Bingowings

Nanner Split said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The newer doctor whos are some of the best new science fiction that has been on television.  Amazingly well written and casted, well most of the time anyway.

 

Well, pretty much all the ones that Russell T. Davies DIDN'T write were awesome. :P

I have to agree with you there Tooth And Claw, Turn Left and Midnight were great and the recent Torchwood thing was good too even if it was largely pinched off The Space Traders and The Quatermass Conclusion.

He does write nice little character moments but give him anything that requires Science Fiction ideas or an epic finale and he gets lost, most of those stories seem to based on playing early platform games, only Russell can take a joke from Galaxy Quest and take it seriously.

Basically he is John Nathan Turner with too much money to spend and the BBC behind him, not trying to trip him up.

Hopefully a change of lead writer will herald a higher level of story telling.

I'm just hoping that Moffat isn't going to be Gordon Brown to RTD's Tony Blair.

Ady sort had a similar problem when he previewed an incomplete section of ESB:R and told everyone that it was incomplete and he only wanted to show it to illustrate a particular point and a he got comments saying how wonderful it was and detractors saying how it didn't look too good (completely missing the point that it was incomplete and not to his high standard but illustrating a particular point during a work in progress).

Whenever you let something out into the wild, it doesn't matter how many disclaimers you attach to it or how much you insist it's not up to your standards, some people will ignore what you say and either praise it to the hilt and incorporate the ideas, even the elements you haven't finished working on into their own work regardless or they will slag it off for not being what you never said it was in the first place.

It's an inevitable consequence of showing your work, George Lucas has to put up with it all the time.

Fan editing is a cannibalistic artform and that extends not just to the original film makers and us but also between ourselves, it helps if we are polite and supportive of each other.

I'd like to see both Reborn and Renascent and with better quality sources becoming available I'd like to see this basic ingenious idea reworked with materials other people have worked on too.

Attribution is the least and possibly the most we can ask for, if an idea comes from someone else it's just good manners to give credit where credit is due and say thanks for the work of others that make other projects possible.

If helping someone doesn't appeal why throw rotten fruit when you can just walk away?

On the whole the people on these boards support each other and openly share ideas and that makes this place a really creative and fun place to visit.

It is easy enough to follow as I said before.

Visually this is constructed from bits of the DVD versions of TPM, AOTC and ANH:R so if you are familiar with that material do you really need to see it in DVD quality to figure out where the edits are?

If the quality of the screenshots are so offensive to you than perhaps it's right you shouldn't download it (though I can't see why you would make such a big thing out of not downloading it, surely one post explaining why gets the message across).

Any dispute between TJ and A-M is between them.

If A-M did use TJ and ID's material without express permission that would be bad form but as I said we all do it even if we are posting screen captures from the DVDs (I've never asked George Lucas' permission to stick naughty slave girls in his shots, I didn't even ask the naughty slave girls if they minded dancing for Jabba).

I was blown away by the material that ID and TJ put out and I was really looking forward to Reborn (and I still hope one day the idea will get the treatment it deserves).

This isn't their edit, it a different edit and I hope this one, when it's finished comes out well and is distrubuted to a high standard.

Until then I don't mind looking at the rough version and giving a few tips (if any enter my gnarled brain).

I'd give it a go but with my mix of accents I'm proberbly only good for protocol droids, minor Jedi and Imperial Officers (though I've been told my Palpatine and Sir Alec impersonations aren't too bad).

I was brought up in South East England but I've been long enough on Caledonian soil (in the service of the Emperor) for my R's to change ;-)

If anyone has a jones for the idea I've moved onto the wishlist thread, I can see what you mean but the idea could be done with just a few shots but here isn't the place anymore to talk about it because Ady has made his view known.

So yes in terms of this thread it's already rusty helmet stuff.

Karen Gillan is the actress, Amy Pond is the character, we don't know anything about her yet because she's the 11th Doctor's companion and we still have a bit to go before the song for ten ends. Here's the wiki article about her (sorry that as much as I have) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Gillan

If the Empire aren't bad enough to shoot a few people (even men with Ice Cream makers) while taking over an illegal mining operation after the administrator and his security staff has just helped their commander lose his Emperor's prize (not to mention that feisty Rebel Princess again) then why are the Rebels fighting them at all?

It makes them seem softer than some of our own upstanding defenders of freedom ;-)

This idea was posted on the ESB:R thread but Ady isn't going to do it so I'm putting it here in case anyone else want to have a stab at it :

Bingowings said:

Not really a suggestion for ESB:R (unless it was an extra and Adywan has enough on his hands as it is) though if Ady likes the idea and can find a way to pull it off ithat wouldn't upset the pacing of the escape it might work in the edit proper.

To justify Lando's cooperation with Vader against Han & Co it might be a shocking addition to the the panic on the streets and corridors of Cloud City if we saw Imperial ships landing and picking off Cloud Cars (maybe even shooting the crowds ala OS Galactica).

It would underline how much Lando had to balance his responsibilities to the citizens under his care against his loyalty to his friends.

A lot of people still think Lando was a coward (Leia certainly gives him a hard time for it) for caving into Vader but if we see some of the consequences of an Imperial take over of the city the audience would get a better idea of what he had to lose.

It would also remind the audience that it wasn't just the Rebels that Imperials were utter gits to.

When we see Cloud City again during the celebrations we would also get more of an impression that their liberation was personal rther than a political abstract notion.

Bingowings said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Bingowings said:

[It] might be a shocking addition to the panic...of Cloud City if we saw Imperial ships...

[It] would...remind the audience that it wasn't just the Rebels that Imperials were utter gits to.

Found this interesting pic while tooling around Google Images:

Bingowings said:

I was thinking of a few landing ships coming down as the panic starts and a few fighters clearing the area and taking out the local security, impressive as that view is it might be jewelling the guilded lilly to do something on that scale but I'm frequently wrong.

 

Well lets see what it would look like from all perspectives.

My first mockup in a week

A bit rough and ready but here was my quick stab at illustrating the idea a bit smaller in scale:

 

Sorry to hear about the back Ady, the better half was in similar agony when we moved the shed last weekend. Like dental pain, back pain is one of those nasty forms of discomfort that are almost impossible to get relief from.

Not as bad as gall or kidney stones though.

I'll move the TIEs attacking Cloud City over to the wishlist thread as you are clearly not going with it but someone might be able to use it.

He lost the bulk of it when his computer died from what I can recall ID and TJ will correct me if I'm wrong.

After that it would have taken too long to build it all from scratch again.

EyeShotFirst said:

I liked the way they evacuated the Hotel of Floston Paradise in Fifth Element. We could show hundreds of escape shuttles being attacked by ties.

Definately but only if it didn't detract from the pace of the escape.

A few shots here and there I think would be enough to get the idea across.

While using someone else work without permission is bad form, it is in essence what everyone does when they do a fan edit.

It would however have been better to have reconstructed those elements rather than taking them and dropping them straight in while still giving ID and TJ a credit for inspiration.

The way I saw it was that Lando's announcement caused panic and people either ran to the nearest ship or went out on the streets, the fighters were to stop the locals from protecting the escaping ships and to encourage people to stay indoors.

A few shots could be a powerful incentive.

EyeShotFirst said:

Bingowings said:

[It] might be a shocking addition to the panic...of Cloud City if we saw Imperial ships...

[It] would...remind the audience that it wasn't just the Rebels that Imperials were utter gits to.

Found this interesting pic while tooling around Google Images:

Bingowings said:

I was thinking of a few landing ships coming down as the panic starts and a few fighters clearing the area and taking out the local security, impressive as that view is it might be jewelling the guilded lilly to do something on that scale but I'm frequently wrong.

 

Well lets see what it would look like from all perspectives.

My first mockup in a week

A bit rough and ready but here was my quick stab at illustrating the idea a bit smaller in scale:

Would that be the same Spence who did such edits as the really impressive Silent Hill one (and many, many more) known as Spence101287 on this very organ (going by his Youtube name that's a bit of a no brainer question on my part)?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/user-profile.cfm/Spence101287/user/2957/

I've mentioned this in the Radical Redux Thread but I thought I'd post it here too (shame I didn't think about it before you did your edit but if you do another version you might consider doing this).

There were apparently a few lines in TPM script that could be put back in an edit using your blacked out, voice masked Sidious hologram.

When the Trade Federation are fretting about the Senate ambassadors being Jedi, Sidious says "You seem to be more worried about the Jedi than you are about me" he then delivers a Force Choke to one of them and warns, "My reach is greater than any Jedi".

If you found someone who could do a near Sidious delivery and manipulated the voice in the same way you did the rest of his lines you might be able to put this in. With his face obscured you wouldn't have a problem with lip sync.

It reminded me of how Vader delivered a little Force choke to Lando when he was warning him about altering his deal with a Sith Lord.

That's another approach but it's not really redemptive. Let's face it the PT doesn't really paint a picture of there being much of good guy to redeem to start with but getting angry at Palpatine for all the crap Anakin himself did paints a picture of a guy who doesn't want to do good but just can't take any more crap from the boss.

Calling into his memory the friends, mentors and loves of his preVader life would remind him of the good man he used to be (or should have been) so when he kills Palpatine it's not to get the manipulative prune out of his life but to save the son he loves and loves him.

Rather than having full shot flashbacks I'd take a few obscured elements and overlay them onto the image and add a few dialogue elements to sound mix.

At the risk of sounding like Catherine Tate's Lauren, Yoda said that Qui-Gon said, that the secret to coming back from the dead is love.

So I'd explain the effect as a similar manifestation of the Force as Obi-Wan and Yoda's ghosts.

In the "Revenge Of The Jedi" draught script every hit of Force lightning that Palpatine chucked at Luke was deflected as a flash of Obi-Wan and Yoda's ghosts flashed in it path.

While I'm not suggesting that it might be effective if instead of getting a full flashback positive figures from Anakin's past appeared before him in rapid succession (almost subliminally) ending with Padme to create the impression of the Anakin side of Vader's persona rebuilding itself.

Good memories rather than bad ones would kill Vader and set Anakin free.

I was thinking of a few landing ships coming down as the panic starts and a few fighters clearing the area and taking out the local security, impressive as that view is it might be jewelling the guilded lilly to do something on that scale but I'm frequently wrong.

That's sort of what I meant, the equivalent of the CAA (or FAA in America) a state backed training school, licensing centre and administration for pilots (mostly commercial) but from which a standing Merchant Navy (air and sea would be somewhat merged in a Galactic Empire) would be pooled and pilots could be conscripted into the Imperial Starfleet from.

The high officer class even in the Clone Wars seemed to be non cloned and the Empire is much bigger than the Republic (they have a tighter control on outer rim planets like Tatooine which was untouched by the Republic) even before the Seperatists started leaving so I'd imagine they would take talent from wherever they could find it.

On a seperate note, there was apparently a few lines in TPM script that could be put back in an edit using JasonN's blacked out, voice masked Sidious hologram.

When the Trade Federation are fretting about the Senate ambassadors being Jedi Sidious says "You seem to be more worried about the Jedi than you are about me" he then delivers a Force Choke to one of them and warns, "My reach is greater than any Jedi".

mrbenja0618 said:

Darth Richard said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkhObw9IlnI

Here is that video for anyone interested.

 

That was excellent... It actually lends ideas to plot... It almost has an Incredible Hulk feel where it's Anakin trying to beat down the monster inside, not knowing it is inside of him. Nice.

So true!

It adds so much to the scene and it made me think of things I had never considered before like how awful it must be to not be in control of something as simple as breathing.

He really is locked into a walking tomb.

The music is good but I do keep expecting someone to break into a rendition of MacArthur Park (though I'm not sure if that is a bad thing "Oh Nooooooooooooooooooo!").

I did post something on topic but it didn't garner enough interest.

There isn't anything wrong with a thread going into suspended animation (so long as it survives the freezing process) until a relavent topic pops up or a new announcement is made.

Ady has a lot to do and a life to lead and there are plenty of other threads and projects to keep us interested in.

It would certainly be a good illustration of what is possible for people trying their own redux's of the PT.

ChainsawAsh said:

Small update:

The Purist audio worked out wonderfully - it actually blended in much more smoothly and easily than any other Revisited-to-mono-mix blending I've had to deal with on this whole project.  I'm very, very happy with it now.

DJ's GOUT video in the "dead end" sequence (replacing the random-ass hangar of the SE) works quite well as well, and with no color correction.

Now the tricky stuff - I've tried adding in the one Mos Eisley shot that was cut from the SE in place of the super-wide SE shot that included two rontos, but the GOUT quality - even DJ's cleaned up GOUT - is just too much of a drop, so I think the SE shot is staying (unfortunately).

I've also used DJ's GOUT to replace the alley search SE shot with the stupid floating droid.  This works better, but I'm still having trouble with the color correction - I'm nowhere near as good at that as Adywan is, despite Avid's very powerful color correction tools.

Other than that, there's nothing much to report.  I'm going to get to work on restoring the pre-SE version of the desert search ("Look, sir - droids!") next, but I imagine it's going to be quite difficult and labor-intensive to accomplish.  Fun stuff.

This may be considered sacrilege but could you consider adding a slight pause between "Look Sir!" and "Droids"?

The way the line has always been delivered cracks me up because I keep expecting Sarge to cock his gun and shout "Where?".

A slight pause might put the emphasis on the plating ring and the stormy then explains it's from a droid.

I wish Ady in ANH:R had used the line from the Radio version where the trooper says "It's a plating ring from a droid Sir" in a slightly less alarmed voice.

I understand that this version is trying to be more like the Star Wars we are all familiar with and I'd understand if you wanted to keep this classic line in all it's wacky glory but I thought I'd throw this in just incase it's something that might appeal to you.

If it doesn't I'll pop the idea onto the After Ady thread.

Sevb32 said:

TMBTM said:

TPM yoda puppet was made to be a "younger" version of Yoda, that's why he is different. Of course for a 970 year old guy, you don't change that much in 10 years I believe!

But it's true that he don't look much younger after all, just different.

 

But you might change a bit living in a swamp for 25 years!! It's akin to an old human going downhill the last 3 years of their life.

Regardless it was still a bit daft to expect a 900+Yr old to look physically that much different in a few decades (he might develop a cough and a bit of a limp in the late winter years of his life, though the limp seems to be put on going by his PT acrobatics).

This is starting to become less of a ESB topic and more of a PT topic so it might make sense to continue the subject over on the various PT threads.