While it is commendable that you show such loyalty to your close friend Darth Venal I'm sure he can speak for himself just as you can speak for yourself.
I look forward to seeing your matte work, especially in the context of this thread, the Bespin ones.
It would make sense to let Mr Ghostface speak for himself and try and keep this thread from being about one postee when it's meant to be about ANH:R.
Darth Venal said:I don't like cats. More of a dog person, myself.
Surely you're too young to be Warren Bennis?
Double Post, Sorry.
Scaash said:I was wondering why did you remove the Jabba scene was it really that bad? I mean it was meant to be in the movie from the very beginning just budget made it where they couldn't also they had not fully decided on what Jabba looked like. I enjoy all the changes but that one. But I am sure you have a good reason for it
It was largely redundant anyway as everything Jabba says Greedo has already said with a better punchline (specifically BANG! ).
I have made the suggestion elsewhere that the scene could possibly be reused if the subtitles were changed to say something new of significance that fitted with Han's replies but you are still stuck with the problem of what to do with that bloody tail.
It might be possible to halt Han let Jabba slither out of the way and then have him move on (it would be really difficult to get that to look right too).
And even after they replaced the awful 1997 CGI model they still got the colour and details wrong, it still doesn't look enough like Jabba from ROTJ.
Addressing all these concerns and finding a way of putting the scene in without interrupting the flow of the movie would be a real bugger.
Darth Venal said:Thanks.
No offence Bingowings, but you have a very combative tone yourself, you know. I'm sure Mr Ghostface asked for some rebuttal, but I don't think he's the only person on these boards who needs to chill out a little bit.
Still, onwards and upwards. Let's all try to get a lung.
Oh Darth, I'm a pussy cat, perhaps a tad abrasive when my danders up.
As I said over on the other thread no one has a problem with an expression of personal taste or opinion.
What upset a lot of people like myself was his basically saying that black was white and up was down.
While Ady has shown great magnanimity here in responding to those posts, Mr Ghostface started out saying that ANH:R was nothing special and that the praise heaped on it was down to our ignorance and then shifted it to say that video editing isn't that complicated.
These projects aren't just edits.
They are deconstructions and reconstructions of the original films with brand new elements of sound and vision and that is really, really hardwork.
Even someone who hates every single addition and subtraction has to recognise that it not easy to do what he has done.
What was said back then was the antithesis of saying it how it is.
But chin up Darth Venal you are here now and you will find us (on the whole) a very friendly and helpful bunch of souls so continue as you have started and when you are ready make our jaws drop when we see your work.
Darth Venal said:Of course it was helpful, very much so! I had to pass the technical stuff along to my rather more technically-minded mate; I'm great with editing decisions, but the technical/hardware side of it has always lost me. I've done some more mattes since those I showed you, very pleased with them indeed.
My main problem is I don't have a good enough source of the original material, so any work I do on original shots is limited. I really need to get my hands on a HD source :-( then I can really get to work.
How are you getting on, anyway?
Here you go : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-STAR-WARS-SAGA-1080P-AVCHD-DVD-9-for-PS3-Blu-Ray-players-Episode-1-available-now/topic/9536/
Ripplin said:I found my Star Wars cassette:
Notice how under the copyright years, it says FULL CREDITS INSIDE...
...and there are none whatsoever. Unless they're saying that C-3PO is responsible for everything! ;)
That Tony Daniels, I'll say this for him, at least he's consistent :-D
Ripplin said:Darth Venal said:Ripplin:Heh, that whole health spa thing is new to me. :p "How interesting!" That's just a SE thing, right?No, Ralph McQuarrie painted them 30 years ago, they just weren't used in the original movie, I don't think. The red tibana collector added was also from McQuarrie's original design, and I would keep it in.
Where is this from, then?
That's from the SE not the OUT version of ESB which is what Darth Venal was saying.
I like the refinery/collector thing too but Ady has made his reasons known and it's his project.
I use Skydrive myself but whatever host of choice the method is the same.
To link to a pic just paste and underline the link in the text, click on the little tree picture icon and adjust the settings accordingly in the form that pops up.
Darth Venal said:
Cool. I was more hoping that Adywan will feature one more prominently. I've added one to a new Bespin matte I did, but I need to really put one in motion rather than still. Don't know why but I always loved those spas!
I like the design, they have a touch of the Montgolfier brothers about them.
It would be great to see what you have done with them.
Darth Venal said:ADYWAN,
Will you be including any of those lovely yellow floating spas? I always loved that design, and it really helped sell Cloud City as a resort as well as a working installation.
Would love to see those.
By the way, that shot of your new ion cannon scene is beautiful. If there was one scene from Empire I would never think of touching, it would be that scene, but I love the matte work to give greater depth to the cannon location.
If you mean http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Floating_health_spa
They are still intact in the footage we've seen so far.
The refinery is going though.
Davnes007 said:Can it be modded, with a hole at either end?
...or...
Men wouldn't buy that...it's exercising the wrong body part.
...or...
I'd get one...but I'm afraid I'll chip my teeth. ;)
That's what she said....
I started that thread to counter any misunderstanding that Ady's version was the last word on ANH reworkings (there are a few more on the go now BTW).
It's an ideas thread and if you have ideas feel free to post them there, here isn't the place as it's a thread dedicated to ANH:R and Ady is finished with that project.
If you have a full project on the go start your own thread up.
I take it you have seen this enjoyable confection :
C3PX said:Hmm, interesting development...
I do hope we don't have another incarnation of the rule of two.
Darth Venal said:
I've just checked my version of Adwan's edit, and it's the Revisited one I think. I like some of the things he's done a lot, they're really great quality. Not sure about some other bits, but if that's his taste, then great. I can't wait to get some of my stuff uploaded to share. I'm about 30% of the way through a long shot (at least 10 seconds) of Alderaan slowly being destroyed, with a few ships trying to flee but being destroyed in the debris. I'm considering showing Bail Organa on one of the ships fleeing. It's partly inspired by the opening scene of Titan AE, except using new mattes of Alderaan (which match the original) and some borrowed (and recoloured) elements from Star Trek Generations. It's coming along really well, so I'll try to post some screenshots ASAP.
If you find yourself close to coming up with a full project of your own, start a thread about it you will find you will get a lot of people willing to help if you need it.
Until then you might consider posting some ideas on this thread specifically designed for people who want to continue working on ANH and make other projects from it (Adywan will not be revisiting ANH:R) :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Can-anything-else-be-done-to-ANH-after-Adywan/topic/10131/
Darth Venal said:Thanks for the welcome!
I'll probably keep any unenthusiastic comments to myself, because no matter how well-intended they are, you always get attacked for them. So I'll just be a background member, if that's okay. I've never been a fan of forums and rarely sign up, but this one is particularly interesting to me, as I've been doing some "revision" work myself.
Can anyone tell me the easiest way to post it? I'd love to hear what you guys think.
DV
I assure you it clearly isn't the case, all through the process of both ANH:R and ESB:R (not to mention all the other edits on these boards) people have spoken freely about what they like and didn't like about them.
But people who post arrogant or idle boasts, unsubstantiated claims and/or comments which are counter to the observable truth get the sharp end of many keen minds (you know like in the real world) ;-)
Both yourself and Mr Ghostface joined pretty much around the same time and you have had nothing but a warm welcome because you have been politely inquisitive.
Mr Ghostface came onto the boards and at first made observations both positive and negative about this project and was welcomed much the same way as you were.
When he claimed that this edit was nothing special and easy to do and that people who praise it did so out of ignorance, then the mood turned.
Anyone who has followed this thread knows that none of those things are true.
Express yourself fully but if you feel the urge to tell someone that years of hard work aren't anything special and the same results can be achieved without the effort you'd better be prepared to back that up with proof or perhaps you should hold off.
Ziz said:https://video.permint.com/320wide-DYNAMIC.swf?mediaid=597
Make your own jokes.
It's not as if men need something like this to exercise their wrists.
Bull-workers were targetted almost exclusively for men, what with all this talk of shake action and where the natural ingredients of milk shakes come from shouldn't this Just For Women item be called the Cow-worker?
I personally shall not be put off by the advert, it looks too good for just ladies to play with, cripes! shouldn't they be making a tiny version for babies, a Calf-Worker?
Darth Venal said:Hi there!
Yes I did, although I'm not sure if I saw the purist version I have read about. How would I know which one it was?
I thought some of the things in this version were excellent, some of them a bit so-so. Am I allowed to say that? One of the other posters seems a bit over-defensive.
But I liked it. Are there any other great fan edits you can recommend?
DV
The best way to figure out which version you saw is to look at the front page of this thread and see if the description matches (oh and look at how the version you saw was titled, the word Purist will no doubt feature there if that was the case).
And yes you are allowed to hold any opinion about any edit or project you see here but you may get a less than warm response if you make comments which are clearly counter to objective reality.
Have a good look around there is plenty of fun to be had, things to learn and things to do on here.
As for other edits and projects, that would pretty much be down to your tastes and interests.
I'm assuming that you are a Star Wars fan as you posted here first and there are not just edits but some really good documentaries and preservations in this section covering every Star Wars incarnation I can recall.
And over here http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Other-Fan-Edits-and-Preservation-Efforts/forum/11/ you will find threads covering all manner of other film and television projects.
Have a good wander and if in doubt send someone a private message most of the people on here are a helpful bunch.
Darth Venal said:
Being a whiny bitch
You call someone a whiny bitch and expect to be taken seriously?
Welcome to these boards Darth Venal, did you enjoy ANH:R?
Mr Ghostface said :
Definitive? If you think so, I'm happy for you. And about providing it for free, do remember that's piracy, won't you.
There is bound to be a seperate thread for discussing the legal standing of fan-edits in General Discussion (if not please start your own).
How is something blind praise when it's based on a visual (and audial) appraisal of a person's work? Surely blind praise would be to praise someone just for the sake of it without seeing what they have done.
I don't think ANH:R is the definitive version of the film (that was released in 1977 under the title of Star Wars) but it is a very impressive re-working and superior to both versions of the SE.
You seem to be under the impression that those who have negatively reacted against your comments (including myself) are doing so because we agree with every change Adywan made and don't care about making further changes in future reworkings.
This is not the case (and for those who do hold that opinion are as free to hold and express it as you are with yours).
What is irritating is your unsubstantiated claims that Ady's work is:
not all that special and some of the praise Adywan gets for it seems to be borne of an ignorance of how much simpler this is to do than a lot of people realise.
We all know that Adywan puts years of work into these projects and while we may not agree with every decision he makes, we can see the work and appreciate the effort.
And yes it is provided to us for free (we already own the official versions of these films and any new elements are either derived from those versions or are original to these versions).
If you truly think the same results can be achieved with less effort we would really like to know how (it would be a great benefit to all of us, especially Ady who would like to complete future projects without spending so much time and money).
If you are just making this stuff up, you deserve what you get in terms of negative comments (not that I think it worries you much).
Jonno said:I'd just like to state here, once and for all, that a SONG is a piece of music with VOCALS. The term does not apply to instrumental music, such as film scores - piece/track/cue is fine, but not song.
Now please pass this on to the rest of the internet k thx.
Actually a song doesn't even need music but it does need words ex :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Innocence_and_of_Experience
For me none of the music is scary as such but The Magic Tree is rather spooky especially with the sudden appearance of synthesised sounds (putting the piece out of the usual range of Star Wars Music), Padmé's Ruminations has some strange evocative sounds on there too.
If it's soundtrack music in general The Eggs (from Alien) and Night of the Electric Insects (The Exorcist) hit the mark every time.
Ok so it's not Gone With The Wind but surely this should be an inspiration to some of us on here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/8170551.stm
Nice to hear our old pal Wilhelm doing what he does best in the trailer.
