RicOlie_2 said:
TV’s Frink said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Lord Haseo said:
Well at least to me a fetus is not really a person yet. Also let’s not forget that some abortions are for women impregnated by their rapist so in that case I think it’s definitely justified to get an abortion.
What makes a person a person? Who decides what falls under that definition? Is it justifiable to subject a fetus to the kind of pain that they experience during an abortion? Would not the same done to another non-person, such as a puppy, be considered horrific cruelty?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/07/fetal_pain_is_a_lie_how_phony_science_took_over_the_abortion_debate/
Interesting, though you may want to get in the habit of finding more credible sources, not tabloids, to substantiate your claims, like:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201429&resultclick=1
(The first Google result when I searched “fetal pain”).
Partial-birth abortions are still pretty horrific. I also suspect that people would think it cruel to perform saline injections on fish, or to cut them to pieces while they are still living, despite their inability to feel pain in the way we do.
In the case of rape, why is it justifiable to end a third party’s life (that of a not fully developed human being who is completely dependent on his mother, but that also describes a one-year old) because they are a product of violence done to you?
Do you eat meat? Those animals feel more pain that most of the aborted fetuses, which are done at 20 weeks or earlier. How can you justify ending those animal’s lives simply for your pleasure?
I think their lives should be ended as painlessly as possible. Note that without human protection, these animals would have to deal with the far more painful diseases and carnivorous animals, such as wolves, that nature has to offer.
Look up fish pain and you will get very mixed results, follow the trail one way and you get animal rights activists follow it in the other direction and you will find the fishing industry. Science is divided. All I can say is anything emotionally that humans do can be seen in the animal kingdom. Even some higher skilled activity like engineering can be found in the arachnid and insect worlds. Genuine cruelty like cetaceans torturing seals to something like this https://youtu.be/ntIBAzO3xV8 convinced me that the only difference of significance between us and other animals is we can write down our thoughts and share them down the generations. A Zygote feels no pain a more developed fetus does but it can’t suffer. Clearly a penguin can suffer. A penguin therefore is more of a person than a human fetus.