AntcuFaalb

coltonlolz said:

I believe this tear is also on Harmy's The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition, and on Star Wars Despecialized Edition v1.0, but that was fixed in v2.0.

Which tear?

Has it finished uploading? I can get it on MySpleen and a.b.sw.

Using the 35mm grain plate (obviously) boosts the contrast. I intend to pull it back down and use a combination of AverageLuma (in ScriptClip) and "analyze=true" (in RGBAdjust) to verify that my tweak to pull down the boosted contrast results in something that's as close as possible to the HDTVrip source as possible.

I'll post my script-in-progress tonight.

Any luck, dvdmike?

borisanddoris said:

That Total Recall clip is NSFW.  I've never hit cmd+w so quickly. ;)

lol

Haydn said:

stretch009 said:

Why do you insist on spelling 'sabre' the British way?  The American and Star Wars spelling is 'saber'.  Google will back me up on this.  I'm sorry it just bothers me since I've always been a spelling nut.

 

Quit your whining you little baby.  If that bother you you're a lost cause.  As always keep up the excellent work Harmy.

Who are you, Detective John Kimble (Arnold Schwarzenegger) from Kindergarten Cop? "Stop whining!"

Rule #1: No personal attacks.

Harmy said:

Not really - these have been done in 8bit, quickly through color correction tools only, no manual separation of elements:

Ah, OK, but the low dynamic range is sometimes a significant drag on color-correction. I'm glad to see it isn't in this case.

Harmy said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Harmy said:

Looking at the I.B. Reference, I think you took the green way too far there - on the I.B. print, the wall seems to be pretty much the same shade as the BD with a bit less saturation and just a very slight green shift in the highlights. The skintone, on the other hand, seems right on the money in your picture.

Ah, the limitations of color-correcting in 8bpp... :-(

What's that got to do with anything?

8bpp = low dynamic range, which might explain why the skintone is a good match, but the wall isn't.

I'd bet that he can't get the skintone and the wall to match the IB reference due to the low dynamic range; there just isn't enough "room" for the correction.

Harmy said:

Looking at the I.B. Reference, I think you took the green way too far there - on the I.B. print, the wall seems to be pretty much the same shade as the BD with a bit less saturation and just a very slight green shift in the highlights. The skintone, on the other hand, seems right on the money in your picture.

Ah, the limitations of color-correcting in 8bpp... :-(

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I vote for the grain plate!

But, what about a 1080p version? Too bad quality Vs 720p?

There just isn't enough detail to justify full 1080p. Too much was lost during the original MPEG2 encode.

Mavimao said:

Harmy could have called it lasersword for all I care. 

... or laserschwert!

Spaced Ranger said:

AntcuFaalb said:

5. I intend to mask the macroblocking by using a 120-frame Kodak 2383 35mm grain plate generated by poita. He says that this is likely to be the same film stock used for the release prints.

Have you tried any Avisynth filters for this? I read about one (or two) some time ago, but never had occasion to try it. A quick search brought up this (and there may be others of similar or superior effect):

Doom9 forum - Filter to remove macroblocks (from 2006)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=108511
Q: There's too much macroblocks in the source, those 16x16 blocks is
very visible and I would like to remove it ...
A: I'd recommend you to use DeBlock_QED_MT2() and if that doesn't remove all the blocking try this script: ...

Avisynth - Blockbuster
http://avisynth.org.ru/docs/english/externalfilters/blockbuster.htm
Blockbuster is an Avisynth filter designed to reduce or eliminate DCT blocks from an enocode. ... (Incidentally, DCT stands for "discrete cosine transform", and is one of the techniques MPEG uses to do its compression. They differ from macroblocks, which are most noticible in high-motion areas when the bitrate is insufficient to describe the motion accurately, and also from mosquito noise, which is an artifact that tends to appear around edges and areas of high contast.)

I have experimented with many such filters, including the deblocking algorithm that comes with DGDecode (MPEG2Source).

The issues I have with them are (1) they definitely blur-out some detail, even in the best case and (2) the source in this case starts to look really really ugly and waxy.

timdiggerm said:

of all the times when we had

no idea what bingo meant

this was the most

 

later

I'll raise your Bingowings post with one red5-626 post: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/584351/#TopicPost584351

Harmy said:

Sorry, yeah what?

I think he was replying to:

Harmy said:

Also, can I find any volunteers for helping me make foreign subtitles for my making of docs when they're done?

Regarding #5: Yes, the grain is too heavy there, but it was just an experiment, as I hadn't yet received the Kodak 2383 35mm grain plate.

HDTVrip thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Matrix-HDTVrip-Restoration/post/670725/#TopicPost670725

CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

I found the 3 missing frames. They were the last 3 frames before the shot where Neo enters the room to see The Oracle. I simply froze the last frame in that shot 3 times to keep it synchronized with the DVD.

Are you sure that doesn't create a visual artifact (I know if's not always visible depending on where it is)?  Would it possibly be better to insert spoRv frames instead, or otherwise color-matched BD frames?

I tried playing it at full-speed and I couldn't see anything. Furthermore, there's little-to-no visible motion in those 3 frames in the DVD (it has the "Spoon Boy" in it).

If you want to see the frames I'm talking about, bust out your copy of the DVD and look at the 3 frames just before Neo goes through the beads to see The Oracle.

1. I fixed the weird pulldown issues by manually IVTCing and using DGIndex to fix the field-order transition errors. I verified that it's fixed by running an IsCombedTIVTC analysis pass and examining the (minimal) output.

2. I found the 3 missing frames. They were the last 3 frames before the shot where Neo enters the room to see The Oracle. I simply froze the last frame in that shot 3 times to keep it synchronized with the DVD. I will verify that the two are truly in-sync with my DumpShotChanges Avisynth function soon.

3. I fixed the horizontal aliasing by doing an nnedi2_rpow2(2, qual=3) followed by a ResampleHQ for downscaling to the final resolution (see #4).

4. You_Too helped me determine the correct geometry by manually registering some frames on top of the DVD (at 853x480, of course). We determined that the correct DAR should be ~1.75:1. The final "active" resolution will therefore be 1262x720.

5. I intend to mask the macroblocking by using a 120-frame Kodak 2383 35mm grain plate generated by poita. He says that this is likely to be the same film stock used for the release prints.

6. I intend to replace the end credits with upscaled NTSC DVD footage. Yes, it's letterboxed, but what more can I do?

This discussion started in Andrea’s thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Matrix-spoRv-BD-25-RELEASED/topic/15832/

The goal here is to take the RuTracker (open matte, original color-timing) 1080i HDTVrip of The Matrix and make it watchable.

It suffers from the following issues:

Manual IVTC Required (Pulldown Glitches)
3 Frames Missing
Horizontal Aliasing
Geometry Error
Some Macroblocking
Recording Stops During Credits

Feallan said:

TV's Frink said:

Usterstood!  Is funny!

I do not have positive feelings towards you.

That's not very usterstanding of you.

Moth3r said:

Mobile internet.

So I was accessing the forum on my phone, and - I don't know whether my fingers are too fat or my phone's screen is too small - now I have a free trial subscription to Netflix and Bingowings in my friends list.

lol!

TV's Frink said:

AntcuFaalb said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/team-negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/post/669942/#TopicPost669942

Deleted scenes... shitstorm of the century.

Enough time has passed to now officially declare this the shitstorm of the nanosecond.

This is, unfortunately, true. :-(

You've ruined my hopes and dreams, Frink!

dvdmike said:

CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

dvdmike said:

AntcuFaalb said:

stretch009 said:

dvdmike said:

Orange flags......

What does this mean?  Please be kind.

I think he's referring to the red Nazi flags looking orange on the BD.

It was changed to gold to match Kingdom, it is not the 1980's timing at all

Is that including the impact that an 80s projection bulb would have on the colortiming?

At least the orange painted flags were preserved.  They are the about the same orangish red on the BD as on the 35mm prints.  Lacking a reference, can't say for certain about the cloth flags, but it would seem odd for someone to change those while leaving most everything else untouched (or at least leaving all of the frames we have 35mm references for untouched).  Not that stranger things haven't happened, with the sleeves of a certain cantina patron...

In one of the threads I found a 35mm still with the flags at the ark scene, they were red on set and when I saw it 35mm, also grass was green in the opening 

Was this 35mm still being projected with a gold-colored projection bulb (like in the theater) or was it just a raw scan?

Chewtobacca said:

AntcuFaalb said: The geometry issue has been resolved. The true resolution of this beast is 1783x1017. Here's a sample of it on top of the NTSC DVD with opacity down to 50%: http://i.imgur.com/aEBY8Vs.png

Are you using Photoshop to do this?  I always find this sort of thing really finicky and wonder if you have an easier method.

Yes, just Photoshop. ^_^

Monroville said:

Any updates?

I'm waiting to receive the HDD from poita. I'll mail it along to ww12345 once I do.