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ben_danger said:

all i can think of now, is ady retrofitting his flat to look lke the falcon, then breaking it to his family and neighbours that he needs to start a domestic fire for the purposes of a fan edit.

 

though you are correct bingo, im sure a model would work great. if we saw the falcon blow up, id like to see it in that traditional star wars burny death manner, of flames launching from behind the pilot, then we see the crumpled burning falcon crash somewhere.

 

personally id like to se the falcon just miss its exit. maybe a falling chunk of metal could just slam into it? they could be racing to the exit, adrenaline pumping for the audience as the falcon slowly gets surrounded by flames, then just as the near the exit, the tunnel ceiling collapses, and maybe the last thing we see is a giant piece of pipe from the perspective of the cockpit.

 

its probably not possible, but maybe within the endor celebration, someone could whisper into hans ear, then leia could ask "wheres lando", then han shakes his head or something.

Maybe Leia could just say "Lando" sampled from elsewhere (like she says "Luke" in ESB when he calls to her).

Leia has a funny way of delivering one word sentences (I get a kick out watching ESB when she just says "Stardestroyer").

We would need to find a shot where Leia is looking up in her Endor costume and her mouth is hidden to pull it off though.

ben_danger said:

a whole new sequence with them maybe rigging up the falcon as a bomb (deep impact) would be cool if we had an interior set. maybe if ady decides to redecorate his flat he could go for a more corellian theme?

A really good model would do (you could only see so much through flames anyway).

Having to watch the film in slow motion I was shocked to notice how poor the composites are in the film.

Wedge's see-through X-Wing is so bad it's amazing (as he spins around to vacate the reactor chamber).

It would be great if someone made a really good Falcon interior (including the quad laser tubes) and film it burning.

Imagine all the flames licking through all those metal floor plates and the like.

It would really add tension to the scene.

It would also make it unneccessary to to have Billy Dee say that Falcon is too badly damaged because we can see it is.

The "Sorry" could be sampled from ESB and slightly modified ("They arrived just before you did").

It's great work doubleofive but there is a key problem with it.

Why do the fighters go in with the Falcon in the first place?

One obvious answer is the more ships that go in the more chances they have of success, in that case why ram or bam the reactor with the Falcon with a larger crew than the fighters?

The next obvious answer is to protect the Falcon on it's way in but that doesn't hold up because the Imperial fighters are traveling in the same direction as the Rebels (all the Rebel guns are pointing the wrong way).

If they are there to protect the Falcon the Rebels should split up and creep up behind the Imperials and pick them off or wait until the Imperials are in the tube and come in after them.

The best option I can think of (because we all want fighters in that maze with the Falcon) is that the Falcon is critically damaged in the bump that takes out the communications disk (as in my earlier post), it's going to blow up anyway so Lando sends Wedge out and rams the reactor, getting the best use of a failing resource.

ladyferry said:

Have you seen the fan film 'IMPS - The Relentless'? the AT-ST CGI graphics are flawless.

http://impstherelentless.com/tek9.asp

IMPS is a blast.

It's up on Youtube too if you don't want to download it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdSpHwbWVTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAju7mO6rI

I'm encountering the same problem with working on the two Death Star scenerio.

What follows is very wordy but could be made sense of by just adding a few lines of dialogue into certain scenes like those in Jejerrod's, Piett's and Ackbar's control centres.

In ANH it's clearly stated that the original (and complete) Death Star defences were geared towards a large scale attack (presumably by capital ships).

Clearly these defences aren't complete on the Endor Death Star or they wouldn't need the shield (which is why I suggested that once the shield is down the best defence would be to move the Rebel fleet closer to the Death Star because then the super laser wouldn't be able to fire at them and the Imperial fleet would have to move in closer too creating more surface damage. The superlaser has been shown to need to be far away enough for the Death Star to target planets and ships but close enough to be in range so there would be a zone of relative safety (turbo lasers would only be able to do so much damage at close quarters and any ship destroyed would rain debris onto the station). The Rebels would have a mad dash to get out of the way as the reactor was wiped out but at least they would be safer up until that point.

With the a extra Death Star thrown in the problem if the unshielded (or surprise) Death Star had a full range of defences the capital ships (including the Executor) wouldn't stand a chance against it it would be picked off before got even close, this would make for a very short battle and a swift ending to the film. With the Rebels all gathered around the Endor moon I wouldn't put it past Palpatine to blow the planet up as soon as possible sacrificing an half completed Death Star and an Imperial fleet just to get rid of the Rebellion.

So it too would have to be uncomplete to some degree but it's edge would be it's mobility (it has operational drive systems, the one around the Endor moon does not).

So in that scenario the best defensive position for the Rebels would be to move closer to the Surprise Death Star (that way the initial Death Star wouldn't be able to fire without risking hitting the added one and as the fleets got closer it too wouldn't be able to fire because of the same reason as in the single Death Star set up).

So why doesn't the new new Death Star just jump into hyperspace when the battle isn't going to plan?

With a battle there should be a plan.

The plan in the theatrical version is to get the Rebels to attack what the think to be an anarmed station in what they think is a sneak attack, only to find they are trapped between the Imperial Fleet and an operational superlaser.

With two Death Stars the same rules would have to apply but on a larger scale.

The Endor Death Star can not move but the Rebel Fleet can so the Imperial fleet would be the defensive wall and the surprise Death Star would be the second jaw of a giant clamp.

It would shepherd the the Rebels closer to Endor Death Star by moving closer progressively closer itself.

In that instance the Endor Death Star wouldn't need to be any more than a remotely operated cannon (Jejerrod could control both from one control center).

It could be rigged that as soon as the shield is down that Death Star could automatically turn and target the moon (The resultant blast and debris would destroy the Rebels) and a coded signal would warn the Imperials to get out of the way.

This is where Lando's fast thinking upsets things in all three battle plans.

In the theatrical version he moves the Rebels closer to the Imperials (something they don't expect) which buys time for the Rebels on the moon to get the shield down so that's Lando cool grade C.

In the one Death Star but Lando dies scenerio he does the above, and rams the reactor Lando cool Grade B.

In the two Death Star and Lando dies scenerio he does both but he also totally throws the pincer plan as well. By moving closer to the fleet the Death Stars can't pick a target so they blow up their own ships (which leads Piett into self defensive mutiny).

I'm of the opinion that Piett on his own couldn't destroy a Death Star but he could knock out the drive systems of the Emperor's Death Star.

If it was already too close to the system to move out of the way if the dead man's switch fell when the shield went down, Jejerrod would have no option but destroy the Endor Death Star himself before it blew up Endor and himself in one blast.

So Lando, instead of dying destroying the Endor Station destroys the Emperor's station.

Between Lando and Piett two Death Star's are destroyed for the price of one and Lando get's the ultimate credit for throwing the Emperor's plan completely off.

That way Lando get's the Olympic Gold Medal of Coolness and we get a much more visually interesting space battle than we got in ROTS which is inkeeping with it being the final episode.

Just as the ground battle is thrown by the little people (something that the Emperor completely ignores), the space battle with all it's technology is thrown by the side-lined minor players, Lando, Piett, Jejerrod and Wedge and of these Lando is the key.

ben_danger said:

any thoughts on holographic people dotted around?

That would make sense with it being the flagship of a large fleet (certainly a lot more sense than having medical droids hanging around for no good reason).

I will try and work that into a mock up too.

While the resolution quality may not hold up well in close up if scaled down into the background and mixed in with atmospheric effects perhaps this model might help with both ESB and ROTJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYL8MJDanoU&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEIbjA6FYJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5aB0fqjiPQ&NR=1

Talking of the Senate.

I seem to recall that there was a Senate scene which took place straight after the assassination attempt at the beginning of AOTC.

Palpatine prematurely announces that Padme was killed, only to have her turn up and interupt the call to vote for the formation of an army with her objections.

Did I imagine this, was it filmed but not used or was it written but not filmed?

I know it didn't turn up on the deleted scenes on the DVD but there was a lot of material that has never seen the light of day like the forementioned Threepio getting his coverings scene.

vaderios said:

Yeah! The sounds need a gentle touch.

 

@Bingo: The idea of the war room is very interesting. Still you have to consider where it will be.

If its inside the ship you can give to it any shape you want, but if its in bridge or it have open parts that sees to space, the shape should considered.

-Angel

Here's my understanding of it, the conference space is part of a greater control/command centre.

Forgive the rough abstraction (I literally knocked it out in a few minutes) it's just to show what the area generally looks like.

As to where it is it could be anywhere on the surface of Home One (a very big ship) it could even be underneath the ship as we have seen it.

What looks like a large window from the inside could look like a dot of light on the model.

SilverKey said:

Thanks for liking my ideas guys. I didn't know the rearranged finale of TPM had been suggested before. I've been following this thread for a while before I joined in, but I hadn't seen it before, and it was just something I thought up.

The prequel movie I'm most interested in fixing is AOTC, and I'm thinking of doing an edit of it sometime. Of course, TPM and ROTS could use some work as well, but I think there is a really interesting movie in the mess that is AOTC, but most of it has been left on the cutting room floor.

I'm mostly interested in the extended scenes on Tatooine. There were supposed to be scenes of Padme giving 3PO his plating, a conversation between Padme and Beru, and Anakin and Padme were originally to recieve Obi-Wan's call in the garage. I think especially that scene would have been interesting to see, because it would also have Anakin and Owen arguing whether Anakin should go to help Obi-Wan or not. Like, you know, Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH. There is some footage of this on the 2001 OT VHS release. It would be greatly appreciated if  anyone could tell me where to find it.

There is also footage of Anthony Daniels operating See Throughpio scattered through out various documentaries, you might be able to remove him to get some new shots.

In the film The Good, The Bad And The Ugly, the Ugly one isn't really evil but just mercenary and not classically attractive, so I'd replace Palpatine with Jabba (to avoid it being The Good, The Bad And The Ugly Bad).

Is it just me or does Vader look like he's had too many Easter Eggs in that photo?

Desidious said:

Hi, Mr. Adywan, as you can see I've never posted in this forum but I visit this tread quite often so as many other people I'm anxiously waiting the release of Episode V Revisited. First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for your terrific work with Episode IV, to me it IS the definitive version of the classsic.

Recently I watched Yoda's second sneak peek, where he's digitally enhanced... I'm very impressed. Having said that, I still have two suggestions... the first is that he needs to blink more; I mean, those little details you've added really make the difference between a nice puppet and a believable character but the pace needs to be faster; and second, he also needs to look forward or at least not looking squint.

Thanks for your work, Mr. Adywan, every single fan around the world now owes you one.

Greetings from México.

Desidious.

Hello there (form Scotland), nice to see you pop out of the shadows (I'm sure you aren't as indolent as your Sith title implies).

The more 501st guys on here the better, especially if someone wanted to assemble an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops for shooting elements for some project or another.

Did the mechanised AT-AT guy in Brazil get back to anyone (I wonder if he's tried doing an AT-ST)?

It would be better if we saw nothing of the hooded figure's face, then we might think it was someone else until Luke lifted his cowl (like Jason's Sidious hologram).

We have seen Sith on bike's before.

Who is this caped warrior walking so confidently into Jabba's palace?

In the holo message, on Dagobah, in Ben's place he doesn't wear the hood so for a brief moment we won't know who it is and it can cover problems like sticking Luke's head into shots that his body didn't occupy.

I made this montage of production designs for the Rebel Briefing Room/Command Centre, as you might be able to make out the actual set is in the pit in the middle and there is a clear roof open to space above.

I will try and work this into a more cinematic mock up but the gauntlet is thrown to anyone out there with 3D modelling skills.

I never realised that the Trade Federation ships were that huge, you could fit about seven Star Destroyers in that thing, going by the cockpits the AT-AT and the Imperial Shuttle seem way off.

It's the Naboo Theatre Dance Of the Valiant Falcon (an epic tale of smooth sacrifice told through gentle gestures and delicate movements, which resembles your funky chicken in most respects).

They can't repel firepower of that magnitude....

RoccondilRinon said:

Yeah, I showed a mate of mine ANH:R and he said "Amazing talent that guy has. What's he doing wasting his time on this? He should be making his own movies." Except for the fact that I really REALLY want to see the Revisited saga completed, I would have agreed with him.

There are people on here in or graduated from film school but there are also people who are self taught and people who will never make a film but contribute ideas without which nothing would get made.

So doing this sort of thing is never a waste of time (and even if it was I can think of worse ways of wasting time) as it gets people to stretch their skills which they may (or may not) take to other things.

And helping to make Star Wars work better rather than just sitting back moaning about it (to whatever degree we do) has got to be a positive thing.

Cripes!, I'm sounding like I've swallowed a truck load of happy pills.

EyeShotFirst said:

I say with all of our imaginations f**k star wars lets make our own movie LOL

Oh that too.

I said half in jest the other day that once Adywan has finished his Revisted projects he would have the skills to make his own movies (and not just Episodes VII to IX).

But the same goes for all of us here.

You have a community here which work as script consultants, researchers, art departments, editors, prop builders, cameramen and women, special effects artists.

And everyone is doing it for free and freely encouraging people to share and run with each others ideas.

Good innit? :-)

vaderios said:

Start making props then :P

Or find one with good 3d skills

-Angel

Or/and both and matte painters too.

Sluggo said:

I'm just saying there is a lot of good reading out there for those who care to do it.

Oh agree entirely that thread is a gold mine, you posted a link to it on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread so I'm doing the same here for those who haven't dived into it yet.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-legendary-Starkiller-Ranch-Thread/topic/3886/

EyeShotFirst said:

I am not too against the idea now but can the other death star at least look like they do in the paintings

Do they have to?

We know what a Death Star looks like and one of them already exists as a story element.

The other one could be complete (in which case it we know how that looks) or it could be incomplete in a different way (which means someone makes models and mattes and puts them into shots).

That's not to underestimate the amount of work involved but it's not impossible it's just hard work.

Going by what he did with the Cantina aliens and what he is currently doing the ESB Yoda Adywan seems to be one guy for the job of making the Ewoks into realistic creatures.

JasonN and others have reduced the silly nature of the PT Yoda greatly too.

Editors have made even Jar-Jar interesting or at least easy to bear using a variety of approaches (Slumberland's Episode One was an eye opener as was Magnoliafan's in that score).

There are a lot of very talented people out there and more and more seem to join on as time goes by and as the technology becomes affordable and they get the bug.

The editors and fan film makers working here (on other sites and in isolation too) are doing the sort of thing a major studio would have gawped at only a few years ago.

Imagination and application can work miracles.

EyeShotFirst said:

Now how are  we gonna make lando look like he is gonna sacrifice himself. He doesnt say anything doesnt even act like hes gonna die. It wont work. Unless you go back to 83 and call up billy dee williams

Fan Editors are Challenger's Of The F*ing Impossible (sounds like a good name for a production company).

The more people say something like, "It won't work" the more someone will say, "Never tell me the odds!".

I've been working on trying to do a mockup of Luke landing near Ben's hut but I can't find the right angle for an X-Wing landing/landed.

Has anyone got something to fit in here, feel free to play with it yourselves if you have the time and the inclination (said the actress to the bishop).

Am I right in thinking this is a "Starkiller Thread got there first" topic Sluggo (not that it matters, a good idea is a good idea wherever it's posted)?