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mrbenja0618 said:

Octorox said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

Here's my daily does of a whole lot of nonsense. Some of it feels right, other parts clunky. In my mind, I keep seeing this as more of a series of comic books than animated movies, but that's purely due to logistics.

Episode I - (25 Years Before the Battle of Yavin)

Anakin (20)
Obi Wan (35)
Bail (25)
Owen (25)

CRAWL:

A bitter conflict has erupted
throughout the Republic. After the
Galactic Senate's divisive decision
to abolish cloning, King Organa of
Alderaan has been assassinated by cloning
extremists, sparking the SECOND CLONE WAR.

In desperation, the Jedi Knight
Obi Wan Kenobi is on a mission to
locate the missing prince of Alderaan.

If the prince can be returned to
his home planet, there is hope that
reason and diplomacy can restore
peace to the galaxy.

Concept:

I see this as kind of like the American Civil War, but sparked by a WWI-type assassination. After the assassination of their King, the people of Alderaan get an extreme case of bloodlust and start a war with the advocates of cloning (i.e., terrorists). These Clone forces (whatever we want to call them, they may include Mandalorians and/or shocktroopers) shouldn't really be clones themselves, just people who believe in the right to make clones if they choose to. Anakin is the "everyman" in the movie, in that all the exposition for us is directed at him.

Synopsis - 1st HALF:

The story starts as a spice freighter (spice is a substance of questionable legality) exits hyperspace over a random planet, only to drop right into the thick of a battle. The ship is suddenly struck by random blaster fire, the captain killed, and the navicomputer damaged. But the navigator Anakin skywalker - with the help of the ship's astromech R2-D2 - begins repairs. While the battle rages, Anakin restores main engines and begins a slow getaway, when he receives a distress call from another nearby ship. He weighs whether he should get involved, risking being caught for his spice smuggling. After a moment, he decides to go back for the rescue.

As he docks with the damaged republic ship, a dazed Bail Organa and injured Obi Wan Kenobi come on board. Kenobi demands they immediately jump to hyperspace to Alderaan. But Anakin explains about the navicomputer. Just then, the Clone Forces begin to attack, and Anakin takes the pilot controls. He manages to artfully evade the attackers. Kenobi is impressed, but he has concerns about their ability to get out alive. In desperation, Anakin begins to manually enter coordinates into the navicomputer. Stunned, Obi Wan asks what he's doing. Anakin explains that he "knows the way home". As he throws the hyperdrive switch, they make the jump to hyperspace, on the way to Tatooine. Obi Wan passes out from exhaustion and his injuries.

When Obi Wan comes to, he's in a small room, being nursed by Beru, Anakin's sister. He wants to immediately leave to continue his mission, but he can't get up due to his injuries. Beru asks who he is, and he explains about the Jedi, his mission, being sent by Yoda (I'm beginning to like the idea of referring to Yoda but not seeing him). Bail Organa is cooling his heels in the background. We haven't really gotten to know him yet.

After a few days, Obi Wan can amble around a bit with a walking stick, and he meets Owen Lars, a native of Tatooine. Owen was a friend of Anakin's who married Beru after father Skywalker died in the first Clone War. Owen and Beru now live on the Skywalker farm. Owen has little sympathy for Obi Wan, seeing what war has done to the skywalkers.

Bail comes in to talk to the recovering Obi Wan. We learn Bail's the reluctant heir who just wants to escape all this. He also thinks the war is justified and has no desire to stop it. Alderaan was ravaged by the first clone war, which was waged by an army of Clones known as shocktroopers. The shocktroopers were originally an experimental army for the Republic, but the cloning process was faulty, which caused the clones to go mad and mutiny. So in Bail's eyes, Alderaan is now doing what it must to protect itself. Obi Wan explains that the cycle of war will continue  - retaliation after retaliation, until someone can put the past aside.

A few days later, Obi Wan can walk around on his own, and he's beginning to grumble about leaving soon. He makes his way to the garage, where he sees Anakin tinkering. As a navigator who floats between jobs, Anakin is mostly away from the farm, but he spends most of his time in the garage when he's home. Obi Wan notices an old helmet displayed on the wall. Anakin explains that it was his father's fighter pilot helmet in the First Clone War. He gave it to Anakin on his deathbed, saying he "wanted him to to have it", knowing the young boy's enthusiasm for piloting. Obi Wan discusses Anakin's piloting skill and his trick with the navicomputer. Anakin says he's just always had a natural ability for piloting and a sense of direction in space. Obi Wan thinks for a while. He asks Anakin if he's heard of the Force. Anakin responds that he's not a religious guy. He mentions how his mother was killed by Tusken Raiders while father Skywalker was off at war.

Obi Wan takes a closer look at what Anakin is tinkering with: a holonet projector. Anakin notices and says "I figured you'd want some news of what's going on out there". After a minute, Anakin gets the thing to work. He fiddles with the dials and receives a transmission: Alderaan is under attack from the Clone Forces! Obi Wan calls to Bail, who watches with dread. Owen and Beru come in as well. After a few moments of silence, Bail says he's ready to return to Alderaan with Obi Wan.

But Obi Wan and Bail have no way off the planet. Obi Wan, sensing a moment of aligned opportunity, asks Anakin to pilot them back to Alderaan in the freighter. With the navicomputer unable to calculate coordinates, Obi wan pleads that Anakin can use his natural ability - with a little assistance from Obi Wan and the R2 unit - to manually enter the coordinates. Anakin could help save untold lives.

When Anakin doesn't immediately say no, Owen balks. He asks how Anakin could even consider this after all that's happened, how he could willingly put himself in harm's way. Anakin looks at his father's helmet on the wall, then grabs it and says "let's go". After Anakin leaves with the others, Owen says "I have a bad feeling about this". Beru replies that Anakin must follow his heart.

SYNOPSIS - 2nd Half:

Tune in next time as our heroes get in over their head. Anakin uses his piloting skills to disable a clone force dropship, Obi Wan faces off against the dreaded shocktroopers in hand-to-hand combat, and Bail Organa decides to join in the fight. Can they stop the invasion of Alderaan before it's too late?

Episode II (20 BBY)

Anakin (25)
Obi Wan (40)
Princess X (25)

A beautiful young princess (along with her golden protocol droid) is kidnapped by the dreaded sith pirates and their leader, Darth Vader. Anakin (now a Jedi Knight) and Obi Wan do battle with the sith and rescue the princess, with Anakin apparently killing Vader. Obi Wan explains that Darth Vader was once a student of his, but later turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, a band of masked marauders whose identity and species is unknown. Obi Wan uses the story of Darth Vader as a precautionary tale to Anakin on the appropriate use of the force. As Anakin and the princess fall in love, the Sith Pirates attack once again with a mysteriously revived Darth Vader. Anakin falsely believes Princess X to be dead, and he foolishly rushes off into battle. When he never returns, he is feared to be dead.

Episode III (17 BBY)

Vader/Anakin (28)
Obi Wan (43)
Princess X (28)
Luke (3)
Leia (3)

The repeated attacks by the Sith pirates have led to isolationism and xenophobia in the Republic. A charismatic senator has been named as emperor to provide a more centralized leadership in response to the sith pirates.

Because of their mutual affection for Anakin, Princess X and Obi Wan have become parents, in a way, for the Skywalker twins, but their relationship remains plutonic. Darth Vader, however, has spies that report otherwise to him.

Jedi have been mysteriously targeted by mercenaries known as the Mandalorians. The Jedi council (minus yoda) is convened, and they decide that they must make a stand against the Mandalorian threat. While the Jedi are slowly eliminated, Obi Wan does some sleuthing and discovers that the new Emperor has been manipulating the Sith and Mandalorians to his own ends. In a confrontation with Vader, Obi Wan asks what has happened to Anakin, and Vader responds that he is dead. During the battle, Vader falls into lava, and Obi Wan leaves him to die. Obi Wan has lost hope in everything he once fought for and believed in. The emperor announces a truce with the sith pirates, and as a sign of goodwill, makes Darth Vader his right hand man.

Both Obi Wan and Princess X, still clinging to their bittersweet memories of Anakin, are unclear about what to do with the children. They decide to seek the advice of master Yoda on Dagobah. Surely, he will know how best to protect the children. We see their ship approach Dagobah. The end.

ANH (0 BBY)

Vader (45)
Ben (60)
Luke (18)
Leia (18)

 

I like Episode I. Hate everything about II and III. Darth Vader should be the only Darth Vader and there should be no Sith pirates.

I like this idea for the most part. If anything it sells the multiple Darth Vader's for me... for the most part.

 

I think the marauders/pirates should be the newly reassembled Mandolorian Army... You could throw out the whole Mandalore title, and make the leader a Darth Vader. Sense I thought we were steering away from the EU we could ignore the Mandalore part, but I do think it could be cool to use the mandalorians, and the Republic's response is a clone army; much like the current prequels... Never had a problem with that... But we will have a time explaining how Darth Vader becomes an accepted member of the Empire later.

 

If we kept the Jedi being framed angle from the original prequels but moved it up the time frame and changed the circumstances (so they are being officially hunted for the whole of the last part) he starts off being seen as just a warlord but when the Jedi come to be seen as something to be exterminated by the general population Vader would be seen as a hero and a defender of the New Order.

Josh said:

umm.... the pope?

The droid factory looks good, but the rest kind of look like a frank miller film lol

So this is how Pope Benedict/Palpatine humour dies...with just not getting it.

Octorox said:

nice job but it all looks too dark and moody, pretty much devoid of any color. Like a horror movie or something. The OT was NOT like that.

 

vaderios said:

I believe this fall should be more interesting if it will be more extended.

The A wing hit the bridge,

Long - establishing shot: We see Executor falling with some ships below it starting to taking evading manuvers. Battle in the background.

Close shot from below: We see the Executor smash some SDs to its pass and some other ships trying to escape ( we can take some good footage from executor revealing from below, the SD that chasing Han after the arrival from the asteroid.)

Medium Shot from behind: We see a damaged and with all flames executor points the death star. ( good actual footage from ESB executor just before veers report to Vader, death star angle from ROTJ before the scene - I've told you to remain to the command ship- and some elements from Invisible hand fall from ROTS.

Shot from Ackbar's view: (actual scene) that he sees the ship falls to its doom.

Wide shot: the Executor enters and hits the DS. Some remains of the other damaged ships hits the surface of the          Death star. Battle in the distance.

Medium shot: We see the death star taking a bit damage and several pieces of different size flying away ( elements and idea from TPM when the battleship is exploding from inside).Battle in the distance.

Inside the death star shot: (actual scene) Stormies running and the whole image is shaking from the hit. Maybe some smoke-sparks- explosions elements.

:)

-Angel

 

That would be great, nice if we had a shock wave ripple out too.

doubleofive said:

HotRod said:

Not sure if this has been addressed or not!!

 

Now, isn't the SE of this scene wrong?

We see the earlier shot of Luke walking into the chamber and R2 being locked out. No balcony or sunset etc. Then 10 mins later we see our band of heroes and hey, a beautiful sunset view from a balcony.

That pissed me off back in 97, so, Adyman, what you gonna do? Hey dude...What you gonna do???

 

Ha!!

 

;)

You think R2 kept banging his head against the door for 20 minutes?  I'm sure he kept trying different doors to follow Luke. :-P

 

Perhaps those scenes are happening the same time as the duel in the room behind the door, it would mean that poor Mark wouldn't have to hang on that antenna for so long.

Someone has been busy.

Great stuff, I'm not too sure about Spice being illegal (we don't want it to be THE SPICE do we?).

I took it as just being spice, the act of smuggling it was illegal but just transporting it could be a perfectly legal activity.

mrbenja0618 said:

I see what you're saying; but I don't know how well that would play. I actually think we might be overcomplicating a Star Wars movie.  But maybe I'm wrong. I'm up to seeing how it plays out.

Perhaps it's my grasp of the English language that is at fault (I've only been speaking and writing in it for 37 years or so).

There is a group being used by Palpatine to orchestrate his schemes, pirates basically.

Their leaders all go by the Nom de guerre of Darth Vader and when one dies the new leader wears the armour and the name but we don't know that at first as far as we know in the first few films there is one and only one Darth Vader and he is obviously not Anakin Skywalker (shades of "Kagemusha" here). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagemusha

These leaders all wear the same armour and mask and nobody knows who under the mask they just know that these pirates are Darth Vader's men and the Jedi are trying to track them down but Obi-Wan has (through the force) discovered it's a former pupil of his (but he doesn't know which one).

At the end of Episode II Anakin is captured by the pirates and Obi-Wan fears he will be killed and naturally wants to save him but unlike Luke he listens to Yoda and doesn't go after him.

Vader and Obi-Wan meet and Obi-Wan learns the truth (though he doesn't fully reveal it) that all the time he was sensing the future, Anakin has become the new Darth Vader. They fight (with Anakin wearing the Vader armour) and he is injured causing him to have to wear the breath screen.

It shouldn't be too difficult to explain the concept over three films, the Padme/decoy thing came across as overly simplistic and that was in just one film. A similar idea appeared in "The Princess Bride" and that was just one book/movie : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dread_Pirate_Roberts

It's the only way I can think of keeping Vader a secret but still have the iconic duel.

It also plays into that element of Greek tragedy where the ability to see the future is a curse, which causes the very thing you are trying to avoid.

That way the burning of Vader's armour in ROTJ has a double meaning, on one hand he is freeing Anakin from the Vader persona but also he could inherit the name (because he was the cause of the previous Vader's death) but rejects it thus ending the title forever.

doubleofive said:

I love the idea of the Executor hitting an Imperial-class Star Destroyer on its way down or it breaking into pieces a la the Pegusus destruction linked above.

 It would also be nice to see the impact up close and from behind (f'nah, f'nah).

Please excuse the crudity of this illustration :

mrbenja0618 said:

But why have a character who is already named Darth Vader?

 Darth Vader is just a name for the leader of the pirates, he wears armour and a mask (but no breath screen) so no one has ever seen his face (every time one of their leaders dies they put the suit on someone else) that way when Anakin is captured in episode II the first time audience can assume he is dead and that in Episode III he is fighting the same Darth Vader in the other episodes (when in fact he's fighting Anakin in the armour).

The identity of this last Vader is not revealed until ESB.

In this prequel trilogy Obi-Wan's connection with finding a Vader is made out to be personal but the full nature is never revealed so when he decribes him as a former pupil (and he has had others) in ANH that (and the apparent death of Anakin) would seem to be the reveal as to why Obi-Wan took the conflict between them so personally.

TMBTM said:

I can't quite see the point of the shot of the bigger fish eating the big fish staying in (it sees to be setting up a bit of danger for latter which doesn't actually happen).

Sure the scene is a bit silly and useless, but I like Qui-Gon saying, "there's always a bigger fish", it always makes think of Palpatine and rings a bell to the title of the movie.

 I was saying that in the context of Darth Godbold's edit (he takes out most of the Bongo scenes but keeps the long necked fish chomping on the other fish only without it attacking the ship).

TMBTM said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan

Lol, I had the exact same idea last night for the opening scene.

 Well there you go, it's the future you see.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

 

Good idea but I still think Anakin should be young, like a teenager. Maybe Owen is showing him the ropes in the spice freighter or something? Second, I don't like the idea that Tatooine is Obi-Wan's home planet.

Owen is a moisture farmer from Tatooine and has been since he was very young, Anakin should be in his late teens early twenties (a little bit younger than Ben who is in his mid-thirties Just enough for him to look up to him). Obi-Wan hated growing up on Tatooine (their father dragged them there as part a brief Rebublican colonial expansion that came to nothing) and his relationship with his brother is very hostile (he sees the Jedi as his family and Coruscant as his home) but Anakin enjoys visiting it and his sister (they come from somewhere else) but he only drops by once in a while (which is usually the high point of the Lars family year).

Darth Godbold said:

perhaps you can let me know which cuts hang so i can try to fix them also

im sure i can take the monster eating the monster out

 

but jar jar mentions that planet core is bad summin

so i figured leave it in?

Slumberland and others get around this by removing all mention of the planet core.

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

I had another brainwave when it comes to Threepio.

In TPM we see TC-14 on the Trade Federation Ship.

If she was recoloured gold and given some of Anthony Daniels lines from the prequels or the Radio Drama you could create a different arc for him.

He starts off as a Trade Federation protocol droid, he is used as their translator (because they no longer speak Engrish... allowing for Magnoliafan style subtitles to make them into darker characters) he is given orders to encourage the Queen to sign the treaty and make sure that no harm comes to her until she does, he takes his duties so literally that he ends up being dragged onto the Queen's ship when she escapes.

True he would still need to be put into some of the footage but seeing as he never leaves the ship on Tatooine he would be in TPM and meet Artoo but not meet Owen.

At the end of TPM the Viceroy declares that it's too late to sign the treaty and because his primary mission no longer achievable Threepio continues to serve the Queen and try to ensure her safety.

He could be in the background during the Coruscant scenes in Episode II (but stay behind on Coruscant with her decoy so not lose his head on Geonosis) and encourage her to return to Naboo with Anakin, and he would be in the birth of the rebellion scenes when they are put back into ROTS.

Bail wipes his memory because he doesn't trust him (because of his past and because he has been around during the planning stages of the Rebellion).

That way he's in all of them and it sets up the droids are slaves theme continued in the OT.

Darth Godbold said:

 

The Handmaiden And The Slave Boy i like maybe i will change the score to cheesy 70's porno music

With that one I was thinking more along the lines of "The Thief And The Cobbler" but I see your point.

As to the non-dubbing route, one of the best example I've seen recently are the Slumberland Edits.

Jar-Jar is still Jar-Jar (not a foul mouthed wise cracker or a Jedi) but he actually made me laugh for the first time in almost a decade.

I still think there is a really good hybrid of all the different edits already done to be made.

I've yours up to breaking the blockade and heading for Tatooine.

Some of the sound editing is similar to Slumberland (though he manages to make the Gungans even less annoying), there are a few breaks which hang in the air a bit (almost like the commercials are about to kick in) and there is a very uncomfortable cut during the blockade sequence while R2 is fixing the hyperdrive. I can't quite see the point of the shot of the bigger fish eating the big fish staying in (it sees to be setting up a bit of danger for latter which doesn't actually happen).

But overall for a first go it's looking fine.

ChainsawAsh said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

Breathe, ChainsawAsh, It's all good.  It may just take some time to get everyone on the same page.  Patience is a virtue.  I'm with ya, man.  Like you and Erik said, if we pay too much attention to the prequels or the EU or the old scripts we have already blown the CONCEPT we were going for.  A few pages back I posted THE FACTS as SHOWN in the OT.  Those are really the ONLY things we need to stick to.  As someone previously said, this PT should be exciting whether you watch it 4-6, 1-3 or 1-6.  If we only stick to the facts, it will make the whole project more exciting for the viewer, because they won't know what to expect.

Erik... I like some of your ideas, but i don't think we have the time to spend an entire movie on just Obiwan's development.  AND I think we really need to try to make Yoda a PRESENCE without being PRESENT.  He should be built up as being, frankly, the most powerful Jedi, but not seen on screen to make his appearance in ESB that much more of a surprise.  Luke was surprised...after all the build up, so should we.

Still curious about people's ideas for the wars.

Sorry if I came across as a jerk in my last post, I really didn't mean to.  I have a very set idea of what I'd like this to be, but it's difficult for me to communicate that in words since it's not fully-formulated in my head, either.

That concept art is pretty interesting.  We should take a look at some OT-era unused McQuarrie art, too - he had some good stuff that wasn't used if I recall.

BTW, my real name is Erik, so if I get mixed up and think you're talking to me when you're talking to Erikstormtrooper, I apologize in advance.  It's already starting to get confusing to me.

It depends on what you want to do with these prequels.

I first watched ANH back in 1977 when it plain old STAR WARS and it blew me away, I read every bit of the background story that turned up in magazines and books, and this largely fuled my expectations of what the prequels were to be like.

Then came TPM and not only was it a not very good film but it largely ignored all the little titbits of the story that we were fed for the past twenty odd years.

This is why I'm so protective of the background elements that matter most (Obi Wan is the cause of Vader's need of a breath screen, Vader is THE Dark Lord Of The Sith, Boba Fett is somehow connected to the Shocktroopers of the Clone Wars which fought against the Jedi. Leia was old enough to remember her real mother before she died).

There is still a lot of breathing space between those points but to ignore them is (in my opinion) making much the same mistakes that Lucas made.

It's like growing up an orphan and wishing you knew your father only to find out the man you thought had killed him was him.

ChainsawAsh said:

Exactly, that was my thought - they never say that Obi-Wan was the one that caused it.  It was in the ROTJ novelization IIRC, but never on screen in the OT.

I think we can safely forget everything that wasn't shown on-screen in ANH, ESB and ROTJ when planning for this (unless we are indeed going to keep some of Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy ideas, like the clones, which I think is a great idea).

Once again it's so entrenched in Star Wars lore that to change it would be like making Chewie an Ewok who fell into a chewing gum machine.

Darth Godbold said:

im trying to think of a title

so i can make a new crawl

for my edit  so far i have

 

EPISODE I

 

EMERGENCE OF THE SITH

SHADOWS OF THE JEDI

PHANTOM OF DARKNESS

 

please feel free to add some

and i also need some new opening text for my crawl

 

The Handmaiden And The Slave Boy

A Boy, A Girl And A Universe

Something Allusive

The Shadow Falls

Master And Apprentice

Enter The Bureaucrats

Capture The Queen

Only Joking (or am I)?

vaderios said:

The whole smashing idea of executor hits an other capital shit and all the remain pieces hit DS sounds cool!

Good idea!

-Angel

It might add a certain something if it was an iconic ship ramming into it (perhaps the medical frigate or the blockade runner in a neat reversal of the opening of ANH)

It would also be cool if a conventional Star Destroyer smacked into into it too.

That would be really epic!

astromech said:

Bingowings said:

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

 

I think that was one of my suggestions that saw Anakin in disguise as a Jedi vigilante...anyway, I was commenting on how far off the path things were going with the whole Anakin-Vader and use of Dark powers adding to his ailments. There are some things which are fixed and we won't be able to change them, but we can change aspects of how things happen and make them grander - so long as they eventually fit well together.

On a slightly different note, a brand new Samurai suit was commissioned for the first time in decades to commemorate Darth Vader and his Samuari origins during last year's 'celebrations': http://toybotstudios.blogspot.com/2007/06/darth-vader-samurai-armor.html

 

Oh I love it!

vaderios said:

First I wanted to add a more intense to Executor's fall in to the death star for the ROTJ:R

In the first pic I erase the death star surface so the executor take a bigger angle and speed.

Also I chanced the light direction to match with the follow shot.

In the second pic you can see that I altered the surface with an incomplete one and the ship is going little deeper in the star.

Plus some other action in the bg

3d pic, I thought after a massive ship fall into the death star a cool thing is a big piece to fly apart (like in TPM,trade federation battleship)so the damage will be more fatal ( one SSD down - agood hit to DS)

 

thats for now.

These are my ideas for ROTJ for the executor fall

 

later

 

-Angel

Lovely images.

I thought it would make sense that after the bridge pod is destroyed (and the whole thing should be destroyed) it smashed into another capital ship which sent it crashing into the Death Star.

For nuGalactica fans something like the destruction of The Pegasus : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwF67bhdXfk

It seemed to me that a ship that size would need more of a kick to send it tumbling.

The image of the blast would be a great alternative angle of the Death Star's actual destruction.

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea and I think it's not a bad idea - ok, it's a little hokey but hardly a trilogy busting idea...I just think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the fight between the cloned army of one person and a million robots that act like the three stooges...

Edit: the fact that Vader has been involved in a life threatening fight has been part of Star Wars lore since the beginning. You cannot change that he has become crippled due to his fight with Obi-Wan. Whilst it is an interesting idea, I think that there has to be a proper face off between the two once friends which will result in Vader taking on the mask and suit more permanently.

We know that Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader (which is why he needs life support) but he could be wearing a variation of his armour during the fight (thus keeping the fact he is Anakin away from the first time audience).

Vader's armour was based on Japanese armour like the Zunari helmet and Mempo :

if this sort of thing was part of the Vader persona he could wear that element all the time and only add the breath screen after his defeat.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

 

 

 I don't think the word "Sith" should ever be uttered in the PT. It's so vaugley defined in the Star Wars Universe and I think it would confuse anyone who saw the PT and thinks sith automatically equals evil jedi. I think the clones could be just formed from mandalorian hosts (various, explaining the different height stormtroopers) which where picked for the strength and ability. If we want to give Boba a backstory he could essentially be a "glitched" clone who develops an unusual cunning and  will of his own and breaks away from the Republic after training, becomes a bounty hunter and aids the Seperatists/Confederacy/Bad guys/whatever for a quick buck. We still would never see Boba as a kid, we would never se his "father" and we would never see him "unmasked" but we would still give the popular character a backstory and potray him with respect to his portrayal in ESB.

Darth Vader, Dark Lord Of The Sith is such an entrenched part of the Star Wars universe that not addressing it is utterly bonkers, it's like not doing the Clone Wars at all, everyone has heard the term and it deserves a better explanation than a couple of bad guys with red light sabres.

Palpatine and Coruscant aren't mentioned by name until the PT and Boba Fett (in one line) and Anakin only get a name check in ROTJ, but they are major parts of Star Wars lore.

The same goes for Dark Lord Of The Sith, if he's Dark Lord of it we need to know who or what it is and why he's it's/their Dark Lord.

It doesn't make much sense having the Emperor also a Sith Lord as it turns the Empire into a rather small closed shop.

I like the idea of there being thousands of ambitious creatures like Vader, trying to climb up the greasy pole only Vader is the best.

So Darth Vader Dark Lord Of The Sith shouldn't be too special, he's a warlord of a particular group but with a reputation which strikes fear in people (like Blackbeard: The Pirate King).

The idea of Sith Pirates comes from an earlier draught script : "Led by a young Padawan named Darklighter, who had succumbed to the temptations of the dark side, the evil Sith pirates became the Emperor's bodyguards and hunted down the remaining Jedi." (Star Wars.com) and the term was passed down through books and magazines released during the OT era.

Vader clearly isn't Boba Fett's master so the Mandalorians should remain as a race of skilled bounty hunters with a strict honour code (in keeping with Feudal Japanese feel of much of the OT).

I can't imagine them volunteering to be the template for a clone army it would be like prostitution.

Should they be forced into being cloned I could imagine them helping to fight against the force that committed such a dishonourable violation (Clone War One perhaps?).

As for the Emperor himself couldn't he just look that way in ROTJ because he's an alien who just looks that way anyway?

It makes a heck of a lot more sense than having him look like a human and figure out a way he can turn that way at the last minute.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Wow...I go to work for a few hours and a whole page moves on without me.

I agree with Octorox for the familial relationships.  Let's not make any more people related than we need.  It makes the whole galaxy too small.  I was blown away by the idea of Owen as brother-in-law because it was SO simple but it never occured to me and opens up many story telling possibilities.  I think if Owen and Obiwan were brother's it would have come up at SOME point in the OT.  Obiwan would have at LEAST been distraught at Owen's death.  Let's just keep it simple (with a twist).

ChainsawAsh about diving into Ep1, be careful that we don't jump the gun either.  We need to define MANY things about the structure and charcter archs before we start ANY script.  Otherwise we'll end up in the same hole I think Lucas got himself into.  I think he started kind of where we are...All kinds of ideas!  Then he built his SAGA one movie at a time, BUT he made the mistake of saying it was a trilogy so he had to wrap up his ideas in ROTJ, which I thought was really rushed.  Think of how cool it would have been if Luke had killed Vader in Ep6 and then "the other" that Yoda spoke of could have helped redeem him in Ep7.  Wouldn't it have heen cool if that "other" were not some SURPRISE sister but the one person who never believed in the force anyway...Han.  I always felt that they never knew what to do with him in ROTJ anyway.  He wasn't really a scoudrel so they tried to play up him being jealous about Luke and Liea's new found closeness.  So years later, Lucas decides to create the prequels, and they suddenly turn the SAGA from the adventures of Luke Skywalker into the fall and redemption of Vader.  I wonder if he originally intended the fall to be Luke but lost his chance because he ran out of time in the OT.  So lets not rush anything.  We've only been at this for about a week.  The Ep1 can still be stand alone, but we need to know where he are headed, lest we write ourselves into a corner and run out of time as well.

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

At what point does Luke seem distraught over the death of Owen and Beru? He hurries back, he calls out to them and then he is silent, if anything Ben shows more emotion over their deaths and he is forewarned by the Force. The inclusion of the revelation that he was Owen's brother was in the novelisation which suggests to me it may have been in some form of script treatment at some stage (as deleted scenes have got into the novelisations in the past) and it makes more sense hiding Luke with a brother he doesn't get on with than the step-brother of the father he's trying to hide him from.