Baronlando

They already have a couple guys who are genuinely like that and seem to have ongoing carte blanche.

It's probably less about blu-ray surviving or succeeding as a business and more about that forum wanting their particular fetish to always be celebrated and free of negative thetans, like you see with all your various superfans.

Maybe blu-ray.com figures this is the most important release ever for the format so they don't like too much negativity around it. (We've already seen this in the general star wars world- you don't even have to be paid to be a shill for something.)

Uh, Ken understands 4k telecine, color timing/ etc. and some other pretty technical stuff that's come up in conversation around here over the years.

kenkraly2007 said: I just can't understand why the issue of the OOT not being released on blu-ray is a big issue it's not a huge deal for me.

Well, apparently you're not in OMEGA MAN and there are actually other people besides you.

(On the Greedo shoots first argument) The scene is edited exactly the same. They have just cleared that insanely large smoke-cloud from the original release - so you can see that someone shoots AT ALL!

Wait, what

Adywan is fighting the good fight over there, gotta like that. I've been lurking there since the May 4 thing, and it really is comical, including the posts that get deleted vs. the ones that don't, etc.. But there is actually something strangely reassuring to me about the whole thing, those 8 or 9 guys that keep falling over themselves to defend the honor of LFL are some Real Weirdos. It reflects so poorly on the current demographic state of the superfan and I don't think that can hurt.

TV's Frink said:

If the OOT and OT SE were released on DVD at the same time, I don't see why anyone would be justified in complaining about the SE.

But aren't the walkie talkies in E.T. still lame and worthy of mockery? Altering art for the sake of crass pandering to kids is always worth bitching about.

So...was that it for "Star Wars Media Day?"

Eh, I don't hate them, I just think it would be cooler if they never happened. I would like them to go away now, like relatives who stayed too long. Obi- Wan and the emperor had many good moments, so there's that.

Also, Phantom Menace really does have a level of lush detail that none of the other 5 really have, so it's a unique mix of styles. a political story, a kid's adventure and a space-travelogue, you probably won't ever see that again.

zombie84 said:

 This is why I wonder about the availability of stuff like Taxi Driver, Close Encounters, or maybe ST: The Motion Picture and Alien.

I believe none of those are out there. But JAWS is a good one, also you can get MEAN STREETS, which I'm fond of, although it's very low budget. The music and atmosphere is good for mono somehow.

Not a quote from Lucas, but from Sydney Pollack, (part of the same Film Foundation, when testifying at the same time GL did):

"Like all accurate representations of who and what we were, they deserve preservation in their authentic form. Like a building, a photograph, or a document it helps locate us in time and gives us a sense of the geography of our lives. We need an accurate understanding of the past in order to point us accurately toward the future."

Harmy said:

That I can agree with but in the case of the soundmixes it's also damn difficult to say which one is the real true original.

I would think it's gotta be the 70mm since those prints needed more lead time to be made, so would have been completed first?

edit-Now I'm wondering if the credits are different because of the lab used. I believe it was not unheard of for more than one lab to handle the prints depending on region. In other words, one lab for the New York prints, another for L.A. (In which case it's time for a Tupac/Biggie style east coast vs. west coast war.)

There were only a measly few 70mm prints on opening day, out of 40-ish theaters, so if it's a 70mm/35mm difference, I guess they both count as opening day/original?

http://www.fromscripttodvd.com/star_wars_70mm_engagements.htm

It's actually a print of a 3rd version that predates both of them. (I thought it was interesting that you can get a two-version disc, including serious restoration work on an old print, for 14 bucks.)

Anyone seen the new blu of LEGEND? It has both versions on the same disc, but not via branching, I didn't even know that was feasible. But the director's cut is a totally separate source, (an answer print) and looks damn good to me.

adywan said: i'm finding myself more and more disillusioned about being a Star Wars fan if this is what the fan base is becoming.

 But what's interesting is how fragile they are about this. It's not enough they're getting what they want, they're really delicate about just having any negative thetans introduced into the conversation. Which is a good thing because it keeps the issue more alive and noisy than if they were secure enough to just ignore us. 

Boy, those home theater guys are worse than the hardcore warsies. If you purport to care about film and a quality product you really should know better.

That's weird. My first thought was that actually supports the kooky Marcia Lucas theory, (since she'd be entitled to half of "STAR WARS-1977" but not "Star Wars Episode IV A NEW HOPE -1997".) But maybe there actually is something to that? It sounds similar to what happened with Blade Runner, in that from 1992 to 2006-ish, Jerry Perenchio's contention was that Warner could release the '92 version (for which they worked out a deal for its theatrical release) but not any previous or future versions without them undergoing a separate deal.

none said:

Here's a blurb of John Williams talking about changing the films:

The Hollywood Film Music Reader by Mervyn Cooke

http://books.google.com/books?id=FhUZ4nphj58C&pg=PA243&dq=%22george+lucas%22+preservation&hl=en&ei=_sj_TbS9Iqbw0gH3mPHEAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22george%20lucas%22%20preservation&f=false

When he mentions being given a version to work from that had the tempo, is this what he's talking about? I wonder if he knew the temp music was from a television special

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqRmWI6VAtc

It's probably this one

http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/issue65.html

I have archived all the important pieces from my own films, and I am a staunch believer it’s important that we all make an effort to preserve our cinematic heritage – before it’s too late. Except you, Clive Revill, you can eat a dick.

...

George Lucas

 

I used to go on TFN pretty often for a few years, there were like, 3 fruitcakes who would compare OT.com to a hate crime or whatever, I don't think anybody else cared.

Well if celestia is there, count me in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu4snSEn1MU

I think a big distinction should be made between the cgi which has been used in a pretty great and brilliant way for television (compare stuff now to seeing the same goddamm dirt road on every A-Team/Knight Rider/whatever every week) and an expensive movie like Wolverine that doesn't have a discernible reason for looking so schlocky.

By the time they get to JEDI it'll be 2017. You would think the technology will be pretty different by then. If you think the saga is an ill-fitting mishmash of 70s/80s/90s/00s now, wait till it's 70s/80s/90s/00s/early3D/latter3D/+2017 CGI.