Angel

Thanks :)

Fixed

-Angel

I m expecting Bingowings to make this list bigger :D

-Angel

A while ago i posted these images for reference.

Use them wisely ;)

-Angel

Thanks Tv's Frink :)

A few more notes were added to the list.

• In OT we have no choir in music apart ROTJ. PT have Choir in their themes more often.
• In OT we dont see Children. In PT we see Children all the time.
• In OT designs everything has something rusty and greebled surface. In PT everything is rounded and flat (with few exceptions)
• In OT we see the extended star-field effect when a ship enters to hyperspace. In PT we dont. No spinning star-fields either.
• In OT there are only grounded droids. In PT we see that they can hover/fly
• The star-fields in OT (except ROTJ) is black and white. In PT it has mostly bluish hues. Also in PT the star-field have some haze/trembling effect sometimes.
• Many shots of a flyby is cut in two parts in OT. In PT we see one shot followed by CG camera, achieving that effect.

Got some more?

Contribute

-Angel

I had this idea in mind for a long time. hopefuly it might be sticky with the contribution of other members and it will be a detailed guide for star wars fan editors.

From visual and aesthetic pov i will try to contribute and then you can add or fix some of the comparisons. Im not here for the story so dont mess this list :)

• I read in an article the subconscious power of the average time per shot. OT has very different times compare with PT.
• The establishing shots in OT are most of the time static mattes with minimalistic characteristics from rendering pov. We might have some pseudo 2d zoom in some of them. In PT we have fancy 3d camera projected mattes with intense eye candy elements. Camera traveling and turn around above several establishing shots is a common fact in PT.
• Some establishing shots of the interiors in OT have most of the shots centered perspective rather angled and wide like PT
• The colors in OT are far more simpler and natural. Based on real locations the color pallete is calm and more grounded. PT has over saturated colors that brings life and helps better the blending/alien look.
• OT have simpler colored moods from PT. In a way PT forces you get emotional involved under carefully placed colors and tones.
• OT keeps the ship engines minimalistic as possible. Only lights with colored glows. In PT tried to define it that is more like fuel with an in-engine animation and subtle flames.
• We never see an engine starts or turn down in OT. In PT we see it many times.
• Lasers and lightsabers in OT doent create interactive lightning with their environment. In PT from AOTC and later each Clone and most of the Jedi have their own muzzle flash/saber clash light on their body or on their environment.
• Apart Leia's hologram we never seen again from where a hologram was emitting with the standard definition of holo emitter. In PT defines every source or holographic projection apart some jedi temple shots.
• In OT we see rare use of holographic display shots. They use monitors mostly. In PT we get a constant use of hologram even in the smallest things. They use some monitors too.
• In OT blasters cause a smoke mess each time they muzzle or hit something. Making the environment a big foggy mess. In PT except some parts of TPM the blasters seems to create a burn mark or just a black scorch mark in the walls. Sometimes we have intense sparks tho.
• OT have enough set/real sounds in the final mix making it more grounded. In PT most of the sound mix was made from scratch.
• Music follows the character with its own theme in OT. For example in ANH calm tones for tattoine and marching/industrial music for death star. Music defines characters/plot/action and locations. In PT we might get some nice examples of new themes but they was not used in the proper way of showing and not hiding something that is more memorable. TMP has the best score in PT because is mostly original. The later 2 movies had ripped of its music.
• There is no continuity to lightsabers or lasers in both sagas.
• OT is focused to the characters and careful placement of the camera to hide missing or incomplete sets. PT extends and open up everything/lose the contact from the characters.
• In OT everything big will be showed close as possible to the actors. Scale will not preveal in OT. Less is more maybe. In PT large scales are everywhere. humans are tiny next to everything.
• Rare use of Landing or taking of sequences in OT compare with the all the time ones in PT.
• OT have very simple planet designs from space pov. PT have colorful planets with their own atmosphere animation.
• OT have no Sun(s) visible from space shots/flybys/battles.PT have it all the time.
• OT have its space shots almost black and white apart the lasers. In PT we get glimpses or color on ships (blue/cyan)
• Force fields in OT are white with no energy shield effect that defines a "door". PT shows that the fields are blue/cyan with the energy effect.
• OT have a good memorable designs/ships. PT not only manage to copy OT but even the retro designs of mcquarrie were lost in messy sequences
• OT doenst have almost nowhere the "shaky camera" effect. PT uses that all the time.
• Shields are invisible in OT. In PT we get many tastes of how how a shield looks like. Even that is on a ship or ground.
• The camera animation is too static in OT. Compare the fluid impossible movement in PT.
• OT have no glass effect on the ship's cockpits. PT tones that more. Generally what was left out unexplained in OT PT tries to make  them more real. (dont know if they succeed it)
• In OT the force was used for.

1. Mind trick,
2. chocking,
3. training,
4. force passing,
5. Pulling,
6. Meditation,
7. Levitating,
8. Jumping,
9. Deflecting,
10. Lightning,
11. saber throwing
12. Sense.

•  In PT the force was used for.

1. Deflect,
2. Pushing,
3. Speed,
4. Mind trick,
5. Cheat,
6. Jump,
7. Sense,
8. Lightning,
9. Choking,
10. Levitating,
11. Saber throwing
12. Meditation,
13.  Force passing

• In OT we have no choir in music a few small themes in ESB and ROTJ. PT have Choir in their themes more often.
• In OT we dont see Children. In PT we see Children all the time.
• In OT designs everything has something rusty and greebled surface. In PT everything is rounded and flat (with few exceptions)
• In OT we see the extended star-field effect when a ship enters to hyperspace. In PT we dont. No spinning star-fields either.
• In OT there are only grounded droids. In PT we see that they can hover/fly
• The star-fields in OT (except ROTJ) is black and white. In PT it has mostly bluish hues. Also in PT the star-field have some haze/trembling effect sometimes.
• Many shots of a flyby is cut in two parts in OT. In PT we see one shot followed by CG camera, achieving that effect.
• In OT we see several Violence and blood. In ANH we see the burned bodies/skeletons and a bloody arm. In ESB Blood from luke's face(spit too) ROTJ we see Han's hands are in blood after looking leia's wound. In PT there is Violence too but it was never discribed with blood.
• In OT every episode includes a physical torture scene. In PT We can assume there is only emotional torture.
• In OT the engine sound in cockpit shots are more visible from OT. Sometimes in PT the mix is so intense that you lose that feeling of interior sound.

-Angel

How much money ady already received in general lines from the start of ESB:R?

-Angel

Wasnt Needa and Executor out of the asteroid field already?

-Angel

Thats the point guys. Vader doesnt look here and there. His moves are minimal and heavy/slow. Thats why i dont like how he puts his hands in his waist like an offended bitch when he first meets leia( i think its an easy fix)

Or when he replies "what do you mean" to tarkin. He moves so fast his head. Generally in ANH he is in the background. Vader also doenst ask these things...

There is no "as you wish" lines to officers like Tarkin. I still prefer TMBTM version,if not perfect, "adress me as lord Vader"

There is a mention that the dude in Tantive is the only person that responds back to vader and he didnt die.

One look from vader means that you have 50/50 chance to die or live.

-Angel

Speaking of ewoks. A nice resebly and reference can be this shot done by Ron Crabb

Mood/ colors/ details are very close to OT feel.

-Angel

Amazing post there A.H.!

Its only a matter of continuity of what type of space cruisers and ships will have ESB and what of all these will remain or added in ROTJ:R.

Since the Mon calamari ships are out of the question in the end of ESB I can guess Ady will make/keep a more visual recognizability to the famous ships that defines the OT universe in larger scales/expansions and numbers.

Wasnt Empire at war game that established EU crap Ships that were similar to the OT ones?

-Angel

Coffee then ;)

-Angel

Cool.

Greece is Awaken too ;)  I can offer you a Beer or Coffee ;)

What is the shot ady?

-Angel

This was an accident Bingo. A pleasant PS accident. Never intended to do it. Just testing methods :)

-Angel

ChainsawAsh said:

I knew you wouldn't do that to us, Ady.

Us as Ot lovers or just Star wars fans? ;)

Ady, since you are using some extensive work on 3d why are you keeping the original elements at the end?

I Suppose that you can keep the originality and only make them better.

I know that you enhance only problematic areas only, but watching what these 3d can do you might want to replace some asteroid field shots that the falcon and the ties doenst have nice shadows in some of the asteroids. If not all the space shots.

Question tho. Isnt the Imperial shuttle (needa's shot) be good to be followed by two tie fighters?

-Angel

Nice glow tho ;)

-Angel

An other idea for a more different but familiar universe (not sure if its doable tho) is make the blades like mcquarrie's. Also seen in some of the stills/promos of OT.

(right click to view it bigger)

-Angel

Shouldnt the interior must have some short of global illumination of the colofull cloud?

A tint? A subtle reflection? The lighting setup indeed belongs to the previous shot.

Pity because the new falcon is lighted correct with the classic type of light in star wars(and positioned correctly)

I was wondering what more of color will be added there? Will the ships have some color from the whole scene in the exterior space shots? Like Eve online type of coloring.This game is full of nebulas.

Subtle but effective. Good thing that the ships in OT are not so reflective ;)

-Angel

I like the CG MF but i think the backdrop is one of ady's tricks XD

isnt it?

-Angel

I dont think so.

Too busy in real life.

-Angel

Isnt a bit colorful for a star wars shot? ;)

The last nebula i saw in star wars was in ROTS and it was dull.

-Angel

"Im watching you! See? watching the fingers? Im wathing you!"

This makes lot more sense

thank Zod in most of the hooded shots its DOABLE in motion :D

-Angel

This is interesting.

The younger dooku was done only with PS actions.Meaning I didnt have to select the hair by hand or erase skin-hair blending problems. Basic masking was done to separate the new head from the rest of the comp and the younger face was done with no stamp or clone too. I just touched for fun with liquify his face so he is smiling ironically..

In other words with some careful management of tools this can be done in motion. I basically took the theory of the FX team that made Surrogates.

-Angel

Fair enough ;)

-Angel

Im strugglin my self finding ways to make Palps in ROTS a bit more Original.

The conclusions were that his hood are too wide and he has some very fat neck.

Cheating in some motion shots and creating an impact to the more static ones palps have some potential to become more like he was originaly be....: A thin old lady.

(dont mind the background i left it with no special treatment)

Maybe... when palps changing his voice all the time before it will remain the same some small transforms on his face will explain why later in the movie is thinner or (place a better idea here)

-Angel

Vader talking to himself? Not in his character. thats why i agreed removing the sense line completely.

-Angel