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#1424712
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Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Hoop28 said:

BedeHistory731 said:

G&G-Fan said:

His whole channel is overanalyzing things in the search for misogyny where none exists.

That and taking so long in between uploads it’d make Fredrik Knudsen/Atrocity Guide blush. Except your average Fredrik Knudsen video has five times the research that Pop Culture Detective does and is invariably more engaging. Why watch another “these movies don’t like women and are therefore bad” video when I can learn about the Austrian Wine Poisoning, the Dolphin House, Deep Blue, the HaseKara Calamity/doxing saga, or TempleOS?

Pop Culture Detective got popular because he was on the “good” side of GamerGate, not because of any serious talent as a video essayist. While I do like some of his videos and agree with a lot of his points (e.g., why prison rape jokes are terrible), he’s hardly a standout.

But back on topic. My suggestions for little edits to better blend OT and PT would be to add back in the “this Sith Lord, sent by the Emperor, will be our undoing” line into ANH, the aforementioned Obi-Wan line tweaks, and maybe a little vision sequence in ROTJ to include a slight ROTS throwback (so Luke knows the face of young Anakin/Padme’s name). That way, an upgraded Hayden ghost (i.e., no Shaw body and a more wholesome smile) and Vader saying “Padme once thought as you do.” makes sense.

These are really good ideas, I especially like the one about adding Tagge’s Sith namedrop to ANH. Has anyone been able to find HD footage of that scene? I’ve only been able to find the hand-held celebration camera footage.

I think it made its way into some Lost Cut footage, with far cleaner audio. It’s from the same camera set-up as Tagge’s later shot in the conference room scene, so it could be as easy as animating his lips to match the words.

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#1424334
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Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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G&G-Fan said:

His whole channel is overanalyzing things in the search for misogyny where none exists.

That and taking so long in between uploads it’d make Fredrik Knudsen/Atrocity Guide blush. Except your average Fredrik Knudsen video has five times the research that Pop Culture Detective does and is invariably more engaging. Why watch another “these movies don’t like women and are therefore bad” video when I can learn about the Austrian Wine Poisoning, the Dolphin House, Deep Blue, the HaseKara Calamity/doxing saga, or TempleOS?

Pop Culture Detective got popular because he was on the “good” side of GamerGate, not because of any serious talent as a video essayist. While I do like some of his videos and agree with a lot of his points (e.g., why prison rape jokes are terrible), he’s hardly a standout.

But back on topic. My suggestions for little edits to better blend OT and PT would be to add back in the “this Sith Lord, sent by the Emperor, will be our undoing” line into ANH, the aforementioned Obi-Wan line tweaks, and maybe a little vision sequence in ROTJ to include a slight ROTS throwback (so Luke knows the face of young Anakin/Padme’s name). That way, an upgraded Hayden ghost (i.e., no Shaw body and a more wholesome smile) and Vader saying “Padme once thought as you do.” makes sense.

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#1424328
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Idea: OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Anakin Starkiller said:

It makes me think of Pop Culture Detective’s video on the flaws of the Jedi Order.

You mean he made a video that wasn’t about characters’ sexual misconduct?

He did! Shocking, I know. He did read a fair bit of misogyny into the prequels, claiming that they had the subtext of “women lead men to ruin” or something similar. It’s… a bit of a hot take.

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#1419443
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The Unpopular Film, TV, Music, Art, Books, Comics, Games, & Technology Opinion Thread (for all you contrarians!)
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The 25-year import law (read: a car has to be 25 years or older for it to be imported into the US) is a good rule. It’s fun to see the speculator market around vintage Japanese vehicles go crazy when a new model year gets “unlocked.” It makes the random Kei car or odd sight (like a Toyota Century or Toyota Sera) more fascinating.

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#1419161
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Star Wars Episode IX (was) to be directed by Colin Trevorrow - DUEL OF THE FATES RIP
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SparkySywer said:

Hey, man… the Book of Henry was awful, but DotF was still better than TRoS.

Let’s just say Treverrow said stuff that made me doubt his competence with the franchise.

From a Slashfilm interview in 2018:

“It’s a foundational myth. It’s a noble ghost story. Where a character lives on after death in order to guide a hero to find their strength and defeat ultimate evil. And structurally, I can’t…but you’re gonna print this, unfortunately. I’m saying this now. But the way that I look at movies, I do see Avatar and Titanic and Jurassic World [as] very similar movies. Henry was Obi-Wan Kenobi. And he died in the middle. And he left a set of instructions on how to take out the Death Star where Darth Vader was holding a Princess captive. And at the very end, when he had the target in his sights, he had to remember his training. Guided by this ghostly voice. And then Han Solo comes in with the Rube Goldberg machine and gives him the moment. And ultimately the Princess saves herself.”

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#1392917
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Telion said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Let’s just say Cobb Vanth removed the voice-altering settings from the OOT/Revisited.

One what does that mean.^^

Did you watch the premiere of this season of The Mandalorian? If not, Fett’s armor fell into new hands. The guy who owned it then, Cobb Vanth, might have tweaked the helmet’s voice modulation settings. That would explain the difference in voices.

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#1392873
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Why I Love Prequel Yoda (and what I think people get wrong)
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The BCS example may not have been the best (since Walt never appears), but it is one of the few prequels that actually enhances the work instead of being terrible. We get a better understanding of the fictional world and just about every character outside of Walt’s family. Heck, it can reframe both shows as Jimmy McGill’s rise and fall through three key figures (Chuck McGill, Lalo Salamanca, and Walt).

StarkillerAG said:

I much preferred getting some actual answers on how the Empire rose and Anakin became Darth Vader.

As would I, but I’d prefer if episode order worked and we saw Anakin’s fall without knowing that he’s Vader. Give Obi-Wan a second (also fallen) pupil, maybe turn Vader into a name carried by multiple Sith apprentices, etc. there were ways to show Anakin’s fall while preserving the twists. However, by making the PT with the assumption that you’ve seen the OT, they aren’t nearly as enjoyable.

Heck, Yoda not appearing in the PT would be an excellent way to play with expectations of OT fans. Knowing who Yoda is makes his exile from the order more emotionally powerful. What could’ve happened to make the Jedi exile the wise Yoda? Well, look at Windu and the state of the order. Having other twists like that for a release order viewing would be fantastic, while preserving the validity of episode order.

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#1392783
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Why I Love Prequel Yoda (and what I think people get wrong)
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I’d prefer an episode-order experience without spoilers for the OT. I’m sorry, but I’d prefer it if they worked in episode-order fashion, if only because release order just makes one disappointed more than anything. Granted, my order is the last 30 minutes of R1-ANH-ESB-ROTJ-Good episodes of TCW and Rebels-TLJ, but that’s my approach.

Better Call Saul would be my ideal model for a prequel. Watching Better Call Saul first doesn’t totally spoil the other show (aside from us knowing more about Mike, Gus, and Saul/Jimmy/Gene - but nothing that’s an immersion-breaking spoiler). Heck, the experience of Breaking Bad gets enhanced by BCS (i.e., Walt seems more powerful/lucky in his actions). I never get that with the PT. If the prequels had taken the Better Call Saul approach in regards to “spoilers,” “assumptions,” and “keeping things consistent,” I’d have preferred that.

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#1392770
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Why I Love Prequel Yoda (and what I think people get wrong)
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G&G-Fan said:

Imagine thinking that Yoda just not ever involving himself into anything is more interesting. That would definitely make him quite hypocritical when he says “Do, or do not, there is no try”. He doesn’t say, “You’re better off just watching everything bad happen from a distance and not do anything about it.” Him knowing Anakin more personally is way more impactful and makes for a better narrative, instead of him just sitting out as the entire galaxy goes to shit. Like wow, what a great hero.

Well then, maybe it should be that he can’t go back, because he’d be arrested and killed if he ever returned (either by the Jedi or by the Republic/Empire). He wanted to go back and help, but he knew the Jedi wouldn’t accept his help and that he could not face these threats head-on. Maybe he’s a bit more pragmatic, seeing a frontal assault on the Emperor as a terrible idea. If he falls, there are few-to-no options left.

He doesn’t really need to know Anakin either, since he has clairvoyant abilities that he’s honed over a long lifespan. He can pick up the gist of what happens through his remaining connections to the Jedi (i.e., Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and the people who exiled him).

It’s not the EU that “rehabilitated” them, he just learned between the movies. It’s established in Revenge of the Sith that he became Qui-Gon’s apprentice, it doesn’t take much to realize that the change in his character between the prequels and the originals was because his perspective changed during his exile. There’s not even any EU stuff that covers what Yoda did between ROTS and ESB. Guess who also had character development between films? Luke, between ESB and ROTJ.

True, but I think it enhances Yoda’s stock as a character if he wasn’t a part of the Jedi during the Clone Wars or during the fall of the Jedi. He’s an “alternate path” for Luke, a contrast to Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan tried to work within the crumbling Jedi system and screwed up, while Yoda’s teachings cannot provide the full story. Therefore, Luke takes the third option - his own interpretations of his masters’ lessons combined with his life experiences.

He didn’t say “Don’t underestimate the Emperor’s ability to manipulate people”, he said “The powers of the Emperor.” It’s a clear foreshadowing to his force lightning anyway, as the moment Luke lets his guard down and underestimates the Emperor, he gets attacked by force lightning. Force lightning is the payoff to all the talk of the Emperor being someone you don’t underestimate. And Yoda knew this, because force lightning was how he lost.

It could also be that he read about that power and knows that powerful Sith lords can use it. He could have seen it through the Force or dealt with a dark side pupil that tried to adopt this ability. He doesn’t need first-hand knowledge.

While the force is still very spiritual in the prequels, the overall quality of the fights and styles of combat in AOTC and ROTS really lose me. It just feels a lot more “fake,” in a way that I can’t really articulate. I get the whole “Jedi at the height of their power” thing, but the fighting doesn’t nearly have the same emotional resonance (IMHO) as it did in the OT or ST (or even the animated shows).

I also maintain that the biggest flaw with the prequels is a fundamental one: they were made with the assumption that people have seen the OT. Getting them to work in episode order requires writing them with the assumption that nobody has seen the OT.