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Z6PO said:

CatBus said:

canofhumdingers said:

What’s wrong with the romance between Han and Leia? Their back and forth banter is one of the oft-cited strengths of the film, and I agree. Their chemistry on screen is really fun and engaging.

It’s basically the “boy sexually harasses girl until she gives in” storyline.
It hasn’t aged well that’s for sure. In fact, Harrison Ford movies from the eighties haven’t aged well, as explained in this video: Predatory Romance in Harrison Ford Movies

Agreed. I’m not sure I’d go that far, but it’s a bit more uncomfortable these days than it would be in the ‘80s. This Pop Culture Detective guy has many a good point, folks.

I’m just waiting for the Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, and Dead Alive/Brain Dead restorations. Jackson’s edgelord phase produced some fantastic films.

Damn, that sounds like a daunting task. I really appreciate how thorough you’re being with this whole endeavor, correcting the transfer’s many errors and getting the movie looking like the 4K83 print (I’m assuming you’re using the ungraded version, not Sanjuro or Dre’s shot-by-shot/reel-by-reel ones). I’m liking the preview screenshots thus far. Fantastic work!

G&G-Fan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Also, she should’ve died on Malachor. Her existing past RotJ as Ahsoka the White feels contrived and fanservicey.

I do agree with this. Vader killing her is powerful and they never should’ve taken that away.

I firmly agree there. Heck, outside of the Maul episodes and Ahsoka’s fight with Vader, I try to ignore Rebels. It doesn’t have much to offer the current EU.

Adywan did fantastic work in making the Cloud City windows/backgrounds consistent in his edit. His work is my go-to version of ESB and it’s an excellent demonstration of how the SE’s should have been (i.e., fixing legit errors, improving visual effects, and not compromising the flow of the movie).

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, the idea that it’s impossible to restore the original versions is patently absurd. Movies where the negative no longer exists in any form have been restored to excellent levels of quality. There’s plenty of source material to use.

It’s not like it’s on silver nitrate or went through a fire. The archives have a bunch of material for a proper restoration. Also, it’s probably better for TESB and ROTJ than SW, from a film quality perspective.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Yeah, except Qui-Gon’s, since he’s rebellious. It’s not so much about making Luke’s saber unique as it is being more aesthetically pleasing and thematically appropriate.

Agreed. Heck, adding a line about how Qui-Gon is not really a part of the order anymore would help to add gravitas to his green blade. Since Luke is a Jedi outside of the order as well, it makes sense that he would carry on Qui-Gon’s legacy.

I also like some of the knights/masters division. I’d prefer if the whole order used blue, except for the masters of the council using purple. It highlights how “royal” they are, in comparison to the other members. Obi-Wan would keep his blue blade, out of choice/to thematically separate himself from the council’s issues.

adywan said:

an-old-hope said:

It’s a continuity mess the way the battle has been edited. We have Lando leading Gold group ( but no fighters in Gold group), Red group is the X-wings, Green groups is the A-wings and Grey group is the Y-wings. Blue groups was also in there originally, which were the B-wings. But who the hell is Lando the leader of? In ROTJ:R, the Y-wings return to being Gold group and the B-wings are back as Blue group. Grey group is gone.

Gold squadron was reformed with a mix of different starfighters and the Millennium Falcon.
On screen members are Gold Leader, Lando Calrissian, Gold Four(A-Wing), Jake Farrell, and Gold Nine(Y-Wing), Norra Wexley, flying through the Death Star reactor shaft.

Is that how they tried to explain things in the EU? oh dear. I’m so glad i’m ignoring the EU.

But, my statement still stands. The battle is a mess of continuity, especially where squadron colours/ pilots are concerned. Wedge tells red 2 & 3 to pull in and yet an a-wing (green squadron) replies. We have an Y-wing shooting ties and Wedge congratulating Red 2, even though this same pilot was already identified as Grey Leader at the beginning of the battle. The whole space battle needs sorting

That sounds like a lot of CGI work to get the appropriate ships for these segments. Of course, I’m kind of thinking CGI will be needed to sort out the numerous scaling issues throughout the battle. I appreciate the ambition and the quality of the model effects, but these problems are inevitable when dealing with so many layers of effects.

Broom Kid said:

Even in ESB it’s not really a love triangle, as the only reason she’s kissing Luke like that is to piss off Han. It’s not because she WANTS to kiss Luke (although yes, there’s that deleted scene where she DOES, and then they’re interrupted - but since that’s gone, and Return of the Jedi exists…)

I think it’s possible to go straight from Han saying “Hey, what’s going on?” to Leia saying “Hold me” and the scene works just as well. No argument, Han still looks bewildered by Leia’s reactions without there being a dumb fight in between that highlights a silly plotline that shouldn’t exist, AND you lose some of Carrie Fisher’s absolute worst acting, ever.

You could probably take the “Hey, what’s going on” dialog out of its shot, dub it over the approach Han makes (it’s virtually the same) of him saying “I’m sorry” and just let the scene end like it always did (“Hold me”) The edit would be mostly audio, not video.

Yeah, wiping to the shuttle’s arrival after Luke leaves Leia just feels abrupt. That audio edit sounds like a feasible plan to preserve Han and Leia’s reaction while cutting out the “jealousy” bits.

Broom Kid said:

Even in ESB it’s not really a love triangle, as the only reason she’s kissing Luke like that is to piss off Han. It’s not because she WANTS to kiss Luke (although yes, there’s that deleted scene where she DOES, and then they’re interrupted - but since that’s gone, and Return of the Jedi exists…)

I think it’s possible to go straight from Han saying “Hey, what’s going on?” to Leia saying “Hold me” and the scene works just as well. No argument, Han still looks bewildered by Leia’s reactions without there being a dumb fight in between that highlights a silly plotline that shouldn’t exist, AND you lose some of Carrie Fisher’s absolute worst acting, ever.

You could probably take the “Hey, what’s going on” dialog out of its shot, dub it over the approach Han makes (it’s virtually the same) of him saying “I’m sorry” and just let the scene end like it always did (“Hold me”) The edit would be mostly audio, not video.

Yeah, wiping to the shuttle’s arrival after Luke leaves Leia just feels abrupt. That audio edit sounds like a feasible plan to preserve Han and Leia’s reaction while cutting out the “jealousy” bits.

ChainsawAsh said:

ray_afraid said:

Tantive3+1 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Tantive3+1 said:

I mentioned this earlier but the scenes between Han and Leia need to be more intimate.

Quick, someone find out if Carrie Fisher has ever done a sex scene in her career! 😉

You don’t need that. Cutting out the love triangle with Luke is a first step.

But, since there is no “love triangle” in the actual films, only in your mind, EU & deleted scenes, this isn’t even an issue.

Disagree. You can say it’s more accurate to say Han is being jealous than there being an actual love triangle, but to me that’s just potato, potato.

Besides, it’s just two scenes. DarthRush’s edit cut the first one (wiping from Luke leaving to the shuttle landing) and trimmed the second one (“He wasn’t, I can feel it.” cuts back and forth of confused Han and Leia turning to him “He’s my brother”). This should be a standard cut in every ROTJ edit.

doubleofive said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Thinking ahead to things that should change with the Battle of Yavin, I’ve got a few ideas.

1. Yavin 4 isn’t visible in the fly-by or is half-blocked by the gas giant (like the test renders of the '97 scene)

While this needs to be done, I never found a test render where it was half blocked in my SE research. I seem to recall something they made for one of those IMAX SFX reels maybe having the moon at a better angle.

Yeah, that’s what I was referring to, albeit incorrectly. It wasn’t half-blocked there, but it should have been.

Thinking ahead to things that should change with the Battle of Yavin, I’ve got a few ideas.

1. Yavin 4 isn’t visible in the fly-by or is half-blocked by the gas giant (like the test renders of the '97 scene)
2. Redo the opening fly-by to include more variety with the X-Wings (i.e., instead of all looking like Wedge’s Red Two, use the elements of the relevant models).
3. Trying to make the CGI shots blend with the models more in terms of movement and visual consistency (i.e., give Luke’s CGI X-Wing different marks to match the physical model, use movement patterns more similar to those from ESB and ROTJ)
4. Get volunteers to add dialogue for the expanded battle sequence (if it remains).

These would require more work with the CGI guy Ady has mentioned before (or other CGI-inclined folk - many are on YouTube with their samples), but it’s doable.

StarkillerAG said:

ATMachine said:

StarkillerAG said:

But would we still consider the originals “erased” if the only changes were recomped effects? That’s the approach the D+XX project takes, and I don’t see anyone kicking up a big fuss about how it’s not “really” original.

Maybe so, but it still would be getting rid of the groundbreaking effects that won the film an Academy Award.

Those efforts would still be there. All the original models would be preserved, just recomped for better quality. If anything, that would only emphasize how good the models were by presenting them in the best quality possible. And the other categories that Star Wars won, like creature design, editing, and music, would still be preserved in their original form.

Agreed. I’ve never minded removing matte lines or recomposites, since the old composites had unfortunate artifacts of the optical printing process. Heck, redoing the optical on finer-grain film (like the wipes) would’ve been welcome too.

DuracellEnergizer said:

E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial is emotionally manipulative junk food.

I prefer the Austrian porn version. It’s so unsexy that it’s artistic.

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, that’s actually good.

Thanks. It’s all the more reason why I’d support a fanedit where Qui-Gon (and maybe Dooku) is the only Jedi with a green blade. It gives Luke’s green blade some added significance, in representing a “fulfillment” of Qui-Gon’s goals.

Luke’s green lightsaber uses the crystal from Qui-Gon’s hilt, since he found it among Kenobi’s belongings.

Also, until somebody like jonh, Sir Ridley, or Snooker does a “good” version of the Hayden Anakin ghost (i.e. not using Shaw’s body, Anakin giving a truly proud or happy expression like Shaw, and maybe wearing something akin to his ROTS robes), I’d say stick with Shaw.

I totally get your preference, but it’s more than just “purists” who prefer Shaw.

• The Clone Wars
• Episodes of Rebels that reference The Clone Wars
• Solo
• The Battle of Scarif
• Star Wars Revisited
• Empire Strikes Back Revisited
• Return of the Jedi: 4K83

That’s it. If I want the prequels, I’ll play Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (still fun, BTW) or watch the Auralnauts versions.

With the sequels, I like to just see TLJ as the distant, possibly “elseworlds” finale. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn’t, IDK.

TPM - Slow-cooked ribs that have a nice sauce, but are dry and have a terrible texture

AOTC - Rendered bear steak fat that just leaves a terrible mark

ROTS - Haggis, crammed full of stuff that should have been in the first two meals

TCW - A well-crafted frittata that got better as your ate more of it

Solo - A lasagna that tastes fantastic, but is slightly uncanny due to the odd proportions of ingredients

Rebels - Shredded wheat, with a few good bits poking out of the sugar drench

R1 - One of those IV drips that anorexic people have to avoid eating

SW - Your basic burger with all the trimmings and fries, classic and satisfying

ESB - a medium-rare skirt steak with roasted sweet potatoes and bell peppers

ROTJ - a turkey burger that’s still well-made, but just can’t get to the previous highs

TFA - reheated pizza that’s a bit elderly but still passable

TLJ - an excellent fried rice dish that makes good use of leftovers and does some experimental things with a few ingredients, not for everyone

TROS - raw chicken that’s well past its expiration date, alongside moldy pop tarts

My preference is for the D+ versions, since the SE stuff left in is very inconsequential (e.g., the detention block hallway matte and one CG X-Wing during the Battle of Yavin, the recomposites that use the original elements, and the redone wipes).

While I love 4K77 and 4K83, the former isn’t exactly optimal for some. While 2.0 will hopefully make things better, I can understand not wanting to watch the movie like that. The EK Showprint used for 4K83 is amazing and should be optimal for just about anybody (albeit Despecialized and the upcoming D+83 will have more fine detail).

Once 3.0 of Despecialized comes out, that will take over as my preferred version. Now that Harmy has raw scans to work with from the entirety of the OT, the results should be so much better.

We’ve come a long way since the safari guy from Gorilla, Interrupted made the Classic Editions.

Do an edit of AOTC and ROTS, but replace all of Anakin’s lines with random quotes from the Elliot Rodger manifesto.

I just wish we had more unmasked David Prowse footage to do this scene and the ghost.

EvantheKidDS said:

According to 4K77, the engine glow on the X-Wings were red, while the Y-Wings were orange. Some things about Rouge One to me, that was taken from the 2004/2011 “Special Edition / Blu-Ray.”

IDK, those 4K77 engines looked pretty pink (and orangey-red for the Y-Wings).

This may be from the latest D+77, but it’s very much in-line with what the references say about the engines.

Add a cgi skeleton hand to Luke’s lightsaber in TFA.