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Alternate 1997 Special Editions (What if...?)

StarkillerAG said:

ATMachine said:

StarkillerAG said:

But would we still consider the originals “erased” if the only changes were recomped effects? That’s the approach the D+XX project takes, and I don’t see anyone kicking up a big fuss about how it’s not “really” original.

Maybe so, but it still would be getting rid of the groundbreaking effects that won the film an Academy Award.

Those efforts would still be there. All the original models would be preserved, just recomped for better quality. If anything, that would only emphasize how good the models were by presenting them in the best quality possible. And the other categories that Star Wars won, like creature design, editing, and music, would still be preserved in their original form.

Agreed. I’ve never minded removing matte lines or recomposites, since the old composites had unfortunate artifacts of the optical printing process. Heck, redoing the optical on finer-grain film (like the wipes) would’ve been welcome too.

My Star Wars Saga Episodes 1-6 Edits (2/6 available, now with videos) (WIP)

Also, until somebody like jonh, Sir Ridley, or Snooker does a “good” version of the Hayden Anakin ghost (i.e. not using Shaw’s body, Anakin giving a truly proud or happy expression like Shaw, and maybe wearing something akin to his ROTS robes), I’d say stick with Shaw.

I totally get your preference, but it’s more than just “purists” who prefer Shaw.

What is your personal canon?
  • The Clone Wars
  • Episodes of Rebels that reference The Clone Wars
  • Solo
  • The Battle of Scarif
  • Star Wars Revisited
  • Empire Strikes Back Revisited
  • Return of the Jedi: 4K83

That’s it. If I want the prequels, I’ll play Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (still fun, BTW) or watch the Auralnauts versions.

With the sequels, I like to just see TLJ as the distant, possibly “elseworlds” finale. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn’t, IDK.

Dinner Time - post a meal for each Star Wars movie...

TPM - Slow-cooked ribs that have a nice sauce, but are dry and have a terrible texture

AOTC - Rendered bear steak fat that just leaves a terrible mark

ROTS - Haggis, crammed full of stuff that should have been in the first two meals

TCW - A well-crafted frittata that got better as your ate more of it

Solo - A lasagna that tastes fantastic, but is slightly uncanny due to the odd proportions of ingredients

Rebels - Shredded wheat, with a few good bits poking out of the sugar drench

R1 - One of those IV drips that anorexic people have to avoid eating

SW - Your basic burger with all the trimmings and fries, classic and satisfying

ESB - a medium-rare skirt steak with roasted sweet potatoes and bell peppers

ROTJ - a turkey burger that’s still well-made, but just can’t get to the previous highs

TFA - reheated pizza that’s a bit elderly but still passable

TLJ - an excellent fried rice dish that makes good use of leftovers and does some experimental things with a few ingredients, not for everyone

TROS - raw chicken that’s well past its expiration date, alongside moldy pop tarts

Info: Which do you prefer - teamnegative1's 4k77/4k83 or Harmy's Despecialized?

My preference is for the D+ versions, since the SE stuff left in is very inconsequential (e.g., the detention block hallway matte and one CG X-Wing during the Battle of Yavin, the recomposites that use the original elements, and the redone wipes).

While I love 4K77 and 4K83, the former isn’t exactly optimal for some. While 2.0 will hopefully make things better, I can understand not wanting to watch the movie like that. The EK Showprint used for 4K83 is amazing and should be optimal for just about anybody (albeit Despecialized and the upcoming D+83 will have more fine detail).

Once 3.0 of Despecialized comes out, that will take over as my preferred version. Now that Harmy has raw scans to work with from the entirety of the OT, the results should be so much better.

We’ve come a long way since the safari guy from Gorilla, Interrupted made the Classic Editions.


EvantheKidDS said:

According to 4K77, the engine glow on the X-Wings were red, while the Y-Wings were orange. Some things about Rouge One to me, that was taken from the 2004/2011 “Special Edition / Blu-Ray.”

IDK, those 4K77 engines looked pretty pink (and orangey-red for the Y-Wings).


This may be from the latest D+77, but it’s very much in-line with what the references say about the engines.

Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

paja said:

Turn Ben’s Saber (in the TLJ flashback scene) to Green to really show and dig in that “New generation of Jedi” Idea.

I always thought saber colors had a theme:
White : Jedi Knight
Green : Jedi Master

This fit Luke’s path in ROTJ.
It fit Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in Phantom.
AOTC…kind of followed that pattern. Yoda had green, Anakin and Obi-Wan had white.
But then Obi-Wan always had white even as a master while on the council…so it basically fizzled out as an idea with all the various extra Jedis just being whatever and it was clear Lucas didn’t follow the master-knight theme.

Obi-Wan has blue all the way until his death, so that was never the strict measure.

Blue is more about taking physical action with the force.

Green is about being more reflective and mystic in the fight against the dark side.

Yellow is about being more scholarly and stoic with the force.

Purple is usually associated with the concept of “grey” Jedi, those that seek that dangerous middle ground at the edge of the dark side.

Red is corrupted and bleeding from the dark side (old EU defined them as being artificial).

White (like Ahsoka’s sabers in Rebels) have been purified after going to the dark side.

One idea I had in a prequel rewrite was that the different lightsaber colors were the result of different factions that broke off from the original Jedi order. The “prime” Jedi (Obi-Wan, Anakin, the other Obi-Wan apprentice) use blue, the “renegade” Jedi (Qui-Gon, a Count Dooku equivalent, eventually Luke) use green, the leaders of the “prime” Jedi (Mace Windu and his associates) use purple, the Sith (now a splinter of the ancient Jedi) use red, and Luke/Rey’s Jedi Order would use all of the above alongside yellow and white.

It’s not particularly relevant, but I thought it fit with the talk of saber colors. It also fits with my prequel edit idea of having Qui-Gon be the only Jedi with a green lightsaber (maybe Dooku would have one, even after becoming a Sith).

The Unpopular Film, TV, Music, Art, Books, Comics, Games, &amp; Technology Opinion Thread (for all you contrarians!)

Fear and Loathing is decent, but probably needed to stick closer to the source. The idea of Ralph Bakshi doing an animated version of Ralph Steadman’s illustrations (maybe with Dr. Hunter S. Thompson narrating) sounds very appealing to me.

The Harry Potter series probably would have worked better in today’s age of “prestige TV adaptations,” as that format would allow for fewer book deviations (e.g., making Ron an idiot, deleting subplots, and trying to soften Snape).

What is the main Star Wars Saga about?

StarkillerAG said:

It’s about the universe conspiring to make C-3PO suffer.

From this, our Lord and Savior Creepio was born. S I N G U L A R I T Y

It’s about the rise, fall, redemption, and legacy of Anakin Skywalker. It’s also about Luke’s origins, triumphs, downfall, and redemption through others.

Most importantly, it’s a human attempt to write a Cardassian repetitive epic.

Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

IlFanEditore said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Grumpy Luke is giving a sense of logic as to why Luke would abandon the galaxy in shame (as the crawl and Han talked about).

Rose And Holdo were created because Finn and Poe didn’t have distinct or fleshed out personalities. They needed to be flawed and different to each other, and a plot showing their individual weaknesses needed to see them both fail, learn, and grow. This also is why the “useless” Canto Bight sequence was incorporated.

The Knights of Ren were absent because they were a one-line throwaway concept by Abrams, and Johnson didn’t want them to be useless fighters who were introduced and subsequently killed off. He created and used the Praetorian Guards instead. Abrams would later relegate the Knights of Ren to the same shallow goons, but with less impressive choreography.

Snoke was undeveloped and used only for Kylo’s motivation and growth, so Johnson continued along that path. Since Kylo was the primary antagonist of the trilogy, Johnson allowed him to take that role more directly while still giving him a character arc.

Johnson subverted expectations because the only film preceding was a retread of the plot of the original Star Wars, but with a bigger Death Star. The one thing Abrams changed from the original Star Wars’ formula was giving the film a cliffhanger ending. This cliffhanger got in the way of two of the three main Characters having an arc. Kylo’s choice to kill Han and commit to the Dark Side completes his arc and quest in the film. Rey is still searching for belonging, and Finn is knocked out before he can take any personal action in the plot. Poe wasn’t meant to be a protagonist, and originally was set to die in the TIE crash. Because of this, Poe had no arc. TLJ had to give all of these characters arcs to compensate, and retreading past films or giving the obvious answers to shallow questions wouldn’t achieve that.

Thus, every major issue people have with The Last Jedi can be traced to choices made with The Force Awakens.



Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

On another forum I frequent, one guy tries to blame Rian Johnson for everything going off-track. Here’s a bit:

"Apparently Rian Johnson wasn’t a fan of whatever the “plan” was after TFA and pitched his own movie that became TLJ. Some people say he was incredibly convincing in his pitch, others have said he knew how to sweet-talk Kathleen Kennedy. Maybe both, I donno. Either way, if there was a plan? TLJ derailed them.

I think there may have been an overall plan on JJ’s part. The biggest failing of RoS is that it feels bloated. They rush through too much too fast, and it seems like JJ was trying to do “his” Episode VIII in addition to Episode IX. I don’t think the Sequel Trilogy would be as poorly regarded if JJ were allowed to do VII-IX.

Rian Johnson’s script just didn’t fit. His vision of Star Wars could have worked and been really revolutionary had they given him control from the start.

Instead he took a hard left in the middle of a story he didn’t plan, and it doesn’t work."*

JJ’s plan was probably crap and Rian realized that it was crap.

The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread

Hal 9000 said:

Someone improved the Morrison ESB Fett?

This guy does some decent work with lines from Battlefront II that Morrison recorded. Ignore the lines the editor added outside of the four primary spots, as a super-talkative Fett isn’t that great. The third Fett line is a bit awkward, but I’m sure it can be fixed with an entirely separate line/better blending between the two sources. The comparisons later in the playlists do have more faithful recreations of those lines (e.g., “As you wish.”).

I’d suggest looking into the Bounty Hunter game or any number of places where Morrison has played a Fett to get the lines, as it has to be better than the '04 recordings.

The Unpopular Film, TV, Music, Art, Books, Comics, Games, &amp; Technology Opinion Thread (for all you contrarians!)

Nothing But Trouble is under appreciated in terms of set design, world building, and effects work. It’s not funny and is proof of why Dan Ackroyd needs people to filter and condense his scripts, but it’s a visual treat for the most part. Give it another set of eyes on the script or another director, it could be a surrealist classic.