Bingowings

Talking of the Senate.

I seem to recall that there was a Senate scene which took place straight after the assassination attempt at the beginning of AOTC.

Palpatine prematurely announces that Padme was killed, only to have her turn up and interupt the call to vote for the formation of an army with her objections.

Did I imagine this, was it filmed but not used or was it written but not filmed?

I know it didn't turn up on the deleted scenes on the DVD but there was a lot of material that has never seen the light of day like the forementioned Threepio getting his coverings scene.

vaderios said:

Yeah! The sounds need a gentle touch.

 

@Bingo: The idea of the war room is very interesting. Still you have to consider where it will be.

If its inside the ship you can give to it any shape you want, but if its in bridge or it have open parts that sees to space, the shape should considered.

-Angel

Here's my understanding of it, the conference space is part of a greater control/command centre.

Forgive the rough abstraction (I literally knocked it out in a few minutes) it's just to show what the area generally looks like.

As to where it is it could be anywhere on the surface of Home One (a very big ship) it could even be underneath the ship as we have seen it.

What looks like a large window from the inside could look like a dot of light on the model.

SilverKey said:

Thanks for liking my ideas guys. I didn't know the rearranged finale of TPM had been suggested before. I've been following this thread for a while before I joined in, but I hadn't seen it before, and it was just something I thought up.

The prequel movie I'm most interested in fixing is AOTC, and I'm thinking of doing an edit of it sometime. Of course, TPM and ROTS could use some work as well, but I think there is a really interesting movie in the mess that is AOTC, but most of it has been left on the cutting room floor.

I'm mostly interested in the extended scenes on Tatooine. There were supposed to be scenes of Padme giving 3PO his plating, a conversation between Padme and Beru, and Anakin and Padme were originally to recieve Obi-Wan's call in the garage. I think especially that scene would have been interesting to see, because it would also have Anakin and Owen arguing whether Anakin should go to help Obi-Wan or not. Like, you know, Obi-Wan told Luke in ANH. There is some footage of this on the 2001 OT VHS release. It would be greatly appreciated if  anyone could tell me where to find it.

There is also footage of Anthony Daniels operating See Throughpio scattered through out various documentaries, you might be able to remove him to get some new shots.

In the film The Good, The Bad And The Ugly, the Ugly one isn't really evil but just mercenary and not classically attractive, so I'd replace Palpatine with Jabba (to avoid it being The Good, The Bad And The Ugly Bad).

Is it just me or does Vader look like he's had too many Easter Eggs in that photo?

Desidious said:

Hi, Mr. Adywan, as you can see I've never posted in this forum but I visit this tread quite often so as many other people I'm anxiously waiting the release of Episode V Revisited. First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for your terrific work with Episode IV, to me it IS the definitive version of the classsic.

Recently I watched Yoda's second sneak peek, where he's digitally enhanced... I'm very impressed. Having said that, I still have two suggestions... the first is that he needs to blink more; I mean, those little details you've added really make the difference between a nice puppet and a believable character but the pace needs to be faster; and second, he also needs to look forward or at least not looking squint.

Thanks for your work, Mr. Adywan, every single fan around the world now owes you one.

Greetings from México.

Desidious.

Hello there (form Scotland), nice to see you pop out of the shadows (I'm sure you aren't as indolent as your Sith title implies).

The more 501st guys on here the better, especially if someone wanted to assemble an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops for shooting elements for some project or another.

Did the mechanised AT-AT guy in Brazil get back to anyone (I wonder if he's tried doing an AT-ST)?

It would be better if we saw nothing of the hooded figure's face, then we might think it was someone else until Luke lifted his cowl (like Jason's Sidious hologram).

We have seen Sith on bike's before.

Who is this caped warrior walking so confidently into Jabba's palace?

In the holo message, on Dagobah, in Ben's place he doesn't wear the hood so for a brief moment we won't know who it is and it can cover problems like sticking Luke's head into shots that his body didn't occupy.

I made this montage of production designs for the Rebel Briefing Room/Command Centre, as you might be able to make out the actual set is in the pit in the middle and there is a clear roof open to space above.

I will try and work this into a more cinematic mock up but the gauntlet is thrown to anyone out there with 3D modelling skills.

I never realised that the Trade Federation ships were that huge, you could fit about seven Star Destroyers in that thing, going by the cockpits the AT-AT and the Imperial Shuttle seem way off.

It's the Naboo Theatre Dance Of the Valiant Falcon (an epic tale of smooth sacrifice told through gentle gestures and delicate movements, which resembles your funky chicken in most respects).

They can't repel firepower of that magnitude....

RoccondilRinon said:

Yeah, I showed a mate of mine ANH:R and he said "Amazing talent that guy has. What's he doing wasting his time on this? He should be making his own movies." Except for the fact that I really REALLY want to see the Revisited saga completed, I would have agreed with him.

There are people on here in or graduated from film school but there are also people who are self taught and people who will never make a film but contribute ideas without which nothing would get made.

So doing this sort of thing is never a waste of time (and even if it was I can think of worse ways of wasting time) as it gets people to stretch their skills which they may (or may not) take to other things.

And helping to make Star Wars work better rather than just sitting back moaning about it (to whatever degree we do) has got to be a positive thing.

Cripes!, I'm sounding like I've swallowed a truck load of happy pills.

EyeShotFirst said:

I say with all of our imaginations f**k star wars lets make our own movie LOL

Oh that too.

I said half in jest the other day that once Adywan has finished his Revisted projects he would have the skills to make his own movies (and not just Episodes VII to IX).

But the same goes for all of us here.

You have a community here which work as script consultants, researchers, art departments, editors, prop builders, cameramen and women, special effects artists.

And everyone is doing it for free and freely encouraging people to share and run with each others ideas.

Good innit? :-)

vaderios said:

Start making props then :P

Or find one with good 3d skills

-Angel

Or/and both and matte painters too.

Sluggo said:

I'm just saying there is a lot of good reading out there for those who care to do it.

Oh agree entirely that thread is a gold mine, you posted a link to it on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread so I'm doing the same here for those who haven't dived into it yet.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-legendary-Starkiller-Ranch-Thread/topic/3886/

EyeShotFirst said:

I am not too against the idea now but can the other death star at least look like they do in the paintings

Do they have to?

We know what a Death Star looks like and one of them already exists as a story element.

The other one could be complete (in which case it we know how that looks) or it could be incomplete in a different way (which means someone makes models and mattes and puts them into shots).

That's not to underestimate the amount of work involved but it's not impossible it's just hard work.

Going by what he did with the Cantina aliens and what he is currently doing the ESB Yoda Adywan seems to be one guy for the job of making the Ewoks into realistic creatures.

JasonN and others have reduced the silly nature of the PT Yoda greatly too.

Editors have made even Jar-Jar interesting or at least easy to bear using a variety of approaches (Slumberland's Episode One was an eye opener as was Magnoliafan's in that score).

There are a lot of very talented people out there and more and more seem to join on as time goes by and as the technology becomes affordable and they get the bug.

The editors and fan film makers working here (on other sites and in isolation too) are doing the sort of thing a major studio would have gawped at only a few years ago.

Imagination and application can work miracles.

EyeShotFirst said:

Now how are  we gonna make lando look like he is gonna sacrifice himself. He doesnt say anything doesnt even act like hes gonna die. It wont work. Unless you go back to 83 and call up billy dee williams

Fan Editors are Challenger's Of The F*ing Impossible (sounds like a good name for a production company).

The more people say something like, "It won't work" the more someone will say, "Never tell me the odds!".

I've been working on trying to do a mockup of Luke landing near Ben's hut but I can't find the right angle for an X-Wing landing/landed.

Has anyone got something to fit in here, feel free to play with it yourselves if you have the time and the inclination (said the actress to the bishop).

Am I right in thinking this is a "Starkiller Thread got there first" topic Sluggo (not that it matters, a good idea is a good idea wherever it's posted)?

All brilliant ideas there, having Qui-Gon disappear would be difficult to work into a saga where Jedi vanishing is unheard of.

It might be seen as proof that he was onto something about Anakin but it would be difficult to reconcile with Vader's apparent WTF when Ben's body does it in ANH.

Unless in that context it becomes more of a "Oops! So he can do it too" sort of thing but Vader seems to take a lot of pride in it being Kenobi's final end and is still convinced of it in ESB (but that too could contexually change into Vader keeping more secrets from his master in the hope it will help him get the old bugger out of the way).

vaderios said:

Yeah the sourse was crap. Youtube what did you expect :P

 

-Angel

What you want is to get your hands on one of these : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=2748491

I had it years ago but gave it away when I split up with my Ex and in a moment of madness became a mac user.

ben_danger said:

^i meant that film!:p

Crickey Ben we seem to be synchronised today :-)

The Time Guardian has got a DVD release too (more Carrie in metal boobs action) I'm not sure if it would be useful but you might be able to get something out of it (even if it's just Carrie with metal boobs).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guardian-Premium-Anamorphic-Widescreen-Release/dp/B0012GVKEQ

There would be a bit of irony of sampling from Slipstream for a ROTJ edit because it would mean Gary Kurtz gets directly into the final part of the OT at last (even if it wasn't from his finest work).

JasonN said:

I'll look into killing off Lando, yeah - at the moment, though, I'm editing the Luke/Yoda/Vader/Emperor scenes (maybe as a way to starve off working on those damn Ewoks....) and doing research if the "montage" ending is technically feasible.

Right now, I'm rewatching some of Harrison Ford's later movies see if there are any scenes that could work to portray an older Han Solo (Indy 4, perhaps). Now finding actors to use as older Luke and Leia, that's going to be more difficult (the actors need to somewhat resemble older versions of the characters and the film scenes have to be close to the ones I want to portray in the ending)

Mark in Slipstream would make for a good battle hardened Jedi (the face fuzz gives him a bit of an Obi-Wan look and makes him look even older than he was at the time), shame that movie is such bobbins because he was really good in it and I love the late Bob Peck, if anything could be rescued out of that film I would be pleased beyond words.

I'm not sure if it got a DVD release however.

 In a similar vein Carrie did an even more rubbish film, The Time Guardian which might have a few salvageable frames.

What you have done there is very good (especially working around that nasty frame crack) there is some exciting software out there for sampling textures from still images and applying them to damaged and even monochrome moving images.

I can't remember where the link is (I will look again).

There were quite a few full colour production photographs taken of the deleted scenes and maybe these can be used to improve the quality (assuming that Lucasfilm hasn't hidden a mother lode of full quality out takes which they are sitting on for the 8D 2084 hologlobe release).

In my effort to keep the ideas on the SAVE LANDO!!! thread from dying when the bru ha ha ebbs down (if it ever will) I'm posting this here too :

Bingowings said:

What if the impact that knocked out the communications disk also knocked out the quad laser, that way it's not a suicide mission (well no more than usual) or down to extra shielding on the reactor, but down to not having enough firepower once the Falcon gets there.

The ship could get really badly shaved and covered in dings (meaning the cockpit is sealed in to stop fire from spreading).

That would just leave the guys in the cockpit to volunteer to ram the reactor.

It would add to the tension because the Falcon might not even make it to the reactor before blowing.

Something like this (only better) :

I agree it's a fine line between tell and show and tell but these are pieces of cinema and not audio drama so while some restraint can make for better story telling, sometimes you can't beat just putting it up there (the putting up there bit is more difficult).

Another sequence I suggested sometime back was to have the Falcon and Luke's X-Wing attacked as it tried to leave Tatooine (Vader wants both captured to get Luke before for the Emperor can and knows he will try to save Han at some point), once again something similar was put into the radio drama version, Star Wars is usually at it best when it has little out the frying pan into the fire moments like this and it would deliver a bit more of a punch to the end of the first act and remind us that the Empire is a much more dangerous threat than Jabba :

TMBTM said:

doubleofive said:

Bingowings said:

But as I said you don't need that approach to get around Luke getting out in time, you just have him leave earlier.

Does no one like my idea of not showing him leave at all?  Have Leia's revelation that she feels that Luke is alive be both a reveal of her untrained Force ability and a revelation to the audience that Luke made it off.  So we'd see Luke mourning his father and next time burning the remains, not: mourning his father, flying a shuttle out of an exploding hanger bay at the last second, burning the remains.

Or if you really wanted, instead of the Falcon flying in front of the DS explosion, have it be Luke's shuttle.

I either need to figure out how to do some editing with the programs I have, or ask someone else to mock it up for me...

I think it's a good idea to not see Luke leaving the Death Star. It's a good exemple of "less is more".

It might seem a bit bizarre having Luke on a battered station with a dying Vader one minute and on the moon with Vader's corpse later but then it might put greater strength to Leia's knowing he survived, I guess it would be something that you could only be sure of once someone has given it a go.