AntcuFaalb

Does anyone know of an "LDDB for DVDs"? If so, please post the hyperlink here!

You_Too: Wow, awesome! Thanks!

Would you be able to help out with some Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 35mm filmstrips?

I'm referring to the first 23 here: http://tx0.org/585

We can use your color-corrected cells as a reference when comparing LD, DVD, and BD releases. I can't think of a better reference than a color-corrected scan of an actual 35mm print.

Thanks again!

CatBus said:

Haven't heard anything from schorman13 since September.  I hope he's okay.  Anyone know?

No, but his profile indicates that he was last logged-in on 12 January of this year.

SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

You_Too said:

It's funny how LD was considered such a premium format and got so many releases of almost everything, yet when DVD went popular it got way more popular than LD ever was, but on DVD we aren't spoiled with all those nice releases. Same with blu-ray! :(

True.

It's a shame we still haven't seen a proper release of The Green Hornet (1966-1967) on any home video format.

The episodes edited into movies to cash in on Bruce Lee's fame did come out on Laserdisc overseas. There were also DVD releases of the the movie edits several years ago, but apparently the distributor ran into rights problems, and they were pulled from the market. I only snagged one of them.

The show aired on SyFy last year, and looked pretty good, so new video masters must have been made. No idea if they were edited.

I have AVIs of all 26 episodes, actually. They're OK quality-wise.

Does the HDTV rip of The Aristocats (here: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6130587&postcount=83) seem to have pumped saturation?

How is this movie supposed to look? Do we have any good references?

Edit: It's probably faded, but here's a start:

Let's focus on video accuracy for now. We'll move on to audio later.

The following links might help:

1 http://caps-a-holic.com/index.php?search=Disney

2 http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?s=be76926c0b52e8e023f4584be5fc18cf&p=6402859&postcount=2

The Aluminum Falcon said:

AntcuFaalb said:

(For now, let's say that "best" means "most accurate to the original theatrical presentation".)

By your standard of best, here is what I know.

2. Pinnochio

1987 CAV LD- Technicolor Color Timing

12. Cinderella

1995 Special Collector's Edition CAV- RKO Logo, Original Timing, No Restoration Errors, and Original Mix Available (as LD Audio track option).

14. Peter Pan

1999 DVD- Original Color Timing (blue/non-revisionist and not yellow shifted) in DVD Video Quality (not sure about audio).

I know the above isn't much, but hope it helps.

Thanks for this information! It's a start!

You_Too said:

It's funny how LD was considered such a premium format and got so many releases of almost everything, yet when DVD went popular it got way more popular than LD ever was, but on DVD we aren't spoiled with all those nice releases. Same with blu-ray! :(

True.

It's a shame we still haven't seen a proper release of The Green Hornet (1966-1967) on any home video format.

animebuff said:

bkev said:

How bad? The kind where it's not salvageable if you switch it back?

Yes.  Screengrabs from DVDizzy post.

Yuck! :-(

animebuff said:

AntcuFaalb said:

bkev said:

I don't know how much I can contribute because all I've really got are my VHS tapes. Most of them aren't even that old, they're from the Masterpiece Collection series in the '90s. I understand that series was remastered, but I have no idea to what extent.

That said, according to this wikipedia page "Saludos Amigos" "Make Mine Music" and "Melody Time" are censored on the DVD editions (unless a rerelease after the first time undid this; if so, it is not mentioned in the article.) It might be worth looking to see if that was previously available unaltered.

Thanks for replying, bkev.

I believe that this LD of Saludos Amigos is uncut. Furthermore, this LD of Make Mine Music is uncut. And... to top it all off, this LD of Melody Time is uncut, too.

The problem is, of course, that they're quite expensive purchases. O_O

Saludos Amigos is uncut as a supplement on the DVD release of the Walt & El Groupo documentary.

Make Mine Music and Melody Time are uncut on PAL DVD in Europe. Unfortunately, they seem to be poor NTSC conversions.

Wow, cool! How good is the Saludos Amigos transfer? Do you know if it's better than the LD?

SilverWook said:

Crygor64 said:

I'm not an OT purist and I think the idea is foolish, especially if you know the history of the production of the first three films.

I just want film history to be preserved for future generations. When people walked into to see Star Wars in 1977, they didn't watch the Special Edition. That's not the film that started it all.

I didn't care if George wanted to tweak his films. They're his movies. I just wanted him to care about preserving film history.

Would this forum even exist if George had followed Spielberg's lead and released both the original theatrical trilogy and special editions at the same time? (And I'm talking about good releases, not the GOUT.)

But alas all of this discussion is pointless and this very forum has proven that George was right when he wanted to destroy his own history. The most popular topic on this site is about a fan project that is nothing more than another "special edition." It's tampering with film history far exceeds the damage done by Lucas.

Seriously, a wise man once said, "you'll strain at a fly in you swallow a camel." So criticize the prequel films all you want, but most of you are just as bad as the guy who created those cinematic disasters.

 

 

 

With all due respect, a fanedit never pretends to be something it's not, the originals. How could they possibly be worse than what Lucas has done to them? Whether you like them or not, I fail to see how they harm film history in any way.

Lucasfilm has been playing a shell game with the post 1997 versions, banking on people forgetting the originals. What was done with THX 1138 is even worse in some respects. The changes were never hyped or credited, and masquerades as a "director's cut" any fan worth his salt knows Lucas got to do in 1978.

Nobody on this site took the original negatives physically apart.

Nobody on this site squelches most attempts at a proper theatrical screening of the good prints that survive.

Nobody on this site just flushed millions on 3D conversions that aren't coming out any time soon, (if at all), while telling the fans who still remember the originals they are too expensive to restore.

 

Well said, SilverWook.

Moth3r said:

AntcuFaalb said:

...

(For now, let's say that "best" means "most accurate to the original theatrical presentation".)

Which original theatrical presentation? Lady and the Tramp had two...

Good to know. Thanks!

bkev said:

I don't know how much I can contribute because all I've really got are my VHS tapes. Most of them aren't even that old, they're from the Masterpiece Collection series in the '90s. I understand that series was remastered, but I have no idea to what extent.

That said, according to this wikipedia page "Saludos Amigos" "Make Mine Music" and "Melody Time" are censored on the DVD editions (unless a rerelease after the first time undid this; if so, it is not mentioned in the article.) It might be worth looking to see if that was previously available unaltered.

Thanks for replying, bkev.

I believe that this LD of Saludos Amigos is uncut. Furthermore, this LD of Make Mine Music is uncut. And... to top it all off, this LD of Melody Time is uncut, too.

The problem is, of course, that they're quite expensive purchases. O_O

Ady: Did you sharpen any of those "after" shots? If so, then you're using an incredible sharpening algorithm; subtle and artifact-free, yet very effective!

If not, then I'm a loon. o.O

Please look at this thread instead: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Recommended-Editions-of-Disney-Animated-and-Partially-Animated-Features/post/644607/#TopicPost644607

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Original Post:

There's clearly some interest in the best sources for Disney's theatrical animated features, as evidenced here and here.

(For now, let's say that "best" means "most accurate to the original theatrical presentation".)

I'd like to start a list here to document my/our findings. For now, I'd like to focus on Walt Disney Animation Studios productions; specifically, the theatrical animated features produced prior to the arrival of Roy E. Disney in 1985.

Let's compare LDs, DVDs, and BDs. Other obscure formats (e.g., CED and VHD) will only be entertained if they demonstrably have the best source for a particular feature.

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
2. Pinocchio: 4/87 CAV LD [239 CS]
3. Fantasia
4. Dumbo
5. Bambi
6. Saludos Amigos
7. The Three Caballeros
8. Make Mine Music
9. Fun and Fancy Free
10. Melody Time
11. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
12. Cinderella: 4/95 Remastered CAV LD [4964 CS]
13. Alice in Wonderland
14. Peter Pan: 11/99 Limited Issue DVD
15. Lady and the Tramp
16. Sleeping Beauty
17. One Hundred and One Dalmatians
18. The Sword in the Stone
19. The Jungle Book
20. The Aristocats
21. Robin Hood
22. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
23. The Rescuers
24. The Fox and the Hound
25. The Black Cauldron

mikeaz123 said:

I was thinking of doing a fanedit of Death Wish 2, as the blu ray is still cut, while a foreign pal DVD is fully uncut.  I'm on a Mac, and was wondering what would be the best way to upscale and convert the Pal DVD to 1080p, so that I could splice in the footage from the upconverted dvd to the HD source?

First question: Is the PAL DVD anamorphic?

marcchrome said:

which means nothing in the real world....... go to sleep already fan boy.

Wow, dude. Really? Really?

TV's Frink said:

pat man 2 is my new hero.  And you guys will never figure out who it is.

 

SPECULATION BEGINS NOW

 

I'm still trying to figure this one out, Frink.

I had a few leads, but it feels like a wild goose chase sometimes.

:-/

Son Goku trumps all.

I win.

I had to share this one. :-p

chyron8472 said:

Are you going to do a 2.1 of ESB and ROTJ? I'm not saying it's needed, I'm just wondering what your plans are.

Well, he'd have to do a 2.0 of TESB and ROTJ before tackling a 2.1... ;-p

Those before/after shots looks amazing, You_Too! Excellent work!!!

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

marvins said:

 What do you exactly want ?

I can help for the french subtitles.

I'd like to have literal subtitles - what the actors says in the movie, the subtitltes report exactly the speech word by word...

The subtitles I have are not literal... if you would like to help, you have to listen to the whole movie and correct the subtitles - an hard work, I've done it for the italian subtitles! Or, find a transcription of the french dialogue...

Why not used a software translator on the English subtitle file and then fix the mistakes it makes by going through line-by-line?

robfett said:

Beautiful screencaps all! I love the filmic quality you brought back. ESB no longer looks digitally shot. 

 

Just curious about the change in this shot. The landscape outside the hanger doors is slightly changed. Is this for continuity purposes? If so, damn, you're good! :)

Wow! Ady's color-correction really brings out a lot of "hidden" detail. It looks fantastic!

Thanks for sharing.

I'm definitely looking forward to an improved 1.0, Andrea.