Angel

I see you lower a bit the image Ady ;) You gave more space to the sky. Pretty bold move. Nice new details on the ships. Still even you boosted the oranges id like to see a more uniform graduation for the troopers/pilots about depth/haze.

I hope you can show us some mockups how you imagine the shot with the newly placed elements of pilots so it doesnt look like the pilots and the ships are not in the same image.

Question: Will you try to stabilize the X wing that coming as foreground when R2 preparing it for luke? it looks that is not hovering but is on wheels.

I always thought it was a levitating Xwing when it comes that way. Maybe i got it wrong.

I hope the UK shoot of the xwing/r2 close up will have some more traffic of xwings in the sky and tie more with the previous/later shots.

Btw wasnt supposed that other xwings should be landed/taking of(like luke's) in this area apart the ones that might go out from the hangar?

Nice to know that the ties are being removed. Will you add more or better ones?

In the establishing shot when we see under the ongoing SD bridge we see only SDs but no TIES. will you add them there too in the distance?

Any SD that comes from the outerspace on screen?

I hope you can get the executor topic too ;)

-Angel

Meh..yeah you probably right.. :P

At the end people are noticing the stars and R2 and not the glass that the mockup was supposed to show XD

-Angel

its the same starfield with different levels ;) all the elements are original

-Angel

Sure i know that. I accept Ady's artistic decision to have non glass windows for the interiors. Still its has been established that every ship have windows and they are visible from the outside. So since we have an exterior shot why not include the windows from outside? ;)

See if you know what i mean

Only the small part of the windows should have some slight less contrast so the space/interior is not dead black as the exterior/space/stars.

Its interesting tho that before i run some tests i always thought that the left engine should cover some part of the R2 and the laser cannon should be somewhere visible near the cockpit (closed sfoils). But i was wrong.

-Angel

Monroville said:

Instead, just email Moth3r to remove said unnecessary post(s) to clean the thread, so only TRUE suggestions (such as the hanger bay matte replacement material and Angel's Executor suggestions) and update posts from Adywan remain.

Ah! I see that coming many posts ago.

vaderios said:

Now i can see the endless debate that will defend the opposite point of view.

The Executor yes its a matter that needs to be fixed. Not that is wrong and i dont count any nostalgia here, just is a copy paste element that for some reason makes the ship looks small in the asteroid shot. I looked careful that the other angles manage the space better and the subconscious lines/space/perspective works best if other ships are to be added. The New angles have the ship indeed dominates the asteroid field and the have it coming out with power and brute force but still with elegance and style. Like i said. Change whatever shot you need but count that the elements are not copy pasted or reversed for the retro/nostalgia effect but for the sake of variation.

The only suggestion for the hangar is if for some reason is not so centered and have it more dynamic with some slight angle. Several elements that can brake or fall onscreen it will be nice aswell the light that comes from the opened door is there!..

Ady some suggestions. Since the ships have been established that have glasses. In some shots of R2 and that he is behind the Xwing, Would be a good idea to make the window area abit less transparent that showing that have glass? i think it will be a nice little touch.

Did you reconsidered adding the snowstorm effect outside the door when is closing? Like jaitea masterful did it?

-Angel

JimmySilverrims said:

And I know that it might seem out of place for a Star Wars film, but preface the Executor scene with text saying "Ten Years Later". The idea of the Emperor building a new ship and handing out new uniforms so quickly seems ridiculous, plus it makes it look like it takes less time for the Death Star to be built (which was another major complaint I've heard.)

Flashbacks and this type of text is too cheap for starwars. Even it might work it was never used and it will look like an ordinary film that wants to fall into clishes. And dont start about clishes in PT right? ;)

Still since in starwars universe we always see something that is already built and its there we can always assume that palpatine creates super-weapons in outside the galaxy(lol) so nobody will notice him while he wastes his time into the senate.

Hell if we noticed that 9 months passed in ROTS. I still believe that specific cuts and fades can do that more well.

-Angel

Ghostbusters said:

Adywan, I think you should just give up on this Wampa. It's taking too long and you don't even know if this is going to work? I thought the one in the movie sufficed. I think you should have just edited using that.

You ve got guts i can say that to you!

Now i can see the endless debate that will defend the opposite point of view.( ESF already started XD)

At least someone expressed it ;) Thanks

-Angel

I like your ideas.

If you manage to give more specific shot by shot directions and can be done with available techniques please share your dream.

Ideas are aaaalways welcome. They always stuck to the practical/do level.

Check Bob Garcia's edit for these kind of aproach and radical changes

If you have more, Bob's topic is the one you should follow ;)

-Berry

Its good to have the executor discussion back to the topic...

-Berry

Lemonstein said:

To Angel's point about cleaning up the officer's holograms so they look cleaner - aren't they distorted because of the asteroid field? And Vader has them move the Executor clear of the field so he can get a clear signal to the Emperor. I like the distortion on the officers, it works exactly how it's supposed to.

No mr Lemoni snicket, my point was the officers should have more detail and clarity and then will downgrade to match the OT ones. The point of having so many differences in holograms it might cause a confusion. Have a detailed holo with as much as distortion and noise you want but still have details that are not blured or vazelined then there you have it.

The kersher and leslie is offtopic ;)

-Angel

adywan said:

That executor underside is only down to the crushed blacks in the 2004 transfer. You could see the underside prior to this. Unless a hd transfer of the pre 2004 version ESB miraculously turns up it's going to have to stay that way i'm afraid. CG isn't an option either. And i don't want to replace it with a different shot of the Executor because it would screw the compsite

And the other executor shot looks much better as it is originally as viewed from the underside.

Thats pity ady.. Since you are fixing everything from shots and etc. I remember that you mention that you will replace a bit radical the shot of the SD getting smashed by the asteroid and i thought about suggesting replacing the very poor executor I dont know if its worthy to be saved only colorly because its flat as hell. Since in your clips you were used wisely the use of a 2d element (much more wisely from ANH:R i can say) then for me a shot of the executor that have more detail or a subtle new shot i believe it will balance even more the feeling "Revisited" I dont get why a small wise of CG cant be the work done. Tho if its too dark you can also manage to make the long shot also dead black to match the previous or if you wish the 2004's tranfer aesthetic.

Also pity that you mentioning that many shots will take even the smallest treatment f.e. you will replace the distant star destroyer elements when needa's shuttle goes down so i have to ask.. Why have the same executor element in hoth and asteroid shots when even the subtlest difference can push the edit to the sky? I suggested different angles but still you can manage to make a hybrid one that is still not the same with the previous(cheap).

I couldnt refuse the fact that even major star destroyer scenes are copy paste with later ones but it could sell the idea. The executor has a major wow factor that it has to be showed in the every possible impressive angle.

-Angel

Also something that were bugling my mind was the detail of the executor in that shot.

No detail no nothing. Only black filled areas

The second image is a flipped one from the bespin sequence.

Look how much detail executor have in the shadow areas and the lightning matches with the overall mood. The light variation and all. The first image reminds me badly colored BW images with one tone on everything.

The only problem is that the shot is cut before it can reach the desire spot of the SSD and the bridge.

My suggestion is that even from stills or cheat using the later shot and make the different sections of the ship, represent other ones. You can recreate that shot and have an executor worthy of compositing, continuity and aesthetically pov.

Otherwise you can use 3d renders and make your life easier ;)

-Angel

adywan said:

no, it's the finished (well 95%) version. Apart from the audio of course.

Hmm interesting point there.

So i have to ask. Final clips are always 90-5% versions that have some touches to be done or left our for the people that cant notice the small differences or for deadline reasons??

Ady Small note here: Behind piet when he informs vader is the remains,can i say, of the bridge set. Sure they cover up some windows or added some blocks but still would be nice to change that to like an endless hall or a room different from the bridge? I say it again it look like the bridge. Its not. But its the same set.

EDIT: I recheck the shot again. The passing officer(s) are some good change for the member cameos you were referring too ;)

Also. when the executor comes out from the asteroids, should be some remaining star destroyers behind or even the destroyed one that goes down?

Any change you will replace the executor element in one of the two shots( establishing at the beginning of the movie and in the asteroid shot) that is a flipped element? If we count the SE we have 3 shots of the same angle.detail/light. Was wondering if with some simple 3d camera projection(so it doesnt look like a 2d element with no distortion you can actually manage to change that.

Like that ( i Just noticed that it looks like an image sequence that executor turning its axis lol)

Ideas for the executor shoots some of the asteroids while passing through them? Or even the other star destroyers in the previous shots

As they mentioned and even from the trailer i can see you have enhanced/replaced many of the details from the emperor.

Will you bother/do any subtle enhancements to the officer holograms. adding/replacing some more detail to their faces or uniform?

Using the technique that you were used in palpatine. keeping the mouth moving and having a still from ROTJ (pretty clever)

Im not referring to any of the prequel holograms.

Just thinking since you enhanced (like you said) vader's holo it would be nice the officers can have a nice detail treatment while, as you know best, keeping the OT feeling.

-Angel

Seems like a wip and its far from the final product ;)

-Angel

adywan said:

Anyone that donates between now and January31st will get an extra little clip as a thank you.

Cool!

Whats the status for the money and materials you need? What you already have and you need to start/continue what you were doing? :)

-Angel

Mithrandir said:

Well, if it's to OTrize, I was watching ROTS and have a suggestion for the shot of Anakin and Obi "emergency landing" on Grievous ship: what about if, instead of having them doing that fancy jump out of their starfighters and turning on their sabres,  you have them appear from an unexpected place, thus, not showing us the jump.

Then, in no way Artoo can handle that transmissor Obi gives him. It shouldn't be shown, as if Artoo somehow kept it in his interior, or anything.

And finally, where Palpatine remains captive, what are those red bars at each side of him, speakers? Because I think the general ambientation of that scen is almost fine but that stuff....

Very nice thoughts there.

Bob Cut the jump and the fancy shit for the most part. The idea of having them pop up from somewhere is a good one. So you meaning have the ships smashing some droids and then the jedi pop up behind them and start chopping them. hmm i like it. I assume with some editing and rotoscoping can be done.

R2 now. Very good point. R2 seems to hold that thing to several shots that i dont know if its possible to remove it via roto

The red lamps are just for the sake of decor. if they are too destructing maybe bob can bother to CC them with a more neutral color.

-Angel

It seems that nobody suggest visual changes for Bob's edit anymore... Pity that Bob is bothering to make visual miracles and radical changes to his edit and not having fresh ideas coming to these topics for inspiration.

-Angel

Is Moth3r on vacations? :)

-Angel

Tallguy said:

We have 39 kinds of Star Destroyer but only one kind of "best" shuttle?

Im sorry but we have 2 kinds of Star Destroyer in OT.

-Angel

Ady are you aware of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCj4Cj2-MI

This might solve many problems of light flickering and slight values that goes up and down during the movie.

I can remember the slight light difference when piet watches vader's helmet goes down (that you fixed) or when vader informs the bounty hunters and the wall behind him flickers.

I dont know if that plugin have a global effect but it would be nice in certain areas are more stable, lightly.

I start to believe that The foundry have many more good aspects and tools from adobe...

-Angel

RoccondilRinon said:

You could always try The Dam Busters...

:-p

Yeah thanks.

it might work tho.

so assembling a short list of war movies that have similar editing and shots with star wars.

-Angel

Any good reference for a nice space battle choreography?

Battlestar Gallactica doesnt count. Star wars-y space choreography...

-Angel

adywan said:

I sent him the video of the finale because he wouldn't have seen what i was doing with this scene in the workprint because it was finished after i sent it him.

Aaah cool..

Can we expect future donators will receive the same clip?;)

-Angel

Life would be boring without them eh?

Great analysis there ImpFighter. Pity you got the explanation from ady in PM :(

-Angel

Added some more... :)

• In OT we see several Violence and blood. In ANH we see the burned bodies/skeletons and a bloody arm. In ESB Blood from luke's face(spit too) ROTJ we see Han's hands are in blood after looking leia's wound. In PT there is Violence too but it was never discribed with blood.
• In OT every episode includes a physical torture scene. In PT We can assume there is only emotional torture.
• In OT the engine sound in cockpit shots are more visible from OT. Sometimes in PT the mix is so intense that you lose that feeling of interior sound.

If you got/found more please share :)

-Angel