I think early on would be good, especially as I expect that there will be no prequel recap at the start of your film.
Happy to hear your opinion. I will upload the Recap as seperate file in the Google Drive folder of the edit. This way people can show it to their friends/families before watching the edit, as a reminder.
Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?
The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.
The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.
Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.
Vader Returns - Piano Theme (the frontrunner for the scene as of right now)
Out of Curiosity, where did you find this Piano Theme? I like it very much and have been unable to find it online anywhere.
PM sent. Remember to ask the creator for permission if you wish to use it in your edit. You don’t legally have to as he has not copyrighted his work, but it sure would be good manners.
https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)
https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)
I think you did all the right choices here. The battle with this music feels like star wars 😃
Happy to hear that. I will soon do a showcase of the all the rescores made for the film. The goal is to slowly build the perfect mix of original and past soundtrack, before going more OT score near the end of the film - to give the story a progress of a developing, musical continuity from the Prequels to the OT.
Just out of curiosity, are you going to leave that cool cameo of Temuera Morrison in your movie edit? 😉
Oh yes. It’s in there. It’s a beautiful scene.
https://streamable.com/otm6f2 (something more with soul and first time we see Obi-Wan properly use his saber again; feel-good)
https://streamable.com/vsc492 (emotional AOTC connection -> upbeat feeling -> darkness takes over, shots will be deepfaked before release)
And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.
I 100% agree; maintaining the emotional component of Obi-Wan’s character arc in this series is vital to the show. He is much more of an interesting character that the audience can get emotionally invested in, knowing that he has gone through trauma and is now regaining his composure and focus in life.
Exactly. Removing the depressive nature of his trauma because it makes your favourite character “depressive”, is - imho - totally missing the point, as there can often be no trauma without anxiety and depression. That being said, trimming down what might feel like out-of-character lines or behaviour is understandable.
For me, I hate that Obi Wan was that far gone to begin with. Buried his lightsabers to avoid detection, and a bit rusty, but that shot of him barely able to move that tool on on the ship was too much. My edit doesn’t make him quite as pathetic. Facing full powered Vader when you are rusty would be frightening under any circumstance. In my mind he doesn’t need too much to bring him back.
Agree with Revel, never want to see episode 4 again other than bacta scene and Leia taking his hand.
100% agree. Even if you think episode 4 is necessary for the “arc” of getting back to how he was, it still doesn’t do a good job of that and makes it seem really rushed. Better to just leave the idea out. There are reasons why he wouldn’t be prepared to face Vader anyway because of guilt and fear.
Not an abundance in the series is warranted as doing a “good job”, so we have to work with what we got. I do see your point and It’s totally fair that you disliked Episode 4. Episode 4 is and will not be a part of the timeline of this edit for pacing reasons now having done new edits, unless as a seperate “Extended Cut” upon (or after) release.
There are already some attempts at de-aging Anakin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhPmdlUuwOI
Yes, thank you. There are quite a lot on the web right now. I’ll probably stick with whatever best incarnation we get, unless the GOAT himself (you all know who) does a deepfake before the edit’s release.
- Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.
That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…
Cheers.
Oh my, don’t traumatize me.
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If its not i can only hope its nothing lore breaking like her kidnaping Luke or something dumb like that.
Or Leia kidnapping Reeva as the ultimate twist of the century.
- Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.
That is a great idea! the perfect fix. kinda stunned that I didnt think of that lol. Im really afraid that the end will be sequel bait, and im even more afraid that Reva will be getting her own show…
Cheers.
Oh my, don’t traumatize me.
Strong opinions.
And of course things can be edited around, but I find Obi-Wan to be a more interesting character with all this baggage (regardless of copy-paste Luke TLJ storyline and some trimmed moments from ep 1 with Organa) than someone who goes straight back to Badass after meeting Vader and two minutes in a bacta tank. In fact, even though he starts out as TLJ Luke, his character arc is way more fitting to the losses he has endured and his growth in the series far more rewarding than TLJ Luke ever came near to. And with that in mind, diminishing the importance of a redemption arc done well because of the failures of another film should NOT make Obi-Wan - as it’s own thing - sacrifice a working series component because of the mirrored arc with a character arc that did absolutely and utterly NOT work. And I’d debate anyone that I’d rather watch episode 4 WITH the cringe ten times unpaid than watching The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker one time with payment.
Either way, this debate was good to have. The episode has its meaning beyond just filler imo and that was a point that had to be made. I have no idea if the episode will have its place when the edit is said and done as the current main timeline is only up to ep 3 until further editing commences (my flu fkn calms down) and a separate cut was made up to ep 4 with good, fatty trims (which hell, might become a separate cut for ep 4 admirers) so who knows.
The main priorities now is to make the ep 5 content bridge well in tone and pace of the rest of the project, and improve the series’s score. I don’t think I’ve heard a good soundtrack since the ten seconds of the Ep 3 planet introduction, and what I thought would be one of the easiest fanedis I’ve done in years is actually turning out to be another beast entirely because of this and the rollercoaster of good and bad storylines and the execution therein.
Remember, original Star Wars was only 2 hours, so no ep 4 and 6 would still make plenty of a movie.
Sure, but there are certain problems with omitting Episode 4.
Episode 4 is actually a pay off to Obi-Wan’s entire character arc, as it is the episode where he overcomes his fear, shock and doubts to save something more important than himself - and therefore, also overcome his fear of what Anakin has become because of his new meaning and purpose.
Brilliant resources, Sirius. Thank you. 😉
If episode 6 is as dull and anti-climactic as I’m starting to fear, episode 5 might be a fitting (although underwhelming) ending.
If episode 6 only contain about ten-twenty minutes of worthy content, there might be room for episode 4 in the edit after all.
As stated earlier, with a trimmed episode 4, the edit runs at a 1 hour and 50 minutes. I expect 20 minutes from episode 5, and 20-25 from episode 6. That would run well with a 2 and a half hour cut.
However! I would have to review it with all the pieces out together, and feel the pace of the whole thing. As of right now, episode 1 and 4 are the two most visually stunning episodes, and episode 3 and 4 the two episodes with the most character growth. Character growth (which is the emotion component) together with the pacing (which is the driving component) and how well those two complement each other will be the deciding factor for how this edit develops after episode 3, and definitely how the ending of the film finds itself resolved.
What if we voice dub Alec Guinness in that scene and make him completely and utterly verbally outclass Vader instead of the “Vader” line and “the duel”?
Something like:
“Hey, Anakin. I see your helmet is keeping your burned face from scaring away the imperial women”.
And then Vader goes straight for the kill, as Obi-Wan gives Luke a comfortable blink with the eye, before accepting his fate like a champ? All while Battle of the Heroes is roaring in the surround channels.
This project looks great. Hypothetical question - would you ever want a modern remake of these films, or instead a second special edition that includes all the new visual effects technologies?
Thank you.
In my book those two kinda go hand-in-hand. You could argue re-doing the special effects would be modernizing the film.
If to choose, a second special edition followed by my regrade and touch-up would be my preferable version. Reason is that re-doing the VFX would make them beautiful and modern, but next to the old audio compression and shifting color schemes and picture detail it would feel very off.
If Reeva isn’t in episode 6, her “waking up” to the communicator and Bail message may work as an after credits scene to preserve her character for those who wish to enjoy the 2nd season or Reeva show.
Interesting idea. Could definitely see doing that.
Great points made by everyone. Been thinking about the changes I will need to make. Sitting her with a fever and the flu I suspect is corona again, I can’t bother to sit down and edit right now, but:
Things I will change:
Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.
Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).
Reeva won’t get back up and crawl to the holo-communicator-thingy, we’ll leave her wounded, with the camera panning down to it. The rest can happen off-screen (for what I suspect to be the season 2 change rumored that Disney has done).
Leia “The Engineer” reaching the wires and then fixing it will happen without a five minute gap. It looks like she’s struggling to move away wires for way too long.
Removing some of the prolonged shots in which Stormtroopers have way too much time on their hands to actually kill civilians but just… don’t.
And probably more.
Love everything about this, I’ve felt the show to be average at best, although I have enjoyed it for the most part, but I know there are a lot shots and pieces of dialog that if taken out could really elevate the show
I am praying it lands well, because easily a C show that can turn into an A movie.
Agreed. I think when the worst is out, and excusing some bad CGI, it will go well side-by-side with the prequels and rogue one.
Well-made points. I’m going to edit accordingly to them as I commence further editing.
Any music suggestions are also welcome. The scene with Vader , the ship and then Reeva needs music. Tala’s death as well.
Battle of the heroes, duel of the fates are off the table mesa thinks.
- Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).
Why? A tracking device actually makes Vader letting Obiwan go even more likely.
I wonder if it’s easy to have it have Obi escape from Vader and remove the fire scene to only be tracked?
I am so excited to see better music in the movie version. The music is just so generic and that has surprised me (in a bad way.)
It does, but Lola being the tracker makes no sense in that case. And although we could remove Lola from EP 5, there is no way for the audience to understand how they tracked them, because:
A) No one talks about the tracker in ep5 (at least not without Reeva)
B) How did Reeva get the tracker on the ship? It could be implied that she did it when she follows Leia and Tala in the cave system in ep 3, but that also makes little to no sense
C) The hangar roof doors not opening plot line would have to be cut, which would reduce a lot of time, pace and plot
D) Tala’s screen time would be reduced to a mere 10 minutes, and her death would feel empty at best
Great points made by everyone. Been thinking about the changes I will need to make. Sitting her with a fever and the flu I suspect is corona again, I can’t bother to sit down and edit right now, but:
Things I will change:
Reeva attempting to kill Vader will be the thing to interrupt him from grabbing the second ship, so there are no inconsistencies to his actions to leave Vader looking silly or with a drained stamina bar.
Episode 4 might have to be included (as I struggle to find a believable way to have the ship be tracked) without episode 4. Episode 4 also builds heavily upon Tala’s character (which they killed too early you ask me).
Reeva won’t get back up and crawl to the holo-communicator-thingy, we’ll leave her wounded, with the camera panning down to it. The rest can happen off-screen (for what I suspect to be the season 2 change rumored that Disney has done).
Leia “The Engineer” reaching the wires and then fixing it will happen without a five minute gap. It looks like she’s struggling to move away wires for way too long.
Removing some of the prolonged shots in which Stormtroopers have way too much time on their hands to actually kill civilians but just… don’t.
And probably more.
Part IV has to be cut. Episode 5 was decent enough. Gotta trim stuff for sure. A lot of things looked like a B movie, and there were some deliveries that were off.
The flashback with Anakin will probably be included when he’s in the Bacta Tank. I’ll also have to take a look at deepfaking his face. Or perhaps someone on YouTube will do it for me/for us.
This was episode 5, and the narrative overall has been very underwhelming thus far. Although the episode on its own was okay, the pay-off for FOUR episodes of literally two plot lines is just… pathetic?
Thank you. I’m re-doing the entire opening «matte» with a mix of rotoscoping, a model and a beautiful ANH rendition of the opening matte painting from YT.
The original opening matte has its charm, but Tattooine and the moons look like dry painting. Also, the Tantive IV has a decent CGI model online that works when it’s further away from the camera.
Hyperspace (Rough Cut) as promised:
Don’t know if it works, but it would help flow Rogue One and ANH a lot better as far as continuity goes. Great idea by BedeHistory.
As for the SC38 cut, not bad at all 21C Peasant. I like what you’re going for, and I will definitely try to retain as much of the original footage as possible. However, the hallway growing exceptionally wide is still something that will need fixing.
The idea of the two ships coming out of Hyperspace as a continuation of Rogue One was a neat idea, so I threw something together that I am way to tired to know if works or not, but here it is - rough around the edges;
SC38 will be mixed in at the end of the film, BUT - with that being said - I will definitely have to do a lot of rotoscoping work because there are many flaws between that footage and the original film. The background lights change intensity and sometimes shades of white all over the place, and the corridor also looks to get bigger as we switch to the SC38 footage. But I’ll have to see when I start work on that.
Also, I will definitely have to deepfake Alec Guinness for two shots having watched the footage back (luckily im half-decent with Deepfakes).
Hi, Anjohan. I don’t know if your son already saw Rogue One, but lantern51 released an ANH edit that put the hallway scene of Vader in the beginning of the movie. It fits surprisingly well with ANH, and really make the movie feel more modern (it also can help into gather the attention of a younger audience). In his edit he included sc38 too, and it flowed really well with the rest of the film. If you have interest:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-New-Hope-Vader-edition-Released/id/67644
As for including the hallway scene of Rogue One, It would be an awesome introduction to the film, but:
a) it would kind of de-canonize Rogue One or make it’s impact in the story less impactful if I take footage from it (for example if people want to do the Kenobi Show and Rogue One before watching Modernized)
b) the following 50+ minutes of the film (A New Hope) could end up feeling tonally inconsistent, as they are much more slow-paced and the movie overall has little to no action - it’s more an adventure movie with the occasional short battle. Such an opening could give the wrong impression and sell the film as a sci-fi action flick, when it is more The Wizard of Oz in space.
The arguement for including it could be that the film continues right from the end of Rogue One, but I don’t know. Haven’t really thought much about that.
I apologize if I missed it, but Bingowings suggested in another thread that eliminating most if not all of episode 2 and three, and just have Obi-Wan going straight to the fortress corrects a lot of problems. Yes, it eliminates the Vader fight, but I guess he agrees with me in that it wasn’t very good. Just my opinion.
It was never meant to be a fight … where it succeeded was obi fearing Vader … I thought that was much better than how bad episode 4 was.
This is how I interpret it as well.
As for the removal of EP 2 and 3, that could actually work. Tala could be a character that Obi-Wan just knows, her first scene with him could be in the ship on their way to the Mustafar System with him testing his force powers.
However, this would have to be someone else’s fanedit as it becomes too radical for the purposes of this one; which is to tone down dumb stuff and increase pace, emotion and (musical) continuity.
Cheers Sirius and CMMAP.
I’ll look into removing that one shot when I get back to the computer!
PMs sent.
Ahhhh, this projects looks it has a bright future!
Loved the way you got motivated by your son to finally do it after 4 years! Would love to read his reaction after the movie is done!
The color grading and sound voices are pritty good from the samples you’ve shown!
Keep it up, Andreas! +1 motivation from me! ❤️
Thank you, antani, as always. I appreciate your feedback, old friend. ❤️
Sons motivate fathers, and fathers motivate sons!
I was also wondering, as a bridging thing if there’s some way to not have the film end on the celebration. It just feels odd and is a remnant of them not knowing of they’d get a sequel. The rebellion won a victory, but I feel like the party at the end shouldn’t be a medal ceremony but a memorial for the lost planet of Alderaan and the Rebel leader Bail Organa. That would carry more emotional weight, imo.
Also, someone on YouTube created a okayish-scene of Vader reporting to the emperor that he’s got the princess and sensed Kenobi, and is just about to flush out the Rebels. Something like that could be helpful just cus it feels awkward for the Emperor to be such a presence in 1-3, 5/6 and not here at all.
Both of these may be beyond the scope of this edit however.
I completely see where you’re coming from and it makes great sense. However, removing it would break immersion for most due to it being one of the film’s most iconic and expected moments, and would also leave the ending of the film very unsatisfactory mesa tinks.
Thank you for the suggestion though, it is just a tad too radical for what I want to achieve.
However, as for the Emperor, it would be interesting if i could find a way to include him in EP IV. Any ideas?