BedeHistory731

That’s very impressive!

Fear and Loathing is decent, but probably needed to stick closer to the source. The idea of Ralph Bakshi doing an animated version of Ralph Steadman’s illustrations (maybe with Dr. Hunter S. Thompson narrating) sounds very appealing to me.

The Harry Potter series probably would have worked better in today’s age of “prestige TV adaptations,” as that format would allow for fewer book deviations (e.g., making Ron an idiot, deleting subplots, and trying to soften Snape).

StarkillerAG said:

It’s about the universe conspiring to make C-3PO suffer.

From this, our Lord and Savior Creepio was born. S I N G U L A R I T Y

It’s about the rise, fall, redemption, and legacy of Anakin Skywalker. It’s also about Luke’s origins, triumphs, downfall, and redemption through others.

Most importantly, it’s a human attempt to write a Cardassian repetitive epic.

I tend to think of Dagobah as akin to Dragon Ball’s Hyperbolic Time Chamber/Room of Spirit & Time. One year inside the chamber takes up only one day outside of it. Dagobah time is elongated, which would account for the extended time Luke spent training/Yoda’s age catching up to him a bit more.

That’s just a “head canon” for me.

IlFanEditore said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Grumpy Luke is giving a sense of logic as to why Luke would abandon the galaxy in shame (as the crawl and Han talked about).

Rose And Holdo were created because Finn and Poe didn’t have distinct or fleshed out personalities. They needed to be flawed and different to each other, and a plot showing their individual weaknesses needed to see them both fail, learn, and grow. This also is why the “useless” Canto Bight sequence was incorporated.

The Knights of Ren were absent because they were a one-line throwaway concept by Abrams, and Johnson didn’t want them to be useless fighters who were introduced and subsequently killed off. He created and used the Praetorian Guards instead. Abrams would later relegate the Knights of Ren to the same shallow goons, but with less impressive choreography.

Snoke was undeveloped and used only for Kylo’s motivation and growth, so Johnson continued along that path. Since Kylo was the primary antagonist of the trilogy, Johnson allowed him to take that role more directly while still giving him a character arc.

Johnson subverted expectations because the only film preceding was a retread of the plot of the original Star Wars, but with a bigger Death Star. The one thing Abrams changed from the original Star Wars’ formula was giving the film a cliffhanger ending. This cliffhanger got in the way of two of the three main Characters having an arc. Kylo’s choice to kill Han and commit to the Dark Side completes his arc and quest in the film. Rey is still searching for belonging, and Finn is knocked out before he can take any personal action in the plot. Poe wasn’t meant to be a protagonist, and originally was set to die in the TIE crash. Because of this, Poe had no arc. TLJ had to give all of these characters arcs to compensate, and retreading past films or giving the obvious answers to shallow questions wouldn’t achieve that.

Thus, every major issue people have with The Last Jedi can be traced to choices made with The Force Awakens.

Applause.

Agreed!

On another forum I frequent, one guy tries to blame Rian Johnson for everything going off-track. Here’s a bit:

"Apparently Rian Johnson wasn’t a fan of whatever the “plan” was after TFA and pitched his own movie that became TLJ. Some people say he was incredibly convincing in his pitch, others have said he knew how to sweet-talk Kathleen Kennedy. Maybe both, I donno. Either way, if there was a plan? TLJ derailed them.

I think there may have been an overall plan on JJ’s part. The biggest failing of RoS is that it feels bloated. They rush through too much too fast, and it seems like JJ was trying to do “his” Episode VIII in addition to Episode IX. I don’t think the Sequel Trilogy would be as poorly regarded if JJ were allowed to do VII-IX.

Rian Johnson’s script just didn’t fit. His vision of Star Wars could have worked and been really revolutionary had they given him control from the start.

Instead he took a hard left in the middle of a story he didn’t plan, and it doesn’t work."*

JJ’s plan was probably crap and Rian realized that it was crap.

“Dark Leia,” much like “Dark Luke,” is an incredibly stupid idea. We don’t want to see “evil” versions of the classic heroes.

It’s not as stupid as the one time I saw a prequel rewrite that had Luke and Leia being the product of Vader raping the Padme equivalent.

Replace all of Palpatine’s lines with various readings of “Ore wa ochinchin ga daisuki nandayo” alongside poorly-written subtitles. Likewise, replace all references to Midichlorians with “chromosomes.”

Hal 9000 said:

Someone improved the Morrison ESB Fett?

This guy does some decent work with lines from Battlefront II that Morrison recorded. Ignore the lines the editor added outside of the four primary spots, as a super-talkative Fett isn’t that great. The third Fett line is a bit awkward, but I’m sure it can be fixed with an entirely separate line/better blending between the two sources. The comparisons later in the playlists do have more faithful recreations of those lines (e.g., “As you wish.”).

I’d suggest looking into the Bounty Hunter game or any number of places where Morrison has played a Fett to get the lines, as it has to be better than the '04 recordings.

Yeah, Shaw makes the most sense for this edit. It’s an OT-only series, so there you go.

Improved Hayden makes sense for other edits.

Nothing But Trouble is under appreciated in terms of set design, world building, and effects work. It’s not funny and is proof of why Dan Ackroyd needs people to filter and condense his scripts, but it’s a visual treat for the most part. Give it another set of eyes on the script or another director, it could be a surrealist classic.

nevertellmetheodds said:

Insert ‘Have another drink, Rey’ in TFA when she crashes the falcon before taking off from Jakku.

I got a better idea. Replace the Falcon with Ricky’s Shitmobile!

Better yet, replace the ROTJ dance number with J-Roc’s sweetest jam!

I suggest just having a link to send out to people via PM or doing a newsgroups upload. Don’t bother with Myspleen.

Yeah, the Naboo idea probably wouldn’t work. Still, cutting Mustafar is probably the best course of action. If we want a prequel shoutout, perhaps inserting Coruscant or another prequel/Clone Wars planet into the final battle montage would work.

I agree. Just cut “Mustafar,” as trying to make it work just gets out-of-hand.

Making Ajan Kloss Naboo is much easier and doesn’t need the same amount of choppiness/multiple sources to work.

Anakin Starkiller said:

We could try EbSynthing Hayden’s face onto Shaw’s. God knows that never goes horrifyingly wrong. For better results, we could try a Deepfake.

Well, your Yoda EBSynth tests looked pretty dang good. Heck, the TPM puppet one is useful for the ketamine/2001 Honda Civic/offensive memes.

These tools seem very useful for these fixes to bad makeup, making characters’ appearances consistent, and just doing weird stuff. Heck, EBSynth and Deepfakes could give us Lego Star Wars: The Weirdest Trip Ever! 🤤

But back to the idea at hand, Frankenstein-ing footage and making it work through VFX (perhaps with sade1212’s age-up) would be a good way to go about it, along with a few other tricks (EBSynth, Deepfake, etc.). Like I said, “just bring back Shaw” is too limiting. We have Adywan’s ESB Emperor and people using Battlefront II clips to improve Morrison’s Fett, so it’d be nice to have the “improved 2004 changes” hat trick.

I’m curious about upgrading the Hayden ghost to not be a head swap/convey the same warmth and pride as Shaw.

With NFBisms’ Hayden knowledge and Jonh’s VFX editing skills, I think it would be possible. It’d be a nice alternative to just bringing back Shaw.

I was thinking about a moment from the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel when Vader says “You should not have come back” and Obi-Wan flashes a very concerned look.

My thought was when considering a prequel rewrite, to make this bit the time when Obi-Wan realizes that it’s Anakin who is Vader, not the “other pupil.” He thought that there could be a chance (i.e., saw Anakin using the dark side more and more), but never truly realized it until this moment. Obi-Wan remains resolute despite the revelation, with his smirk towards Vader now meaning something like, “Anakin, that’s your son out there. I’m making damn sure he’s getting away from you now and I’ve got a guy who’ll help him kill you. Your obsession with me hasn’t changed since the Clone Wars, so you probably can’t sense him at this moment.”

I like the idea of Obi-Wan being in the dark about Vader’s true identity all these years, as it adds a little bit of dramatic weight to each time Obi-Wan tries to tell Luke about Vader. Heck, it even gives his final conference with Luke in ESB a bit more weight. He can’t tell Luke the truth he just found out (and probably told Yoda), so as not to give him that same disconcertion he had during the ANH duel. Obi-Wan knows that Luke won’t be able to take this revelation well, as unlike him, he hasn’t had the many years to ponder it.

I do like the idea, but I’d give it a bit of a twist. The Anakin and Darth Vader (both apprentices of Obi-Wan, with Vader having fallen in Episode II) characters fight each other in the third prequel and we don’t see the outcome. Obi-Wan would fight who we think is Vader, not knowing that it’s a fallen Anakin posing as Vader (perhaps to avoid detection by Palpatine). The duel takes place as normal, with Anakin-as-Vader sustaining critical injuries and Palpatine manipulating his memories to remember Anakin as “another person.”

However, the events of Star Wars trigger memories within Anakin-as-Vader and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan would sense something of Anakin within Vader when he says “you should not have come back” (look at the expression on Sir Alec’s face), while Anakin-as-Vader would feel the “Skywalker connection” during the tench run. This eliminates Obi-Wan lying to Luke (as he didn’t know Vader’s true identity - Yoda did, but Yoda’s abilities are more fine-tuned than Obi-Wan’s) while giving Anakin-as-Vader a revelation that might steer him towards the light.

That sounds amazing! I’ve long wanted to have a better quality SLV and I’m glad to see you’ve done it.

KumoNin said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’m kind of disappointed in nobody here picking up the Ajan Kloss = Naboo torch. To me, it’d be an excellent way for the series to go “full circle.”

I don’t know, it seems from the supplementary material that the FO is straight up burning down places that have shown to have any ties whatsoever to the resistance and also Leia is changing bases like socks, even more often than the rebellion. Moreover, the bases seem to be almost exclusively on planets without civilised governments. Naboo is the sort of world that they would be found on immediately. Of course, you could ignore that and imply a different power dynamic, where the war is less one-sided

I’d trend towards ignoring the supplementary material (like, hard ignore), but that’s just me.

I’m kind of disappointed in nobody here picking up the Ajan Kloss = Naboo torch. To me, it’d be an excellent way for the series to go “full circle.”

CamSMurph said:

I can see you’re responding resoundingly in the negative. Who can blame you? The video never goes into detail on that incentive.

sigh I’ll show myself out.

I still have flashbacks to Doug’s video on The Wall, where he misses the point of the album/movie so severely that it’s depressing (because holy crap, that album/movie’s themes apply to him so well).

In the end, I just find myself treating the ST like Dragon Ball Z’s Buu Saga/Dragon Ball’s Buu Arc. It’s there, but I don’t think I’ll go out of my way to watch it. The OT/Cell Saga had a much better, more satisfying ending.

krausfadr said:

After jonh’s awesome upgrade, I’m even more inclined to remove “I’m all the Jedi.” He has made it so we can show instead of tell. And as Dom and SWOTFAN25 have now convinced me, the boss battle with lightsabers is the antithesis of Jedi ideals, and her terrible, parroted line back to Palpatine compounds this error.

Agreed. Cut the “I am all the Sith!” and “I am all the Jedi!” exchange.