AuggieBenDoggie

Very nice job on that new clip Ady!  I really like the fact that more ships in the background are leaving now. 

Just curious though, but the part where Lando addresses the city, and we cut to the SE shot of the crowd outside listening, the over all contrast of that scene seems to be a little bit on the light side. Now I don't know how much real-time passes between that moment, up until we see Lando and company blast off in the Falcon, I'm guessing just a couple of mineuts. If it is just a few mineuts, shouldn't contrast of crowd listening to lando address the city be pretty much the same as when the Falcon blasts off?

Just an observation thats all....

Ham Salad said:

You bet your asteroid.

@ Sluggo Did you know those were real cinnamon rolls that "Princess Ann-Droid" wore in Hardware Wars.

((((TV's Frink)))) said:

Thanks but you misunderstood.  I wasn't here before the cutoff, so I won't be in the credits at all.  Oh well, there's always ROTJ:R...

Contact Ady, he may reconsider. There is still more than 6 months left before it's even ready. 

Will you be filming this month or next month or Later on your Hoth shots Rouge Leader?

((((TV's Frink)))) said:

If only it really could be in the credits...

Just give Ady a shout, I'm shure he can make an adjustment. It should stand out really well when the credits for us here at OT.com come up.

'"Tobar" said:

Ham Salad said:

Take it easy Kid, it's only a movie.

Nice plug Tobar!

Then you shall be known as ((((TV'sFrink)))). Which does look pretty cool btw. Gives you more character, and goes well with your Avatar, which looks pretty cool as well. That will also look good on the credits of ESB:Revisited.

Marcos_Edson" said:

 

Does not look more overkill to me than having three star destroyers trying to catch the Falcon on Hoth when it fails to jump into hyperspace and almost colliding in the process... :) Or when a little later the whole fleet, Executor included, goes after them into an asteroid field... :) :)

The chase didn't happen on hoth, it started at hoth and ended at the asteroid field. Also the empirel fleet was already together so it made sense to have a few capital ships go after the Falcon, and the empire accomplished nothing by going into the field, except for alot of damage. If you notice during the course of the whole OT, every time they send a bunch of capital ships to go after one small one, nothing was accomplished. So what are you trying to accomplish by having more capital ships around the Executor during their escape from Bespine? The Falcon is going to get away no matter what, unless you want Ady to change that.

I really think you are to obsessed at making the empire so bad-ass looking over anything else. BTW, the empirel fleet never went to Bespine, Just Vader and the Executor.  Thats why the Executor is the only ship by Bespine.

((((TV's Frink)))) said:

 

So ABD, I have to ask.  When you quote people, it sometimes looks like this...

Would you rather it look like this instead?

'Bingowings" said:

 

The capital ships were there to retrieve the plans, they knew that the guy who caused the scuffle in the Cantina was on the ship but they needed to be sure he had the plans otherwise they'd be shooting down ships for years on end. They wanted to stop them escaping with something they wanted.

They were there to retrieve the plans alright, but not specifically from Han to begin with. No one really knew Han was even helping Luke and Ben deliver the droids. When that spy informed the storm troopers which docking bay the droids were in, they had no idea Han and the falcon were in it, and Han basted out of tatooine so fast that they ran into the capital ships on patrol, not on route to intercept with prior knowledge. Also, to add to that, no one knew what kind of droid would even have the plans, which is why the storm troopers were asking everyone about their droids, and searching every where for any potential droid.  And to further proove that they didn't know who owned the ship , you only have to watch scene where they are searching the falcon on the deathstar. They only said the markings match the ship that blasted it's way out of mos-isley. No where in that movie did anyone say, "Hey look, this is Han Solos ship, We finally got the bastard that had the plans!!" And Han and company were hiding in the Falcon so the empire thought it was abandoned which doesn't make any sense, because they were being monitored when they came out of the Alderan destruction field and forced in via tractor beam.

And yes, those capital ships were only there to stop any ships from leaving Tatooine until they found the plans.

The death star escape debate here is sounding like a broken record now, so it's a moot point. Nothing more can be proven from it.

Back to ESB....  R2 was the one that finally fixed the hyperdrive with a simple turn of the knob. If lando kept trying to find out what was wrong ( on his own ) the Executor would have had the falcon in it's tractor beam.

Those capital ships by tatooine were all ready there to begin with, they were never specifically looking for the falcon. They were there to stop any ship from leaving.

About the death star escape; thats right, they only needed fighters, not capital ships.

Bingowings" said:

Normally Lando would but he is busy prepping the Hyperdrive which he thinks will work.

But even so they still have a lot of space to maneuver in, Lando isn't Han but if ROTJ shows anything he is almost Han and Han managed to dodge Star Destroyers and fighters and still program the Hyperdrive.

But having a couple of capital ships blocking off some of their escape and fighters pressing behind them while attempting to program the computer would put them into position where they would have to push forward until they could jump to light speed.

By the time they know they can't it's already too late.

Bingo, you don't need more Star Destroyers in that shot. That is over kill for that circumstance. The only thing that sequence could really benefit from is more Tie-fighters following the falcon. And until Ady can build the 3 foot model he's going to do, it would be difficult to pull off convincingly and not look like a composite.

Suspense is more tangible if the circumstances are more believable.

Star Wars is a fantasy film but the characters still exist in a defined world with rules.

Thats not necessarily true. They didn't send capital ships after Han in ANH when they escaped the death star. The only time it actually happened was prior to the asteroid feld sequence in ESB. 

But they are also unable to jump into hyper space because the hyperdrive has been disabled. So how are they going to dodge and blow them away when Lando runs back to try and fix it. Leia and Chewy cant do it, and Chewy is mainly a pilot not a gunner from my observation.

Good theory Obi-wan, but Vader wants the falcon captured by tractor beam, and the ties chasing the Falcon are forcing it towards the Executor so it can be within tractor beam range. Also, why would you want more Star Destroyers in the scene when the Falcon poses no threat to the Executor.The entire Imperial did not need to travel to Bespin.  The command ship would have been the only necessary ship to go to Bespin since that is the only ship Vader uses through out the whole movie.

They held back on the 2004 dvds. I recall reading something about Lowry Digital saying something at a convention. They said something about wanting do do more work on them, and somebody from Lucasfilm quickly hushing them up. I think it was millenniumfalcon.com that reported it.... I think.

"Nicholas J. Michalak" said:

 

Considering all the minute details that are being addressed with ESB:R,  It's just good to see someone giving these films the attention and care they deserve instead of rushing out a release which add more flaws than it fixes.

Yeah, this edit is far from being a rushed release. It was originally planned to be released this month, on the anniversary of the original theatrical release of ESB. Things never go as planned, and Ady has had alot of things come up that has delayed the project. The minute details are really nothing to deal with. Family, housing, and financial issues had given Ady a pretty rough time. Not to mention some of his direct help with the project has gone AWOL. ESB:Revisited is going to get first class results no matter what. Ady is that committed.

EDIT: I'm not suggesting here that you were thinking ESB: Revisited was being rushed.

I agree with you regarding Temura Morrison. I also think Boba fett in the prequels should have never been a clone, he should have been a different kid all together. Another result of Lucas trying to make the OT fit the PT.

I recommend reading the actual debate instead of the list of fixes on page one. The list may not be 100% up to date, but I could very well be wrong. If not, score big points for you dude!

Bingowings" said:

 

If posts of that nature really aggravate you I suggest that you don't read the thread or as soon as you see a post going in that direction skip to the next one.

People want to help Ady make his projects the best they can be.

It's up to Ady what he actually does but posting those suggestions comes from a genuine desire to make these projects go well.

Sure some of these posts read pedantic and retentive but that's how ironing out errors and making improvements are made.

Oh I would like to skip to the next thread, problem is that it's almost always the same thing again.

People helping ADY make this is not the problem Bingo, it's how they do it is what the problem revolves around. I think desire is always a great thing to have when helping out, it's just that the desire ( for this edit atleast ) is often over shadowed by obsession over pointless detail.

"Nicolas J Michalak" said:

 

I noticed this while watching the film the other day, and is either an easy or difficult fix, depending on your preference.  After Vader slices off Luke's hand, in a low angle shot on Luke, you can see Vader's lightsaber is still ignited, but in all subsequent shots, it has already been turned off.  There is no SFX of the saber being switched off, either.  The film cuts like this shot one cuts to a medium shot of Vader (with the saber out of frame), and then, to the second shot below where the saber is off.  So, you could potentially add in the SFX when it is out of frame.  The alternative is painting out the saber in three different shots following Luke's hand being cut off.

I'm almost certain that was covered in the great "weather vain debate" of 2009; or was that earlier this year?. I cant say what page it's on so you will have to search. My apologies dude.

"ADYWAN" said:

 

I've got to admit i have no problem whatsoever with the "stardestroyer" line. Now if they were all directly looking at it or we could see the stardestroyer when she says the line then i would agree that it's something that didn't need to be there. But, if you look at the scene, Lando and chewie are very preoccupied and haven't noticed that they are heading towards it, then they turn away from it.  Yes, Carrie does deliver the line in a very bland way but unless i can find an audio clip of Carrie delivering a more convincing "stardestroyer" line then it will not be changed.

The part where they turn away from the Executor is where I think a problem surfaces Ady. Moments later we see Vader looking out a window and we see the Falcon make the same maneuver again ( turning away ) this time alot closer to the Executor. I think perhaps making the Executor appearing really small and quickly getting larger as the Falcon gets closer ( without turning away ) could fix a potential continuity problem that I think there is at least.

 

I made the "least amount of work" comment before i had properly sat down and studied the movie. When i had actually done that i noticed so many things that needed fixing, a lot more then i thought it would be. Then there are the things that just can't be fixed with a quick FX fix, like the Wampa design discontinuities, the shield generator explosion which in turn needed new trooper elements to be filmed because of the many bright white frames they added for the explosion, then the "vaseline" smudged troopers fleeing the Walkers (which strangely enough doesn't seem to be a problem in the GOUT) and all the other shots that needed replacing with physical elements and not CG. Just because there have been many suggestions on what could be done to the movie this doesn't mean that these are actually being done to the movie.

Ady, it's just the crazy suggestions that are getting aggravating, and not the major/minor changes being applied. There are a couple of forum members here ( and I wont name them ) that dissect and analise shots that literally last a fraction of a sec, and without enough common sense, or research on their part, they throw it up here on the boards, and then they push it for 2 or 3 pages. I should have focused on that in my original post instead of generalizing on issue.

On a related subject, I recall the debating from a forum member about the shadows on the Falcon from the new Bespin approach shot you posted that got pretty aggravating. 

EDIT: Bingowings is excluded from this rant, lol.

"Bingowings" said:

 

But it makes the point I think.

I respect your opinion Bingo, but Leia pointing out to the executor and saying "Look, Star Destroyer" isn't any different than Lando doing the same thing when they approach luke. Lando points out and says "Look, someones up there".  You have 2 instances here playing out in the same exact manner.

Just wanted to point that out, no offense to you at all.

LOL, thats one f**cked up character dude! Please tell me there is not a toy figure for this...

LOL, thats priceless Bingo! If I can make out that scene description, it appears to say "While not a master of intellect, the blatantly obvious things we often take for granted never escape his keen eye" . And the horse looking at the guy as a carrot; this illustrator was very creative.

Anyway, I guess we will have to see whether or not Ady wants to change it.

Cheers brash_striker, and cheers to Bingowings for bringing up the issue to begin with.

Not to worry Bingowings, the term "Crazy" was just used for theactrics, and not accusing you of being insane.  No one here that I can recall of is actually crazy, just crazed thats all. ;P

In my opinion, that scene is perfect as is.  Don't forget, you had Irvin Kershner as Director on this. Far better than what Lucas could have done if he had directed this himself.   I think Kershner wanted Carrie to play that line of dialog off as natural as she could as Princess Leia during a serious moment. After all she is in charge during the escape from Bespine. Leia is a pretty calm, focused and collective character. A little moody at times but she never plays backseat to anything, even though shes actually sitting in a back seat during that scene. A trait that I think alot of people seem to not notice for some reason.  I doubt Ady makes any change of that type to that scene.

However, Ady could reconstruct that scene visually where the executor appears in some other fashion after she mentions it. One idea would be to have it much further back in the distance, and rapidly getting closer as the Falcon approaches.

Having the Executor as close as it is when she says the line is what the problem is really all about, and not the line itself. Thats what I would be suggesting to ady instead of the line change.

How about it Ady?

"Bingowings" said:

With ESB, I don't think there is much broken with the film that needs repairing. ESB is beautiful in so many ways that Ady wants pay tribute to it by giving it a loving, clean, and a nice new frame.

As always the Revisited series are an attempt address the problems with the SE not with the theatrical version.

In terms of the OT ROTJ, there are problems in every version, and may actually give Ady a more free canvas to play with than working with the first two films, which are held with such high regard.

That said, just look back at the ta'do with "Lando Lives" to see how frustrating changing ROTJ might be in the future.

I fully agree with you regarding EBS and ROTJ, although killing Lando off in ROTJ is still a mistake in my opinion.

"BarBar Jinkx" said:

You know, for a movie that was going to have the least amount of work done to it for the revisited edits as it was a "perfect movie", there sure is a lot of things being suggested to fix it :-P

I agree. I never thought this edit would have gone this far. I originally thought that Ady was just going to color correct, fix the continuity errors, and change some of the problems the SE version caused. Now it's going through some major visual changes, and all of the suggestions that have come along ( with concept pics ) have also made a massive impact. This is edit is kind of approaching a point ( for me at least ) where it loosing it's appeal. While a few of the suggestion have been really cool, alot have been a crazy. Like the latest one where someone wanted leia's "look, Star destroyer"line changed.