Bingowings

Has anyone got any further with this as it seems like a whole lot of fun?

I know the idea was posted onto other sites but there seems to be no moves here.

The eighties titles are a great laugh.

I did tape off the telly a BBC Antiques Roadshow Star Wars special from 1997ish I think (Aunty Beeb was putting out quite a bit of Lucas related shows back then).

I'll have a rummage around in my cabinet of stangeness and see if I can find it.

I can't see in on Youtube or anything.

Double Post....Sorry.

It does but the problem is the manner of the kick itself.

If you compare it to Maul's kicks in TPM, which seem like genuine martial arts moves, it's almost a comical distortion of anatomy to have a now seasoned Jedi taken down by a backwards shin kick which Dooku delivers from below his knee.

It's almost as if he has for some inexplicable reason Dooku decided to stand on one leg and Anakin has just run into his foot.

When Maul boots Obi-Wan in the face it's still a surprise but it looks more deliberate.

I wish we could rotoscope some moves from early Jackie Chan movies because even when the action sways close to the comical it still feels physically plausible.

I was aware of those edits through reading all these threads (I knew that DE's was  a major influence on Ady) but I hadn't seen them I've seen so many TPM edits that it's kind of burned that film beyond even my endurance levels so I want to keep viewings of OT variations as  a special treat.

For those who have seen them are there any alterations unique to those projects which are worthy of reinsertion?

I've been working on alternatives for the needle on the probe droid, I'm not a fan of the Ady's electro-needle, needles in general seem too of this world and the position on the droid seems too close to it's body to practically use (it would have to do a Phantasm sphere on Leia to inject anything).

As I posted before my instincts are to remove the needle alltogether and focus on the red light dent on the bottom (possibly making it posable).

I'll post some rough mockups when I get the chance.

If you want to start a project start a project thread and I'm sure that many of the people on here will join up and help you.

For the last time, this is not a project thread it's an IDEAS thread, people post ideas that anyone with a project in mind can use.

If you want to illustrate one of the ideas on this thread go ahead but please no more off topic posts.

If you have an idea that may further enhance ANH feel free to post it otherwise please stop posting here.

Akwat Kbrana said:

ABC said:

Well, that's this discussion point that I don' t understand. Sorry. You could talk during years and so... What's happening during that time ?

Allow me to go a bit more far and to propose an extention to the thread title:

Can anything else be done to ANH after Adywan, and who's gonna do it ? (!)

... Because that's the question that comes in my mind when I see this topic... Unless you're working on it yet, Bingo. So pease, let me ask.

 

I don't see what there is to be so worked up over. This is a discussion forum. The point of this thread is to discuss what further edits and cuts to ANH might be attempted. Exactly who's going to attempt the edit is despite the point; the discussion is taking place for the benefit of anyone who might attempt such an edit.

On the nosey Akwat Kbrana.

Extending the thread title the way you suggest ABC is entitely against the point of the thread, which is to make suggestions that anyone can choose or reject to choose.

If you have any suggestions of that kind this is a place to post them.

DarthBo said:

You mean like the Darth Editous "de-specialed" and ADigitalMan/DarthEditous Hybrid?

I'm unfamiliar with those edits did they add elements new to this film in the same way that Adywan did?

De-specialed suggests more of a restoration of OUT using the SE as a source to these eyes?

The rationale behind the Vulture Fighters was that if a droid is piloting a ship why not have the ship a droid, that makes sense in terms of story logic so why in the name of Zarquon do the battledroids talk to each other at all (why do they drive battletanks too surely the tanks should be robots)?

It makes sense that they talk to humans and aliens, it makes sense that a protocol droid would talk to a droid too (it's good manners so it makes sense within their idiom) but battledroids talking to each other?

I would prefer it personally if the droids communicated to each other in computer gibberish (like the probe droids) and in English when speaking to people and aliens (and preferably in a manner that is slightly less comical than even in TPM).

I bet it isn't THE worst movie ever made.

Is it worse than say...Street Fighter The Movie?

I meant by restructuring, taking model, matte and design elements and replacing background elements (like starfields) adding foreground elements (like the lasers and model elements unique to that version), removing elements like the Ronto's and remixing the sound and score.

The Ben's Hut scene (after colour correction, sound balancing and the addition of the missing table ornament) was mostly an editing job.

Nobody (to my knowledge) had tried that before which is why Adywan is mentioned in the thread title.

If a film is a structure composed of elements then this one has been extensively rebuilt in ANH:R.

ABC Adywan is mentioned in the title of this thread because nobody else as yet as attempted to do the sort of restructuring of the SE that he achieved.

That doesn't mean that ANH:R is the last word on attempting something of this nature which is why I started this thread.

If you haven't anything to add to the thread that is in keeping with it's stated purpose could you please not post here.

Otherwise please stay on topic.

Over on the Prequel Radical Redux thread I posted requests for ideas on how the battledroid speak could be changed.

Obviously re-dubbing would be a good way of changing the tone of how they act in the PT and the Clone Wars series.

So there is a nice challenge for you guys to pick up is you should want it.

Getting around the background music and sound effects problem is going to be a bit of a bind but it would be interesting to see what you come up with.

Please post examples on that thread too as it might provide inspiration for other editiors.

Could we please now get this thread back on topic as it is about identifying further alterations/enhancements to the SE and not about OUT or how great (or not) ANH:R is?

Bizarre as it may seem I think the idea of this thread is a good one regardless of the track record it's originator.

It gives people small projects to work on, people can expand on rough versions by developing new effects etc so I'm Ok with the thread.

And as a rough video mockup Veers death gives a very basic idea of what it might look like.

As for the Lightsaber construction reconstruction (on top of adding my voice to the call for credit the source) I refer the honorable genteman to the answer I gave him sometime ago :

Bingowings said:

Audio drama requires expositional dialogue to explain physical actions (because we can't see it).

Visual drama doesn't, it shows you the physical actions.

Merging these two together gives you the worst of both worlds, visual drama which isn't visual  and is bogged down with expositional dialogue.

Besides the saber building itself spoils the surprise of the Trojan horse in Artoo.

All you would need to see would be Luke doing something near Artoo and perhaps his hatch shutting (like Leia putting the plans in him in ANH).

Which is why I moved the idea into Ben's hut because Ben would have the tools and books and merged it with Ben's ghost finishing the story about Anakin (bookending him starting the story in ANH).

It also looks (and I know this is rough) like Mark has hiccups and I can't see a way around that without not showing his face.

With Adywan letting slip that the battledroids will be speaking in PT:R, I suppose now would be a good time for discussing what the voices could be like in edits and how frequently they should talk.

Whould they use probe droid like noises when communicating to each other and English when speaking to human characters?

What should the tone be (comedic, menacing, neutral)?

This may be a handy topic for discussion and experimentation for lots of editors (not to mention the dub artists collective).

ABC said :

Hey guys, stop asking, stop talking: DO or DO NOT ! Words are wind.

Sharing ideas is a good way to assist people in the doing, there have been some really good concepts kicked around on the various ideas threads, some of which have been picked up and others may be picked up in the future.

hairy_hen said:

I agree with ABC: this topic is nuts.

Star Wars the original is practically perfect as is, even with minor fx mistakes, and messing with it further only hurts the movie.  The most anyone should ever have done with it visually is remove matte lines and garbage boxes and so forth.  Nothing else, please!

ABC said:

>> Can anything else be done to ANH after Adywan? <<

... Yes: the same on blue-ray !

 

I think this topic is crazy. :)

We all want the original versions of these films available to the highest possible standard to purchase (it's why most of us joined up here in the first place).

But Lucas himself opened the door when he himself started making changes.

As a version of the SE (not Star Wars 1977) ANH:R is the best incarnation I've seen so far but it's not the last word on reworking the SE idea into something that corrects errors, adds a few flourishes and fits the tone of the story better.

It's an ideas thread for people who want to do that, therefore it's only a crazy topic if you don't want to do that, in which case why post on thread?

There are threads already for discussing the pros and cons of the SE.

My view is that if a SE exists already we might as well try and make it better than the two Lucas put out, that does undermine the call for getting the original versions released one jot.

I disagree Mr V, the red droid (formally known as R2D2) veers to the left and the new head is following the track of R2 in the next shot.

I really do think that the confusion is caused by over familiarity with the original (flawed) material.

I've tried this out on someone not that familiar with the original footage and they instantly identified the blue droid at the front as R2 and not noticed the red one until it was pointed out and the change explained.

The R2 unit colour variations like the one used here is more a PT thing which might add to the sensation of "something is wrong with picture".

There is a R2 unit right at the beginning of the Mos Eisley sequence that has a white dome with white panels and a green frame thing for the eye (please excuse the crudity of this mock-up) :

If a colour scheme like that were used it would make the droid look even less like R2 and push the impression even further away.

++UPDATE++

I posted the above before I saw the alternate view and which shows the original droid was never Artoo in the first place.

There are similar R2 units in the other films,

maybe a more dramatic colour change would get around the problem. There was one R2 unit that was almost white on almost white (I can't remember where)

1anakin said : The hand that Obi-Wan cuts off, it looks to dead for just being cut off, it looks like rock.

That's Ady's hand, I'm not sure if he adjusted the colour to look like a dead limb but like the original actor and myself he is British and we don't get much of an opportunity to tan over here (perhaps it should look a bit tanned because of the desert planet setting but the character is an alien so maybe his species just doesn't tan).

The planet is a real one, possibly the only real one in any Star Wars film (it's a HD NASA photograph of Earth). That in itself would be no excuse if it didn't look good, I don't have a problem with it but I'm open to look at different varieties.

I personally don't have a problem with the red R2 Unit, maybe a little bit more variety in the markings could make it look even more like a different droid but it's possible you have seen the film so many times that you expect to see R2D2 there.

Star Wars isn't really Science Fiction though, it's space fantasy, Sinbad with laser swords.

If anything it's less Science Fiction than something like Krull.

As a compendium of lots of genres and the set pieces having a When World's Collide catalclysm before the beam hits is no more out of place than sound in space and all the other lapses in Sci-Fi realism.

The only real consideration is does it detract from the pace and over all impact of the story and there is a really good arguement for that.

vbangle said :

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It depends on the provider, the one I currently use doesn't have any download limit surcharge (providers I have used in the past did) so it makes no difference if I'm using a torrent or checking my e-mail I still pay the same amount (though the part of central Scotland I'm in has lousy connection speeds).

I still have to keep the computer running so that's more on the electricity bill.

Cripes, don't get me going about my days as an art student or I'll sound like a one man Four Yorkshiremen Sketch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Yes, I suppose so and it's mostly hollow compared to rocky moons which are much more dense (therefore less mass per exciting space opera volume unit) but if Star Wars is as much Science Fiction as something like When Worlds Collide it might make for good drama.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story

Wouldn't the sudden arrival of something as big as the Death Star into the Alderaan have noticable tidal and atmospheric effects?

That alone would create panic.