Also, having a high year gap makes it more plausible to write Leia off in a satisfactory way in the opening crawl. Something like “having fought many battles in her life and now helped Rey completing her Jedi academy, Leia has joined her brother in the force. Blabkabla” like that.
I don’t know if we’ll get a time jump but I’m really hoping for one. I’m not wild about the fact that we’re two deep in the ST and we’ve only moved through about a week of story time. I get that Ahch-To has some kind of weird Force time dilation going on like Dagobah and Mortis from TCW, but the entire Resistance plot seems to take place the day after TFA.
I concur. I think having spent a month (tops) since TFA, a high year gap will be welcomed for the final chapter. I think it would serve the story greatly as well. The last thing I want for EP 9 is for Luke to do Yoda-like training for Rey like a week after TLJ. And watching Kylo try to be the big Bad.
I want this to be in the past for them when we come EP 9 - I want to see them having outgrown some of their fears, as well as buried others. Strong versions of themselves, before the movie itself tear them down for the final encounter.
Oh come on! You all know he’s going to be a ghost guiding Rey in the next movie now. A long term contract Mark had to sign…
And with Creepy Puppet Yoda still haunting our memories, I can’t imagine anybody having issues with new Awesome Puppet Yoda™.
Force Ghost versions of characters are always much less intriguing to me than alive ones. However, it will always be a refreshing and wonderful moment to see Luke on the big screen.
By the way - for speculation. When do you guys expect EP 9 to take place? I have a strong feeling they’ll give it five to seven years. Rey will be a Jedi. That kid from the ending of TLJ is probably a teenager in training along with others. And Kylo Ren is probably the most feared person in the galaxy, having proven himself a greater threat than before and mimicking his Vader persona to perfection.
I’m not sure how willing I am to call Luke’s “death” a “death”. It felt to me more like he leveled up.
Anyway, I mentioned this in the other thread, but I love, love, looooooooove that it turned out Yoda was so cavalier about blowing up the tree because he knew Rey had already stolen the texts. “There was nothing in that library that the girl Rey did not already possess” indeed.
Rey stated that Luke is dead, and Leia said yes before she nodded. He is dead.
However, what sort of FORCE Ghost he WILL become in EP 9 might be this FORCE projection we just witnessed. In that case, he will walk a fine line between alive/dead Luke. Maybe enough so to give us one last kick-ass lightsaber and/or FORCE moment.
I haven’t seen this film yet, but from everything I’ve heard it would seem to be an incredible let down (an understatement?) that tries as hard as it can NOT to be a Star Wars film by trying to be anything but. I get the impression that more than anything this needs a fanedit, a complaint that TFA didn’t elicit from me. So I guess main trilogy wise we’re 0/2 right now.
First of, watch the movie. I’ve watched the movie twice. Many things mentioned - and I mean many, are not plotholes, and are either overlooked or missed by first-time viewers. I myself am guilty for not understanding half of the things going on until my second viewing. Some people will probably also expect the movie to be an action feast full of Luke kicking ass and Snoke being the Emperor V2. It is a way deeper movie than that. And some people, of course, will just plainly not like it at all. Even after that very important second viewing.
Second off, I didn’t like TFA either by exact reasons you mentioned. It was a best-of, did not break any new ground - and lacked pacing and originality. Even lacked in the character department for me.
I think it is important to emphasize that in the same way people praised TFA when it came out for later to realize it for its faults, the same way people might bash The Last Jedi until they realize it for its greatness. There things take patience and understanding before we really know if we liked them or not, because we have fantasized about every new entry for two years. Our mind is set to expectations we make for ourselfs - and sometimes if we feel the movie did something more underwhelming than what we ourselfs imagined, we get disappointed and irritated. This clouds our judgement until we understand what the director did and/or tried to do, rather than what we hoped he would do. Then we replace expectations with facts, and know if we like it or not - respect it or not - or just simply love or hate it.
I liked TLJ a lot. A lot better than TFA. Even better than the Originals - and then I leave nostalgia out of the picture. I’m talking pure entertainment value and pacing. And apart from a purpose-lacking side story with Finn and Rose, it really stood out as the most refreshing and entertaining addition to the Star Wars saga since the original Star Wars itself.
However, as far as fanediting goes - a restructure might improve the movie greatly. Which we will not know before we try.
Having Finn wake up later in the movie, and focus on Poe and Leia, and Rey and Luke, and Kylo and Snoke for the first hour. Then have Finn wake up after Luke agrees to give her three lessons and teaches her the first, and then focus ten minutes on that storyline to streamline it until they get to Canto Bight, before tuning back in to Rey. This way we can get rid of some of the bizarre inter-cutting between scenes at this segment, and make time pass between Rey’s lessons (makes it more likely for there to be more training for her between scenes).
I think over half of the reason why people - including myself, find Finn & Rose storyline lacking was because this happened in-between our anticipiation of Rey and Luke’s development and story together, and Leia and Poe and the Resistance’s survival. Having Finn in a coma on one of the ships until we get enough satisfactory time with Luke and Rey and Leia and Poe, will make it much more intruiging - I think - to get Finn back in the picture.
Also, there could be needed some new music or new placement of music for better emotional impact. What disappointed me the most about this movie was actually the score. There was no piece that stood out. Nothing I hum too that wasn’t already established. Luke should’ve had the most epic chorus theme when he shows up at the end. This will literally be half of the only reason why I will do an edit (probably maybe just for my own viewing pleasure).
I really think you need to differentiate between movies that simply have characters and character-driven movies. If you call any movie that has characters interacting “character-driven”, then what’s the point of using that word anyways? For me, a character-driven movie is a movie that is primarily about the characters, more than other movies. The word becomes completely meaningless, if it can be applied to 99% of all movies.
It is a broad term, not a factual remark. Maybe you should emphasize what you meant by character-driven before you say a movie can be good without it. For instance, it would be better to say that Rogue One is a story-driven movie more focused on war and the visual representation of said event, rather than “a movie that doesn’t need compelling characters to work”. When you said that, I took it so that you meant movies don’t need characters to care for, for it to work. In which I completely disagree.
That being said tho’ - one can absolutely enjoy the penthouse view and be okay with it.
I’m not here to argue about the characters of R1. Movies can be good, without being character-driven.
I think the term you’re looking for here is children’s movies. ;p Or Art Films. If a story doesn’t develop characters to care for and connect with, the story simply doesn’t matter. If I get invited to a party with someone I like, I will most likely enjoy myself and have great connection(a). If I get invited by someone I don’t like (characters I fail to connect with) I might enjoy the view from the penthouse and the local booze, but I hardly would’ve gone for any other reason than to force myself to try to like them. Rogue One is that person you don’t like, but with a nice penthouse maybe worth the view a couple of times.
I completely agree with most of moviefreaked’s points above here. He makes an excellent point, and I think you made some ones too - but saying a story can work without being character driven is to ask the audience not to give a fuck. I can’t do that.
They’re after us, Anjohan! We gotta work together.
Quick! Break me outta this place! I’m in some big building with the words “St. Mendez” on the stationary! Time is tight!
Our keyboards can’t defend themselves!!
I know of that one! I’m on my way! I’ll just have to finish this TAL movie - which is the best Star Wars fanedit i’ve seen in the whole world. I wonder who made it.
Oh well, Be right there!
My brain hurts! END THE SUFFERING!
HAHAHA! Although I love the funny remarks, I of course meant TLJ - i am so used to writing TAL (due to a fanedit) that i mixed them up.
I DO NOT favour my own edit above the original. Altough I kinda wish I did, looking at the legendary irony in that. Oh man.
WHAT AN ENTRY!!!
Working on a cinema here in Norway, I had the privilege to watch TAL. Get your saber ready for tomorrow!!!
The emotions, the feelings - the battles! I HATED TFA. I really did. I hate it still. I liked Rogue One because if it 30 minute ending and K2 droid.
This movie, however… wow! I love it! No spoiler, but this is literally what EPISODE II and III should have been (pacing and battles and banter!). WHAT A MOVIE!
Thanks for your impressions! This is what I keep hearing from all over the internet, so I’m getting more excited for tomorrow!
Note that he seems to be talking about TAL- His own edited PT, not TLJ.
What it’s doing in this thread, I have no idea.
O_o … meanwhile in St. Mendez Hospital for the Criminally insane.
Hahah, it’s a typo. I wasn’t even aware of it due to its common usage. I of course meant The Last Jedi.
AMAZING how some people think it’s a promotion technique, hahaha.
THE LAST JEDI was amazing. A treat to look forward to!
WHAT AN ENTRY!!!
Working on a cinema here in Norway, I had the privilege to watch TAL. Get your saber ready for tomorrow!!!
The emotions, the feelings - the battles! I HATED TFA. I really did. I hate it still. I liked Rogue One because if it 30 minute ending and K2 droid.
This movie, however… wow! I love it! No spoiler, but this is literally what EPISODE II and III should have been (pacing and battles and banter!). WHAT A MOVIE!
Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.
Yeah, no worries. I think I just started the post with the wrong idea before moving to the point.
Either way… I don’t understand Why people here are trying so hard to create story problems or faults where there are none. Luke using a few Jedi powers vaguely, and more importantly not creating any chaos inside Jabba’s Palace but rather a little tension, is perfectly understandble and fits his plan perfectly. He seems overconfident - and probably is, but it suits his needs. It keeps his friends safe, and it gives him an opportunity of surprise later on. The Rancor he didn’t expect, but he keeps his cool - killing it with logic and patience rather than anything that would pose him too great a threat to keep alive or nearby.
Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.The things is, Luke probably could’ve done these things
I disagree completely. He’s not Yoda or the Emperor.
It doesn’t matter if you do. The point isn’t if he could. He might as well have attempted and failed.
The point is for his plan to work, he could’nt start a war inside Jabba’s Palace.
Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.
The things is, Luke probably could’ve done these things - but showing too much power would diminish Jabba’s hold and confidence over his prisoners and employees - causing fear and chaos, forcing Jabba to defend for himself - killing Luke and his friends with everything in his might. I thought this was obvious.
Example would be if a guy is saving his friends with a backup-plan in mind, and only bring a pistol with him to a meeting, the people would take away the pistol with simple violence if necessary. If he brought five grenades and a bazooka, all the people would be at danger, panic would arose he would be shot at first sight at saving his friends with these weapons.
It makes sense for him to be humble, and pretend to be overconfident for his plan later to work.
If Luke started crashing down floors and choking a damn Balrog of Morgoth people would fucking run for their life’s, and Jabba shit himself trying to burn him down before it was too late.
You guys overthink (or under think) way too much. It can’t be good for your viewing pleasures.
Remove as much ewoks as possible - maintain or add as much (new) rebels as possible, and remove and replace cringe on Endor with a longer spacebattle and/or new scenes with rebels, to compensate for lost time.
It’s not really the purpose of the edit to add or remove character moments unrelated to the Starkiller Restructure, but I always read this exchange as Finn almost ready to admit that he wasn’t a part of the Resistance, at least until they were distracted and he changed his mind.
Yeah I thought that was pretty clear. I don’t know why people keep requesting completely random, subjective removals when it’s been clearly stated a number of times that that is not what this edit is about.
Because with any fanedit, one would think the overall idea - whatever its main purpose is - is to improve upon what was before? Therefore, I think such suggestions of short scale - but with important impact on character in a positive light - should be allowed to be mentioned.
However, this is not my thread and I fully respect if there is no intention on improving character or story moments, except for this one with the Starkiller Base. It is an intruiging concept already, in good hands.
Digmon did a good job shortening it, since there is some important information and scenes from it … you gotta have a good chunk of it.
I don’t care much for TFA - so maybe I’ve missed something, but clarify to me what you would need to have.
Because when they arrive at Takodana, the first thing to happen is that two aliens report to The First Order that Han Solo, Rey and Finn are there. This is the only thing that I feel you could imply would be missing as information from the Rathar sequence.
Rey and Finn left with the Millenium Falcon from Jakku - and now Han Solo is there with them. Ergo, Han Solo has the Millenium Falcon again and the First Order now know where they are. It requires 10% more IQ from the audience, which - from my point of view - is a welcome addition to this mess of a movie. Only thing would be to add the Snoke speaking of Han Solo sequence to after they land on Takodana and enter the cantina, rather than before.
Removing the Rathtar sequence does this;
TIP: Remove Rathar sequence entirely. Proof of point, this took me five minutes to edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=736lH16Szns&feature=youtu.be
It does nothing to the story, it destroys pace, it gives us deus ex machina’s, it gets Chewie shot within his first five minutes back into the movie, we are introduced to two silly gangs that serve nothing to the story or the characters and the CGI for the rathars is not particularly good or interesting.
Jump St version 2:
https://vimeo.com/245234854
Password: jump
A very good one. Definitely useable.
But for the love of mercy; remove Finn’s horrible reaction when Rey says “he’s with the resistance”. We, as the audience, has gotten the fact that he’s not, clarified three times already. It is a silly reminder, and it kinda dumbs down his character as well as the laughable guilty face.
Ait, cheers for the feedback on the alarm guys. You see, the idea was to make the scenery stand out opposite some of the original elements - in which I think it succeeds to do. Problem is, you guys found it a little jarring. I’ll make it one slower flash instead of two with a SFX to match it, to make it a smoother, better-for-the-eyes experience.
Cheers for positive feedback!
And please shout out all ideas you can conjure - plausible ones or not does not matter. I have tools at my disposal and am always willing to try new things.