It’s just a little creative freedom, for the Darth Maul theme.
The blue orb is not a finished effect, but it’s the floating hologram of Sidious.
You’re making the underwater city the actual sanctuary? It’s great to see that finally implemented in an edit. It always bothered the so called “safer place” where Gungans took refuge was nearer to the invaded zone, and in broad daylight. Reminds me of that Scorpion King movie where a bunch of people was “hidden” in a plainly visible oasis, and were like “you people are bringing the enemy” when the zeroes arrived there.
Yes. And as you said; this removes the horrible, illogical movement that is their entire race moving up to the battle-infested grounds.
Now, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan gets down there with Jar-Jar, is introduced to Boss Nass, in which Obi-Wan persuade General Nass to team with the Naboo. Thereafter, in the next scene, the Gungans have come to the top - but now, not for it being the sanctuary, but for meeting with the Queen and her people.
And - oh yes, by the way, guys! For those thinking this one is near finished or that everything is sorted out; it is not. I am absolutely open for any suggestions whatsoever.
I love all of these drastic edits that people are starting to do! Everything that one could do to keep the story relatively intact and cut all of the fluff has already been done, so these types of edits are all that are left. My only minor complaint is the title, “The Ancient Lore” doesn’t give off a Star Wars-y vibe to me.
This edit is especially interesting, can’t wait!
Yes, there is not much left to do than these re-imaginings of sorts. But I didn’t start the edit back in 2013 because I wanted it to be different; it was because I saw endless possibilities to re-create the movie into something way, way better (IMO). And that just made my brain go into crazy mode! I mean, come on; what more cool than to make your childhood memory into something even better, especially when that childhood memory is a movie mostly despised by the audience you seek to show it to?
Not often do you get such an idea and then get the chance to do it, so I definitely just had to!
As for the title, although I’ve received a lot of praise for it through the years, I can absolutely believe people are just as liking to it as there are people who are not. The best and/or worst part of being a Star Wars fan, is that we’re so universally focused on certain aspects that are not really that important. And that makes us the best fans ever!
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement, and I hope you’ll find something much more enjoyable in my version of TPM than what you originally got.
This is a fascinating project. We will follow your progress with great interest.
Thank you! Happy to hear that!
STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE ANCIENT LORE
This edit has been going on for four years, started over at fanedit.org. Thought it’d be time to introduce it over here as well.
Moving on from my Harry Potter Revisited franchise, It’s time to rework one of my other childhood memories. For those who know me by now, you know I don’t do with only editing pace or lines or cutting. I really want to change everything that I feel doesn’t work in a storytelling sense, be that creating new scenes, languages or even incorporating non-canon story elements.
This Phantom Menace will not resemble anything close to what you have seen before - and is not meant to it. There is a completely new narrative, and with that a completely new beginning, middle and an end to this version of George Lucas’s prequel trilogy. This version of Episode I is what I think Episode I should be, with the material at hand.
[1.] OUTLINE
Episode I is the best-looking of the three prequels, with a lot of devotion put into them from both the crew, actors as well as the director himself before he went all ludacris on digital moviemaking. It is also the most dull of the three prequels, with little to no character motivation or even plot explanation.
I even think half of the people that have seen the movie probably still don’t understand its plot, nor importance in the prequel trilogy. Is that a problem? Heck yes…
[2.] THE GENERAL CHANGELIST
[3.] PLOT EXPLANATION
The Nemodians have gathered political supporters, systems, planets - and most importantly - technology and intelligence - through the co-operation with Palpatine, aka. Lord Sidious, for years. Naboo is the movie’s target for invasion, because this is where Palpatine sees fit to create his Clone Army. Naboo has everything they need - the huge space travel gap between them and the Republic, and all the resources needed. But this plot is not known to anyone but the Nemodians and Palpatine himself, which is something they only discuss in great secrecy.
It is not before the defeat of The Trade Federation (the separtists) on the Planet of Naboo, that Sheev Palpatine realizes his recklessness and executes his plans far beyond the reach of the Republic, in the dark corner of the galaxy on the planet of Kaminoo, with the help of corrupted Master Syfo-Dius and Count Dooku - plotting for even more years to come - which is what leads into Attack of the Clones.
HOW TO: Some of these plot points are learned throughout the new Opening Crawl, and the rest told through dialogue or interpretation of new and/or existing scenes.
[4.] PREVIEW CLIPS (both finished once, and unfinished once)
SITH LORDS ON TATOOINE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=ElzRNYkrn7o
EXTENDED TATOOINE BATTLE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJEKjGAyHjg
FATHERLY TIES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXSldN2x_Ag
UNFINISHED PREVIEW OF CERTAIN KEY SCENES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7wznxvDVI
I hope Adywan removes Luke from Episode VI to make it more of a mystery in TFA what really happened to him, and have Han Solo kill the Emperor and Vader instead. It would also strengthen his character.
THE SAME SCRIPT AWAKENS
EXT. SPACE, 30 YEARS AFTER ROTJ
Rey is Luke. Finn is funny. Poe should be dead, but I liked Oscar Isaac - we’ll keep him.It’s the same plot as A NEW HOPE, but with Han as Old Ben - the mentor figure. Rey lives on Tatooi- Jakku, a desert planet, and her father is Anaki- Uhm, Obi-Wan, but we’ll keep that info until EP 8. There is a new deathstar, but BIG DUFFERENCE: it is much more enormouser!!! Gigantic!
The new villain is unsure yet, but I might have to write him himself… bleh, boooring! I’ll ask George for ideas on this one!
The movie ends pretty much the same way as ANH, but I WANT BIG LIGHTSABER FIGHT IN END! I WANT THE MOVIE TO FEEL NEW!!
I found J.J’s first script draft while traveling through Disneyland yesterday. It was inside his car. I broke into it.
THE SAME SCRIPT AWAKENS
EXT. SPACE, 30 YEARS AFTER ROTJ
Rey is Luke. Finn is funny. Poe should be dead, but I liked Oscar Isaac - we’ll keep him.
It’s the same plot as A NEW HOPE, but with Han as Old Ben - the mentor figure. Rey lives on Tatooi- Jakku, a desert planet, and her father is Anaki- Uhm, Obi-Wan, but we’ll keep that info until EP 8. There is a new deathstar, but BIG DUFFERENCE: it is much more enormouser!!! Gigantic!
The new villain is unsure yet, but I might have to write him myself… booting! I might ask George for ideas!
The movie ends pretty much the same way as ANH, but I WANT BIG LIGHTSABER FIGHT IN END! I WANT THE MOVIE TO FEEL NEW!!
7 of the last 10 reviews on IMDB:
- “The Worst of the Very Worst, Should be Forbidden”
- “This Movie Is Stupid”
- “Leaves A Lot To Be Desired”
- “The Fart Awakens And Stinks up The Galaxy Far Far Away”
- “So bad I had to create a review account”
- “Imagine if someone gave you money for presenting someone else’s work/script/idea”
- “Not terrible, not great either”
Which one is your favorite?
Ahhh, lovely to see the brutal honesty from fans! My favorite would have to be nr. 6. It’s just too harshly true to be avoided.
Alderaan’s constant bitching about Disney almost makes me feel sympathetic towards Disney.
That might be my favorite gif ever.
Too bad, Disney used to be a good company.
That GIF sums up my feelings for TFA pretty well.
So after watching this again, I’m wondering if the ending would have been better had Fin died. Probably not a popular opinion, but it would have been a powerful event for his character, and I’m struggling to think of what kind of unique role he could play in the rest of the trilogy. His arc seems kind of complete already.
Not a crazy proposition. This thought has crossed my mind many times since I first saw it.
I thought that too, but it’s partly for another reason: I know this is very unpopular, but I think Finn’s role in the movie feels, unfortunately, expandable. If you look at what he does in TFA, the only two things which move the plot forward are saving Poe (another hit-and-miss character, especially since he wasn’t originally supposed to come back in the third part of the movie) and helping Han find the panel to lower Starkiller’s shields. That’s it. The writers even struggled to make him relevant in the final duel, making Ben use the force to make Rey unconscious (he doesn’t do it anymore later) so Finn could fight him alone.
They could’ve switched him with another character and it still wouldn’t have really affected the plot, which I think is unfortunate: being a former stormtrooper, he could’ve been the best character in the movie, especially if they fleshed out more his internal conflicts. As he is now in TFA, he could’ve died and it would’ve still been alright, bacause he feels expendable (to me, at least).The problem with Finn is that he’s really just a former stormtrooper-ino (in name only). Really, he acts nothing like an ex-stormtrooper. He’s just some dude (just a likeable goof who bumbles his way through the film). Which is indeed unfortunate because a former stormtrooper as a character has a lot of potential for exploration and development. But Finn’s lack of depth really is just a symptom of the bigger problem. Which is the disappointing reality that The Force Awakens is actually a pretty shallow movie. Mostly, it’s just your typical mediocre Hollywood Sci-Fi action film with only the trappings from the original Star Wars trilogy to raise it’s profile. It’s not that it was horrible (they did manage to avoid the overt stupidity of the prequels), but the film played it too safe (mostly consisting of a steady procession of OT characters/vehicles/themes that would conveniently pop up between/during the many action scenes…"Oooo, look! It’s the Millennium Falcon! pause for applause…Oh, and there’s Han Solo! pause for applause…And look there! Another Death Star…but BIGGER! crickets chirping).
Now the film wasn’t WHOLLY inadequate. There were a few decent parts too. For instance, I mostly liked what they did with Kylo Ren. But then all the time they spent developing his character is wasted when he eventually comes across Rey and her whole waltzing through the movie doing her “anything you can do, I can do better” routine. I mean, really…You’re going to have the obligatory lightsaber duel in the finale feature three characters, only one of which has any training with an actual lightsaber (and he still loses because, you know, there’s this certain protagonist that happens to be naturally great at just about everything…on demand). I guess J.J. knew he wasn’t going to be around for the following films. So, he wanted to have the payoff for her character at the end of this first film (but it just seems all too easy and unearned).
Unfortunately, the Force Awakens has taken most of the wind out the sails of my anticipation for Episode VIII.
But whatever…At least Rogue One was really good.
+1. Except for Rogue One. I didn’t care for anyone but the droid, and the blind guy. A sad thing to admit, but it’s true. It was the only time I got emotional through the entirety of the film. I don’t even have the impression that Jyn Erso was the main character.
I would prefer the prequels be referenced occasionally, though not in a way that would dredge up any of their continuity issues with the original trilogy. For example, no references to Qui-Gon as Obi-Wan’s master, since in the OT it was Yoda who trained him. Featuring Bail Organa as played by Jimmy Smitts is perfectly fine, being a character referenced in the OT and nothing about his prequel portrayal strains this. I’d rather not reference Threepio being built by Anakin.
Y’know, reference and include the prequels to whatever degree is appropriate, but I’d avoid anything that wouldn’t read well if one hadn’t seen them.
+1.
This is my thoughts, exactly.
I can’t wait to see Lil’ Ani in 3D!!!
boring main characters
¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
I just didn’t find Finn FindMyIphone, Rey the Grey and Pope Damyian to be interesting new additions.
Rey is Luke V2; from a desert planet with unclear family relations, Finn is boring and used for comic, and Poe is not in it much and frankly could be dead.
SNOKE is imposing, but we’ve already seen the Mastermind in a hologram thing before in EP 5.
HAN SOLO is cool because of the OT, and have some funny lines.
MAZ KANATA is orange “dont-underestimate-my-size” Yoda.
KYLO REY is new and cool.
I find it funny, that out of all the OT practical effects in Jabba’s palace, I find Jabba the most convincing and every single other Rubber-mask alien completely unbelievable, whilst in A New Hope I don’t.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this might be due to a bigger focus on “bigger, better, more” in RotJ, whilst in ANH it was the little things that mattered.
Any thoughts on this? Is it just me? Am I alone?
Gaffer Tape said:
Well, as you will later see in his abysmal dealings with Jabba the Hutt, Luke has some kind of inferiority complex that forces him to kill as many people as humanly possible. I mean, sure, some Imperial forces might die if the AT-AT tips over due to a damaged leg, but if you really want to rack up a good kill count, blowing up the cockpit with an explosive is the safer way to go!
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke’s plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I’ve never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Good question. I don’t think there ever was much of a plan - just all about getting inside the fort, and take it from there. Worked out well, tho’. One would almost think it was in the script for them to succeed.
With all due respect to her memory, I think Carrie would appreciate her character getting the end that fit the story.
I guess she might’ve, sure.
I think Leia’s role was to bring back Kylo to the light, in a very conflicting and heartbreaking moment most certainly saved for EP IX.
Ehhh…
I can imagine this scene in my head, in which Luke is dead and Rey defeated - Snoke believing all Jedi now to be extinct, with Rey and Kylo - having tried to overthrow Snoke - both laying wounded on the floor infront of him. And then, in a “what the fuck are you doing here?” reaction from Snoke as Leia suddenly walks into the room from out of nowhere, Leia suddenly wreaks mental force havoc on Snoke, killing him in the most brutal force usage scene we have ever seen on screen, crushing and slamming him from wall to wall until every bone is broken in his twisted, pale body, only for Leia to give the biggest one-liner ever: “I’m not afraid of the Dark Side, Lord Snoke - I relish it in the favor of my son”, crushing Snoke’s head right off with the very swift movement of the Force from her hands, leaving his wretched body more pale and lifeless than ever on the dusty floor.
- No.
- That’s not even a one-liner. It really doesn’t even make sense.
I don’t give a shit what you think ❤️ From my point of view your behavior is evil! Lil’ Ani would flesh you with his exhaustion vents.
With all due respect to her memory, I think Carrie would appreciate her character getting the end that fit the story. If in IX, Leia was supposed to be murdered or betrayed, I can’t see how she wouldn’t have had wanted that still.
But I don’t think this was ever the direction they were heading. I think Leia’s role was to bring back Kylo to the light, in a very conflicting and heartbreaking moment most certainly saved for EP IX.
I think Han was the sacrifice for EP 7. Luke the sacrifice for EP 8. And Leia the one to survive, bring balance, and restore the Jedi Order Luke never dared to try restore again.
I can imagine this scene in my head, in which Luke is dead and Rey defeated - Snoke believing all Jedi now to be extinct, with Rey and Kylo - having tried to overthrow Snoke - both laying wounded on the floor infront of him. And then, in a “what the fuck are you doing here?” reaction from Snoke as Leia suddenly walks into the room from out of nowhere, Leia suddenly wreaks mental force havoc on Snoke, killing him in the most brutal force usage scene we have ever seen on screen, crushing and slamming him from wall to wall until every bone is broken in his twisted, pale body, only for Leia to give the biggest one-liner ever: “I’m not afraid of the Dark Side, Lord Snoke - I relish it in the favor of my son”, crushing Snoke’s head right off with the very swift movement of the Force from her hands, leaving his wretched body more pale and lifeless than ever on the dusty floor.
Now that, would be the way to end Leia’s arc.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Judge me by my size, do you?
Cliegg Lars dying from broken hearts.
What?
Now this is just plain stupid. Did Lucas intend for “broken heart” to be some kind of people’s disease for the saga? How disappointing.
Do they not deserve the chance to walk down memory lane with stories and references from their favorite moments?
They do, and they can do it by watching the prequels.
Valid point. But couldn’t the same be said for the OT then?
If Disney made the new trilogy in PT era and fans criticized; would the answer “you can watch the OT” be a satisfactory one for you as a lifelong fan?
the prequels, do they really deserve to be forgotten acts of the past?
Yes.
But can you say the same about this statement: the fact that there are kids out there who - for them - the Prequels are just as important for them as the OT may be for you. Do they not deserve the chance to walk down memory lane with stories and references from their favorite moments?
Sure they do. But the movies have no real cultural or historical impact. If you like em cause ya grew up with em, that’s fine. Reminiscing on things we loved as kids can be fun. But the PT did nothing to earn a positive place in the collective conscious.
They really are just some dumb movies.
But is this a fact, or is this just a popular opinion?
Because you see, according to moviemakers and American moviemaking businesses, the prequels are in fact historically and culturally important, as they broke new ground for visual effects and and digital moviemaking.
So actually what you are saying is incorrect, but your opinion is commonly shared. So you are basing your reasons on what you deem factually correct, when in fact - it should be known - that it is just an opinion. By no factual means are they not historically or culturally important.
the prequels, do they really deserve to be forgotten acts of the past?
Yes.
But can you say the same about this statement: the fact that there are kids out there who - for them - the Prequels are just as important for them as the OT may be for you. Do they not deserve the chance to walk down memory lane with stories and references from their favorite moments?
