I was wondering if perhaps the emotional climax of Obi-Wan and Leia’s reunion at Alderaan would have an even bigger impact if Obi-Wan leaves her on the ship when she’s upset that he is to leave and runs off?

And then I also think that Leia sneaking Lola into his pocket would be even more emotional based on that change as well, as it tells us as the audience that even if she’s upset with Obi-Wan abandoning her on the ship, she still understands and wants him to remember her and feel safe.

It shows great character imo, and it leaves us as the audience feeling unresolved up until they reunite on Alderaan.

JEDIT:

Only issue is that she holds Lola in her hand as she’s upset and runs off. I could crop the footage to keep her out tho’. Can’t rotoscope it without wasting one year of my life.

Sirius said:

Well, it’s stylistically designed to be that way and you can’t undo that. But we can diminish the effects of it.

Personally, for me, the show just gone too far in a few places.

Reeva is the key to all this.

vranir said:

I like it. Why do we have a second shot of the rat back out in the street after ObiWan goes through the door?

I just added it for some more atmosphere and buildup since i didnt use the initial closeup. You dont like it?

https://streamable.com/l5beka

Exposition redesign as suggested by Vranir, and alterations to the overall soundmix.

revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

NellsRelo said:

Anjohan said:

So, I read all your brilliant feedback and decided to do another crack at the rescue entry:

https://streamable.com/psv9u3

(I’ll do some more recomposing on Leia now - glad to hear it’s very close to fully working for most)

This is fantastic, it feels much less jarring, and the sense of movement imo helps sell Haja a bit better, since we don’t get the resolution to him considering betraying Obi-Wan with this cut. Spacing out the dialogue slightly through the establishing shots, like you’ve done here, mitigates the untrustworthiness in his delivery when Obi-Wan has him at blaster-point

Cheers, brother. This is how I feel as well. I’ll make the voiceover start a tad quicker tho as suggested above.

vranir said:

Maybe make the voiceover start earlier during the new shots. That will reduce the weirdness of the headset being used underwater.

Also consider cutting the line right afterwards about taking a short break. What kind of support takes a break during the middle of the dangerous operation?

Haja.

Hehe. Good suggestion.

revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

So, I read all your brilliant feedback and decided to do another crack at the rescue entry:

https://streamable.com/psv9u3

(I’ll do some more recomposing on Leia now - glad to hear it’s very close to fully working for most)

Sorry we keep sticking on this one scene. 1. Love the elevator up front and the inclusion of command center screen. 2. I think I like the other elevator better, feels less “sci-if”. Did you try it recolored and in reverse? (It’s not bad, just missing that Star Wars “grit”)

I did try it, but 1: the shot is way too low res - and 2: it looks too fake imo.

If I could get a better quality version to work with, then perhaps!

Can you send me the link? I will throw through an upscaler to see what happens.

PM sent.

NellsRelo said:

Anjohan said:

So, I read all your brilliant feedback and decided to do another crack at the rescue entry:

https://streamable.com/psv9u3

(I’ll do some more recomposing on Leia now - glad to hear it’s very close to fully working for most)

This is fantastic, it feels much less jarring, and the sense of movement imo helps sell Haja a bit better, since we don’t get the resolution to him considering betraying Obi-Wan with this cut. Spacing out the dialogue slightly through the establishing shots, like you’ve done here, mitigates the untrustworthiness in his delivery when Obi-Wan has him at blaster-point

Cheers, brother. This is how I feel as well. I’ll make the voiceover start a tad quicker tho as suggested above.

vranir said:

Maybe make the voiceover start earlier during the new shots. That will reduce the weirdness of the headset being used underwater.

Also consider cutting the line right afterwards about taking a short break. What kind of support takes a break during the middle of the dangerous operation?

Haja.

Hehe. Good suggestion.

revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

So, I read all your brilliant feedback and decided to do another crack at the rescue entry:

https://streamable.com/psv9u3

(I’ll do some more recomposing on Leia now - glad to hear it’s very close to fully working for most)

Sorry we keep sticking on this one scene. 1. Love the elevator up front and the inclusion of command center screen. 2. I think I like the other elevator better, feels less “sci-if”. Did you try it recolored and in reverse? (It’s not bad, just missing that Star Wars “grit”)

I did try it, but 1: the shot is way too low res - and 2: it looks too fake imo.

If I could get a better quality version to work with, then perhaps!

MandThUlti said:

I feel like the new scaling of leia in that escape looks much better and more believable. Great work! Can’t wait to check out a full cut of this! Also, glad you made a recovery from cancer. My mom is also a cancer survivor so I know how emotional things can get. God bless!

Thank you for that, my friend. I am happy for you, your family and your mother. ❤️ God bless.

So, I read all your brilliant feedback and decided to do another crack at the rescue entry:

https://streamable.com/psv9u3

(I’ll do some more recomposing on Leia now - glad to hear it’s very close to fully working for most)

Escape - Leia - New Test

https://streamable.com/hbebaz

Kaweebo said:

Anjohan said:

Thank you so much for that. No one should have to fight such a disease.

It was in 2010, treatment ended in 2012. So it’s some time ago now (and thank god - which I do - for that).

I wish your father good health and a speedy recovery. Don’t ever for one second think that cancer = death. That’s not the case at all - no matter the odds, and I bet your father is gonna beat the shit out of that fucker one way or the other. Stay in there, Omni, and don’t let a day pass without love and possibly even a few laughs if possible. And don’t ever forget to talk about the tough feelings.

Life is about family, love and good health - without those we fight an uphill battle for the rest of our life’s.

Stay strong! Lots of love and positive vibes to you and your father!

Pretty sure I read somewhere that if it’s been over ten years since last relapse, the chances of cancer returning drop to like nothing.

That’s correct. And certain types it’s even less.

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Anjohan said:

BrotherOfSasquatch, that’s totally okay. I see where you’re coming from, and I hope you will enjoy it (or learn to like it) in the spirit of what the edit aims to do and how the film will leave you feeling after the full experience.

Oh, yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still very much excited for this edit! Also, I never took into affect the real life implications of how PTSD is when it comes to this opening. I’ll have to keep that in mind when I watch the final cut.

Happy to hear that! I’m glad for your honesty either way. You have contributed a great deal by always challenging me. 😃

Hadrian sunrider said:

I have two questions

1. I really hope you keep the part where Kenobi tells Leia about her parents

2. And will you be killing reva on jabiim? The best editing choice I have heard is having Vader kill her in jabiim

1. I do.
2. Yes, more of less. I leave it vague if she survives or not, but we leave her stabbed and assumed dead on Jabiim.

Thank you.

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

Video Update - The Full Escape [Beta ? ]

https://streamable.com/afhtpd

-> (Re-)Added Intercom Dialogue with Haja, and some new dialogue to create some character growth and motivation.
-> Added shadows and enviorement interaction to and from door, in the escape part (at the end).
-> a lot more.

This is great! It sells the idea that the rescue takes place all on the one planet.

Thank you, brother. Happy to hear that! Mission accomplished. Last piece of the puzzle is having Leia walk with Obi-Wan completed. Posted a new test up above.

Phase3 said:

Anjohan:
I’m not sure if this has been talked about before - I’ve not seen it mentioned yet (not that I remember!): the Disney Lightsabers make a few sparks when they hit each other, as opposed to the brief white flashes seen in the original Star Wars movies.
Is this something that can be corrected, so that the Lightsabers match what is seen throughout Episodes I-VI?

It can probably be fixed in certain areas, although not all. If to remove all, I’d literally have to start remaking sabers and backgrounds every time they bleed into something complicated. Not worth the effort imo.

However, you raise a good point. I could remove some perhaps, to “even it out”. They look realistic and cool tho, unlike the new sabers from Toys’R us.

Thank you so much for that. No one should have to fight such a disease.

It was in 2010, treatment ended in 2012. So it’s some time ago now (and thank god - which I do - for that).

I wish your father good health and a speedy recovery. Don’t ever for one second think that cancer = death. That’s not the case at all - no matter the odds, and I bet your father is gonna beat the shit out of that fucker one way or the other. Stay in there, Omni, and don’t let a day pass without love and possibly even a few laughs if possible. And don’t ever forget to talk about the tough feelings.

Life is about family, love and good health - without those we fight an uphill battle for the rest of our life’s.

Stay strong! Lots of love and positive vibes to you and your father!

That’s fine. It’s a beautiful opening, but it does break a certain amount of tonal and audio centric continuity and a promise when compared to the remaining film (even tho the tone and pace of the film itself is something darker).

I feel like the low, somber musical tones and a tad slower pace help build that continuity and promise.

The opening of a film should always be a taste and a promise of what’s to come imo, and with the “original” opening I promise a very different, dark film. That’s why I had to do my own version. The film is dark, but it’s not a solo character drama in a universe that’s more like a Dark Drama than the adventurous Star Wars.

But hey! He’s making his own edit, so there will be a beautiful dark, character drama down the line. And perhaps it’s a good thing our edits starts different, although similar. 😃

BrotherOfSasquatch, that’s totally okay. I see where you’re coming from, and I hope you will enjoy it (or learn to like it) in the spirit of what the edit aims to do and how the film will leave you feeling after the full experience.

As a former cancer patient and now a survivor, PTSD often feels liked a rushed, chaotic experience with a sense of dread and sorrow, and sometimes even a dark comedy you just have to chuckle at, so I feel the opening sets that tone very well. At least I hope it comes across that way to others.

Thank you for your honest opinion.

Thanks, lads and gals. Greatly appreciated. Thank you for your continuing support and love.

I’ve read all your posts. I’ll edit more tomorrow when my tinnitus (just been at a concert) calms down. I can hardly hear the sound of my own footsteps. lol.

And suggested alterations will be looked into and altered. Cheers.

As a fellow BB/BCS fan and a fan OF their visual storytelling, I’m looking forward to Watch you craft dark, character drama.

It will be a very different and beautiful version of the show no doubt, and I’m looking forward to one day watching it.

Best of luck, brother.

You’re right. It’s not done. The logo was scrambled together so you could see the opening in its entirety. It’ll look good upon release.

arosa1091 said:

Anjohan said:

Opening

So, NFBisms made one hell of a opening in the spirit of what I think most of us expected the tone of Kenobi to be, and people really wanted to see it in this edit when it dropped. Me and NFBisms talked about it (page 16 or something) and I really wanted to use it, but parts of it broke with the promised tone of the rest of my edit (mostly the complete lack of music and too rapid of a pace).

So, what I did was that I re-made the opening in the spirit of NFBisms’s opening, and completely stole his first 90 seconds (because it marvelously sets the tone) and some tidbits throughout. Then the soundtrack slowly gets introduced (only the real somber tones) as we build up to a kind of PTSD-climax.

https://streamable.com/fujjec

Incredible work, so far – both to you as well as to everyone who has chimed-in with so many great ideas. This new WIP with its superb editing, just had me teary-eyed! It captures the monotony/intensity dynamic of PTSD well. I take it you’ve been, “doing your homework.” 💯👍🏼🔥

Thank you, and thanks to the community. The back and forth og ideas and feedback is crafting good things.

Thank you. Hehe, yes (if you know you know).

vranir said:

I really like this, including the music. That said, the pre-title part is incredibly short, as is the title itself. I’d consider putting the title after the entire video shown here, as well as providing a little bit longer establishing shots to start out and transitioning to the Lars farm stuff watching after the first set of flashbacks.

True. I’ll prolong the title.

Hmm, I kind of like the pace of that sequence, but I’ll look into perhaps adding an establishing shot.

Opening

So, NFBisms made one hell of a opening in the spirit of what I think most of us expected the tone of Kenobi to be, and people really wanted to see it in this edit when it dropped. Me and NFBisms talked about it (page 16 or something) and I really wanted to use it, but parts of it broke with the promised tone of the rest of my edit (mostly the complete lack of music and too rapid of a pace).

So, what I did was that I re-made the opening in the spirit of NFBisms’s opening, and completely stole his first 90 seconds (because it marvelously sets the tone) and some tidbits throughout. Then the soundtrack slowly gets introduced (only the real somber tones) as we build up to a kind of PTSD-climax.

https://streamable.com/fujjec

MandThUlti said:

Anjohan said:

Video Update - The Full Escape [Beta ? ]

https://streamable.com/afhtpd

-> (Re-)Added Intercom Dialogue with Haja, and some new dialogue to create some character growth and motivation.
-> Added shadows and enviorement interaction to and from door, in the escape part (at the end).
-> a lot more.

You did a superb job with this! Truly impressed! Adding Leia to the scenes and the transitions feel very natural. One point I’d like to say is that after he enters the structure from the water and disposes that first trooper. I feel like he needs to hide earlier from the two patrolling troopers. There’s a split second where the scene is empty. Maybe elongate the time before the troopers enter the scene.

Funny you should say that, because I already have. Not even joking. Prolonged it with 1 second as requested by someone on page 16/17. I can prolong it even further.

Thank you for the compliment and support.

And yes, I will smooth and enhance little Leia more tomorrow. I have read your feedbacks and suggestions.

^ That one cost money. Found one tho’ (thanks to you). This took me an agonizing 90 minutes. Here you go:

https://streamable.com/0zvxe2

-> Added some (fake) shadows as she walks
-> Added some (fake) light as she walks
-> and my favorite thing in life; rotoscoping (yeah, that was a joke)

My brain is too used to it now to evaluate the overall impression, but I’d say it works as long as I desaturate her a little bit more (she looks very red, but it’s mostly the compression - looks fine in HD) and you you don’t stare at it like it’s the center of attention (which we now do).

Come with ideas on how to possibly improve, if it does not work for any of you.

Video Update - The Full Escape [Beta ? ]

https://streamable.com/afhtpd

-> (Re-)Added Intercom Dialogue with Haja, and some new dialogue to create some character growth and motivation.
-> Added shadows and enviorement interaction to and from door, in the escape part (at the end).
-> a lot more.

revel911 said:

Anjohan said:

Yes, it’s supposed to be dialogue carried over from the previous dialogue scene as it does in the original. It is not supposed to be intercom here.

I’m decent in After Effects, but I don’t have the program on this laptop unfortunately, so my effects work is limited. However, I do use Unreal Engine and would perhaps be able to create VFX from there. How so?

A shadow on the door is a good idea. Footage definitely not done, so this is the type of suggestions I need.

We did intercom underwater in one of the previous clips (it’s quoted up above or previous page somewhere) but two or three thought it would be stupid or broke the flow of Haja communicating with him underwater. I was not one of them though, and could definitely re-do it as intercom dialogue.

General

Also, yes, I can and will add more character flashbacks when Obi-Wan is trapped underneath all the rubble. I’ll also update the first post with fresh video links for those who have missed out.

Do you think it’s possible to add top of Leia’s head next to Obi walking?

As to the intercom, I think it may work now with the longer time between seeing Haja and the water

Good that you should ask. I wanted to do this, but there is no footage of Leia in a hoodie walking alone with the camera behind her. If i do find that (need to look through all the film’s footage) I’ll definitely add Leia troddling behind him.

Agreed. Rendering the Full Escape this time, with new changes.

GLogus said:

This is all coming together really nicely. It’s amazing what one guy can do that a multi-billion dollar corporation can’t.

Well, thank you for that, man, appreciated. Wouldn’t stand the chance without the brilliant suggestions, contributions and support from you guys tho. This is a shared effort by far.

thevarsek said:

Anjohan said:

https://streamable.com/or8vtn

Too much to bother to list what I’ve done. Tell me if we’re getting near something or not.

Not finished product.

#Jedit: Uploaded right one.

I like it, I understand it’s not finished but I can definitely see with the finishing touches how it’ll flow and I think works great!

Quick question: from a post above you were mentioning that you could be looking at lowering the music a bit in the mix and raise it as the movie goes. What were you thinking of using for that?

I’m a mixing engineer, and the only thing I can think of that would help is running through Dialogue Isolate from iZotope - not sure if you were thinking of other techniques?

I can’t do quick turnarounds, but can do some work during weekends in case you need some dialogue isolated or something else cleaned/fixed 😃

I will simply remake the soundmix for necessary scenes. It’s within my abilities and I’m good at it having done many new soundmixes for my Game of Thrones film edits for example, but it’s very, very time consuming.

I have never heard about this dialogue isolation tool tho’. Is it free? And does it remove music in its entirety? If so… neat.

Ice said:

How’s this idea?

In the beginning of the film when Obi-Wan decides to give Luke the toy, we cut in the last part of the series where Obi-Wan approaches Luke and says “Hello there!”. We then hear Owen’s voice “I thought I told you to leave us” etc and cut to a suitable shot of Owen at the homestead. “Walk with me”, then wipe to the “He must be trained/Like you trained his father” scene (perhaps change background to suggest they are still somewhere else on the farm). We don’t see the toy being returned, so it’s implied Luke still has it. Then obi-Wan continues his adventure, and we don’t see the Lars family again…

Until, at the very end after saying bye to the Organas at Alderaan, we cut back to Obi-Wan packing up his cave. He rides his animal… and we then see him check on the farm with binoculars (scene taken from first episode). He sees Luke playing pilot, implied to be because of the toy he got at the beginning. Obi-Wan then rides away and meets QGJ.

Thoughts?

This would of course means losing the “battle” of the Lars homestead entirely, but if Reva dies by Vader’s hand it’s ok anyway

Hmm, I like the idea to a certain degree. It is fitting to kind of end with Luke before all the Leia stuff happens, so that we can solely focus on here. But! The sad thing is that Obi-Wan’s mission is in its entirety all about protecting Luke - so the film starts with Luke, and ends with Luke, is symbollic and most likely the most fitting way for it to end.

thevarsek said:

Anjohan said:

Thank you, lads and gals. Once you seal the entrance I think it is easier to seal the exit (as far as believability goes), but if you seal both - then we’re definitely at a good place.

Video Update

Here’s the updated Entrance and Exit, with alterations suggested by you community members:

https://streamable.com/exojia

The idea here is to remove the underwater communication (as a few of you didn’t like), and to improve the character and motivation of Haja. So their dialogue continues as we transition to Obi-Wan following Haja’s instructions, down and into the sewers/underwater.

Here’s the updated Escape, with a new door and a few tweaks (door needs to be adjusted and probably a little slower):

https://streamable.com/waa16m

#Jedit: I’ll respond to posts up above soon. Need a break.

The only thing I’d say is on the exit the trumpet stab coming in twice sounds odd to me - but I’m not sure everyone would notice. I’d remove the second one between the two (unsure if you have it available to remove, if not it could be tried by targeting the trumpets in the spectrum as it’s a sustained note, so easier to identify. Not sure what would be left though - again if you want to send over the audio part I can give it a stab)

Which trumpet stab? Could you pinpoint the exact time? I’m confused. I’ll look into it when I know what you mean.

scottkin said:

Question, when will this be released?

Can be within 3 days, 10 days or 20 days. It all depends on how good the final product becomes before I feel confident in releasing it.

MandThUlti said:

I feel like https://streamable.com/ngan0x is vastly superior to the mud that the writers made us trek through in the show. Well done! The only small off-putting thing in the episode is how the lightsabers didnt feel like lightsabers and felt like rods instead of plasma/lasers.

Thank you for that.

I do agree that the sabers have some issues, but it’s one of those things that starts working when you’re used to. I do think about tho, from time to time, if I will bother to re-do all the lightsabers. But that would have to be for a V2!

MandThUlti said:

Phase3 said:

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

This is really great!
Anjohan: I hope that you use this in your edit! 😉

I second this, its really good.

Yes, it’s very, very good. We’ve talked about on the previous page. I suggest you read my response there. Thank you ❤️

DZ-330 said:

Ice said:

How’s this idea?

In the beginning of the film when Obi-Wan decides to give Luke the toy, we cut in the last part of the series where Obi-Wan approaches Luke and says “Hello there!”…

We then cut to the “Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” title card 😂

Hehe!

Yes, it’s supposed to be dialogue carried over from the previous dialogue scene as it does in the original. It is not supposed to be intercom here.

I’m decent in After Effects, but I don’t have the program on this laptop unfortunately, so my effects work is limited. However, I do use Unreal Engine and would perhaps be able to create VFX from there. How so?

A shadow on the door is a good idea. Footage definitely not done, so this is the type of suggestions I need.

We did intercom underwater in one of the previous clips (it’s quoted up above or previous page somewhere) but two or three thought it would be stupid or broke the flow of Haja communicating with him underwater. I was not one of them though, and could definitely re-do it as intercom dialogue.

General

Also, yes, I can and will add more character flashbacks when Obi-Wan is trapped underneath all the rubble. I’ll also update the first post with fresh video links for those who have missed out.

Thank you, lads and gals. Once you seal the entrance I think it is easier to seal the exit (as far as believability goes), but if you seal both - then we’re definitely at a good place.

Video Update

Here’s the updated Entrance and Exit, with alterations suggested by you community members:

https://streamable.com/exojia

The idea here is to remove the underwater communication (as a few of you didn’t like), and to improve the character and motivation of Haja. So their dialogue continues as we transition to Obi-Wan following Haja’s instructions, down and into the sewers/underwater.

Here’s the updated Escape, with a new door and a few tweaks (door needs to be adjusted and probably a little slower):

https://streamable.com/waa16m

#Jedit: I’ll respond to posts up above soon. Need a break.

https://streamable.com/or8vtn

Too much to bother to list what I’ve done. Tell me if we’re getting near something or not.

Not finished product.

#Jedit: Uploaded right one.

Yes, no crawl to keep with continuity for Story films. That being said! Someone creates a badass crawl, and I will upload one with for crawl-lovers. That’d be neat.
I didn’t buy a Unreal Engine 5-supported gaming laptop to render bird videos. 😉

Opening shot is on tattooine. Not order 66.

Also, here’s the projects wonderful posters made by none other than ArtisDead. This guy’s on another level. To not cludder the thread with too many pictures, I’ll leave my favorite and link to the rest:

https://forums.fanedit.org/attachments/andob2b-jpg.2007/

https://forums.fanedit.org/attachments/andob5b-jpg.2009/

https://forums.fanedit.org/attachments/andob4b-jpg.2010/