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ray_afraid said:

Anjohan said:

It still baffles me how people fault the movie for unpredictability and originality when that is the only way to interestingly move forward.

I’ve not see a single review that says “TLJ is unpredictable and original and that’s why it’s bad.” or anything that equates to that.

I’m not responding to any review? Where did I say that? I’m adressing the common argument and opinion shared by the people in here that did not like the movie.

It still baffles me how people fault the movie for unpredictability and originality when that is the only way to interestingly move forward.

The fans got predictability and stability in The Force Awakens simply to gradually grow the franchise back into its roots, and Then The Last Jedi to grow it forward. Then yet some people can’t grasp the concept of storytelling, character evolution and originality - so they fault the director for it, rather than their own nostalgic expectations.

I don’t like TFA - but I respect it, I understand it, and I understand the decisions made by director and company both to make it the safe and predictable way they did. This is probably why I also loved The Last Jedi - because I don’t like to live in the past and clinge to it, I like to move forward and evolve. And that is what THE LAST JEDI did and was all about.

Thank you.

The first 11 minutes of The Ancient Lore:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JvS5JmD0VOK-Pp37keM7R6g8WxJUtVCU/view?usp=sharing

• Dooku Conversation not done.
• Pan down not complete (made a quick one only for this preview).

Trying to de-canonize canon by creating new character names and pretending it to belong in another universe is the equivalent of Schizophrenia. Perhaps we soon will have TLJ haters in a psychiatric ward screaming “IT AIN’T LUKE! IT AIN’T THE REAL LUKE!”.

I fear for the fandom.

If you weren’t on your seat during the throne room scene with Snoke - and after his death, or the Luke Skywalker ending, then you are bound to be disappointed for everything coming your way in IX, Han Solo, Obi-Wan etc.

I’ll never understand the people that are on their seat in a Marvel movie with hardly any casualties, but in a Star Wars movie where people die like flies and suspense is continuously building, they exclaim “I was never on the edge of my seat”. Were you intoxicated during your screening? Did you have a one-night stand right after that made you forget? Were you attacked? Like how were you not on your edge?

I didn’t like TFA, nor Rey, Finn or Poe in particular, but TLJ made me fear for them and some of their choices and what would come of them. And I was always on the edge of my seat.

Liamnotneeson: I appreciate the honesty in your opinion, but as stated over at fanedit.org and in the YouTube video example, that dialogue is not finished. Dialogue needed was not created at that time. It was a scene showcasing tone and feel of the movie.

Also, for future criticisms - although in good spirit, I’d appreciate if you tried to maintain polite. Screaming things like worst dialogue ever and far worse than anything else at an unifinished product just comes across as inpolite and cocky. I know it’s probably not meant that way.

liamnotneeson said:

Anjohan said:

I have received a lot of positive feedback on the color grading, and the removal of the purple (horrible) grade on the movie, as well as the “kids movie-feel” in the very, very bright and shiny colors. I hope you’ll like the grade better upon your viewing.

I see what you mean. I didn’t notice any purple grade on the movie, though- I’ll probably take that into consideration now once I work on my edit. Also, it sounded like you implied that there’s a full release out. Is there? I’d really like to see this thing in its entirity

It is not finished. I hope he’ll enjoy it once it is.

LSymes said:

Thank you very much! Have a good new year!

Thank you and I will! You too, my friend.

JeromeTheEditor said:

Wow, This looks like one of the best Star wars fan edits out there! Great Job! Just one question, will this be up on vimeo or any other places or just fanedit.org?

Cheers, brother. Means a lot!
It will be uploaded to a Google Drive, and a server.

liamnotneeson said:

Okay I have a lot to say about this

1. Opening: really good until it gets to the weird montage about genocide(?) I really like how you edited it so that they barely make it past the blockade right at the start of the movie. Not sure how you’re going to handle getting off the planet since you’ve already used all the shots, though.

2. I’m going to go under the assumption you’re not trying to make the film more like the OT, and make it something else. That recoloring, though- off-putting imo, but that’s just me

3. I really like the music cue when Qui-Gon died

4. I really like that Amidala called the Federation right after her communications cut out. Might steal that in my edit, but I’m using Anti-Cheese for the Nemodians so maybe not
   Thank you, broher. Leaving the planet actually works pretty well with remaining footage and one self-created.

I have received a lot of positive feedback on the color grading, and the removal of the purple (horrible) grade on the movie, as well as the “kids movie-feel” in the very, very bright and shiny colors. I hope you’ll like the grade better upon your viewing.

Thank you for your kind and constructive feedback, good sir! Good day to you!

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The Last Jedi has become bad because people can’t comprehend new directions for a 40-year old franchise. Get over it.

Episode IX WILL probably be predictable as fuck and all SW fans will rejoice.

ray_afraid said:

thathipsterkid said:

Statement from the creator: “I don’t want to give too much away but our hope is that it can just be dropped right into the movie seamlessly!” … very promising indeed…

It’s cool, but they have a loooong way to go if they intend that to be dropped into the actual movie.
They don’t seem concerned at all with matching the style of camera movement, backgrounds or lighting with the film.

Maybe not. Most times in a Star Wars movie, these things take a turn in duels. Cool looking sets, new lighting, blasting SFX and whatever. So it might fit awkwardly well, like the entire movie is building up towards the moment.

Thanks, man! Hope it’ll please your Star Wars Soul.

Cheers, brothers! I hope the movie will bring you equally as much joy as it has been for me making it.

I recently held a preview screening for my brother - third one this year (poor bastard), and besides some obvious got-to-do’s, we only found a few nitpicks. The edit has come a long way since the very first.

ChainsawAsh said:

New trailer looks great, I’m very excited to see the end result!

Happy to hear that, brother! ❤️

Cheers, you two! I’m glad you liked the trailer! Five years of work is coming together, finally…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQsEiWLaBDI

MalàStrana said:

Anjohan said:

“hello, I’m Poe” to Rey at the end, setting up a relationship.

Didn’t they already meet during TFA ending ? (you know, when they complete the map, they are in the very same room looking at the very same map…)

If TLJ tells anything, it’s stop trying to figure out uninteresting things and stop elaborating lame theories.

blabla Snoke blabla Rey’s parents blablA Maz blablabla…

(Johnson is trolling SW fans like a Master… it’s so funny reading reviews of his anti-SW flick 😃)

But there’s a difference in speculating based on reasons of obvious foreshadowing - such as what I mentioned, and just something I think might happen based on no substanial evidence.

My theater all shouted “Holy shit!” when that Rebel Ship went through the Destroyers. Very moving scene! Very beautiful!

SPECULATION

Did anyone but me notice Poe Dameron woke up THREE times after passing out in this movie, all three times after a Force Sensitive (Rey or Luke or Leia) did something with the Force? This guy is obviously force sensitive, which also explains his immense piloting skills and his “hello, I’m Poe” to Rey at the end, setting up a relationship.

Ryan said:
They tried making Luke into a Yoda character who goofed around. But it was just terrible.

No, they didn’t? How and when did he goof around? Drinking milk? Eating fish? How is that goofing? It’s his day of life. It’s his nutrition. It’s not like he played Poker every night or took a piss off the cliff or had dancing lessons with Porgs. He has been in his own world for years now, and is living like Yoda - but not by being him. Luke is not paticularly wise or level headed. He is angry and annoyed and hateful, both at himself but also at the cards he has been dealt in his life.

The worst thing is I love the original Luke Lightsaber. And in The Last Jedi, Luke just tosses it away like he’s in an SNL skit. They didn’t just ruin Luke’s character, but now when watching the Original Trilogy, I’ll never get out of my head of Luke just tossing that Lightsaber like in the trash.

So they ruined Luke’s character because he tossed away his old saber? The saber he lost when his own father cut of his hand, after the revelation that said father was one of the most cruel men in the galaxy? How does that ruin his character?

I surprised how they apparently killed Snoke. I was thinking he’d be like the Emperor in VI and copy the themes in VI for Episode IX.

Exactly the point. EVERYONE thought Snoke was the Emperor V2. And after the predictable A New Hope mess that was The Force Awakens, Rian Johnson took this character - that served his purpose by the end - and turned it on its head. Nobody expected it. Nobody expected Kylo Ren to become the new bad. We are so used to The Emperor and the apprentice redemption arc, that Rian fooled us - and he fooled us good, to the benefit of the story.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

To me it seemed like Finn was either going to get hit before he made it, or crashing into the weapon wasn’t going to accomplish much. Basically, it seemed like he was making a sacrifice for the sake of it.

I think they made it clear that it was between him destroying the weapon and himself, or saving himself and the weapon. Rose clearly says that basically with the line of “more important to save those who we love, than defeat those who we hate”

Yeah but that line is the whole point. Attacking the weapon is a fruitless maneuver designed just to hurt them (like with the Dreadnaught at the start of the film). The Resistance was in a dire situation there even if the weapon was blown. The more important thing to do was to go back to the base and figure out most importantly how to save everyone they could, however they could.

Exactly. And this event parallaled the exact same thing that Poe Dameron did in the beginning of the movie; going for damage and loss (on the Dreadnought), rather than patience and perhaps survival for the people. Finn dooming himself would just be another small loss for the bastards their fighting, but an enourmous loss for the people who cared about him.

JEDIT: Sometimes it’s simply just about waiting for the oppurtune time, and this wasn’t it.

Windexed said:

Silly question, but does anyone have an opinion on whether I could take my 6-year old to this. He’s not really allowed to view anything violent however I make an exception for Star Wars. I don’t want him to see Tfa as I find Kylo’s murder scenes a little too dark. This didn’t seem nearly as violent. Is it just me?

A guy get cut in half, a woman blown out a window and most scenes take place at night. Might be too rough. But then again - I watched the exorcist at six years old.

DrDre said:
There are many twists and turns, which were refreshing, but what are we really left with at the end? The New Republic is completely erased from existence at the start of the film, and we end up with a few dozen rebels as they are now once again called in a single ship having to defeat the FO, who now controls the entire galaxy. Talk about bad odds.

But this was the entire point of the story. The rebels left, are completely fucked. Completely and utterly lost. It is just like any mid-point in a trilogy; their greatest challenges, their greatest struggles - and finding new hope where old hope is lost, and finding strength and friendship in one self and others. How is this an issue? How is this bad for the story? It is a natural and completely realistic progression of the story, and continuation of TFA.

Snoke became a plot device, only to be replaced by his incapable luitenant. Let’s not forget Kylo got his *** handed to him, and since this film directly follows TFA, and his training has not been completed, our main antagonist for episode IX remains just a boy in a mask (only his helmet is now too big), as Snoke called him, a pretender to the throne.

This too, is the point. How is this an issue? It parallels all story we ever know (how many hasn’t lost power to other who wanted their place?, including Star Wars mythos (always two there are, and one to take the other’s place). Snoke literally became a Sith when he did this. He did the exact same thing that Vader did to the Emperor - except for the redemption, which he has not found yet. The entire thing that makes Kylo Ren a character on his own, is that he always had Vader on his shoulders to bear - and Snoke made that perfectly clear. By killing Snoke, Kylo Ren freed himself of this - which took such a toll on him that he saw it as a curse, as something holding him back and poisoning him from the inside, clouding his powers and his motives. Snoke expected him to become Vader - but he couldn’t. Because he wasn’t. He was a boy betrayed by his friend, uncle and Master, and exploited by an old, force-sensitive alien man that only wanted him for his blood. He freed himself from the claws of Luke and Snoke and everything that held him back in The Force Awakens, which is one of the many reasons Rey managed to hurt him so bad he couldn’t believe it himself.

So no? You completely missed the entire story, the entire plot. Before Kylo killed Snoke he was a pretender in a mask. When he killed Snoke and when he confronted Luke, he was the new Leader of the First Order - the true Kylo Ren, a young man betrayed by his biggest role model - the legend Luke Skywalker, his uncle. He lives for his own justice - killing the past, making his own future, with no Vader on his shoulders. A man who follows his own moral compass and not the one others tell him to. His own Master.

However, things are much worse on the side of the good. Whereas Luke took three films and the trials of Job to finally become a Jedi, Rey is now on her way to Jedi Knighthood after just three lessons. Three lessons reluctantly given by Luke are apparently enough for him to pass on the batton, and then just die. We got some Jedi history, which is nice, but apparently Yoda feels Rey and her three lessons worth of Jedi training are already more important than the collected wisdom of the Jedi masters of old. This attitude perfectly encapsulates this film.

Here there is much more room for juicy discussion. This is where we go from your opinions being based on lack of understanding, and over to the more plausible likes or dislikes of the movie that we all have.

What Luke did doesn’t matter for what Rey does. I understand that you’d like more training. That you’d like a Jedi Padawan type of path, just as Luke before her. But that wasn’t this story. This story was about force sensitivty, and how the Jedi were self-obsessed, ignorant fools - worshipping their rules and morals so highly that they surpressed their own humanity, causing their downfall. How the path for new hope and a new future for the Jedi was for the last one to die, for others to be born and do it right. Rey was this person.

Her training wasn’t necessary, because she shouldn’t follow the way of Luke or the Old Republic on Coruscant. She would need to forge her own path and that of others. It isn’t the training that makes the Jedi - it is learning from the Masters and their faults, which is the best way to learn for those who come after. Yoda literally spelt this out. And this person, is Rey. Her training isn’t important. Her understanding is, to forge her own path and that of others - to bring hope back in the Galaxy. In other words, Luke’s death and Rey’s understanding is the spark of fire that will burn the First Order down.

Your review is unfair, because so many points are based on a complete lack of understanding. This movie needs more than one viewing.

liambrazier said:
There IS a lot of good in this movie, just perhaps too many balls in the air. Can’t wait to get my hands on it and have a play.

Too many balls, and you’d love to get your hands on them and have a play. I love you, brother, but oh man did I laugh at this.