Bingowings

This isn't meant to be an insult Coov (infact it's what I really like about those designs).

The single background colour, single logo colour and framed artwork reminds me of the plastic lunch boxes and thermos flasks that were around when I was kid.

Do a nice Tupperware range, perhaps you could find a plastic transfer that could attach to a box that could hold all of the films and present the saga as a HD feast for the senses.

Mr Ghostface, in your response you once again failed to recognise that ANH:R is not a adjustment of Star Wars (1977) but an attempt to provide us with a better version of the so called Special Edition/s.

You also failed to answer my simple request.

If this sort of work is so easy please show us work that you have done that was simple and looks as good (and tell us how you did it while you are at it, that would be helpful).

If you aren't on here to help in anyway why are you here?

If you aren't prepared to back up you claims with hard evidence or your membership on this forum with some useful advice or projects of your own it's perfectly reasonable for us to surmise that you a useless fraudster and should be defenestrated from Castle OT.COM ASAP.

Go on!

Show us what you can do and we will take what you say seriously.

G E Predator said:

The list looks good...thought I don't think that R2-D2 needs to be redubbed.

I don't think he needs redubbing with human actors but he certainly needs redubbing (the oft mentioned R2 laughing his metal boobs off at the prospect of his friend getting a lobotomy in ROTS for just one example).

Does anyone know of a site which holds galleries of film certificates (specifically in my case the BBFC Certificates for the Star Wars Films)?

I'm trying to demonstrate what a viewing of Star Wars would be like for me in 1977 to my godson who has gone off Doctor Who (for the time being) and has gone Star Wars crazy.

I have the Rank advert blocks and a trailer for Close Encounters (can't think what the other films advertised would be).

But I would really like the certificate shown before the film started.

If they actual certificate cant be found if someone has a U certificate of that era I could make a mock up.

Gaffer Tape said:

That's actually an amazing idea!

Han Solo is not blind, he suffers from Bozeman's Simplex, a disease that causes him to see 25.62 times more than everyone else if you could see like Han does this is what you would be seeing right now :

I've recently been enjoying watching ADM's Extended Potter cuts, great stuff.

Has anyone ever attempted to alter the face of You Know Who... in the first film to make it look more like the Ralph Fiennes version?

I wonder if eventually any of the other lost scenes will turn up on a release (like the Peeves scene).

I think Ash is saying that a Mac Blu Ray burner matching his requirements exists but it is very expensive and he won't buy one until a reasonably affordable option becomes available.

fishmanlee strikes me as someone who is either very, very young, without English as a first language or really struggling with basic language/communication skills as often his posts make very little sense to me (as do some of his edit choices). He doesn't seem naturally articulate and would benefit from really looking at what he writes (and makes) before posting it for public view.

Ady you have been under a lot of strain and a lot of physical discomfort recently. Silly posts (like those posted over on the ANH:R thread) are bound to make even the most patient person a little more susceptible to comments which get an already sore back up.

You are putting so much work into these projects and this is your thread but respectfully I think a private message, a click of an ignore button on your youtube account and possibly similar action on here would make life easier for yourself.

I always click on if I see a comment from you because I want to keep up with your progress on this edit and if I can help in my limited way.

The best way to avoid the hassle that comes from a conflict is to avoid the conflict and one of the great things about the internet (unlike the real world) is that you can make the other side vanish with a wave of a magic ignore wand.

For people who enjoy stirring up and watching a scrap, I recommend video games or perhaps sports matches because the participants are either not real or well paid.

It might be funny to do a spoof version of the conference with jelly, cakes, balloons and little paper hats, thus justifying the "this party is over" line.

Rhikter said :

Agreed. I think that after 3PO get's his head knocked off we should not see him again until R2 his putting him back together.

I wouldn't even have that.

Either I'd remove Threepio altogether or I'd have him fall into the bowels of the droid factory and when R2 rescues him they find a means of alerting the Jedi to their position.

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

the whole PT has so much that sets my teeth on end

So...your teeth don't stand on end? Can I see a picture? Medical oddities are always interesting. ;)

 

By teeth I mean the few I have remaining due to a bizarre genetic misshap (my sister and her girls they have more teeth each than one mouth can deal with) photographic evidence is restricted to preserve the sanity of the readership of this organ.

Mace looks great in his pilot's chair (sure it takes some surprise out of his turning up in time but we know he is on his way already anyway).

Perhaps it would work better if we saw the Jedi entering the system before the Arena battle began leaving the lead up free to follow with the anticipation building up in the background (keeping the audience thinking "Mace where are you?").

Nice to see poor Threepio with his dignity maintained too.

Kind of missing the Jengo fight but it never made sense (like Boba, I never understood why a bounty hunter would act as a body guard. his role in life is to find people for money).

It would be very difficult to do but it would be a much more dramatic entrance to have the Jedi land in the arena shoot up the intial threat of the destroyer droids on the way down and jump out of their fighters (like Anakin and Obi-Wan do in ROTS).

If the Jedi were that good at sneaking into a crowded arena I think there would have been more standing by the time the clones showed up.

A massive improvement none the less.

As I said before we don't know which episodes that aren't recorded as written by RTD but were completely rewritten by him, something he freely admits to doing but for contractual reasons (probably) he can't disclose which ones he did.

Large chunks of RTD dialogue were dropped into stories by other writers to feed the build up to his finales which have got progressively worse with each season.

When people credit RTD for bringing back Doctor Who they tend to forget that Rose (a really awful episode only made watchable by Ecclestone's performance and the novelty of having the show back) did just as well (in terms of viewers and audience response) as the Paul McGann movie and the show at it's lowest point (budget slashed to next to nothing, stuck against Constipation Street with a BBC Director General desperate to kill the show ) was still pulling in the sort of audience figures that Torchwood or The Sarah Jane Adventures get now.

The person who really brought the show back was Julie Gardner who cut through the red tape holding back the nonsense of not bringing back a show that should never have gone away in the first place.

The British public always had a love affair with the character and the show, the viewing figures only went down when it was poorly served by the BBC (red lights should have been flashing when Michael Grade started his antiWho campaign when going out with the lead actor's estranged wife).

Somewhere there is an alternate universe where the show came back without RTD and I dare say it would be just as successful.

Somewhere there is a better alternate universe where in the mid eighties the production team wrote stories that could be made with the budget they had without the look and feel of panto and it never went off air.

I don't loath RTD as a producer (he has been great at maintaining a high profile for the show and securing funding) or even as a script editor but for someone who went out of his way to write the bulk of the stories during his tenure he just isn't that good a writer of stories, especially when fantasy/science fiction gives him an excuse to drop the ball in terms of story logic ( he is sometimes great at dialogue though).

Pointing to the Classic Who Hall Of Shame doesn't let him off the hook, I'd rather watch Timelash for all it's silliness than something as teeth grindingly awful as Journey's End or Last Of The Time Lords.

Other news :

http://www.seenit.co.uk/tom-baker-discusses-return-to-doctor-who/073872/

Don't you believe it!

There is a large amount of people who were 9 or 10 when TPM came out and see the original version as their PT in the same way that some people cringe at the idea of any dramatic changes to ROTJ.

Personally I find ROTJ just as troublesome as the PT (in some ways more so because it's the only blot on the OT where as the whole PT has so much that sets my teeth on end).

When Ady started ESB:R he thought it would be relatively straight forward compared with ANH:R but it looks like this time round there has been even more work put into it.

People on the whole praise Ady for actually doing a better job of producing a special edition of ANH than Lucas did (twice).

If it is so easy to do why aren't there more edits like ANH:R?

The answer being (as most people on here who have tried it will back up) it's not easy at all, it's time consuming, labour intensive hard work which is shared with us for free. So frankly any ignorance is on your part Mr Ghostface. If you seriously think it's that simple (if it is we who are labouring under a delusion here) show us what you have done that was as good and didn't take much effort.

When someone gives you something this good and doesn't charge you for it and doesn't try to remove the previous versions from distribution (in fact encourages people to purchase them) that deserves praise.

The same goes for all the other people who either create edits or contribute to them from behind the scenes.

What made this project special was the sheer amount of hard graft that went into it.

This wasn't just an edit of subtraction but also of addition of carefully chosen (and often personally crafted) elements.

A few editors had tried this before but never (as far as I know) to this scale, please point out examples if I am wrong.

If you haven't got anything in the way of positive suggestions or any projects of your own to show us, what have you got to offer?

Why are you here?

I can't understand the sort of person who goes out of their way to join a forum to just point at something and say, "Pfff, that's not so good" without actually pointing out what would make it better.

It's not IMDB here, this is a place where people either make things or help people make things.

Can you do that?

Mr Ghostface said:

 

Well, now you do. And every single friend of mine who watched it spotted it right away. For one thing, it still has the tint that the effects in Empire have, which is slightly blue, whereas in A New Hope the Star Destroyer shots have a warmer temperature to them, and they are very distinct. But yes, he just lifted effects from elsewhere in the trilogy and composited them together, with mixed results.

As I said earllier Ady flipped an element, short of building a large scale Star Destroyer model (which was beyond his means back then but by ROTJ:R who knows?) that was all he could do.

Which is at least more creative than flipping whole shots which Lucas does again and again even in the PT.

If you can think of ways to improve on this it would make sense to post them on the thread I directed to as Ady has gone on record that he won't be doing any more versions of ANH:R other people may and indeed are building on his work in other projects in various directions and leave your comments there may help those people produce a version that you are more happy with.

Don't forget the IG-88 that was moments away from taking over the second Death Star?????

On second thoughts....

It's really just a nerd problem and as a self confessed nerd it's not that much of a problem for me.

IG-88 looks like a single purpose piece of military (or paramilitary) kit so it seems a bit odd that there is one of his kind (whatever the colour) in a scrap yard on an industrial colony.

But then what is a slave boy doing building a protocol droid for his mother on a desert planet when she'd be better of with an ice-cream maker?

I'd imagine that as a visual sign of reperations after the Clone Wars the Seperatist droids would have been re-programmed to work on reconstruction. I could also imagine that civilians of former Seperatist world would be used a slave labour along those lines too.

The Death Star being (as of the PT) a former Seperatist weapons project may have used Geonosian and Neimodian tech and machinery in it's construction (a bit like Project Paperclip).

Assuming that the same machines used to build the first Death Star built the second there could be a long legacy of PT tech in the OT era.

I can't see a place where it would fit into ESB:R though.

In the on going spirit of change it looks as if the sonic screwdriver is getting a make over too :

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-series-new-tardis-new-sonic.html

It kind of makes sense that a general purpose droid like a Treadwell would be junked in an industrial community like Cloud City (there would be lots of them and eventually they would wear down beyond the point of economically viable repair).

Equally a place like Cloud City would get alot of visitors who's ships may need repairing and having a starship wall panel recycled sort of fits.

But it's a bit odd that they would have a couple of battle droids there (it's not an military site, it's not a bounty hunter's den like Jabba's Palace, a good case could be made for swapping some of the droids in EV-9D9's torture chamber for the battle droids here).

As I said before it's not as annoying as seeing the medical droids sitting in on the Rebel Briefing but it does feel a bit odd.

I suppose it could be argued that the IG droid and the 4-LOM looky-likey aren't battle droids and the the bounty hunters just modified a pre-existing model to serve their purposes.

And as the IG series are only identified as specifically built battledroids in the EU I guess it's easy to rationalise it in those terms.

IG-88 does look like a hard arsed piece of military kit though (much more than the battledroids in the PT do), I can't really visualise it cutting lawns or cleaning windows.

It's only really a concern for people who have seen the film so many times that they notice stuff like this.

I suppose as background 'salute' to ANH:R detractors the IG-88 could be replaced with a Imperial Torture droid with a burnt out electro-needle ;-)

Or less contentiously with a more anonymous piece of junk.

Some people like it being there as it could suggest some kind of hidden back story.

Personally I think it's a slightly less annoying manifestation of the same stage dressing laziness that put FX-7 and 21B in the Rebel briefing scene in ROTJ.

They built something so they wanted to get mileage out of the prop regardless of logic.

Doc1980 said:

Sadly I think it might be dead.  Haven't heard from Jambe in a while and it's been quite a while in the making.

Doc, as much as I love that Boba Fett picture it is a bit distracting seeing it pop up all the time, it would make a nice avatar but it might need taking down in size a bit if it's going to be a signature.

I'm sure Jambe's working hard on things, his projects are a lot of hard work and like the best things in the world they are worth the wait.

I disagree with most of your points Mr Ghostface (though I too am not much of a fan of the electro-needle I think it's one of the few things Ady isn't really happy about).

I really prefer the restored original order of the scene in Ben's Hut, to these ears it flows more naturally and makes more narrative sense (Artoo has risked life and limb to get this message to Obi-Wan so it makes sense that he would deliver the message ASAP).

It's hard to be critical of Adywan for using a flipped element of a Star Destroyer when Lucas so liberally flips whole shots in his films.

As for praise, it's not easy to breath new life into a film that is so familiar and Ady pulled it of with such aplomb adding so much in an artform that has mostly been one of subtraction that it would be frankly daft not to applaud such a landmark.

ANH:R isnt meant to be the ultimate version of Star Wars (1977) this site was set up to try and get the best possible presentation of that film. It is a much better version of the Special Edition than the one Lucas gave us in 1997 and the slightly reworked version he gave us in 2004 and as such Ady fufilled his mission statement.

If you have any suggestions as to how ANH could be adjusted further please leave your observations on this thread http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Can-anything-else-be-done-to-ANH-after-Adywan/topic/10131/

And if you haven't already done so I suggest you check out the Purist edition which has all the clean ups but less of the editions you note an objection to.

Agreed but he does have a very recognisable formula that could become a bit stale if he sticks to it too rigidly.

I hope that Moffat is a bit more daring and open with chosing stories from other writers than RTD was.

RTD tended to pick a writing team (who were much of the same mind as him or they didn't last long) and if they didn't tow the line he freely admits to rewriting the whole episodes (we may never know how many he actually did write).

The show used to be at it's best when it had an open house style and picked stories rather than writers.

And I wish they would drop the Doctor in love thing, he's a bit old for all that hair pulling and running around.

I'd prefer to wait for a product worth the full DVD quality treatment.

Like dark_jedi said the final product should be worth the download and viewing on a big screen.

So from me I say take the time to make something you are proud to present to everyone, if the final product is rushed and still rough some of the tough detraction you have had recently will come across as justified.