leftshoe18 said:

Definitely works better to show that Kenobi actually went somewhere to get into the water. Nice job!

Great to hear. I’m going to prolong the first shot post-Haja scene with a tad second. I think it goes by a little bitt too quick. The rest of the pacing I quite enjoy, and happy to know that it works.

revel911 said:

How do you transition back out of the water rescue? I am crazy curious here as I like the direction.

I can upload a video when I soon get back home from the sun. I’ve also explained it in the post up above, in the “Cons” segment.

Sirius said:

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

My god, this is really professional quality, seems exactly like the beginning of a movie. Well done!

Acbagel said:

Anjohan, in regards to the new rescue clips, the main thing that threw me off was the immediate transition to underwater, are there any other shots you could use to bridge the gap? Even something as simple as Obi walking down an alley or something that could make it seem like he is accessing the sewers

Agreed. I also think that this rescue sequence is much better than the rescue from episode 2 by a mile, and for me at least all the clothes changes is excusable, since it isn’t a big deal after all and it’s for the benefit of better scenes. And this could be nitpicking, but Leia is smiling in the shot right before the lights turn off (maybe another shot of her when she’s panicking could be more appropriate). Additionally, an youtuber fixed an “error” of the moment where Obi-Wan hides from the stormtroopers, maybe this could help:

Cheers, Sirius. I hope you liked the new transition posted up above. I forgot to quote your post the first time.

Also, Leia isn’t smiling? Only when Obi-Wan rescues her.

I am doing slight color correction of certain parts of the series, like Jabiin. Did NOT like the overly orange there. Also, adding more light to EP 6 duel is a good idea.

Alternate Rescue

New “Transition” -> New soundmix and some world-building, with a smoother transition as suggested by @Acbagel.

https://streamable.com/2gn649

Tell me how you feel about it, and the potential of using this as the new rescue. (Obs! Watch the video and read the post up above to see the first half of the rescue if you’re confused).

Responses from the last two pages

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Love this, personally. And I don’t think it’s too “fanedit-y” at all if it improves the flow and logic of the original material. The second rescue is far better, imo, and I don’t think it’s feasible to keep both in a TV-to-movie edit.

Exactly. Cheers, brother. Tell me how you feel about the new transition. Maybe this will be the new rescue.

revel911 said:

Making Haja bad guy?

What? No. I’m confused. Haja is helping Obi-Wan like in the original series, just to a greater (and more engaging) degree (if we’re talking about the alternate rescue idea).

Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

[… Post continues up above]

This is a very, very interesting idea, and something that could be pulled off. Let me look into it as soon as we’ve decided on going after the alternate rescue idea or not, so that I don’t work on two major changes at once.

Also, my only fear is that the edit becomes too radical and fanedit-y if I go buttshit crazy and start re-arranging both the rescue AND the ending (and the ending totally works for me either way, though this is a BETTER idea than the original mesa thinks).

homelyjedi said:

i haven’t read through every post on this thread, so sorry if i repeat something…
that Leia chase edit looks great. no chase, she just gets a hood slipped over her from behind. i’m sure others will agree that the second Leia chase needs some real restructuring. it look like Reva is chasing them at first, and then i guess she gets lost or something?
is it too much to hope that someone out there can make the grand inquisitor look like a Pau’an, like he is supposed to be? yeah, i know. that would be a lot of work…

Unfortunately I won’t be doing VFX work for the Inquisitor. Live-action and animation often takes liberties and thinking about, everything in Rebels is thinner, hahaha! Just look at the sabers. Tiny, little sticks! There’s the explanation! Haha!

i would lighten Luke’s hair, if it’s possible. that’s probably nitpicking, but people’s hair generally gets darker as they get older, not lighter.

Interesting point. I could do that.

i really want to see Vader kill Reva after their fight. no, not because i hate her or something. it just doesn’t make sense for Vader to let her live. it didn’t even make sense that he let her live for any period of time, since he knows that she knows who he is. i actually ended up liking her character arc, even though it was so predictable, but Vader has always killed anyone who even finds out who he is. the only problem is that i’m pretty sure Disney wants to use Reva in other projects, so it probably wouldn’t be a canon-worthy edit.

It’s up to interpretation whether she dies or not. She’s left fatally wounded in my edit.

i think it would make more sense for Reva to be sneaking up behind Vader right at the moment that the second ship is escaping. it would be a smarter move for Reva to attack as he’s distracted, and it would make it look like he’s too occupied to grab the second ship with the force.

This is the way it is in the edit - made up my mind the moment i saw how badly executed her plan was.

i’d like to see the the Vader/Kenobi fight without cutaways. it’s distracting. it also doesn’t make sense that Kenobi seemingly instantaneously travels to Tatooine when he senses Reva is already two feet away from Luke. maybe Obi-Wan is already leaving the planet him and Darth fought on, when he senses the first moment that Reva shows up at “Skywalker Ranch.” it would at least seem like it took a little more time for him to travel through space.

No cut-aways.

oh, and the de-aging.

De-aging is done.

just my two cents. i’m really looking forward to your edits, and any Kenobi edits. i think with a little bit of tweaking this could be a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe.

thevarsek said:

Anjohan said:

Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.

The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.

Beautiful.

“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic

I agree: we can reintroduce that line and leave out the rest!

I’m so glad that you’re working on this. The writing had so many logic issues and plot holes that I ended up really not liking the series - even though I admit it has cool moments…it’s as if cool moments were all they were after though. I’m excited to see how this turns out!

Thank you for that, my friend. Always appreciated. I hope it gives you a good time.

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

I liked that a lot, NFBisms. A lot. The soundmixing work was very delightful - and the tone and execution of the pacing of the cuts mirroring the trauma and chaotic feeling of Obi-Wan’s mind and heart was beautiful. As a total admirer of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul myself (give ut the last half of season 6, you bastards!) this was definitely in their spirit.

I would have no reason NOT to include this into my edit for any other reason than that it might break with the flow and tone of the rest of the film (/series). However, this could be fixed by me adding a simple soundtrack here and there (thinking the Kenobi Theme - somber version) just to make it “feel” like the rest of the Kenobi film. However, I’ve never borrowed anything from a faneditor before and always like to do my own thing, but this is just… it’s good, man. It’s good.

What does people think? I’m both for and against.

idir_hh said:

I am intrigued by the idea of intercutting the Anakin and Obi wan flashback with the climactic duel, especially if one removes or diminishes the Reva/Luke subplot…

Too be honest, the Jabiin segment is so lackluster in suspense and momentum that the flashback sequence is perfect there as it adds another dimension to the Second Act. A very welcome addition in other words. Therefore I won’t go with this idea - although it is a brilliant one!

revel911 said:

Theme that you may want to check out:

https://youtu.be/ALYjYnGEZKc

Definitely a good one, but I’ve already settled on the duel as it is more or less finished.

Bingowings said:

It would have worked better if a Sandperson did attack and Reva saved Luke. I wish she had lost the saber in the previous episode. When Luke lights up his new saber in ANH wouldn’t he be all “wow that’s like that red one that crazy lady my Aunt and Uncle scared off had… I thought I dreamt it” otherwise the whole sequence is pointlessly distracting. The show is about Kenobi not some child torturing dudes and dudettes. It’s all making redemption very cheap.

True. But I won’t have to deal with that, as all of Reeva is cut in EP 6 - for the better of both continuity and sanity.

lavoyd said:

I’m a little behind on this thread after this latest episode, so pardon me if this has been done or said already.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this whole series and loved this episode as well for multiple reasons but the one thing I immediately thought of modifying while watching the episode that I believe would enhance the scene was adding a bit more of Vader’s voice to the mix in the post duel scene. Specifically when he says “I did…” to more thematically depict Vader as the one responsible for Anakin’s death. I tried to keep it fairly subtle but am open to critique if anyone has any suggestions or feedback.

I added a tad more to the following line “…the same way I will destroy you” as well but kept it much lower in the mix until ‘you’.

https://streamable.com/ephg22

Interesting idea. I like it as is, but I like your approach as well. Let me think about it.

Sirius said:

revel911 said:

Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.

I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.

Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.

And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.

True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.

There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.

To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄

Once again, thank you.

Octorox said:

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

Exactly.

Sirius said:

revel911 said:

Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.

I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.

Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.

And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.

True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.

There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.

To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄

Once again, thank you.

leftshoe18 said:

I think getting rid of Ben’s “my friend really is dead” line is enough. Vader believing he’s “killed” the part of himself that is Anakin works just fine.

Agreed. And change already done. Thank you for your input.

I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:

https://streamable.com/ngan0x

So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.

Pros:

-> Definitely a more interesting rescue, by far, imo.
-> We actually get Obi-Wan in some good, interesting action before the film’s second act - which is more of a thriller-y, slow-burn type of act (which i love, but some starting action might be a good thing).
-> Lovely atmosphere
-> Hajja is more useful
-> World-building

Cons:

-> Leia wears the same robe that Obi-Wan later buys (but I’ve changed the sweater’s color from green to brown).
-> Why does Obi-Wan change outfit? (They are almost similar, but perhaps he borrowed some from his fake jedi friend Hajja?
-> When they escape the facility later on, they come out a door from an establishing shot turning close-up. They wear lab suits. This, imo, is not an issue - as we can let the imagination assume that they followed an escape plan set up by Hajja, and changed clothes on their ways back out for security meassures.
-> Too fanedit-y?

Also, the Inquisitor Fortress never make an apperance in the film (not because of this change - this is just for fun).

Cheers, guys. I’ll respond to posts I haven’t responded to later/tomorrow. Brain is fried.

Thank you for your continuing support and lovely feedback. ❤️

Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.

The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.

Beautiful.

“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic

Octorox said:

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

Well, I agree. I always did. But it still is an issue for most.

However, perhaps I should just re-insert the two lines - or just the “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and call it quits. The halfway point.

I don’t see it as a game changer either way. Episode 6 works almost as is (without Reeva).

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax!

I would say that is a great overstatement.

Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

I do absolutely see where you’re coming from, having myself really enjoyed that moment. But when most viewers would like canon to be preserved it creates a great problem for me.

And although I agree with most of your assessment, I also think one can do both.

That being said, as I’ve stated, I totally interpreted the scene that ObI-Wan overcame his guilt and trauma and just left Anakin his own, failed misery - unable to both persuade him and kill him. It worked for me, but it seems not to work for many others (because of the two lines of them totally distancing themselves from one another).

It’s a huge problem, but if we choose to keep it in do we sacrifice continuity? Sure. Is Leia and Obi-Wan’s relationship a break in continuity? Sure. Should I keep one and remove the other? That’s unfair.

So it’s a problem. One really, really works and can’t be removed, and the other also really works for me and you, but not for most others, and CAN be removed.

You see the problem and the solution? It’s a tough one, and I’m totally willing for more debate on the subject - but so far I think I’ve counted eight arguments against the dialogue and about three for (and on YouTube the fans are going crazy - as they always do, lol).

The edit is not released yet.

Also:

I completely forgot to mention that I removed Leia leaving Obi-Wan in a panic in EP 2. Lol. This change I did way back. I hated how she, ten years of age and TOTALLY alone and in great danger, leaves the ONLY man even remotely capable of protecting her - whether she trusts him or not.

They simply climb to the rooftoops because they are on the run, and then when Obi-Wan is being shot at, THEN Leia panics and starts screaming “Ben! Ben!” and runs to the edge of the roof.

So the scene go something like:

Reeva contact Bounty Hunters / puts out bounty -> Obi-Wan sees they are being targeted -> They are on the run, Bounty Hunters are looking for him -> They run into alleyway, Obi-Wan slap the dude down -> Inquisitors arrive and confront Reeva -> Leia climbs up a ladder to the rooftoops, Obi-Wan is seen running up there already -> Inquisitor “Whispery-Voice” Guy marches through the streets -> Leia and Obi-Wan continues to run on the roof, and then Bounty Hunter starts to shoot -> and then some alterations to the overall pacing and tone of that scene. It doesn’t go on for way too long, and it focuses on Obi-Wan and Leia.

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks, guys.

Rebel Scummm said:

Hi Anjohan. Your edit sounds EPIC!!! I can´t wait to watch it.

For me, just “Obi-Wan Kenobi”. Shorter and to the point. With nothing else to distract from what it is really about. Personally I prefer to always keep the original titles.

Greetings from Lima, Peru.

Chris

Thank you, Rebel Scumm. Appreciated!

Since most people voted for A Star Wars Story, I went with that. Thank you for your input nevertheless!

Omni said:

Very interesting suggestion in the last page by Nells talking about moving Obi-Wan meeting Luke to before he even leaves rather than leave it being one of the last scenes in the show. For starters, it would ease continuity since now Owen goes from not trusting Ben at the start of the show, to trusting him, to not trusting him by the original film. Why is that?

But it might be tonally jarring to have uplift Ben that early on. Something to think about, though.

Exactly. You nailed it in the very last sentence of your post. Way too upbeat next to the overall grim face of Kenobi in the opening sections of the film. Great idea, but the tone would suffer for sure.

Darth Raditz said:

Thank you for all your work, Anhojan. Take as much time as you need in polishing this edit.

Thank you for that, Raditz. Greatly appreciated.

I don’t question why Obi-Wan left Vader to die on Mustafar since (thanks to this series) Obi-Wan thought Vader died there anyway. As for in the moment of the duel, chopping off your “brother’s” limbs & watch him get set on fire has got to be pretty traumatic, even for a Jedi Master like Obi-Wan, so I don’t blame him for not wanting to do the deed then & there, much less risking smoke inhalation from the planet.

With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

I think you can include Qui-Gon’s line about Anakin being the Chosen One if you remove Obi-Wan’s line about Anakin being truly dead. Obi-Wan saying “Goodbye, Darth,” will suffice.

Also, I second “Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.”

This is a great point, shared by you and countless others. Your suggestion (along with a few others) is a good one, and I will simply address the issue by removing the line “Then my friend is truly dead” (as suggested by others). Removing the line will help clarify that Obi-Wan still sees Anakin behind that mask, and that killing him is just not something he is capable of.

regularjoe said:

Re names, my edit is planned to be two parts, part 1 is A Princess in Peril and part 2 is going to be The Children of the Jedi.

I wish you good luck with your edit! Two-parter sounds interesting. I assume you’ll be using Episode 4 in your edit.

Kaweebo said:

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

The problem is, I’m not sure how you COULD fix this. Because yes I am in the camp that it simply does not make sense Obi-Wan would let him live again because that means he’s deferring to having Luke do it when he’s older. Why would he pressure Luke to kill Vader later on if he had the chance to do it TWICE? Once in RotS is understandable, I think he genuinely thought he was going to die there on Mustafar. But here it just makes him look moronic at best and downright irresponsible at worst.

But again, I don’t think there’s a way to edit that to make it make sense. A problem with these new shows is that unlike movies (usually, looking at you TROS…) there’s generally no deleted scenes released for them, so even if they filmed a different version, we’ll never get to see it.

Your argument stands really valid, and I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

True and true. They have wandered into sketchy territory, and although i really like Leia and Obi-Wan’s relationship, it does create a few questions upon watching A New Hope.

I hope the removal of Luke’s encounter with Reeva and the plot armour lines between Vader and Kenobi (as stated twice above in this post) will bring you closer to what you would perceive a more “canon” cut. Thank you for your feedback.

CMMAP said:

Anjohan said:

What about the Piano Theme?.

If you feel so strongly about including it, „dew it“. It‘s your edit, we have to respect that.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

I vote Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks as always, CMMAP. 😃 I am not totally determined to keep it as of yet - I will need until release to give it a second thought or two.

Kaweebo said:

CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

I appreciated some of the things in the duel acting as foreshadowing for their duel in ANH; Vader sarcastically calling Obi-Wan “master,” Obi-Wan calling Vader “Darth,” and the scene where Vader tells Kenobi that he killed Anakin himself all really worked for me on principle. While I’ve accepted the idea that Mustafar was the last time they met for 15 years, there was definitely room for them to have had another encounter in the meantime.

If the circumstances of HOW they got there were better, this show would have been a welcome addition to my canon for the story. As is, I’d rather it not even have been made.

I hope this edit brings it closer to your canon.

DZ-330 said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Anjohan said:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story

Agreed. “A Star Wars Story” to imply it’s an official movie and “Kenobi” to help show it is a shortened version of the show.

Done.

Acbagel said:

I salute you on your efforts, thanks for the update post! Can’t wait to see the finished product.

I am in full support of everything in your latest update.

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

“Kenobi”

Wow. That idea could really work. My only concern is that the “20 minute” or so gap between the previous flashback and then the climax of it might be a tad too long. Let me give it a thought. I could definitely see the emotional value in doing that. I just fear the time passed since the “flashbacks” were truly relevant might make it feel a little bit abrupt after the duel. Hmm!

Either way, the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will go away either way, as most people have a problem with the execution of the ending dialogue between them - and I totally see why, although it was not an issue for me.

danieldubb said:

everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

I’ll keep it. The emotional value of seeing Obi-Wan buttkick Anakin’s arse after one hour straight of tormenting Obi-Wan is just too sweet to remove. I’d argue with anyone that we shouldn’t even give the Sequel Trilogy a THOUGHT about it being mirrored or “done before”. The sequels did so little right that when new content comes along and actually do do it right, then we should keep it. Here it is done right imo.

Kaweebo said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

That still doesn’t work since he is adamant in Return of the Jedi that Luke must strike his father down, even going so far as to say when Luke says he can’t, “then the Emperor has already won.”

Perhaps because Ben never intended for Luke to defeat Vader? At the end of Kenobi he literally tells Owen that the faith of the boy is in Owen’s hands, and that he was right to protect the boy from the broader picture. It seems to be faith that brings Ben and Luke back together - evident by how shocked and surprised and ill-prepared Ben is when faced with questions about “my father”.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

I see that lackluster writing is still being patched by fans with assumptions never sustained by anything in the actual show…
The only reason Ben doesn’t kill Vader is because Vader needs to be alive at this point of the lore. That’s the only reason. Anything else is only fan theories that the tvshow makers never thought about giving or implying any kind of explanation 👀

Totally agree with you. I won’t derail this thread any further with hatred for the money-hungry Disney and their complete lack of vision and planning - and stating points about how badly executed Disney Star Wars has been as far as the new trilogy is concerned is like beating a dead horse at this point. The fans shouldn’t be tasked by almost always having to force things to make sense - it is, unfortunfately, bad writing. It is. But! It creates great passion and discussions for something we all love; Star Wars. 😃

DZ-330 said:

Another reason it should just be titled “Kenobi” is because he is already using the name Ben.

Interesting take. I like it.

“A break does wonders to the will to edit”.

Responses

You guys have had a lot of interesting feedback, so instead of quoting 20 different posts and using my time on that instead of the edit, I’ll just tackle it in a general sense as I still have a lot of editing to do (if i forget to answer something please just ask me/tell me again):

Will there be grain added to the film?

Yes, I will add a slight, slight grain. Nothing overbearing. It is a good idea, and It will help bridge the Prequels -> Kenobi -> and then the OT. A good idea by @CMMAP.

What about the Piano Theme?

You guys really don’t make it easy for me, haha. Some people really like that theme, and some find it too sad. As a matter of fact, we removed it from the Village Scene with Vader & Kenobi because of the sadness in it. Most people wanted that scene to be haunting and horrifying, which the original did quite well. We therefore decided to keep it that way (although with brief glimpses of Sith Whispers and Anakin’s Betrayal).

However, as the Piano Theme - imo - has this sense of closure to Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship; with one coming to terms with their past (Obi-Wan) and one left in darkness, I think sadness is the most perfect theme there is for that ending. Why? Well, Darth Vader, or Anakin if you will, has been haunting, horryfing, powerful and ruthless throughout the entire film, so having watched the edit in its full capacity I find it outmost fitting for this theme to play now. It paints Anakin’s newfound powers and “strength” (anger from sadness you ask me) in a whole new light as we see Obi-Wan coming to terms with his past and his old friend; letting it all go for a greater purpose. He does not have the strength or courage to sustain any more lethal damage to Anakin because he has now seen with his own eyes what his past errors turned Anakin into, and having now done everything in his power to save his old friend and apologize for his mistakes, he has overcome his grief and trauma. It is sad, but powerful - two things I feel that this ending melody truly gives way for.

A little sadness does not ruin the moment for me at all, it enchances it. It is truly hard to go for or against since people are once again a little bit split, but seeing as how we sacrificed it from the Village Sequence and it now serving a greater purpose to the overarching pace and tone of the film format; I will have a hard time being persuaded to remove it once again.

As always, give me your thoughts.

Will Qui-Gon interfere in the duel?

I did look into adding a faded Qui-Gon ghost BEHIND Darth Vader, but it looked off and tonally broke with the scene at once. It just becomes too fanedit-y for my taste.

Then I added the line with a slight reverb “He is the chosen one” from Qui-Gon Jinn right after Obi-Wan says “Then my friend is truly dead”. This worked a lot better, but it still broke the presence of these two old friends reminiscing over their broken friendship and past. It’s one of those moments that sound rewarding up until you put it in the film. It just takes you out of the moment and makes you go “Qui-Gon?!?!?” instead of focusing on what the ENTIRE FILM HAS BEEN ABOUT (overcoming the past - grief and trauma - love and hate!).

So no, I don’t think I will keep the line. Sorry.

@NellsRello asked if The Piano Theme (Imperial Piano) would interfere with The Imperial March later on at Vader’s castle?

Answer is no, because this scene comes a lot later now in the film. As scene in preview clip 3 of the duel, we go to Alderaan post-duel.

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

Thank you

Once again, thank you all for your ideas and feedback, crafting the edit into something better for each passing moment. I read every post. I hate to shut down good ideas or constructive feedback (like those who are more on the fence of the Piano Theme at the end) but as a faneditor of THIS peticular edit I will just have to go with my gut sometimes. I hope and believe that when you watch the film version the Piano Theme will hit you. To me, it signals the end of Obi-Wan’s broken past and with it his broken heart, and leaves Darth Vader in his own misery with Obi-Wan raising above his.

JEDIT:

Oh, and yes, the establishing shot in the duel will remain for two reasons;

1. The most important of which is because the duel goes from standing in a wide space without surrounding rocks, and the establishing shot helps with the passage of time to them now fighting in the midsts of them.
2. It gives a great sense of scale (and epicness, you ask me).

Oh, and another Jedit:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

https://streamable.com/ebtorm

https://streamable.com/enn3rl

https://streamable.com/3f4fw6

I’m not totally pleased as of yet and I will need to re-watch it when my brain has had a break, but take a look and give pro’s and con’s and feedback. Also I’m not sure how you guys feel about the Piano Theme getting a second chance, but I think it fits for the ending. I could also just leave the scene alone. I like the duel tho’.

Going to bed now. Nighty-nighty!

Update

So, I’m hard at work rescoring the duel with Vader and Obi-Wan - whilst definitely keeping the new scoring that completely works (mostly the orchestral bits). Also, the complete timeline is now done and the film will roll credits at 2 hours and 25 minutes.

So, what about Reeva?

Her entire story in EP 6 is CUT. Not because I hate her character (although I am not fond of it), but simply because her story fit the series format but definitely not the film format I am going for. This is really the story about Obi-Wan overcoming his grief and truma, something that becomes very obvious when you trim the fat and the cringe and pace the film into a working film format. In a series format Reeva has her place, even if her place is forced into the story, but in this film and definitely in the climax parts of it she does not belong at all. Although she is in the film, her presence is only granted when it serves the story.

What about the problems it might bring? Canon-breaking perhaps?

• Well, if so, then perhaps down the line a “Canon Cut” will have to be made in which I take this edit and include her in the climax of the story. This would however only be an option if Disney decide to force more Reeva upon us and call back to her time on Tattooine with Kenobi. If not, her ending is not of importance and I’d rather leave her end at episode 5 where it belongs and where, in many ways, her character arc comes to a satisfactory end (and where I also found myself to care for her the most - none of which I did in ep 6).

Will Qui-Gon appear when Obi-Wan is trapped underneath all the rubble?

No. I agree it would be a great moment, but I interpreted Qui-Gon’s arrival at the end that Obi-Wan had passed his test and had now left the grief behind him, found love and true purpose again, and that his mind AND body was now ready for what lies ahead. Simply put, he was now ready for his final lessons whilst preparing for more important times ahead. It was also the less predictable appearance of the two choices they kinda had in when to reveal Qui-Gon. I also found it much more powerful that Leia and his love for her was the tipping point for him. Once he thought of her and felt that love, is when he became powerful enough to overpower Darth Vader and really become “Obi-Wan Kenobi” again. It is just much more beautiful IMHO.

When will the edit be done?

Having worked tirelessly on the edit since the first episode aired, now being six weeks in, I am hopeful that the release will be before the end of the month.

What are the changes to the Vader Vs Obi-Wan Duel?

Apart from it being streamlined and un-interrupted, the duel starts with an epic mix between Duel of the Fates and Battle of the Heroes (not done by me, credits will be added at the end of the film and in a seperate text file in the film folder) and a short Anakin’s Betrayal is scored upon Obi-Wan’s heartfelt “I am sorry, Anakin, I am really sorry”.

Also, the opening scene is re-structured to remove all of Reeva’s ep 6 inclusion.

Who will be credited?

All of you guys and girls who have debated the episodes tirelessly, given ideas and feedback and either knowingly or unknowingly helped craft this edit into a better film day by day.

Where will the credits be seen?

In the opening forum post of this thread, in a text-file inside the folder of the downloadable .mp4 file and at the very end of the film.

What formats will the film be DOWNLOADABLE in?

MP4 H.264 Stereo (with Surround Channel mix and amplification added to it) and then a 5.1 mix - with the new SFX and score alterations added into the 5.1 channels (mainly the surround channels, although SFX in the center channel). I expect the file size to be at about 10 Gig - this is the perfect middlepoint of quality and availability IMO.

Will there be any new video updates before release?

Yes, I will preview the duel bits soon as to hear feedback. Overall I find it immensely enjoyable, but as always I need AND want feedback to either improve or verify the new addition’s worth in the film and the final product.

You mentioned you liked EP 4. What happens to it?

Although hardly any of it is present in this film cut, an Extended Cut is very likely in which I include my edited EP 4 into it (which has already been done). When I will literally copy-paste that into the final film and create the Extended Cut is unclear as I will have to make new changes, but it is likely.

The EP 4 Inclusion would be an additional 22 minutes, meaning the Extended Cut would end at 2 hours and 49 minutes (w/ credits).

JEDIT:

Also, Darth Raditz had a really cool idea. Perhaps Anakin seeing Qui-Gon stand behind Obi-Wan COULD work. His points and justification of it (on the previous page) is very impressive. Let me think about it and perhaps play around with it.

I’m going to re-watch the episode again soon before I put the final clues of the puzzle together, but here are my short thoughts:

• The scene with Vader and Anakin and Obi-Wan and Leia made me ten years again and made me weep. I’m not going to lie. Thank you to Disney for a beautiful ending, although far from an overall beautiful presentation of Obi-Wan’s story.

• The music delivered some beautiful moments this episode, both original and new score.

• The Reeva stuff can either be removed or I have great ideas for how to re-structure it that I think will flow better (in short, the Reeva stuff only starts to unfold AFTER the Vader fight).

• Scenes that MUST be kept: All Obi-Wan and Leia scenes. All Of the duel with Vader. Luke, Owen and Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

So, here’s the only rub:

1. We can remove Reeva, let her faith be undecided with her laying on the ground, and sacrifice some of the “depth” to the Owen and ObI-Wan scene. Make it be more about “ObI-Wan sees Owen for what he is and that he, as his more or less father now, should decide the faith of the boy”. Major problem: probably continuity and canon.

2. We can keep Reeva, re-structure it as I suggested above, remove some cringe and let Reeva end her story as she does in the show. Major problem: fans generally dislike and/or were disinterested in her character, and it might put the enjoyment factor a little lower for most people.

However, as we continue to debate this - remember that in the edit and film, Reeva and The Inquisitor cringe and overall screen time is a lot less present and important to the overarching story, so the “Reeva overdose” most people are feeling might not present itself much of an issue when watching the toned-down film version of that character arc.

Those were my quick ramblings on the iPhone having JUST watched the episode. See you soon, lads and gals!

I’ll do some replies and fanediting later on tonight when today’s must-do’s are done and dusted.

I wasn’t going to release this before done since it’s rough, but since we came onto the topic and I promised to show it, well - there you go. Here it is. Definitely not finished and there are a bunch of mixes between self-made visual changes and existing footage + placement holders (the laser hitting the planet etc) but it shows you what I’m going for. Color grading is far from done as well + the planet destruction view from inside the Death Star is ugly.

https://streamable.com/3qbgh9

The laser hitting the planet is a placeholder, as I just added some Alderaan buildings to Rogue One Scarif footage for concept.

None of this might end up in the final edit, so we’ll see.

idir_hh said:

For the love of God can we get rid of that epilepsy inducing Storm trooper battle in the fifth episode.

Some of it are gone, mostly bits in which Stormtroopers blatantly misses the easiest shots in the world and a scene with Obi-Wan saving a woman (who now dies) WITHOUT using his saber and the troopers missing.

Interesting video. I actually did some alterations to the Alderaan scene already. I can show you guys when i get back home tomorrow morning. 😃

Thank you for your ideas and feedback, guys. Greatly appreciated. The edit has been shaped even further these last hours, and I’m now ready for episode 6 to hit us. The pace and overall tone of the film feels very true to Star Wars as of right now.

Also, some of you might be happy to hear I’ve spread some Star Wars fades around the film 😉

croissant_lion said:

leftshoe18 said:

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

I’d love to see the AOTC flashback portrayed as Obi-Wan’s dream in the beginning, instead of the re-used footage from the three prequel films. Flashbacks in the fifth episode (and I’d argue that flashbacks being used at all) are wholly unnecessary, and to me breaks the flow of the story.

Obi-Wan’s dream sequence seems to be an excuse to use more footage from the prequels (filler footage). It even shows Anakin in situations that Obi-Wan wasn’t even physically present for (namely young Anakin in the Naboo Starfighter).
You wouldn’t even need to use the entire AOTC flashback as a dream sequence, you’d need just enough footage to illustrate Anakin’s anger and need for victory.

I like this because it also presents it as Obi-Wan reflecting on his training of Anakin. Like he’s fixated on finding the flaws in his approach that led to his fall.

Those flashbacks are essential to the Jabiim section of the present day plot, for better and for worse (mostly for better). Delete those flashbacks and what are we left with on Jabiim - a very Made-for-Television Star Wars battle plus the Reva stuff. Those flashbacks add to Obi-Wan and Vader’s rivalry on Jabiim and create a much needed narrative anticipation/build-up to their present day showdown in Part 6.

Very, very true and fully agree. The flashbacks are not and will not be removed. They add depth, character and some sort of emotional resonance as a backdrop to the entire episode.

Today I rewatched Parts 3 & 5 back to back because I was skeptical about deleting Part 4 from the plot, but now I’ve seen it’s actually a significant improvement. Vader now appears relentless about hunting Obi-Wan since he doesn’t inexplicably disappear for almost an entire episode.

True. Although, in the edit he let’s Obi-Wan go as he does not want to defeat a version of Obi-Wan that is utterly broken. It still feels natural to the flow of the film tho, as Obi-Wan is finding himself whilst defending the people of Jabiim.

There’s a lot more desperation and tension in Obi-Wan’s speech about being unable to fight the Empire head-on, because we just saw his ass get kicked 15 minutes earlier. The anguish in Ewan’s performance when Tala dies is more palpable because he hasn’t had any victory since Mapuzo: it’s just been loss after loss for him. The Empire comes off as stronger and unstoppable as well without the fortress hijinks.

Interesting point, and true. Great reflection there.

Update

This showcase does NOT show the scores already settled on (like the ones linked to in the first post of this thread; Vader reveal, Anakin being put together piece by piece etc). Not all score alterations have been shown, as some I just utterly have made my mind up on and are not big or epic or utterly important in scale.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/721771812 (pw: fanedit)

Note that some of these scenes need (more) SFX replaced, as to not have scores bleed into one another. Some scenes are finished, and some are not. I do not want to continue work on the scoring before I’ve heard some opinions.

There are two scenes that will probably have their scores omitted - but i had to test them to see if they are liked; one is the scene with Tala dying (the “epic” Across the Stars part) and the other the last musical part of The Force Theme after the Anakin&Obi-Wan duel flashback.

Hello, Hal, my friend. I just wanted to tune in and say that your AOTC and ROTS edits are my go-to now that I started watching the prequels again (with my son). I wanted him to experience the films like they should be (removing cringeworthy, canon-breaking or insulting moments).

However, my one gripe - besides maybe keeping Padme alive because of all the issues it will most likely present in the future (although i personally like this approach) - is that your edits have their own names, omitting the original film titles. Although this isn’t an issue for me, I realized that it took some enjoyment out of my son’s overall impression of the edit - and although i didn’t ask him why (as I later started thinking about it) - I suspect it was because of his knowledge of the film’s titles and that that is how his friends refer to them. Simply put; it doesn’t create an issue, but it can be off-putting for the mind of the young.

So, in that regard, is this something you have ever thought about and if so, would it be an alternative for you to create a new crawl with the original title names so that editors like myself can re-render your edit and present it with the film’s original title?

I’d certainly appreciate it 😃

Sorry for missing your post the first time, Sirius:

Sirius said:

Anjohan, I have an idea about solving the problem of Reva putting the tracker in Lola, in the case of you cutting episode 4. It isn’t a perfect solution, but maybe it can work. You can switch the scenes of Vect Nokru with Leia in Daiyu by the scene of Reva interrogating her in Nur […]

Your idea is not a bad one at all. I actually edited together a beta version with something similiar, in which I took the scene where Reeva is holding Lola in her hands and Leia is sitting at the table opposite her as a scene between them after she is kidnapped in Ep 1. However, I realized two things;

1. The scene isn’t necessary as sometimes less is more
   and 2) someone made the great point that the tracker subplot is often used as a line in Star Wars, and that it needs no explanation

What I did do however, is keep the scene with Reeva finding the secret tunnel passage - so that the viewers can imply that this is how she managed to put a tracker on the ship, in secret.

croissant_lion said:

I’ll argue against the inclusion. If the entire sequence as a whole is shown at the beginning, then the Ep5 flashbacks feel mostly redundant because the viewer already saw that sequence in its totality. If the film already establishes that Obi-Wan and Anakin were friends and that Anakin is aggressive early on, why show it all over again but cut up?
[…] more in post up above […]

You make excellent points in your post. Your idea of showing a small tidbit of it in the opening and nothing less is quite good, and I think this will be the way I approach it.

revel911 said:

I think the best time to show is when Reva first says Anakin’s name in episode 2.

Also, can you make the stormtroopers less dumb from episode 5?

I think I will approach it the way croissant suggested (although the inclusion of the flashback in EP 2 cliffhanger is not a bad idea). Also, I keep the Anakin reveal ambigious in my edit - it is up to the audience to interpret if he knew he was alive or not.

Less dumb? But I just finished rotoscoping clown masks on the lot of them…

I have removed a few seconds of Stormtroopers missing like fifty shots in the hallway, and I kept one character that got shot and that Obi-Wan then later saves (WITHOUT using his saber !?!?!?!) in the bin - meaning I kept her dead and cut Obi-Wan saving her without his saber.

Tizzeres said:

Yes, I was thinking either what you suggested or everything being remade (different cast, new audio, etc). I think I would prefer to see what you had in mind. Hopefully one day there will be a second special edition as well as a theatrical edition, with no changes.

As a “Prequel Kid” who grew up with them (and I literally never watched Star Wars anymore before my son grew an interest) I would love to watch a Remake of the OT some time. But it will guranteed never happen - at least not without the blessing of George Lucas himself. What a way to piss on his work (although, they kinda already did with the Sequels).

Nevertheless, If i can make A New Hope feel like a modernized adventure for all viewers and lovers of the Prequel and OT trilogies, it will certainly fulfill me when I binge Prequels and OT chronologically.

Update:

Also, can we all just admire ArtIsDead (fanedit.org) for making this beautiful cover art for my edit:

vranir said:

I think early on would be good, especially as I expect that there will be no prequel recap at the start of your film.

Happy to hear your opinion. I will upload the Recap as seperate file in the Google Drive folder of the edit. This way people can show it to their friends/families before watching the edit, as a reminder.

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

Peonthegrate said:

Anjohan said:

Vader Returns - Piano Theme (the frontrunner for the scene as of right now)

https://streamable.com/vwhsix

Out of Curiosity, where did you find this Piano Theme? I like it very much and have been unable to find it online anywhere.

PM sent. Remember to ask the creator for permission if you wish to use it in your edit. You don’t legally have to as he has not copyrighted his work, but it sure would be good manners.

CMMAP said:

Anjohan said:

https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)

https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)

I think you did all the right choices here. The battle with this music feels like star wars 😃

Happy to hear that. I will soon do a showcase of the all the rescores made for the film. The goal is to slowly build the perfect mix of original and past soundtrack, before going more OT score near the end of the film - to give the story a progress of a developing, musical continuity from the Prequels to the OT.

szopman said:

Just out of curiosity, are you going to leave that cool cameo of Temuera Morrison in your movie edit? 😉

Oh yes. It’s in there. It’s a beautiful scene.

https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)

https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.

I 100% agree; maintaining the emotional component of Obi-Wan’s character arc in this series is vital to the show. He is much more of an interesting character that the audience can get emotionally invested in, knowing that he has gone through trauma and is now regaining his composure and focus in life.

Exactly. Removing the depressive nature of his trauma because it makes your favourite character “depressive”, is - imho - totally missing the point, as there can often be no trauma without anxiety and depression. That being said, trimming down what might feel like out-of-character lines or behaviour is understandable.