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#67026
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
This one: http://www.davisdvd.com/images/starwars/sw_ld3.jpg

"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: The 1989 laserdisc was quietly reissued with the newly corrected letterboxed transfer, completely doing away with the "incredible shrinking ratio" problem. This release, pressed by Mitsubishi Japan, features the same catalog number as the 1989 release. So how can you tell the two apart? This corrected edition is released by "Fox Video." Coupled with the 1985 audio mix , this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film

And in the 1985 audio mix...

"effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering." Davis DVD Video Timeline

Actually, it sounds a little out of place. It was definitely recorded at a different time.


MeBeJedi, do you have the original 1989 version of the ANH LaserDisc or do you have the 1992 re-release of the '89 disc with corrected 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer?

Are you considering adding the 3PO line back in?

I hadn't really thought about it but after reading some earlier posts about the missing 3PO dialogue concerning the Death Star Tractor beam I started doing some research like a crazed Star Wars fan... hey wait, I resemble that remark

...and I began to think that while I do have many numerous "transfers" of ANH on DVD, I don't believe any of them have this line... well, at least not any of the good ones I should go check some of the early, crappy, bad audio-sync versions I have to make sure. Unfortunately though, all the "good" DVD transfers I have come from the same source (definitive collection).

I wonder why this line was taken out to begin with. I know according to the history of Star Wars that the movie was initially released without this line of dialogue and Ben Burtt added it in later. While Lucas has consistently made major mistakes in "adding" footage, I feel this line is crucial. I remember watching the new, "official" DVDs and wondering where that line was... ObiWan was just out there running around flipping switches... nobody ever told us that "the tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations". If ya ask me, this addition makes sense.

I think this discussion sort of died a page back or so... what does everyone think... should this be added back in... and if so, what about the extra muttering from Jawas after they capture R2?

I know a lot of people look at the "definitive" LaserDisc set and worship it like it is infallable and it would be blasphemy to say otherwise but as has been pointed out, the "Faces" set is better in many respects, however, both versions are missing the 3PO DeathStar dialogue we all remember from the VHS.

MBJ, do you feel that adding the 3PO scene will be easy enough to do... is this beginning to feel like one of those "two many cooks in the kitchen" projectt?
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#66994
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
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Originally posted by: xpfshost
Are there any Definitive Laserdisc DVD covers (with the Definitive artwork) for the TR47 set that have separate spines for each of the 3 movies? I've only been able to find a multi-disc cover...which doesn't help when I'm looking for a specific movie title. Were there individual covers for each laserdisc in the laserdisc boxset?? Thanks!

xpfshost


Most definitely... take a look on MySpleen for a Star Wars DVD Covers Collection uploaded by Rikter (aka Lord Rikter Blaksvn).

http://www.myspleen.net

You will need to register to use MySpleen but for all the great Star Wars (and other stuff) you will find there, it is definitely worth it.

You will need a Bittorrent Client such as g3Torrent to download.

I as well as others are seeding this collection out now.

Good Luck

BTW, if you look through either the "Edits" thread or possibly even the "Bootlegs" thread here you will find links to MySpleen for this collection among other things
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#66954
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
Time
As has been mentioned here numerous times, Kinkos is a great place to get your DVD Covers printed... especially if you don't have a good printer at home.

That being said, if you have a decent color printer at home and don't mind running through your ink then this is what I do and it works great for me:

HP PhotoSmart Photo Printing Software

You don't have to have an HP Printer to use this great software. In fact, I am using an Epson Stylus Photo R300M.

This is what I do, first, you will need to create a new print layout using "Legal" sized paper. Set this new layout to 10.8 inches wide and 7.25 inches tall.

Now, use this new "Legal" sized Layout (10.8 x 7.25) and then load up the image file you need to print.
Drag the photo over from the left (thumbnails) to the page preview on the right. You may have to adjust the image position but don't worry, it will come out fine.

Okay, now that you have the page ready, select "Print..." from the "File" menu and when the dialog appears, select the "Properties" button... you should see this to the right of the Printers list.

In the "Paper Options" section, make sure to select "Legal".

I know you are probably thinking... where the hell do I get "Legal" sized photo paper... well, years ago this would be a problem but in the age of borderless photo printing most printers will have no problem using a "Letter" sized sheet to print on with the "Legal" paper setting as long as the photo will actually fit on the page.

With that said though, do NOT select "borderless" when printing your DVD Covers.... the "borderless" feature will crop and stretch your photo to print on the selected paper size and that is not what we want.

I would recommend a semi-gloss or "satin" photo paper for use in printing DVD Covers. Hell, my wife works in Digital Photo Restoration so we have some great photo paper but when it comes to printing DVD Covers I use the Cheap stuff:

Burlington PrintWorks Satin Photo Paper (90 bright) - 8.5 x 11
Product #00470
http://www.myPrintWorks.com

You can pick this up at Target of all places.

Cheap stuff but prints DVD Covers great

One word of caution... you know how HP and Epson always tell you that you should use paper made by them for the best quality... well, there is some truth to that. The big difference is the drying time. Epson and HP custom make their photo paper to work with their ink and thus the ink will dry on their paper faster. That being said, make sure to be careful if you print on cheaper paper such as the Burlington Printworks paper I listed above. Give it some good drying time and after you cut it out and slap it into your DVD Case you will just sit back and say "damn, that looks good"

Well, of course a half way decent printer helps too

I hope that helps... sorry I have no idea of what to do on the Mac... I'm a programmer and not a Graphic Artist so I use a PC.

Good Luck
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#66940
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
Time
Rebel Rouser, while the dual Dr Gonzo and TR47 cover would indeed work for me and some friends who are waiting for me to burn some discs, I think a generic set would definitely be better.

You know what might be nice... at the top of the back where you list the transfer name... maybe instead put something like "As We Remember It..." or "A Transfer by a Fan, For the Fans...". Something

And then under this more generic transfer title, you can maybe put in something about how this is a transfer made by a fan for the fans as a way of preserving both memories as well as the artistic efforts made by all that worked so hard to make these films.

Just a thought... RR, expect a PM soon
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#66931
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
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Rebel Rouser, I love those covers man. Hey, I was thinking about something... I know my DVD Collection overfload my media cabinet a long time ago as I am sure has been the case for a lot of us....

Since the TR47 and Dr Gonzo versions are the most popular transfers available, what do you think about doing a set of covers intended to be used in slim double cases to hold both discs? Basically everything would be about the same but you would need to put something on the back to show this is a two disc set and list the features of both.

Just an idea.... I'm going to have to devote another shelf to Star Wars soon

Keep up the great work... those covers are smokn'
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#66720
Topic
Kevin Smith question
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Quote

Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
So MagnoliaFan, are you or are you not Kevin Smith?


I'm not so we would ever get an admission like that... do you?

I know if I was famous in Hollywood and I made changes to somebody else's work and released them on my own, underground as "bootlegs" I wouldn't go on a discussion board saying "hey, its me guys... don't sue me please".

Like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop, the world may never know.

NOTE: If you were around for the original trilogy you will definitely get that one
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#66660
Topic
Kevin Smith question
Time
I think there is a little confusion on what I have been calling the "Re-Edit" in previous posts and what people on this board think "re-edit" means. When the so-called "Phantom Editor" released the first fan edited version of Phantom Menace it was called "The Phantom Edit". This version included no additional scenes, or dialogue, it just cut out the crap. At this time a "Phantom Edit" discussion forum was created. Through this "Phantom Edit" discussion forum everyone discussed this version as well as a version known at the time to be the "Re-Edit". Where the "Phantom Edit" simply cut scenes, the "Re-Edit" changed dialogue, and even introduced a new language for the Gungans with English subtitles that made them and Jar Jar appear to actually be intelligent.

I was just looking through the "Edits" thread and noticed that this version is listed as:

Star Wars: The Phantom Edit 1.2 - The EAST COAST version

NOTE: Kevin Smith lives on the "East Coast"

The problem with this version was that while the "Phantom Edit" could be found just about anywhere.... hell, it was handed out in AVI form on the streets and eventually uploaded all over the internet, however, the "Re-Edit" or "East Coast" version was much more hard to find. I can't say I have done exhaustive searches but I occasionally search through my favorite haunts (eBay, P2P, etc) to see if I can find this version but alas, it is nowhere to be found. I went to my cousin's wedding a month ago and her husband told me he too was in search of this version but alas had never found it. I guess since back in the days everyone just called this the "Re-Edit" and I had never really heard it called the "East Coast" version that could have hampered my searches.

As you can see by the review in Rikter's "Edits" thread, this "East Coast" version is very hard to find in any format, even VHS.

I point this out because when I mention "Re-Edit" I see posts where it appears that people believe I am talking about the "Phantom Edit"... okay, sorry... I mean the "East Coast" version... now we're on the same page

Since I have never seen the "East Coast" version, I wonder of those of us out there who have seen it, is the Gungan language the same there as in MagnoliaFan's "Balance of the Force"?

I know MagnoliaFan has added in deleted scenes from the bonus featurs on the "official" DVD but many of his changes sound like what was discussed to be in the "East Coast" version back in the day.

Anybody want to chime in on the similarities?

BTW, I personally feel that Kevin Smith did create the "East Coast" version and MagnoliaFan may either be (A) Kevin Smith, (B) a friend of Kevin Smith or (C) a big Kevin Smith fan.
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#66580
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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That's it, I've had enough of this.... now yer just toying with us

MeBeJedi with each and every new screen cap you show it keeps looking better and better. Are you taking orders yet

Seriously though, the latest tweaks you have done are really revealing quality similar to the "offical" DVDs. This is a great acomplishment... good work
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#66587
Topic
Reconstructing our Childhood - an idea...
Time

Okay, I have seen a post here and a post there with people suggesting a “reconstruction” of the OOT through the use of the “official” DVDs and LaserDisc rips but no really big discussions… I thought it was high time we talk about this.

As some have pointed out, Lucas is obviously lying… the “bonus” disc in the new DVD Set is filled with cleaned up, anamorphic widescreen versions of the so-called “lost” footage that Lucas cut out in favor of CGI crap. You can find just about everything in the bonus features.

Tonight I sat down to watch “The Force Is With Them: The Legacy Of Star Wars” and unless I was just dreaming, this show even included the original Star Wars intro before the addition of the “Episode IV: A New Hope” and it was restored and in anamorphic widescreen.

I believe MagnoliaFan was putting together an OOT “A New Hope” utilizing a VHS screen cam of this original intro… the new DVD Bonus Features can now supply you with a digitally remastered, anamorphic version of this intro

So what does everyone think… can it be done… can we reconstruct the OOT by utilizing the “official” DVD Video plus clips from the bonus features and if and when necessary, audio from the LaserDiscs?

MagnoliaFan has proven that it doesn’t take a major studio to add in deleted scenes, introduce new dialogue and even change the language a character speaks in a movie. With the material that is available, is it possible to reconstruct our childhood memories?

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#66482
Topic
Kevin Smith question
Time
Well, at least MagnoliaFan's version "Balance of the Force" edits out a lot of the stupid Jar Jar scenes and replaces his voice with alien language and subtitles that make him look a little more intelligent.... Gungans too

Someone correct me if I am wrong... isn't MagnoliaFan's version just the "Re-Edit" with deleted scenes from the DVD mixed in and some additional changes?
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#66385
Topic
Kevin Smith question
Time
The MagnoliaFan "Balance of the Force" is also known as the "Re-Edit".

Whether or not MagnoliaFan is actually Kevin Smith remains to be seen... I'm new to this board so I have no idea... might just be a big fan of the "Jay and Silent Bob" flick where there was a guy on a discussion board named "MagnoliaFan".

Like the number of licks it takes to get the the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop, we may never know

Rik, Magnolia... want to chime in..... or do we really want to spoil that mystery?
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#66374
Topic
Kevin Smith question
Time
This theory has been out there for a long time... Smith is believed to have been involved in the creation of the Phantom Re-Edit (not the Phantom Edit, the Re-Edit ) as well as the new fan based version of Attach of the Clones.

Kevin actually admitted to owning a copy of the "Phantom Re-Edit" and he is known to be a huge Star Wars fan and has access to all the equipment needed to something like the "Re-Edit". He has been asked if he was involved but he will neither confirm or deny... he just smiles.

Whether Smith actually did have a hand in these, noone knows but it is cool to think that he did.

Anyone with more concrete information please chime in... I would love to know more about this as well
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#65940
Topic
StarWars.com wants us to show them our DVDs.
Time
Quote

Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
Or recreate a scene in the cantina where lucas is telling us of changes and then he throws his new boxset at us, we miraculously dodge it and then throw our bootleg boxset with tin back at him killing him...special edition style. Bitter? Yes indeedy.


Now that would be cool.... anyone remember the spoof pick of Han dodging Greedo's shot only to have it hit Jar Jar?.... anyone getting some ideas
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#65453
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Time
As I mentioned in the Comparison Pics post I made earlier, video image capture is hit or miss.... sometimes they come out spot on and sometimes everything can look much more blurry or even off in actual color saturation. The Dr. Gonzo screen grabs in my post earlier look more blurry than the rest... I'm not sure why... the actual DVD does not look that bad when viewing... just in the screen grabs.

MeBeJedi, in the new screen grabs you posted it looks at times as if "blurring" is being used which is washing out stars and fine details on white backgrounds (such as Leia's dress). Is this just the capture or are you using a "blur" filter?
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#65250
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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Originally posted by: eclipsevv
BadAsh71... after seeing the "Lucas edition" I feel quite bad thinking how great an official original trilogy DVD would have been.


Yeah, I know what ya mean... it'll make ya sick.

Still... even with the SE changes and the ESE changes, the "official" DVDs are a pleasure to watch and with the great quality we are getting in "bootlegs" these days I can have my cake and eat it too.

Hey, anyone that has the new "official" DVDs.... did you notice a line change in ESB.... when Luke first meets Yoda and goes back to his house... before Luke finds out that this is Yoda he tells him that he wants to become a Jedi like his father and unless I am just dreaming this, in the O-OT Yoda say "how fortunate I was he" but in the ESE version he says the phrase "most powerful was he, most powerful". I guess this goes along with the idea that this (all 6 movies) is a series of stories about Anakin and how powerful he had become but I still like the bad English Yoda-speak "how fortunate I was he".
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#65228
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
Time
Okay, after a long wait, I have found a FREE Image Hosting site thanks to TheSessler and was able to upload all of my Star Wars (aka A New Hope) Screen Shot Comparison pics. Thanks Sessler Thanks as well to Obi_Skywalker who also offered to host the images for me.

First off, you will be able to tell right away that all of our favorite OT "bootlegs" are way too bright when compared to the "official" Extra Special Edition DVDs. I started out trying to look at screen shots to see which of our favorite three (MeBeJedi, TR47 and Dr Gonzo) looked the best when compared to the "official" Extra Special Edition DVDs. Needless to say, it didn't take long to see that none of our favorite transfers could hold a candle to the "official" DVDs. It is so hard to come up with the right balance of contrast and brightness in a way that will work for the entire film(s).

That being said, I am posting these comparison pics today in an effort mainly to compare our favorite three transfers with the "official" shots being used for goal setting comparisons.

You will notice that the "official" DVD has so much more definition with its balance of brightness and contrast. In the best transfers that are out there now, the white on white scenes tend to look too "washed out" due to the brightness of the white walls and troopers.

As I mentioned earlier, the screen grabs I took were intended to match those that MeBeJedi posted earlier. By the way, thanks MeBeJedi for allowing me to use your pics for this comparison

Okay, without any further adoo, here are the pics

* Needless to say there are a lot of pics so be patient

George Lucas "official" Extra Special Editions - Shot A

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/7410/Lucas_000.jpg

MeBeJedi - Shot A

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/9593/MeBeJedi_000.jpg

TR47 - Shot A

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/25/TR47_000.jpg

Dr Gonzo - Shot A

http://img26.exs.cx/img26/2739/DrGonzo_000.jpg



George Lucas "official" Extra Special Editions - Shot B

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/9707/Lucas_001.jpg

MeBeJedi - Shot B

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/1548/MeBeJedi_001.jpg

TR47 - Shot B

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2595/TR47_001.jpg

Dr Gonzo - Shot B

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/4095/DrGonzo_001.jpg



George Lucas "official" Extra Special Editions - Shot C

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/8629/Lucas_002.jpg

MeBeJedi - Shot C

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2019/MeBeJedi_002.jpg

TR47 - Shot C

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/3407/TR47_002.jpg

Dr Gonzo - Shot C

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/3404/DrGonzo_002.jpg



George Lucas "official" Extra Special Editions - Shot D

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2557/Lucas_003.jpg

MeBeJedi - Shot D

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2307/MeBeJedi_003.jpg

TR47 - Shot D

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/1563/TR47_003.jpg

Dr Gonzo - Shot D

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/9035/DrGonzo_003.jpg



George Lucas "official" Extra Special Editions - Shot E

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/3293/Lucas_004.jpg

MeBeJedi - Shot E

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/4302/MeBeJedi_004.jpg

TR47 - Shot E

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/791/TR47_004.jpg

Dr Gonzo - Shot E

http://img79.exs.cx/img79/2357/DrGonzo_004.jpg



Okay, there ya have it. Please note that due to many different factors a screen shot may come out blurry and possibly not best represent the actual DVD... this is mostly due to limitations of the DVD software, capturing software and ultimately me

Keep up the good work MeBeJedi

-BadAsh
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#65084
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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Hello everyone, I got the "official" Extra Special Edition versions of the OT on DVD Friday and sat down today to take screen shots of various "bootlegs" for comparison. I have currently only done screen shots of "A New Hope". Here is a list of the "transfers" I am using:

George Lucas "official" Versions
MeBeJedi
TR47
Dr Gonzo

I thought if anything this would be great for comparing the currently available "bootlegs" that are out there as well as MeBeJedi's great new set. Since I don't yet have a MeBeJedi set I opted to use the screen shots he posted earlier (hope you don't mind). I then did screen grabs of all the transfers listed above using the same scenes MeBeJedi had done to aid in our comparison.

Unfortunately, I have no where to post the images and while I have in the past used a FREE host site for another forum, it will not take pictures as large as I have and I don't want to compress them more and risk sacrificing quality.

If anyone wants to host the images for me or knows of a FREE Image Hosting Site I can use please let me know.

Each image is between 150k and 250k. The total size is 3.09MB all together.

Please PM me if you can help.

Thanks