AxiaEuxine

I got the new 3 volume encyclopedia recently and highly recommend it. What a vast fountain of Star Wars knowledge goodness.

Someone posted a link to another Star wars forum the other day and I can not find that post. The forum was called Galactic Alliance or something. I could be totally wrong. It was posted as being a bit more non-ot friendly. Anyone know what forum Im talking about. It definitely wasnt tfn.

tia

Gaffer Tape said:

That's obviously your perogative to like what you want.  I just found it strange that every movie on your list was an re-edit of some sort, be it official or fan.  But anyway, here's my list:

 My list would stand as its listed above in their original theatrical forms, I just perfer the editions that I listed above.

Say what you will about Lucas and the prequels but John Williams is still the man, he should get an oscar everytime he writes a single note.

adywan said:

AxiaEuxine said: There are times that i really wish i could see the Star Wars saga like you do because it has been such a huge part of my life but i just can't see past all the flaws that the prequel trilogy has.

 

I wish you could too, before the division in fandom I could share my love of Star Wars with any fan. I truly miss those days, it was my one pure enjoyment in life. Nowadays I can't get into a conversation with anyone about Star Wars it seems without it turning into an argument of somekind. I wish everyone could enjoy Star Wars like I do. I really do. It makes me beyond sad when I watch Star Wars and think of all the people especially on these boards that dont enjoy Star Wars anymore.

The DVD release has some issues, yes. No one could deny that. But Im an original Star Wars fan and I like the SE and the prequels.

adywan said:
I have said many times that i don't hate the PT. Just because i rank them well below the OT doesn't mean i hate them (well apart from TPM). I just can't believe that you placed ROTS at number 1 above any of the OT. Are you serious or was that just to stir up some trouble because you don't like anyone that bashes your beloved PT? That film is garbage compared to ANH & ESB. Its worrying, and saddening,  when i see when some Star Wars fans rate the originals lower than the PT.

 Hey Adywan, I just watched your masterpiece again last night with my wife. Great stuff. I am not trying to stir up anything that would be junvenile. I know my opinions are unpopular here so I am trying to treat everyone with respect. My list is genuine. Im sorry you don't get the same jow out of the Star Wars saga that I do, that is saddening to me.

If we are talking about Star Wars then yes, I love the original editions. I also love the special editions and some fan edits, In fact I just got done watching SW revisted. what a mastepiece. It only makes me sad that he hates the prequels .

no, not denial. I love the prequels, sorry they didnt fullfill your expectations but I love them.

1. Revenge of the Sith (extended edition)

2. The Empire Strikes Back (ADM Edit)

3. Star Wars (Revisited)

4. Attack of the Clones (Extended edition)

5. The Phantom Menace (Extended edition)

6. Return of the Jedi (Spence 2.0 or ADM Edit)

RE: When did the prequels officially suck?

ummm never.

RE: When did the prequels officially suck?

ummm never.

At the end of the Luke/Vader fight we can barely hear Vader turn off his lightsaber and it happens off screen. Ady, could you add a louder sound effect to that? Its always bugged me.

adywan said:

well for one Yoda looks ridiculous jumping around like a damn flea and then becomes a frail old jedi once again after the fight. The whole saber fight between Yoda & Dooku is pathetic. The whole "It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force... But by our skills with a lightsaber" speech is bad beyond bad. Again a line to explain something that doesn't need explaining.

This may sound smartass and I dont mean it to, I really want to have a civil conversation about this but what exactly are you leaving in the PT? It sounds like you are cutting an enourmous amount out of the trilogy and it will be really short.

And personally I love Dooku's line, he is such a throw-back to the villians of yesteryear. Always liked Dooku. And I like Yoda's fight, Jedi are always jumping around, Yoda just does it alot.

What do you plan to do? Have Dooku cut off Anakin's arm, sigh and then board his ship and leave?

Yeah those snakes and gila monsters have got to go, that always bugged the crap out of me, why not a kitten and a bunny too?

adywan said:

He won't be seen with a lightsaber until ROTS when he beheads the troops.

So your excising the entire landing platform fight from Attack of the clones? Why?

ben_danger said:

the yoda - sidious fight, if it isnt removed ( i REALLY hated it) would be amazing if it is more like the wizards battle in harry potter V between voldemort and dumbledore, just lightening of two colours destroying everything around them. it would be neat having yoda never use his sabre (except when he beheads the clone troopers as ady said)

 Ady are you really thinking of not having Yoda use his saber?

LOVE the new binocular view

The Death Star at the end of ROTS was totally unnecessary and wrong on so many levels. So it took them 20 years to build the Death Star 1 but only 3 to build the second one? come on. Totally gone in Revisited.

I am toying with the idea that we don't see vader in the PT but I'm probably more inclined to give Vader a better role at the end. I want to see him hunting down and killing some of the remaining Jedi at the end not the stupid wimp screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" Also i never understood why the hell he needs a lifesupport suit when all that happened was he got burned. His lungs wouldn't have been affected. I'm going to be adding something that explains why he has to breath artificially when i get to ROTS:R

 What if they werent building one death star since bby19 and they were building two? and both took that long to build, why not add a second Death Star to the shot in even a less completed state instead?

How you add that kind of footage? Him hunting down Jedi? Just curious. again please dont remove Vader.

As far as life support there are little hair-like things in your lungs called Alvioli that actually help you breathe. If you were breathing in very hot air or were say on fire these could get damaged and life support would be needed.

oh no. i don't have to leave those in at all. You may have never had an issue with it but most people have and i certainly have. Having the sith create Anakin means that he was always destined to become evil and that takes away the whole story of how a good person can go bad. The PT is full of contradictions story wise. It needs an enema ;) And surely if they had created anakin so he would be able to destroy the Jedi then they would have made sure it was somewhere where the jedi would have spotted his skills, trained him as a jedi and given him the power to fulfil his destiny. Not have him born on an out of the way planet and left his discovery to chance. Even you yourself in your blog say that you don't like midicraplions but you say they have to be left in? Let me quote you

Midiclorians. No one likes midiclorians. I don't like them, you don't like them. One does not need to explain the mechanics of the Force. It's a spiritual thing. However I felt there had to be a reason why they were mentioned and briefly explained in The Phantom Menace and all but ignored in Attack of the Clones. For me this reason became clear during Episode 3. Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis could influence the Midiclorians to create life and stop people from dying. This of course was an important manipulation of Anakin and a major story element. I'm convinced Lucas planned this from the beginning hence the reason for midiclorians.

I think it could have been done differently and midiclorians are weak.

So you say that it could have been done differently but when someone mentions getting rid of them and then actually do it differently you are against it? Face it the PT is crap in comparison to the OT. They will never be hailed as classics as the OT was and still is. After reading your blog i'm almost sure you have watched a completely different set of films than everyone else

I thought for a moment that the removal of the midiclorians would diminsh the scene in the opera, but someone above pointed out how easy it would be to edit and still retain the quality of the scene. Im not against their removal.

Im violently against the removal of the manipulation of Anakin in the opera scene, its key to the entire trilogy and the Saga as a whole.

It is never said that Darth Plagiues created Anakin. Theres no evidence that this in fact occured. even the book about Darth Plaguies (yes I know you dont like EU) was cancelled. So theres not anything to say that Plaguies did this. The whole conversation about how much power a Dark Lord can achieve is key to Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, without it the whole story would fall apart.

last point: So you feel that anakin , the chosen one, being born to basically a nobody with no indication of who the father is is better storytelling than the classically mythical virgin birth?

adywan said:

And the hint that Anakin was created by the sith and the miracle Virgin birth will also be gone in Revisited. The PT needs to be given a complete make over whereas the OT is mainly cosmetics.

 I would ask you to read my editorial on the PT and OTSE to really understand my position on this. Link at the bottom of my posts.

As for taking out the Virgin Birth and Anakin created by the sith, you have to leave these in. The discussion at the opera is one of the best scenes in the trilogy and is a key component of Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin into turning. The virgin birth is a classic example of mythological lore, Ive never had an issue with it. It should be left in. Whats the alternative? Having this child of prophecy just be born to a slave with no mention of who the father ever was? I dont think that would be better.

Posted by Adywan..

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

I dont think the technology was a matter of being light years ahead of the OT. Its more a mtter of the Empire controlling what gets into the hands of anyone else but themselves. Not to mention the disposable nature/attitude towards it soldiers. Thats why the tech looks better in the PT.

I also feel that the Death Star construction shot at the end of RotS is awesome. This should definitely be left in.

Posted by another user (forgot his name)

Now, I know of some adywan's intentions, like, no Vader in ROTS...

I dont know if this is true or not, if it is I beg you to reconsider Adywan. The whole point of the prequel trilogy is Anakin's turn into the baddest Dark Lord ever, Vader.

Yeah that could work.

as long as it didnt sound like it had been gutted, but Im sure Adywan can handle that no issue.

I disagree with this. I love A New Hope revisited and cant wait for Empire, but Im afraid Adywan will do what every fan edit of any prequel movie has done and that is to completely gut them becuase  the editor didnt like anything about the prequels in the first place. I hope this isnt the case.

I say leave Threepio in.

I know the midiclorians are gonna be taken out but how do you leave the Opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin intact without them?

 Should anyone wish to discuss realtime Im on yahoo as darthaxia

I love the Jar-Jar idea but why would he take 3po out of TPM and AOTC?

Is there a thread or a list that gathers all of Adywan's ideas for the PT Revisited? I would like to offer my two cents but Id rather do it fully informed.