail and the Alliance ultimately win.

Even Luke almost fails because he tries to turn his father back to the lightside instead of just doing it.

vaderios said:

Vader is like the Thief near Jesus Crucifixion. He made a lot in his past life but always at the end when the forgiveness is coming Mr V is finally redeemed and finally free from Palpatine's leash.

-Angel

 

There's the problem, he makes a sacrifice of sorts (he knows that Palpatine will not die without a fight so he will almost certainly not survive killing him saving Luke) but he knows also that he won't survive long anyway.

Luke just bested him in a duel and if Leia became a Jedi or a Sith she would either do the same or die trying (any way other than killing the Emperor, Palpatine would win).

So his motives are not clearly altruistic and his timing comes across as more out of desperation than out of a genuine realisation of the wrongs he needs to redeem.

If we saw him plotting against the Emperor earlier he would still have a conflict between his Sith urge to kill his master and his Jedi urge to destroy the Sith but he would be a little more active about it and not such a weed.

Vader is such a strong character in ESB but in ROTJ he comes across as inert.

bkev said:

I think it's time for me to put in an opinion on things being suggested here.  This is not a "LET'S DO IT BECAUSE WE CAN!" edit.  At least, SW:R didn't seem to be.  Right now, a lot of the suggestions given are leading down that road.  Not saying you shouldn't give ideas, but ESB is fine as it is.

-bkev, the watcher

 

I think the point of Ady's projects are that they are  "LET HIM DO WHAT HE THINKS IMPROVES THINGS!" edits.

All we are doing is making suggestions.

If ESB is as fine as you say it is what would be the point of doing it at all?

ESB is the best of the six films so far and ESB:R (or any other fan edit) will not remove the other versions from history (George's attempts to do that with his re-edits is what prompted the creation of this board in the first place) but there is room for improvement and with this project Adywan has the final say as to what he wants to and doesn't want to do with it.

This would be a radical change but considering all the hideous things that Anakin/Vader has done (killing innocent children, aiding the destruction of whole worlds, trying to kill his wife, killing his best friend etc, etc) was throwing Palpatine down a pit enough ro redeem him?

It would be interesting if throughout Jedi we saw Vader actually helping the Rebels in someway but trying to keep it secret from Palpatine.

Palpatine knows this and this gives the Emperor added motive for replacing Vader with Luke.

If Vader gave the plans to the Rebels, and was actually sabotaging the Death Star construction (while pushing for it’s completion).

There is some of this thinking in the Force Unleashed storyline with Vader helping set up the Alliance to act as flypaper for dissenters.

Part of this could be that reasoned that as a Sith apprentice his time is largely up, he knows what Palpatine did to Dooku, he knows that given the chance Palpatine would replace Vader with a younger stronger apprentice if he can’t get there first.

Letting the Rebels know where the Emperor is going to be (he could even suggest this to him) and giving them the chance to kill him would help him get into a position where he would be the Master and Luke could be convinced that he wasn’t all that bad and being a Sith Lord could have real benefits for restoring the Republic.

But deep down the Anakin in Vader wants to do the right thing and killing Palpatine is the final act of a redemption that has been built up in hidden acts of his own inner rebellion.

In Jedi as it stands we see Vader ponder and procrastinate Luke’s appeals to his father’s light side, which weakens the way we see him.

Vader is a man of action if he was seriously thinking that the moment was coming to make a move against the Emperor it would strengthen his role if we saw him being a bit more proactive about it. That way his silence would be seen as him keeping quiet about the plans he has already in place instead of just moping.

Darth Maul doing Darth Vader you have to smile out loud.

Kurgan said:

The space slug looks fine. Why change it? It's a fantastic creature that makes absolutely no sense in real life, so if we were going for strict realism there would be no creature, period. Delete the whole scene and just say they flew out of a normal asteroid.

The only part that needs fixing are the bad matte lines on the teeth in those last shots (and maybe that strange blue effect that everyone mentioned that's now been removed). Everybody knows it's a monster mouth except Leia, so what?

If you really want to improve the scene, turn it into one of the sand worms from Dune, and insert the line where Dr. Kynes is talking about blessing the Maker and his water. ;)

This reminds me of a discussion that bounced around some months back (the nature of which is not for this place).

Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's space fantasy, it's Sinbad with space ships.

While a creature like the space slug might exist out there somewhere it wouldn't look like that and would possibly feed off chemical deposits found in the asteroid field and resemble a marine filter feeder, the teeth make no scientific sense at all but that's ok because it doesn't have to be a scientifically viable creature, it's fantasy.

But for a fantasy story to work it has to make sense within the fantasy realm that the story is set in.

Han flies through the open mouth and initially believes it to be a cave entrance, Leia is still convinced it's a cave when the mouth is shutting and it makes sense to make the creature look more of a realistic (in a fantastic sense) threat.

So changing the mouth to look more like the sort of thing that could be mistaken for a cave and making the creature look more convincingly scary makes sense.

But it is up to Adywan if he wants to do that in his edit.

RoccondilRinon said:

rcb said:i came across somehting thats been bugging me for awhile. after luke lands on daghobah, and sets up camp. he says, "There's something familiar about this place." wat the heck does he mean? did he see it in a vision or did obi-wan take him there for a visit when he was a youngleen? i never figured that out. so can we lose that line?

 

I believe in a (very) early draft of the prequels, the Skywalker twins were supposed to be born on Dagobah. I don't have a particular problem with the line, though.

This is brought over from the ESB:R thread.

The moment I read this it made a lot of sense to me.

Rather than being dropped off in an escape pod Yoda is taken to Dagobah in the Tantive IV.

It lands on Dagobah and Padme has the twins there.

That way Yoda gets to his final destination, Luke's line gets an explanation and most of the birth scene can be kept as the hospital set matches much of the look of the Tantive.

The Golden Idol said:

AxiaEuxine said:

vaderios said:

Terror damn it :P no more Movies for children

-Angel

 

 That idea is awesome, should definitely do that

 

 Jeez, WTF is that?!

Howz about these gnashers?

I think it's important that nobody feels that their ideas have been shot down or killed off.

Ulitimately if this thread is to deliver anything in the form of an animated alternative to the official prequels someone is going to have to start doing the hard work of animating it and that person will call the shots when it comes to story elements.

It's possible that this thread might create more than one set of stories too.

If anyone feels that their vision of where this idea may go is lost in discussion take away what you do like and write it up.

Keep looking at this thread for other ideas which ring your bell and when you are satisfied start recruiting technical staff.

Ideas like these are like getting free toys and everyday someone posts is Christmas day.

When it comes to making something, then it will be hard work but viewing the final results (be they one project or half a dozen) will be like every Christmas coming at once.

So don't lose heart or kick down anyone elses input.

Have fun and keep the ideas flowing even if they don't match up yet.

My only advice would be to watch as many other edits as possible and make an edit that takes from the best of what has already been done, also check out the various threads about prequel edits and see if any of the ideas click with you and try them out.

GoldStone9 said:

LOL, really? Still, looks rather odd. Nevermind then....

He certainly sounds odd to British ears, did the casting crew drag him out of a pub in Dagenham?

Further the earlier discussion about the Sith Pirates, it could just be a matter of perspective too.

There is a group that is engaged in combat with ships and to some they are seen as pirates to others they may be seen as a legitimate military force (just as some groups are labelled terrorists or freedom fighters in the news today depending on which part of the world you watch it from). The Jedi may be viewed in the same manner.

As for Anakin's fall it could be more like Kagemusa, Anakin kills the previous Darth Vader and adopts the role with good intentions (using them as a force of good) but the power goes to his head, the role possesses him until he becomes the person he killed.

This could be hinted at by having Anakin discuss the possibilty of using them as a positive force before he vanishes and is presumed dead.

 Another character which could give an interesting alternate origin of Anakin could be Kasper Hauser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspar_Hauser

A boy with no past who has been locked away for all his life and is sent to Obi-Wan to be trained as a Jedi because a note claims his father was a Jedi.

As he is trained his memories begin to return and they could form the basis of his eventual fall.

ben_danger said:

german battledroids! Bingowings is a genius!

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wQfkJTn_EQs

Reports of my genius are greatly exaggerated.

In the actual German dub they sound just as daft as in the English language version (though Sidious is great and the Trade Federation sound a lot better).

I was thinking more along the lines of the German version in this level of Rebel Strike (if someone could sample it I would love to hear these in an edit).

Fast forward to around the 1:37 mark :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zjwPsm8bLBo

mrbenja0618 said:

Octorox said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

Here's my daily does of a whole lot of nonsense. Some of it feels right, other parts clunky. In my mind, I keep seeing this as more of a series of comic books than animated movies, but that's purely due to logistics.

Episode I - (25 Years Before the Battle of Yavin)

Anakin (20)
Obi Wan (35)
Bail (25)
Owen (25)

CRAWL:

A bitter conflict has erupted
throughout the Republic. After the
Galactic Senate's divisive decision
to abolish cloning, King Organa of
Alderaan has been assassinated by cloning
extremists, sparking the SECOND CLONE WAR.

In desperation, the Jedi Knight
Obi Wan Kenobi is on a mission to
locate the missing prince of Alderaan.

If the prince can be returned to
his home planet, there is hope that
reason and diplomacy can restore
peace to the galaxy.

Concept:

I see this as kind of like the American Civil War, but sparked by a WWI-type assassination. After the assassination of their King, the people of Alderaan get an extreme case of bloodlust and start a war with the advocates of cloning (i.e., terrorists). These Clone forces (whatever we want to call them, they may include Mandalorians and/or shocktroopers) shouldn't really be clones themselves, just people who believe in the right to make clones if they choose to. Anakin is the "everyman" in the movie, in that all the exposition for us is directed at him.

Synopsis - 1st HALF:

The story starts as a spice freighter (spice is a substance of questionable legality) exits hyperspace over a random planet, only to drop right into the thick of a battle. The ship is suddenly struck by random blaster fire, the captain killed, and the navicomputer damaged. But the navigator Anakin skywalker - with the help of the ship's astromech R2-D2 - begins repairs. While the battle rages, Anakin restores main engines and begins a slow getaway, when he receives a distress call from another nearby ship. He weighs whether he should get involved, risking being caught for his spice smuggling. After a moment, he decides to go back for the rescue.

As he docks with the damaged republic ship, a dazed Bail Organa and injured Obi Wan Kenobi come on board. Kenobi demands they immediately jump to hyperspace to Alderaan. But Anakin explains about the navicomputer. Just then, the Clone Forces begin to attack, and Anakin takes the pilot controls. He manages to artfully evade the attackers. Kenobi is impressed, but he has concerns about their ability to get out alive. In desperation, Anakin begins to manually enter coordinates into the navicomputer. Stunned, Obi Wan asks what he's doing. Anakin explains that he "knows the way home". As he throws the hyperdrive switch, they make the jump to hyperspace, on the way to Tatooine. Obi Wan passes out from exhaustion and his injuries.

When Obi Wan comes to, he's in a small room, being nursed by Beru, Anakin's sister. He wants to immediately leave to continue his mission, but he can't get up due to his injuries. Beru asks who he is, and he explains about the Jedi, his mission, being sent by Yoda (I'm beginning to like the idea of referring to Yoda but not seeing him). Bail Organa is cooling his heels in the background. We haven't really gotten to know him yet.

After a few days, Obi Wan can amble around a bit with a walking stick, and he meets Owen Lars, a native of Tatooine. Owen was a friend of Anakin's who married Beru after father Skywalker died in the first Clone War. Owen and Beru now live on the Skywalker farm. Owen has little sympathy for Obi Wan, seeing what war has done to the skywalkers.

Bail comes in to talk to the recovering Obi Wan. We learn Bail's the reluctant heir who just wants to escape all this. He also thinks the war is justified and has no desire to stop it. Alderaan was ravaged by the first clone war, which was waged by an army of Clones known as shocktroopers. The shocktroopers were originally an experimental army for the Republic, but the cloning process was faulty, which caused the clones to go mad and mutiny. So in Bail's eyes, Alderaan is now doing what it must to protect itself. Obi Wan explains that the cycle of war will continue  - retaliation after retaliation, until someone can put the past aside.

A few days later, Obi Wan can walk around on his own, and he's beginning to grumble about leaving soon. He makes his way to the garage, where he sees Anakin tinkering. As a navigator who floats between jobs, Anakin is mostly away from the farm, but he spends most of his time in the garage when he's home. Obi Wan notices an old helmet displayed on the wall. Anakin explains that it was his father's fighter pilot helmet in the First Clone War. He gave it to Anakin on his deathbed, saying he "wanted him to to have it", knowing the young boy's enthusiasm for piloting. Obi Wan discusses Anakin's piloting skill and his trick with the navicomputer. Anakin says he's just always had a natural ability for piloting and a sense of direction in space. Obi Wan thinks for a while. He asks Anakin if he's heard of the Force. Anakin responds that he's not a religious guy. He mentions how his mother was killed by Tusken Raiders while father Skywalker was off at war.

Obi Wan takes a closer look at what Anakin is tinkering with: a holonet projector. Anakin notices and says "I figured you'd want some news of what's going on out there". After a minute, Anakin gets the thing to work. He fiddles with the dials and receives a transmission: Alderaan is under attack from the Clone Forces! Obi Wan calls to Bail, who watches with dread. Owen and Beru come in as well. After a few moments of silence, Bail says he's ready to return to Alderaan with Obi Wan.

But Obi Wan and Bail have no way off the planet. Obi Wan, sensing a moment of aligned opportunity, asks Anakin to pilot them back to Alderaan in the freighter. With the navicomputer unable to calculate coordinates, Obi wan pleads that Anakin can use his natural ability - with a little assistance from Obi Wan and the R2 unit - to manually enter the coordinates. Anakin could help save untold lives.

When Anakin doesn't immediately say no, Owen balks. He asks how Anakin could even consider this after all that's happened, how he could willingly put himself in harm's way. Anakin looks at his father's helmet on the wall, then grabs it and says "let's go". After Anakin leaves with the others, Owen says "I have a bad feeling about this". Beru replies that Anakin must follow his heart.

SYNOPSIS - 2nd Half:

Tune in next time as our heroes get in over their head. Anakin uses his piloting skills to disable a clone force dropship, Obi Wan faces off against the dreaded shocktroopers in hand-to-hand combat, and Bail Organa decides to join in the fight. Can they stop the invasion of Alderaan before it's too late?

Episode II (20 BBY)

Anakin (25)
Obi Wan (40)
Princess X (25)

A beautiful young princess (along with her golden protocol droid) is kidnapped by the dreaded sith pirates and their leader, Darth Vader. Anakin (now a Jedi Knight) and Obi Wan do battle with the sith and rescue the princess, with Anakin apparently killing Vader. Obi Wan explains that Darth Vader was once a student of his, but later turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, a band of masked marauders whose identity and species is unknown. Obi Wan uses the story of Darth Vader as a precautionary tale to Anakin on the appropriate use of the force. As Anakin and the princess fall in love, the Sith Pirates attack once again with a mysteriously revived Darth Vader. Anakin falsely believes Princess X to be dead, and he foolishly rushes off into battle. When he never returns, he is feared to be dead.

Episode III (17 BBY)

Vader/Anakin (28)
Obi Wan (43)
Princess X (28)
Luke (3)
Leia (3)

The repeated attacks by the Sith pirates have led to isolationism and xenophobia in the Republic. A charismatic senator has been named as emperor to provide a more centralized leadership in response to the sith pirates.

Because of their mutual affection for Anakin, Princess X and Obi Wan have become parents, in a way, for the Skywalker twins, but their relationship remains plutonic. Darth Vader, however, has spies that report otherwise to him.

Jedi have been mysteriously targeted by mercenaries known as the Mandalorians. The Jedi council (minus yoda) is convened, and they decide that they must make a stand against the Mandalorian threat. While the Jedi are slowly eliminated, Obi Wan does some sleuthing and discovers that the new Emperor has been manipulating the Sith and Mandalorians to his own ends. In a confrontation with Vader, Obi Wan asks what has happened to Anakin, and Vader responds that he is dead. During the battle, Vader falls into lava, and Obi Wan leaves him to die. Obi Wan has lost hope in everything he once fought for and believed in. The emperor announces a truce with the sith pirates, and as a sign of goodwill, makes Darth Vader his right hand man.

Both Obi Wan and Princess X, still clinging to their bittersweet memories of Anakin, are unclear about what to do with the children. They decide to seek the advice of master Yoda on Dagobah. Surely, he will know how best to protect the children. We see their ship approach Dagobah. The end.

ANH (0 BBY)

Vader (45)
Ben (60)
Luke (18)
Leia (18)

 

I like Episode I. Hate everything about II and III. Darth Vader should be the only Darth Vader and there should be no Sith pirates.

I like this idea for the most part. If anything it sells the multiple Darth Vader's for me... for the most part.

 

I think the marauders/pirates should be the newly reassembled Mandolorian Army... You could throw out the whole Mandalore title, and make the leader a Darth Vader. Sense I thought we were steering away from the EU we could ignore the Mandalore part, but I do think it could be cool to use the mandalorians, and the Republic's response is a clone army; much like the current prequels... Never had a problem with that... But we will have a time explaining how Darth Vader becomes an accepted member of the Empire later.

 

If we kept the Jedi being framed angle from the original prequels but moved it up the time frame and changed the circumstances (so they are being officially hunted for the whole of the last part) he starts off being seen as just a warlord but when the Jedi come to be seen as something to be exterminated by the general population Vader would be seen as a hero and a defender of the New Order.

Josh said:

umm.... the pope?

The droid factory looks good, but the rest kind of look like a frank miller film lol

So this is how Pope Benedict/Palpatine humour dies...with just not getting it.

Octorox said:

nice job but it all looks too dark and moody, pretty much devoid of any color. Like a horror movie or something. The OT was NOT like that.

 

vaderios said:

I believe this fall should be more interesting if it will be more extended.

The A wing hit the bridge,

Long - establishing shot: We see Executor falling with some ships below it starting to taking evading manuvers. Battle in the background.

Close shot from below: We see the Executor smash some SDs to its pass and some other ships trying to escape ( we can take some good footage from executor revealing from below, the SD that chasing Han after the arrival from the asteroid.)

Medium Shot from behind: We see a damaged and with all flames executor points the death star. ( good actual footage from ESB executor just before veers report to Vader, death star angle from ROTJ before the scene - I've told you to remain to the command ship- and some elements from Invisible hand fall from ROTS.

Shot from Ackbar's view: (actual scene) that he sees the ship falls to its doom.

Wide shot: the Executor enters and hits the DS. Some remains of the other damaged ships hits the surface of the          Death star. Battle in the distance.

Medium shot: We see the death star taking a bit damage and several pieces of different size flying away ( elements and idea from TPM when the battleship is exploding from inside).Battle in the distance.

Inside the death star shot: (actual scene) Stormies running and the whole image is shaking from the hit. Maybe some smoke-sparks- explosions elements.

:)

-Angel

 

That would be great, nice if we had a shock wave ripple out too.

doubleofive said:

HotRod said:

Not sure if this has been addressed or not!!

 

Now, isn't the SE of this scene wrong?

We see the earlier shot of Luke walking into the chamber and R2 being locked out. No balcony or sunset etc. Then 10 mins later we see our band of heroes and hey, a beautiful sunset view from a balcony.

That pissed me off back in 97, so, Adyman, what you gonna do? Hey dude...What you gonna do???

 

Ha!!

 

;)

You think R2 kept banging his head against the door for 20 minutes?  I'm sure he kept trying different doors to follow Luke. :-P

 

Perhaps those scenes are happening the same time as the duel in the room behind the door, it would mean that poor Mark wouldn't have to hang on that antenna for so long.

Someone has been busy.

Great stuff, I'm not too sure about Spice being illegal (we don't want it to be THE SPICE do we?).

I took it as just being spice, the act of smuggling it was illegal but just transporting it could be a perfectly legal activity.

mrbenja0618 said:

I see what you're saying; but I don't know how well that would play. I actually think we might be overcomplicating a Star Wars movie.  But maybe I'm wrong. I'm up to seeing how it plays out.

Perhaps it's my grasp of the English language that is at fault (I've only been speaking and writing in it for 37 years or so).

There is a group being used by Palpatine to orchestrate his schemes, pirates basically.

Their leaders all go by the Nom de guerre of Darth Vader and when one dies the new leader wears the armour and the name but we don't know that at first as far as we know in the first few films there is one and only one Darth Vader and he is obviously not Anakin Skywalker (shades of "Kagemusha" here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagemusha

These leaders all wear the same armour and mask and nobody knows who under the mask they just know that these pirates are Darth Vader's men and the Jedi are trying to track them down but Obi-Wan has (through the force) discovered it's a former pupil of his (but he doesn't know which one).

At the end of Episode II Anakin is captured by the pirates and Obi-Wan fears he will be killed and naturally wants to save him but unlike Luke he listens to Yoda and doesn't go after him.

Vader and Obi-Wan meet and Obi-Wan learns the truth (though he doesn't fully reveal it) that all the time he was sensing the future, Anakin has become the new Darth Vader. They fight (with Anakin wearing the Vader armour) and he is injured causing him to have to wear the breath screen.

It shouldn't be too difficult to explain the concept over three films, the Padme/decoy thing came across as overly simplistic and that was in just one film. A similar idea appeared in "The Princess Bride" and that was just one book/movie : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts

It's the only way I can think of keeping Vader a secret but still have the iconic duel.

It also plays into that element of Greek tragedy where the ability to see the future is a curse, which causes the very thing you are trying to avoid.

That way the burning of Vader's armour in ROTJ has a double meaning, on one hand he is freeing Anakin from the Vader persona but also he could inherit the name (because he was the cause of the previous Vader's death) but rejects it thus ending the title forever.

doubleofive said:

I love the idea of the Executor hitting an Imperial-class Star Destroyer on its way down or it breaking into pieces a la the Pegusus destruction linked above.

 It would also be nice to see the impact up close and from behind (f'nah, f'nah).

Please excuse the crudity of this illustration :

mrbenja0618 said:

But why have a character who is already named Darth Vader?

 Darth Vader is just a name for the leader of the pirates, he wears armour and a mask (but no breath screen) so no one has ever seen his face (every time one of their leaders dies they put the suit on someone else) that way when Anakin is captured in episode II the first time audience can assume he is dead and that in Episode III he is fighting the same Darth Vader in the other episodes (when in fact he's fighting Anakin in the armour).

The identity of this last Vader is not revealed until ESB.

In this prequel trilogy Obi-Wan's connection with finding a Vader is made out to be personal but the full nature is never revealed so when he decribes him as a former pupil (and he has had others) in ANH that (and the apparent death of Anakin) would seem to be the reveal as to why Obi-Wan took the conflict between them so personally.