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#316610
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316610/action/topic#316610
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Fang Zei said:

I remember reading on wiki that when 24fps movies are transferred to NTSC dvd, they're usually laid on the disc at 23.976. So does the dvd player then apply the pulldown on-the-fly in order to make it 29.97 and then send it off to the tv?

Normally, yes. The video stream contains pulldown flags so the dvd player "knows" what fields to duplicate. But a dvd can also be 29.97 fps hard encoded.

The reason I ask is that I'm wondering what the big deal about progressive scan dvd players are. Is the big deal about the fact that they're able to, um, not apply the pulldown and just send it off to the (presumably HD) tv? How does it all work?

From what I understand that's the idea. But I don't really know much about HD TVs. I hope someone else can answer this.
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#316609
Topic
China
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316609/action/topic#316609
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FanFiltration said:

Arnie.d said:

I love the Great Wall of China.


Said to be the only man-made object that can be seen from space. When the smog is not too bad that is.

"They've got a wall in china
Its a thousand miles long
To keep out the foreigners they made it strong
And Ive got a wall around me
That you cant even see
It took a little time
To get next to me" - Paul Simon (Something So Right)


I'm pretty sure you can also see the Piramids and other objects (not that I've been in space...).

They shipped a few soldiers from the Terracotta Army to the Netherlands. I want to go and visit the museum were they are on display if I have the time. I read a newsreport a few weeks ago saying the soldiers dug up so far may only be the tip of the iceberg.
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#316574
Topic
Burning Dual-Layer Discs For The First Time
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316574/action/topic#316574
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adywan said:

Arnie.d said:

Yes, the pioneer burners are very good. I've used them since the 102 model. I know have a 111 and a 112 in my pc (and I previously had the 102, 104, 106, 110, 111 and 112. I have burned hundreds of single layer discs and close to a hundred dual layers discs and I have never had a coaster. But I'm only using my pioneers in combination with ImgBurn and verbatim media.

I'd stay well clear of the later Pioneer models, especially the SATA ones like the DVR-215. It just refuses to burn dual layer discs, even with the latest firmware (i have 2 drives and both have the same problem). Failed to burn any, including verbatim, yet when i try the same discs in my external LG drive they burn with a 100% success rate. I would recommend the LG drives over the newer Pioneer ones anyday

That sucks. It's hard to believe.

What program do you use to burn? Are you using a PC or Mac?
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#316573
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316573/action/topic#316573
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Knightmessenger said:

I don't mean the dvnr, I mean the image blur done only for the dvd release. Whatever people keep saying about why the laserdiscs have slightly more vertical detail. Wasn't it to inverse telecine? So the interlacing created from making an NTSC 29.97 fps video that on the '93 master tapes and laserdiscs, wouldn't that vary in each shot like with any interlaced video?

Interlace is different from telecine. A telecined movie was originally 24 frames/sec. The frames are split into fields and some field are repeated to go from 24 -> 30 fps (23.976 -> 29.97). So if you properly undo this you get the original 24 fps (23.976) so no blur will occur. A video that's interlaced like a home movie shot with a camcorder cannot be IVTCed. It can only be deinterlaced. It was shot at 29.97 fps so the "source" never was 24 fps. The fields that make up one frame aren't shot at the same time. What I mean is the camcorder records at 59.94 fields per second. So if you deinterlace a fast moving scene (so you put together two fields that are shot after eachother) the frame is a bit blurred.
I would never try do deinterlace/IVTC a home movie shot with a camcorder. In my opinion the interlaced video always looks better and more smooth. If you captured home movie and you want to crop/resize you can unfold the fields using avisynth, apply the filter and refold them.

The GOUT master was probably oversharpened (which probaly created the jaggies) to look better when played as a Laserdisc. And to mask the jaggies for the dvd release they probably applied a vblur.
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#316533
Topic
SW films dubbed in other languages
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316533/action/topic#316533
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Personally I cannot stand movies dubbed in another language (except animated movies). I want the original language. In the Netherlands we always have subtitles. When other countries started dubbing series and movies a long time ago it was finacially not doable in the Netherlands because we are too small a country. So we got subtitles instead. Thank God for that.

I had a Star Wars trilogy bootleg with a chinese dub.
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#316532
Topic
China
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316532/action/topic#316532
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vbangle said:

Here's a question:

Which is a poisonous gas? Or should I say which is poisonous to the planet? CO or CO2? CO. CO2 is what green plants BREATHE....in fact the more CO2 there is the GREENER the planet......you would think tree huggers would know that.....go figure.

I think pretty much anything can be poisonous if you get too much of it.

I think when plants grow (so water, sunlight, temperature, etc are good enough) CO2 is actually the limiting factor for plants and trees. It's funny you mention it because a few days ago I was thinking if the CO2 in the atmosphere doubles or triples how much faster everything would grow.
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#316511
Topic
China
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316511/action/topic#316511
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lordjedi said:

Arnie.d said:

Johnboy3434 said:

I can't help but snicker when people say that humanity is "killing the planet". You know what it takes to kill a planet? Asteroids. The size of Texas. If we piled every nuclear, biological, and otherwise unsavory weapon into one spot and set off the biggest fireworks display in the past 65 million years, I guarantee you that, 100 million years later, intelligent life would still be alive and kickin'. Would they be human? Probably not. But the point is that this planet is a tough old bird, and it's nothing short of arrogant to think we could take her down for the count. And that's not even taking religious beliefs into account.

Ofcourse some life will find a way and something will survive. But if we continue like we are doing now and in 100-200 years there are 15-20 billion people on this planet it can no longer sustain us and there won't be much untouched wilderness left. We are killing the natural world as it existed 100 years ago.


First, that is a drop in the bucket compared with the entire history of this planet. Second, the last ice age wiped out a lot in its path and that happened, what, millions of years ago? Maybe it was thousands, not exactly sure.

The point is that 100 years is NOTHING compared to what this planet has been through. Considering that a ME event (Mass Extinction Event) is pretty much what it seems to take to wipe out life (think asteroids that size of Texas like Johnnyboy said) and I think "global warming" is just being politicized WAY to much.

Scientists know that the climate is changing, but they don't know exactly why. They think it might be caused by humans (what a great way to get more funding), but they're not entirely sure. How do we know that it's not a natural cycle? How do we know we can even stop it? We don't. We think we're so great and can do anything as long as we put our minds to it. The reality is the exact opposite. Sure we can recycle and do what we can with what we're given, but if climate change is a naturally occurring process, then there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop it. And even if we tried, we're more likely to screw things up in the process than we are to actually prevent anything.

If you want to survive this planet, then you're better off putting effort into space exploration. The only sure way to survive this rock is to get off this rock.

100 years is nothing but that doesn't have anything to do with what we are doing to the planet. The last ice age ended 10.000 years ago.

The ammount of fossil fuels we use in a year took the earth 10 million years to produce (or was it 100 million?). But destroying the earth isn't only producing CO2. I agree we can't control the climate and we don't know if and how much we are causing it. But that's not what I consider destroying the earth. It's the destruction of the natural world because of human expansion.

I'm all for space exploration and I think that's where our future lies. I wish we could spend all the money we spend on the military on space exploration.

FanFiltration said:

The abundant lack of intelligence of people who post on this forum just floors me.

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/knowgraph.gif

Is this graph about religion? :P
Seriously what is this based on?
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#316510
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316510/action/topic#316510
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Knightmessenger said:

I find the 2004 versions unwatchable because of the botched color. I wouldn't mind the 97 versions. The fact that the Gout actually trumps (color and contrast) over a supposedly dvd state of the art restoration should be the most embarassing. The '04 versions look bad on any display.
I've never seen any of the laserdiscs (don't have a player) but I had the anamorphic cowclops v. 2 set. (what kind of a name is cowclops, anyway?) The gout looks much better. Far less digital compression, which makes the '93 video image and all its flaws much clearer.
Could someone explain the blurring to me? Depending on the amount of motion, wouldn't the interlacing completely vary from shot to shot?

Do you mean the blurring of the GOUT or CC2?

What do you mean by interlacing vary from shot to shot?
Post
#316472
Topic
China
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316472/action/topic#316472
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Johnboy3434 said:

I can't help but snicker when people say that humanity is "killing the planet". You know what it takes to kill a planet? Asteroids. The size of Texas. If we piled every nuclear, biological, and otherwise unsavory weapon into one spot and set off the biggest fireworks display in the past 65 million years, I guarantee you that, 100 million years later, intelligent life would still be alive and kickin'. Would they be human? Probably not. But the point is that this planet is a tough old bird, and it's nothing short of arrogant to think we could take her down for the count. And that's not even taking religious beliefs into account.

Ofcourse some life will find a way and something will survive. But if we continue like we are doing now and in 100-200 years there are 15-20 billion people on this planet it can no longer sustain us and there won't be much untouched wilderness left. We are killing the natural world as it existed 100 years ago.
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#316470
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316470/action/topic#316470
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Yes, but if you use VirtualDub filters, there is a conversion to RGB, which was the point in my original post about not using VirtualDub for scaling (scaling is done via a filter).

You are right about your original point.
But if I have an avi in yv12 format and I open it in virtualdub and save it as an uncompressed yuy2 avi does virtualdub convert it from yv12 -> rgb -> yuy2? Or does it depend on using full processing mode or fast recompress? And what about direct stream copy, I assume it will stay in the colorspace of the original without being converted to rgb in between?
I'm using virtualdubmpeg btw but I don't think that makes any difference for this.
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#316466
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316466/action/topic#316466
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Yes, VirtualDub can import and export in plenty of color spaces, but its filters work in RGB. There's a reason for the fast recompress option - it bypasses the filters and thus the color space conversion (useful if you only use VirtualDub for cutting and as an encoding front-end).

Colorspaces are filterspecific but virtualdub itself can process any colorspace. I can open any avi and compress it with whatever codec and colorspace in virtualdub. Besides I don't use any filter in virtualdub, I only use avisynth and feed it to virtualdub.

It obviously depends on the device, but many have quite advanced scaler chips that do something like NNEDI (a slow, high-quality AviSynth scaler) in real-time. Also, unless you have a CRT, it will get scaled to the display's native resolution in real-time anyway, anamorphic or not. Like I typed earlier, I'd much rather have one conversion from the original master video (master->display) than two (master->anamorphification->display).

I don't. Besides the GOUT looks like shit and needs much more work than just scaling. So why not in the process make it anamorphic.
Also, the PAL version were made from the same NTSC master so it had to be resized (and cropped) anyway. Another chance to make it anamorphic.
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#316462
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316462/action/topic#316462
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totsugeki said:

Since they took the video off an old laserdisc master I'm 99% sure the master wasn't anamorphic, so making it anamorphic on the DVD would gain nothing. Actually, resampling by only 33% does damage to the fine details. And I wouldn't use VirtualDub for scaling anyway, since it operates in RGB instead of YUV.

Star Wars deserves a Blade Runner style restoration, but since it didn't get one, I'm glad they didn't mangle the video further by artificially making it anamorphic - I'll take the original master over a faux-anamorphic one any day. Your DVD player or widescreen TV has a button to control aspect ratio - use it.

You can select any colorspace you want in virtualdub.

What do you think your widescreen tv or dvd player does when you use the aspect ratio button? It scales the image on the fly and probably isn't is as good as resizing it on a PC using avisynth (and/or virtualdub).
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#316453
Topic
A Long Time Ago... - Share Your Star Wars Story
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316453/action/topic#316453
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My first memories of Star Wars are when I walked into the living room when my dad and older brother were watching a new hope. I must have been 5 or 6. I clearly remeber Obiwan scaring of the sandpeople. My father explained Obiwan has this "force" so the sandpeople are scared of him.

My dad made a copy of the trilogy on the good old Video2000 vcr. It was such a good machine. It actually had double sided recording capability so all three movies fit on one tape! In weekends I usually woke up at 6 and the first thing I (and sometimes my brothers) would do was watch Star Wars.

I remember watching the oot so many times, not the whole movies but mostly parts we liked like the "snow battle" as we called it.

Soon after the movies came the toys. I remeber walking into the toystore and they had the Millennium Falcon hanging from the ceiling. I never got it though. I still have all my other toys like the AT-AT and the B-Wing. And ofcourse a lot of action figures.

But me "living" Star Wars wasn't limited to toys. When playing outside we recreated the story for ourselves. Also the Ewok movies btw. I really liked those as a kid.

I never saw the oot in the theatre because in 1977 I didn't exist yet. And for Empire and Jedi I was too young. Well, maybe I could have seen Jedi, but at that time I hadn't seen Star Wars yet. I never cared to go to the SE. At the time I thought it was stupid (now I kind of like it). But I hate the 2004 SE.

The first ever movie I saw in the theatre was Willow. To this day I absolutely love that movie.
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#316421
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316421/action/topic#316421
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Personally I believe the GOUT looks better than any (DC) LD to DVD transfer to date. The GOUT has more horizontal resolution/detail than the DC LD (which is a limitation of the LD not the mastertape). But the DC LD has more vertical resolution/detail than the GOUT (resolution that must be on the mastertape) so they screwed something up big time (they probably used a vertical blur to mask the jaggies according to Laserman).
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#316417
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316417/action/topic#316417
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Johnboy3434 said:

Arnie.d said:

If anything at all they wanted it to suck.


There's a difference between not caring if it sucks and actually wanting it to suck, you know? I don't think anyone goes into a business venture wanting their product to suck.

Have you watched it? :P
Seriously, there's is more detail in the DC laserdisc image so whatever they did to it made it worse.

ESHBG said:

I have many theories, with this being one:
Erikstormtrooper said:


2) Here's another possibility. Maybe the GOUT was made years ago, in the late 90s, when non-anamorphic was still common. For some reason, GL sat on this for years. (We all know George has a tendency to finish things and then sit on them, like the cgi yoda in TPM). This probably cost something back when it was done, so GL decides in 2006 to just use it as an "extra", and make some money off of what was otherwise a bad investment. Again, some tech probably mentions that ANAMORPHIC IS THE STANDARD. Word comes down from on high that the GOUT will be non-anamorphic. End of discussion.


IMO this was all done to bleed even more money out of the fans and the new "converts" who saw the OOT for the first time via the bonus disc. It was a win/win for George: he didn't really spend any money on the transfer, he got to unload tons of SE discs that didn't sell that well two years prior, you had to buy the movies individually... When a new SW OOT product pops out someday (which I believe it will), it will be anamorphic, and many people who bought the '06 discs will buy again.

George is a money maker, and he will squeeze every dime out of the series that he can.

I don't believe they used unsold 2004 release discs for the 2006 release. Mine certainly were different pressings.
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#316414
Topic
Why is the GOUT not anamorphic?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316414/action/topic#316414
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The GOUT is non-anamorphic because they didn't care about the quality. If anything at all they wanted it to suck. And it's not that they didn't test how it looked because they blurred it like a motherfucker to mask those terrible jaggies.

The star wars trilogy bonus disc from 2004 is completely anamorphic. Even the old Star Wars trailers that are 4:3 P&S on the DC are anamorphic.
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#316393
Topic
China
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316393/action/topic#316393
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lordjedi said:

Arnie.d said:

Maybe China as a country will become (is?) the biggest pollutor. But aren't the figures something like: US 4% of the population, 25% of pollution? And why is China polluting like it does? Because the entire western world wants cheap products and we move production over there. Very convenient without all those shitty rules.


China pollutes like it does because they can. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with "the western world" and everything to do with not having environmental controls in place. They have a communist government that answers to no one but themselves. If you protest, you're jailed, it's that simple.

Ofcourse it has to do with us. We ship our electronic garbage to China because they just dump it somewhere (we would have to process it). All the products they make are for the most part for western countries not for their own use. We know they have shitty rules but we allow them to pollute as they do because of our own greed.
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#316372
Topic
China
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316372/action/topic#316372
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Maybe China as a country will become (is?) the biggest pollutor. But aren't the figures something like: US 4% of the population, 25% of pollution? And why is China polluting like it does? Because the entire western world wants cheap products and we move production over there. Very convenient without all those shitty rules.
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#316225
Topic
Boba Fett?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316225/action/topic#316225
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I was looking at the characters info of the JSC and I noticed something strange about Boba Fett:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6815/dsc57581280x768nt6.jpg
It looks more like Bossk to me but I also think you can see the shadow of Boba's jetpack on the wall. The image is to vague to really see.

Anyway, my question is is it an error in the laserdisc info (is it a different character standing in the background at Jabba's Palace or something) or is this what Boba Fett originally looked like without helmet?
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#316050
Topic
Is a "seamless branching" DVD of all the versions of a SW film possible?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316050/action/topic#316050
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I also tried multiple angles for a project. Although it worked very well in the end the problem is the total bitrate of the muxed stream can not be higher than normal maximum bitrate so if you have 2 angles the video bitrate for each angle is cut in half. Not to mention 3 or 4 angles... And ofcourse it only works for 2 different versions of the same scene that have the same number of frames. So you can't solve the problem of inserting deleted scenes with multiple angles.

I think you should start with something simple like ROTS. I only know how to do it without subtitles.

1) Rip the movie to your hdd and demux it using vobedit. You just need the .m2v and .ac3 (5.1) files.
2) Rip the deleted scenes to your hdd as seperate vobs and demux them with vobedit. You just need the .m2v and .ac3 (5.1) files.
3) Use cuttermaran to cut the .m2v and .ac3 movie streams at the places where you want to insert the deleted scenes.
4) Use cuttermaran to paste all the seperate .m2v and .ac3 movie and deleted scene files in the correct order. You now have one big .m2v and .ac3 file of the entire movie including the deleted scenes.
5) Open the .m2v and .ac3 in dvd-lab pro. Now you have to frame-index the .m2v file and set the chapter points. You MUST set a chapter point at the first frame of every deleted scene and at the first frame of the scenes following every deleted scene. And set chapter points at every other scene you like.
6) In dvd-lab pro you can make a playlist. You should make one playlist that includes every scene and one playlist that includes every scene except the deleted scenes. That way you can make 2 menu buttons, one to play the movie with and one to play the movie without deleted scenes.
7) After authoring you have to open the .ifo file with dvdremake and mark every chapterpoint as seamless otherwise there can be a slight pause when a deleted scene has to be skipped.
That's it!
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#316043
Topic
Oliver Stone's "W" with Josh Brolin playing George W. Bush
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/316043/action/topic#316043
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lordjedi said:

Arnie.d said:

lordjedi said:

skyjedi2005 said:

this movie is from the same guy who did the movie nixon which was overly dramatic one sided, and untrue to historical events.

typical of the lefties.

i'll ovoid this movie like the plague unless it is funny as an accident, kinda like farenheit was lampooning how stupid bush was, before family guy and american dad got in on the act.


You would be better off watching the movie (I didn't say pay for it) and making notes of all the inaccuracies. That way, when people like Arnie try to claim something as fact from the movie, you'll be well armed to dispel the myth.

Of course, that won't matter much I guess. Most of the people that go to see the movie will already have their minds made up and nothing anyone says to dispute the claims in the movie will change their mind. Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11 had the same effect and people continue to speak the falsehoods portrayed as facts from those movies.

A list of inaccuracies would be helpfull indeed (btw, is there a list for columbine and fahrenheit?)


Are you kidding me? Simply search Google for "bowling for columbine truth" and "fahrenheit 9/11 truth". Among the hits you'll find these two sites:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1099142634.shtml

There are many others. Seriously, it's not hard to find sites that show what a bunch of crap both movies were. It's Michael Moore. Everything he does can be taken with a mountain of salt.

Sorry. Lazy me didn't do a google search. I didn't know there are so many.