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I know. In other words we're wishing for something that EVERY other big movie is doing anyway! How the hell did it come to this?

Well, at least with Blade Runner, the versions were tied in up in legal hassles all that time.

It's never shown that the imperials have any loyalty to a cause or something. It's a typical dictatorship, it's all fear of Vader, The Emperor and Death Stars, which is over. In lots of countries dictators get killed and everybody who wasn't a friend or relative goes right along with the new guys. It was never a religious regime of sworn fanatics or anything, the imperials are all just weasels and bureaucrats who don't want to get choked to death. The rebels weren't outside invaders, it was just a government and still is. The senators were only kicked out 5 years earlier.

There was always lots of little things I wanted to see done in an alternate version of Jedi, but I don't really care now. A multi-billionaire playing around with his old movies with his digital toys from 1997 to 2017 or whatever while I pay for it each time makes me feel like a real dumbshit who just fell off the turnip truck.  Yet I'll still buy anything that contains the originals. apart from that, eh.

I always thought the ideal music would have been the version of Leia's theme from the end credits of new hope.

Pretty sure Lowry just cleans dirt, debris and repairs film damage etc. Lucasfilm decides color and everything else.

Hey you're right! I compared them on youtube. I guess the technology didn't exist to cut those shots into smaller fragments in 1983, even though that was the original vision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZMFhT9awgc

vote_for_palpatine said:

I can't imagine a more tired and inappropriate meme than "New Age music" when people complain about the 1997 music. I'm convinced that the vast majority who parrot that complaint have never listened to New Age music before.

relax

A. (yub nub is lame, but at least it fits the movie it's in. 97 sucks ass on a more basic level, as all 90s aromatherapy health spa music does. Maybe in the next version he can use whale songs.)

So the special editions really are legally a separate thing from the originals? (And how does it affect releasing the originals?).

In other words, if RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) is legally a different movie from STAR WARS EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI(1997), why was that done? It certainly doesn't have to be done with every rerelease of an old movie. If it's to make it harder to share the profits (since it's a "new" movie that came out in 1997 and needs to get into the black all over again) that is really chickenshit.

Star Wars 77 Empire 80 Jedi 83. Simplicity itself. And sooner or later, I will have it! (either LFL does it legally or someone, probably someone around here, comes up with a killer bootleg of the original or a close enough original-ish version)

At the end of Jedi, I so totally don't care about seeing these anonymous crowds frolic in phony cartoon envirironments, it might as well be shots from Spaceballs. And that new music...am I in a new age store? Should I buy these candles?

Yeah, I thought the fleet in Jedi is the same fleet as the one in Empire, but with the addition of some alien help. Isn't that the point, that "our" rebels have teamed up with alien rebels?

Jedi really doesn't have enough going on until the third act, and is too visually cheap and dull to make up for it. If the Endor and Death Star settings were on the level of Blade Runner visually, I think people would love it more.

I think we could just have a sticky with the documentary email link, reminding people here to tell them what we still want. Everyone can just send them something simple that says "we want the original versions of Star Wars to be sold at a quality equal to:" and then list the 5 lamest older movies you can think of that have normal current anamorphic transfers. Maybe it's pointless, but maybe it would nicely illustrate our beef if the doc has a scene where the Star Wars dvd and the TEEN WOLF dvd appear side by side and the question is asked "good enough for this...but not this?"

I like the "main" marvel stories once it got going. Brian Daley's Han books too. I also quite liked Dark Empire and the Heir to the Empire trilogy even though that was way too damn long. I have a feeling the novels got padded out (as opposed to Daley and Splinter of the Mind's eye) merely to appear more like "grown up" novels in the airport bookstore. After Dark Empire and Zahn it really just felt like a factory churning out stuff and it was a chore to keep up with, so I bailed. If Dark Horse would just do a simple monthly book continuing after Dark Empire, with a good permanent writer and artist, I would buy it. The marvels did a good job with "minor" adventures, which is how it should be, these constant earth-shattering crises every month just becomes hilarious.

Also, it's mentioned in the old making of paperback that the Ben scene was looped, reedited and rewritten after the fact, so it's very possible there's even footage of Alec Guinness talking about his brother Owen.

Well, I haven't really read any EU, I'm just going by the full-on fairy tale happily-ever-after ending of the movie.

Han in Jedi is a funny thing. By the end, he's essentially become a team player, with a grownup job in the new government and a wife. When we met him he was a dope smuggler! So he really did have growth in the movie. It just wasn't the kind of growth that anyone particularly wanted to see! On the other hand, killing him would turn the whole movie into some bullshit bittersweet thing that really would only satisfy some teenage posers who want Star Wars to be dark.

Seriously, just look around the internet you'll find tons of 35 year old guys defending the prequels and 14 year olds who think they're a joke. Add to that all the really young kids who mainly like the toys and the cartoon, which is a separate thing of it's own.

It's strangely compelling, in small doses. I hate the idea of a place that exists exclusively to give a corporation a daily free handjob, so I think it's good to chime in with a little discontent.

If the original versions are released, with their original look intact, I think it'll be surprising how easy it'll be to forget everything that came after.

Actually, the "extreme" T2 dvd does make you enter some code to watch the theatrical cut. The "ultimate" had the hidden alternate ending thing. If Cameron were doing this Lucas thing where you impose your current projects and fetishes onto your old movies, maybe the next dvd will have a version involving remote underwater cameras.

The original opening shot of Graffiti is in the dvd extras, if anybody wants to compare. I think it may have been done because the original shot had a tall building in the background that didn't fit the period, but I could be wrong. THX-Redux on the other hand, had a relatively big ad campaign and theatrical release. I think Lucas may have actually thought it had a chance at a Blade Runner-type rediscovery with teenagers or something.

It's like paying for fan fiction, it makes me feel dirty. (plus it turned the characters in to Kenny from South Park. Stuff just keeps happening to them constantly, it's hilarious.)