AntcuFaalb

drngr said:

The one on Usenet is just a binary combine of the three Russian .MPG files.

There are multiple issues with that HDTV capture, some of which were discussed in the thread that spawned this one.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Matrix-with-original-theatrical-color-timing/post/638963/#TopicPost638963

• At least a couple glitches in the recording, and the pulldown pattern changes at least once.
• There is horizontal aliasing. It looks like they took a 1440x1080 HDCAM master and resized it to 1920x1080 using point-resize. This can be fixed by downscaling and upscaling horizontally with a softer resizer. (I did that for the screenshot comparison)
• Recording stops during end credits.
• Being Super35, they cropped the sides off a bit to make the open matte transfer.
• Compression.

Thanks for this information!

I think I was able to fix the glitches with "force film" in DGIndex. It fixed four field-order transition errors.

I'll check for any combing using TIVTC later tonight.

My plan is to downscale to 720p, which should reduce some of the visible macroblocking. I haven't decided what to do about the aliasing.

ilovewaterslides said:

AntcuFaalb said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

By the way, the HDTV I'm talking about is a russian one, 1080i mpeg2 29.97fps hard telecined, divided in three .mpg files. And it seems that this one has not tiny black borders on the left, apart on few scenes (like the one in the last image in my previous post) where there is a 4-pixel border on the left.

OK, it sounds like we have different HDTV caps.

So you have a different HDTV version? Does yours have the missing ending credits?

Interesting. No, it doesn't, but it also doesn't have all the wacky problems others have brought up.

spindown said:

AntcuFaalb said:

deepanddark20 said:

When it comes to theatrical versions, Harmy's Despecialized Editions are so much better looking than any other version that I can't believe there's any debate about it. We're not talking a small difference here; put the other versions side by side and the superiority of Harmy's picture quality sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm a fan of dark_jedi and I am eagerly keeping an eye out for his next release, but until then I don't think there's really a contest here.

It's not always about picture quality...

So what are the actual differences between Harmy's Despecialized Editions and, say, Team Blu's GOUT upscales? I understand that they approach the problem of preserving the films in very different ways - but if you only look at the end result, are there any noticeable differences between them apart from picture/sound quality?

Excluding color-timing, there aren't many noticeable differences, especially with 2.5. With that being said, there are plenty of differences, but you have to study both versions with a magnifying glass in order to tell the difference.

One difference is that Harmy tends to leave in the new optical wipes done by Pacific Titles for the 97SE. This isn't a criticism of his amazing work, of course, it's just a fact. Most people won't notice this difference and wouldn't care if someone were to point it out to them.

It's more a matter of principle. If we're OK with things being 99.8% the same, then why not 95%? Why not 75%?

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And then we're back at the SEs.

I watch Harmy's 2.5 and enjoy it; he did an incredible job. I suggest others do the same until Disney/LFL gets their act together.

ray_afraid said:

Well, your apology isn't accepted and I'll hate you forever and then five more years!

Yeah, you and Jedi Temple34. :-(

Some days, as much as 12 hours; others, as little as 0.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/post/669942/#TopicPost669942

Deleted scenes... shitstorm of the century.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

By the way, the HDTV I'm talking about is a russian one, 1080i mpeg2 29.97fps hard telecined, divided in three .mpg files. And it seems that this one has not tiny black borders on the left, apart on few scenes (like the one in the last image in my previous post) where there is a 4-pixel border on the left.

OK, it sounds like we have different HDTV caps.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

The HDTV cropping shifts wildly from scene to scene, so it's not possible to do a crop-it-all; it should be cropped scene by scene...

Which HDTV cap are you using? The one on Usenet is rock-solid; that is, there's no shifting cropping like you mention here. It's 100% 16:9 (Super35 open matte) besides ~8 pixels on the left and right.

Delete some PMs, Andrea!

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

@CatBus: even if I prefer subtitles out of the picture, I think many people don't; so, if you want to provide adjusted subtitles for the V2, you are welcome!

@AntcuFaalb: can you explain better your technique?

Sure. First, you download a 35mm grain plate like the one here: http://7dblue.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/flim-grain-for-everyone/

(Note: The following assumes that the 35mm grain plate clip and the target clip are the same resolution, e.g., 1080p.)

Then, convert it to a more friendly format, such as a Lagarith-compressed AVI.

Next, get it into Avisynth, like: grain = AVISource("C:\Grain35mm.avi")

Then, use Loop to make it the same length as the clip you're applying it to; e.g., grain = grain.Loop(1440) for 120-frame-long grain and a 2-hour-long 24fps clip.

Finally, apply it to your target clip; e.g., AVISource("C:\TheMatrix.avi").Overlay(grain, mode="softlight")

ray_afraid said:

It's just my opinion. My Star Wars world is much smaller than most folks. Jedi isn't a terrible film, I just don't like it nearly as much as the first one. Or even the second.

OK, cool. I'm sorry for jumping on you like that. I just see a lot of ROTJ hate around these parts.

FWIW, my (most favorite->least) order is given here: 6-4-5-...-1-3-2.

ray_afraid said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who


1. have read few to any of the comics?

2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?

3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?

4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?

The "silly" cartoons and Christopher Reeves movie are my favorite Superman products. The whole idea of Superman is goofy and silly and even more so when the material is handled with an overly serious tone. I grew up reading comic books and hanging out in the comic shop and still do with some regularity, so I'm no stranger to Superman (silver, bronze & golden). I'm in the "Superman is overpowered and silly" camp. Most of the time when he's in some kind of trouble or trying to get someone else out of trouble, it's impossible to not say something like "Why don't you just use your _____ power?!?!". When the tone isn't so serious, it's easier to dismiss such things and just have fun with it.

Agreed! I'm in that camp as well.

ray_afraid said:

^Only twothree good Star Wars movies start with the Fox logo and fanfare anyways. No big deal.

Fixed.

When did originaltrilogy.com transform into originalduology.com?

deepanddark20 said:

When it comes to theatrical versions, Harmy's Despecialized Editions are so much better looking than any other version that I can't believe there's any debate about it. We're not talking a small difference here; put the other versions side by side and the superiority of Harmy's picture quality sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm a fan of dark_jedi and I am eagerly keeping an eye out for his next release, but until then I don't think there's really a contest here.

It's not always about picture quality...

CatBus said:

The question is: does it more-or-less grain-match the existing project?  Considering the final v2 may mix-and-match sources, it'd be nice if they blended seamlessly.

Oh, I was talking about doing it to my copy only. I'm a big fan of the open matte and I'd prefer to keep it as close to the original HDTVrip as possible.

I can post some samples and, if people like it, do a 720p release or something...

ww12345 said:

Spaced_Ranger, I love it when you post - it's like a pro magazine article or something. You never fail to impress!

Agreed!

I'm considering using an accurate 35mm grain plate (5-or-so seconds long, on loop) in softlight-overlay to mask the macroblocking I see here and there.

The macroblocking, surprisingly, isn't bad on this version of The Matrix (the open matte 1080i HDTVrip), but it looks so much better with the 35mm grain plate. It hides the small bit of macroblocking really well.

DoomBot said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Thor263 said:

ilovewaterslides said:

There's a 10gb mpeg2 1080i

Yes, on the bay but nobody is seeding.

I wonder if this is the same thing that is on Usenet -- search for Matrix 1080i.  It's 10 gb as well as says it's the open matte version w/ original color timing and Russian audio only.

I have that now. It looks great!

Could you put some screen shots up?

I can, but I'd have to wait until tomorrow or Sunday.

EditDroidDude said:

polished up the interlace issues that you get when converting most laserdiscs

Does this mean that he IVTC'd?

I hope he didn't deinterlace it...

eiyosus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

eiyosus said:

I just hope it's not delayed three months in Japan like every geek movie seems to be doing lately.  The hobbit was the only movie we got at the same time last year, and now the second one isn't even coming out 'till the end of February.  Japan is constantly the last country in the world to get movies, usually two months after the second to last country.

Fingers crossed.

If you don't mind me asking... are you a citizen of Japan?

I'm a "permanent resident," which means I'm the closest to a citizen as I can get.  It's basically the Japanese green card.

Awesome! I'm sending you a PM.

Feallan said:

And I think that guy knows ecatly what he's doing. It's amazing footage, and  should be viewed by as many people as possible. I don't understand, why you guys are so paranoid.

What trouble could he possibly get into? What, they would like, arrest him? Sue him? Over what? He just uploaded content from one laserdisc to the internet. It's not that different from uploading one movie somewhere. In the worst case scenario, he could be fined. If they had his identity.

No one will take any legal action against him, because it would be dumb. Bad PR. He has publicity, and post like "sorry had to delete everything, Disney is after me" would generate shitstorm.

You make some good points. I'll just chime-in to say that we're so paranoid because some of us have actually received C&D letters from LFL in the past.

We need someone with an iPad on iOS 5.1.1 in order to move forward.

If someone can tell me how to backup my SW:KOTOR savefile, then I'll definitely downgrade my iPad to iOS 5.1.1.

SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

The same.

SHRINKING UNIVERSE! :-O

Not really, I knew him long before I found this site.

I figured. I was just referencing the whole "shrinking universe" thing (Leia as Luke's sister, etc.) that some members frequently complain about around here. :-)

Thor263 said:

ilovewaterslides said:

There's a 10gb mpeg2 1080i

Yes, on the bay but nobody is seeding.

I wonder if this is the same thing that is on Usenet -- search for Matrix 1080i.  It's 10 gb as well as says it's the open matte version w/ original color timing and Russian audio only.

I have that now. It looks great!

SilverWook said:

The same.

SHRINKING UNIVERSE! :-O