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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Darth Lucas said:

Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

Obi Wan has significance to Rey. Anakin has significance to Ben Solo, who would be there in this version. The thought of ending the “Skywalker Saga” without at least Anakin having some importance seems off to me.

Exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, hinges around this character and how he affected the entire galaxy.

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” It wasn’t the story of Anakin until the prequels reframed the saga. The ST has simply reframed the saga again.

This is an accurate statement. All Anakin really needed to do would be to show up as a voice, which he did. Maybe if you included him appearing earlier in the film somewhere (e.g., a vision) using ROTS or Shaw stock footage, then putting him at the end would be justified. It was only “his” story retroactively from about 1999-2015 (quite frankly, Obi-Wan should have been the primary protagonist of the prequels). Now that it has been reframed, there’s no need to treat him like the main character of the saga.

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

DuracellEnergizer said:

It’s probably for the best that Lynch didn’t do ROTJ. I can’t imagine Lucas would’ve give him any more creative freedom than he gave Marquand. Lynch’s ROTJ would’ve likely been as tepid a film as the ROTJ we got, only with some minor casting/aesthetic differences.

I kind of wish Cronenberg directed ROTJ, if only for a bit of body horror. Imagine a partially-skeletal Emperor, a distorted Jabba, or a less humanoid Vader.

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

Cthulhunicron said:

Z6PO said:

Did Rey flew Luke’s X-Wing without an astromech droid?

Not only that, she flew it without replacing all the parts that were rusted and corroded by being submerged in the ocean for several years.

There must be a Star Wars equivalent of Summit Racing Parts. I’m sure she could get one-day shipping on a few T-65 parts. 😉


ray_afraid said:

Snaketibe said:

ray_afraid said:

My only problem with Han in Jedi is his jealousy at Luke.
Han & Leia fell in love in Empire and even tell each other!
Leia’s first word’s to Han in Jedi is “…Someone who loves you.” !!!
Then Han spends the rest of the film jealous & suspicious of LukenLeia.
It’s really stupid.

True, but who said love was always sensible? 😃

It’s not a complicated situation. Han has zero reason to be jealous of Luke. It just makes Han seem like a stupid teenager.
Throw all the clichés at it ya want. It’s bad. Real bad.

There’s also the fact that it’s just two scenes and can be cut with ease. When Luke leaves Leia, wipe to the landing platform. With the second scene, just arrange the lines like this:

“He wasn’t. I can feel it.”
Han looks at Leia, confused
“He’s my brother.”

DarthRush did this in his fanedit, which is a good base for a cutlist.

Why don't people hate the Palpatine re-casting in ESB yet despise Force ghost Anakin's re-casting in RotJ?

DominicCobb said:

Your_friendly_Imperial said:

DominicCobb said:
In the context of the whole saga, Hayden is Anakin. Sure, you can understand that Shaw is supposed to be Anakin, but the fact of the matter is he never once looked like that in any of these films. Not to mention, continuity-wise, Shaw is far too old to be playing Anakin (he still works as the unmasked Vader because his injuries, the suit, and the dark side have made him more decrepit). You can say that it doesn’t make sense that the ghost would look like he did decades before he died, but I’d argue it makes as much sense as an imagined fantasy version of older him.

Now, the other thing people complain about is that the Hayden footage was a costume test, and it doesn’t fit. This is true, and it’s a little janky, but it’s not that bad. Here’s the thing though. The people saying Shaw’s acting is not being respected? That’s silly. Shaw’s acting is intact, in his scene with Hamill. Shaw’s ‘acting’ in the ghost scene was literally just George telling him to smile at the camera. That’s it. He had no idea the context, what was going on, or why he was smiling. So I’d say that’s only marginally better than a costume test.

Ultimately what it comes down to for me is that Anakin/Vader shouldn’t end up with a ghost at all at the end of the movie, so both versions are stupid to me, personally.

He didn’t look that old as ghost. If we consider the Prequels Canon, Anakin should be in the late 40s/50s, not young like Hayden Christensen.

Sebastian Shaw was 77 at the time of filming, and, frankly, looks it. Anakin would only be about 45 according to the prequels. Shaw is way too old. Obviously Hayden is too young, but the idea is that he has reverted back to his pre-Vader self.

Could we deepfake a 40-something David Prowse over Shaw? That’s a proposal I’ve thought about for a while.

Still, with both changes - Adywan made ‘04 Emperor work, but the official version is awful; the Christensen ghost was a bad idea (but I get why) that was executed poorly. Give it to him now, use his full body, and make him act exactly like Shaw, then you’d have something. I’m not a fan of either’s execution, but I don’t mind the sentiment.

With this said, the originals should be available in similar quality to the SE - I only watch 4KXX, Despecialized, and Ady’s work for the OT.

4K restoration on Star Wars

ChainsawAsh said:

theMaestro said:

Though it might be worth comparing the framing of the Reliance demo reel. Because apparently the D+ streams are 2.39:1 vs. the normal 2.35:1 they have been on prior releases. I hope that this is only a quirk of the streaming version.

2.39:1 has been the actual 35mm anamorphic standard since about 1970, but 2.35:1 kept getting used for years even though it was no longer correct. All the OT movies probably should actually be 2.39:1. It’s pretty much an imperceptible difference between the two anyway.

You can really see that switch when comparing the Bond movies of 1965-71 and 1977-2002.

4K restoration on Star Wars

ChainsawAsh said:

The suicide scene is now significantly censored compared to the original.

Here’s the movie-censorship report - note that it has screenshots of both versions, and the original version is quite graphic.

Netflix’s statement:

We’ve heard from many young people that ’13 Reasons Why’ encouraged them to start conversations about difficult issues like depression and suicide and get help—often for the first time. As we prepare to launch season three later this summer, we’ve been mindful about the ongoing debate around the show. So on the advice of medical experts, including Dr. Christine Moutier, Chief Medical Officer at the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, we’ve decided with creator Brian Yorkey and the producers to edit the scene in which Hannah takes her own life from season one.

Ah yes, they should have consulted the suicide prevention people before allowing that scene in the show. That should kind of be the industry standard, don’t you think?

This does set up a poor precedent, but ultimately, I think we can let this one slide as long as the uncensored version is out there and people know that the alteration happened. I can see the point of the original’s graphicness, but I’m not sure it’s that great a deterrent for youth suicides.

JEDIT: While I do like the color grading on the 19SE, but I’d like to see how it’d look with a LUT to bring it more in line with our LPP references and other reference material.

My rancor question seems to have had a satisfactory answer since it does look like a recomposite (no matte lines that were there in '97). Thanks, Tobar!

Ranking the Star Wars films

My listing goes like this:


  1. ESB
    2 (a). ANH
    2 (b). TCW series

3. TLJ
4. ROTJ (it really should have been two movies)
5 (a). TFA
5 (b). Rebels

Funny Bad
6. AOTC (it’s the Space Fantasy version of The Room)
7. Solo (Do you remember the opening from Last Crusade? Well, what if it was the whole movie!)
8. TPM

9. ROTS (it suffers greatly because of the first two prequels lollygagging)
10. R1 (it’s just so dull)

Worst Ideas in Star Wars/Good Ideas that went Horribly Wrong

Making the Prequels with the attitude of “everybody knows the originals.” They should have assumed nobody knew anything going into it, teaching them along the way. That way, continuity with the OT would be respected.

The oddly unhealthy attitude towards women in the Prequels is iffy. Like that Pop Culture Detective guy said, “women lead to a loss of control for the hero, driving him to the dark side” (I’m paraphrasing here). It sounds like Lucas didn’t get his divorce out of his system that easily.