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- #1543990
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- HARRY POTTER: Revisited [Updates and Info]
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1543990/action/topic#1543990
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Oh,
and here’s the updated and working Train to Hogwarts sequence:
and here’s the updated and working Train to Hogwarts sequence:
The entry looks way better paced without all the actors choreography! Thou I do prefer a bit more music in their entry (or I am just used to the original scene).
The “Train to Hogwarts” link sadly does not work. Would love to see that as well!
Happy to hear, Antani! Cheers! I can see where you come from. Maybe something more bombastic would be more fitting, but I’ll need to give it a think.
Of course. This is all a work-in-progress.
Everything I will need feedback on I will release to the public for feedback.
Getting this beast to flow in 5.1 surround is a challenging thing, with all the different aspects being balanced perfectly. I will need to isolate a lot more dialogue to work alongside the new ambience and sfx.
Chloe of fanedit.org will also do a preview and feedback screening before full release.
Cheers. Not done yet. Feedback is always most welcome.
If you need my feedback on that one, could you try to remove the music when Igor hugs Dumbledore at the end? That may sound impossible somehwat, but from what I’ve seen in the community over the years, it’s doable. 🙂
Yes, I’ll isolate the dialogue.
You might need to tinker with the colour grading on the new establishing shots in the “Train to Hogwarts” clip, but fantastic work as always. 👍
And I am impressed with what you’ve done with the new “Welcome to Hogwarts” scene! 😃
I tried to go for a sunset vibe with the grading (to also imply some sort of time having passed), but perhaps a closer to night would be more appropriate and better.
Cheers. Not done yet. Feedback is always most welcome.
-> “Welcome To Hogwarts” not completely finished, but getting there. Sort out some audio and the pace.
Yes, my friend. I’m working on PoA and Goblet of Fire at the same time since I want the two films to compliment eachother both in tone and aesthetically.
Both movies are quite similar in style, yes. The difference is, PoA is leagues better. 😄
Agreed. But hopefully I hope to remedy some of that and get it way closer.
I like the sound of everything you’re planning for GOF!
Happy to hear that, Jimmy! Cheers!
antani said:
+1 from me!
Especially from what is read in “other updates and implemented cchanges”!!!
The new train to Hogwarts scene sounds AMAZING to bring that atmosphere!Looking forward into watching the newest releases!
Cheers, Antani. I hope to please. ❤️
Funny how you posted an update on the Revisited series a day before my birthday, Andreas! 😄
Well, then I will upload some clips for this special occasion! Give me a couple of minutes.
Yes, my friend. I’m working on PoA and Goblet of Fire at the same time since I want the two films to compliment eachother both in tone and aesthetically.
So, Chloe of Fanedit.org has shared some very good ideas and suggestions, and those in this list are what remain of them that I am implementing for Goblet of Fire - Ultimate Edition.
I am also mentioning new major updates and changes for the opening 15 minutes in a new list below that.
Her Synopsis:
Cut completely the dream sequence from the beginning, including the one after the Yule Ball (both will be used later). This way we don’t know what Harry dreamt about, and it leaves the audience with questions. The aim is to keep Voldemort’s plan from being revealed for now, and to keep the audience from seeing Crouch Jr. This means we don’t know who the person walking through the rubble at the championship is, and keeps the air of mystery.
Cut the shot of Cedric, his father and Mr. Weasley descending from the sky after using the Portkey.
Cut the shot of the students cheering at the landing of the Beauxbatons carriage that almost swept Hagrid away. That’s something students who like Hagrid would never do.
Cut the scene of the Durmstrang and Beauxbatons students entering the Great Hall. Their entrance/performance never made much sense to me, and the blurry staff thing is ridiculous. We don’t need to see Fleur before she is chosen by the Goblet of Fire. It’s more realistic to have the Goblet choose her as a random student.
(THIS SCENE IS NOT CUT, but HEAVILY altered).
Cut the scene of Karkarov secretly entering the Great Hall entirely. This red herring scene leads nowhere. Also, the film tries too hard to make him a suspect. Karkarov looks suspicious enough with his grimaces alone.
Cut all scenes and shots in which Moody’s eye is watching Harry, including scenes in which he is watching him from a distance (these shots will be used later). This will remove all suspicion from Moody and the audience will never think there is anything suspicious about him.
Change the sound of Moody’s eye. It sounds too electric/mechanical, and electricity isn’t supposed to work at Hogwarts (at least in the books).
Cut the shot of Hermione saying “Your wand, Harry” during the First Task. This makes Harry look more competent, and he wouldn’t be able to hear her anyway.
Cut the shot of Madame Maxime touching Hagrid’s beard. It’s not funny and it’s disgusting.
Cut out all the scenes in which Fleur swims through the seaweed and put them together and insert them before the scene in which Harry swims into the seaweed. It is more suspenseful and exciting in this linear order.
Cut Moody out of the scene where Crouch Sr. talks to Harry after the second task. The idea is to make the audience think that Crouch Sr. is behind everything, which works perfectly with the scene where Sirius speculates that either Crouch Sr. or Karkarov is responsible for Harry’s name being in the Goblet. This would require some heavy editing and appropriate music choices to make it work. Also, the scene in Dumbledore’s office follows immediately after this one, so it would appear that Harry is about to tell Dumbledore that he thinks Crouch Sr. is the villain.
Insert the scene in which Harry finds the body of Crouch Sr. just before the start of the Third Task. This makes it clear to the audience that Crouch Sr. is innocent, and as it is just before the Task, there is no time to wonder who the villain might be. Also, suspicion falls on Karkarov again, as in the previous scene Harry intercepts him and Snape discussing the Dark Mark, and two scenes before the audience learns that Karkarov has been judged by Crouch Sr. (Basically, the order of the scenes is Lake Talk Harry w/Crouch Sr. -> Dumbledore’s Office and Trial -> Snape’s Storage -> Crouch Sr.'s Dead Body -> The Third Task).
When Harry finds out that Snape was a Death Eater, make sure we see Harry’s shocked face at that exact moment, and use something like the sound of drums or some appropriate music. This revelation should be crucial, especially given the HBP, but it’s just mentioned here as if it were nothing.
Crosscut the scene where Harry and Dumbledore are talking about the trial and Harry reveals that he’s been dreaming about Crouch Jr. with Harry’s dream (mostly interior shots) from the beginning. This is where the audience finds out what Harry has been dreaming about and who the man from the championship is. At this point, things start to fall into place, but it is still unclear how Crouch Jr. fits into the plot.
In Harry’s dream, mute the phrase “gather our old comrades…”; this will make the Death Eaters more independent, as in the books, and is consistent with seeing Voldemort in the graveyard for the first time in 13 years. Crouch Jr. also hated the Death Eaters, otherwise he would never have turned Draco, his ‘friend’s’ son, into a ferret
Add an establishing shot after the Snape’s Storage scene, so that it does not feel like the Second and Third Tasks are only a week apart.
Shorten or cut the shot of Moody coming out of the maze and Bewitching Krum (to be used later).
When Harry talks about being in the graveyard before, cut to some outside shots of his dream from the beginning.
Make Voldemort’s eyes red, as in the books, and/or change his voice to make him sound and look even more terrifying. This would make Harry’s PTSD in the OotP more justifiable. Also, in the later films, Voldemort does not seem as scary as he should. (I understand that this is very challenging, and if it couldn’t be done, that’s fine).
Voldemort calls Harry’s mother a “filthy muggle mother” in the graveyard. But she’s not a Muggle. This is a mistake in the film. He should have said ‘Mudblood’ or ‘Muggleborn’ (I don’t know if it can be fixed), (Maybe muting the word ‘Muggle’ would do the trick).
Voldemort tortures Harry with the Crucio Curse in the graveyard. He then lifts the curse by saying Crucio a second time. This makes no sense. Magic doesn’t work that way in the films or the books. I suggest muting the second Crucio.
Intercut shots of Moody stalking Harry throughout the film (including his eye zooming) in the final reveal of who’s really pulling the strings. Also use a shot of Nevil reading the book and the shot (previously cut) of Moody bewitching Krum as he comes out of the maze.
In the scene where Dumbledore says “Your arm, Harry”, mute Harry’s crying. It looks like Dumbledore is hurting Harry, and he would never do that.
Cut the shot of Dumbledore talking about burning the curtains in his fourth year. It’s out of character (at least for his film version) and doesn’t fit the scene at all.
Cut Ron’s farewell to Fleur and Hermione’s to Krum. The end of the film is too long as it is, and Krum says he will write to Hermione, which he never does. It also works better when there isn’t much of a gap between the previous scene, in which Dumbledore tells Harry “You’re not alone”, and the departure, in which the students stand together and say goodbye.
Make all the dream sequences black and white (just an idea, not sure it would work well).
(NOT Black&White, but more horrific).
The film opens with new, custom establishing shots of The Burrows (The Weasley’s Home) that set the mood and give time to breath before the introduction of Harry and his friends. Harry is introduced wakening up from a nightmare, but we don’t know what it was about.
Removed a lot of GoF musical scores, replaced SFX and ambience with custom-made, and let the film have a darker, more silent tone in the dark opening minutes. Added Whimsical and Wonderous John Williams when fitting.
The film has insane pace in the opening 15 minutes, and I’ve done a lot of work to create new establishing shots and new close-ups to give the film’s opening time to breathe.
The film has a new Going-To-Hogwarts-By-Train Sequence.
The Great Hall has a completely new structure, with no Filch gimmick and a completely different look and feel. It’s hard to explain, so I’ll release some snippets soon.
… and more.
Since I’m drunk as a barrel celebrating a birthday and answering on my iPhone I do apologizing for anything stupid. You have been warned.
The only caution I would add is none other than please pretend this to be the original content released and review it thereafter. Since you - as I flatter myself to have too - have a keen eye for storytelling and editing, I would be most curious to see how you feel upon watching several of these entries and how the story of game of thrones unfold (in this film format).
Please feel free to enjoy it as is and leave any feedback as you please. Nothing excites me more than people going blindly into my edits (as I know they do for you).
Hopefully you’ll enjoy GoT with the limited time you have for tv shows and media. I know the feeling. Enjoy.
PM sent.
I would like to ask if you’ve thought about using John Williams’ expanded scores from La-La Land Records, but I doubt you can even afford them. 😝
Haha, I am using the main OST, but I would love access to John Williams’ full, unreleased HP Score. Imagine all the great pieces that were never in the films. Oh man.
Which will be the original ending?
The one that makes you feel the best. 😉 The last two parts are going to be in two seperate folders, and you download the one you prefer.
It is. The goal was to craft a strong, thematic narrative with three acts and a strong main character in Galadriel (without all the forced female empowerment stuff).
I’ve gotta say, isn’t Vranir just the guy? What an excellent set of feedback.
Anjohan, I’ll take a copy please, and I’d also be interested to see a bit of a description for how you’ve split the content across your edit and which major plotlines you’ve cut most heavily.
The content of the beginning Acts is;
-> The Elven storyline is the intro and the main-main characters. This is Galadriel and Elrond. They occupy, with the intro/prolugue, the first 11 minutes of the film. This is to establish all things important and give the main players the time deserved and needed to both care for their story as well as develop their relationship.
-> We then are introduced to the Southlands Plotline at the 11 minute mark, and are given six minutes with Arondir to establish his character and get an understanding of who he is and what his goals are. We are also introduced to Bronwyn. As the Elves are told they are abandoning the Southlands due to the declerance of peace, by orders of the King, we go back to Galadriel and Elrond.
-> Elrond and Galadriel have their emotional farewell during the night time celebration, and we are introduced to Celebrimbor at the end of the sequence.
-> We are now back in the Southlands, and get to develop Arondir and Bronwyn further. Their scene ends as they go to investigate the strange things happen further East.
-> Galadriel is seen traveling across the ocean, her farewell to Middle-Earth split in two with a scene with Elrond and Celebrimbor in-between to keep continuing his story arc as well so we know what he’s up to (being established as a main character and all, I need him to be kept present and interesting throughout Galadriel’s departure)
-> Then, we move onto a sequence of heavily edited scenes as Galadriel escapes the boat in the last minute, Harfoots Nori and Poppy are introduced along with The Stranger arriving, and Galadriel seeing the ports to “Heaven” close before her.
-> And now, all important main characters are introduced and the story established. So now I start to juggle the main plotlines with eachother, with a main focus on each plotline building upon the other, with a coherent team as we build to suspense and action and then the reveal of the Orcs. The rest I want for you and others to discover, as I prefer my edits to be viewed without any expectation of what’s to come besides (hopefully) a good Andreas edit.
PMs sent.
About time! I reckon you’ll get all eight films done by the end of the year or into the next! 😀
Is there something wrong with the audio in the PoV preview clips, though? 🤨
Haha, for my own sanity I hope not! xD But it’s me, so maybe they will be.
And kind of. The files were rendered in 5.1 and streamable has made a really low-audio stereo file out of it. So turn your volume high!
Great news! Congrats 👏🏻 Will we have to wait as long for parts 9 & 10? 😬🤞🏻
Part 9 not so much, as it’s only audio transitions left to do and some minor re-scoring. As for Part 10 - well, that one is quite a beast. I have the “worst parts” done, like a major Bran event, but the ending parts of the “Good Ending” Version needs more work.
I might release The Dark Ending before The Good Ending tho’ (and i’ll give them better names xD )
Hey, could I get a link please? I am very interested in a digestible version of the Rings of Power.
PMs sent.
I updated the file due to a minor mistake near the end (a little unintended shriek sound) and two transitions I wanted to finetune even further. It’s nothing major, but if you haven’t watched the film yet I recommend re-downloading for an even better experience.
I’ll release two versions. One without subtitles is coming as soon as I know this full release is problem-free.
So, as for Prisoner of Azkaban - The Ultimate Edition, it is getting very close and it’s time to give out an update.
Prisoner of Azkaban has no narrative changes or lots of fancy new establishing shots or VFX, but what it does have is a sole focus on keeping some of John William’s Original Score for the first two entires alive in PoA. This is to keep a strong continuity with the previous two films and to carry over the emotion of previous events. I also want to keep Prisoner of Azkaban feeling less like a “one-off” movie with a soul more seperate to the other entries in the series.
The Major Focus on Prisoner of Azkaban is to remove some of it’s more individualistic traits (like constant fade-ins and outs) as well as a soundtrack that’s seperate from the rest of the series (which is true for the films here-on and out, but not for this fan edit series). But I also have to keep the film’s Original Score in place and keep it profound to the film, as it is a part of its identity.
Another important focal point is that PoA use music more subtly as well as more sparingly, and let scenes breath with dialogue and ambience rather than out-blown soundtracks. And this I really like. Therefore I can’t just simply copy&paste soundtrack into the scenes. They have to be edited, slowed down, pitched down to resemble a darker tone and have the right beats to them. So what I’ve been doing (besides SFX work) for the last weeks (before i went abroad) is to literally create my own narrative of Williams music for some of the scenes, putting together hours of content to befit the scenes they’re in as well as the tone. Only at the rarest of occations would a short musical montage straightly pasted into the scene actually work and only for what would be a second or two of a beat.
Video Examples will follow down below.
Prisoner of Azkaban’s Original Score is kept intact (beautiful and alive as it is), but the William’s OST from the two previous entries also gets a place in the story to keep with the continuity of the previous entries and to keep building on the emotional weight of moments of prior.
Color Grade slightly more colorful and vibrant, to accompany the continuity with the two previous entries. However, as the story gets darker (mainly the end of Act II) the color grade reverts back to it’s original grading (with less color and vibrancy).
Tremendous amount of SFX work, with new ambience and foley for key scenes - many of which are exampled below.
Fade Ins and Outs (including those that make it clear that we end/begin Act I, Act II and Act III of the film) are all but removed because this is the only film to do so. In keeping with continuity, these have to go to make PoA feel less like a “different” entry of the saga. The only ones kept are the opening one and the Dementor one.
New Establishing Shots for what feel like “missing footage” to work with. Here I mostly reference the opening, in which Aunt Petunia says “Harry, Harry… open the door” over the span of 8 seconds to a black screen. Now, we instead have two freshly-made Exterior Shots of Private Drive whilst it’s raining to accompany the dialogue.
Removed some shots of bad acting, such as Harry’s first look at Hermione whilst crying about the reveal of Sirius.
Paced the Final Act better, as the time travel plotline loses momentum on repeat viewings (for me). The Third Act is kind of where I “lose interest”.
… and more, but mostly nitpicks here and there.
Aunt Marge - Emotional Resonance: https://streamable.com/hf5woq
Harry in Winter - Sorrowful: https://streamable.com/y5awe1
Voldemort Mention & Train to Hogwarts: https://streamable.com/zge0lq
PoA - Dementor Talk & Welcome to Hogwarts: https://streamable.com/jl6dq6
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Due to the brilliance of Vranir and his amazing feedback and ideas, I deem the Harfoot plotline resolved and satisfactory for what will now be a full release. His idea was to have the Harfoots stay in one place, rather than travel the world, and this actually solved a lot of narrative problems in juggeling their (less interesting and important) plotline opposite the far more urgent and climactic ones.
I did indeed have to do narrative changes beyond this to create some tension and build some heart to their story, but I feel I’ve done a good job at this. And with that said, all the plotlines should now build upon one another and come to a satisfactory conclusion at the end.
Along with some few new updates and better-of-life improvements, many of which Vranir suggested up above, I am now rendering and releasing what I feel is a very strong film cut of the series.
The runtime is a little longer than I’d like, but still shorter than the previous workprint version and two of the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition versions. So it fits into the LOTR film slot quite well that way. When season 2 hits the streaming platforms and we get a clearer vision of what we have to work with for a sequel, it will also be easier to know if certain things can be omitted from Film 1 to keep it to a shorter runtime.
Thank you to all for brilliant feedback the last year (and especially vranir) and I hope the full release will make many a disappointed fan slightly less agitated towards the new iteration of Tolkien’s world.
Thanks, brother. I hope you have a blast. ❤️
I am happy that the very calm, collected and adult people on this forum, that write long essays and use nice words (to nut hurt the creators of a media product), could educate the bad apples of this forum. We really needed to be told that short, strongly-worded feelings and opinions from the top of your head are not welcome on a forum about a fictionate universe and its fanedits and that we are all part of a YouTube mob I didn’t even know existed.
As for The Mandalorian season 3, I agree that it is amazing laughing material and someone should make a fanedit with the sole purpose of turning it into an even greater spoof or parody.
Also, I hope Ahsoka is very good because nothing would please me and many others more. And perhaps I then write something really thoughtful and nice and mean it and we can all swim in positivity!!!
Also, the pictures up above are a nice find and clearly show that the creators had very different things in mind - probably most if not all without Grogu’s interference. Perhaps the droid was meant to be the new sidekick?
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