Angel

Even ady sometimes fixed details that the average viewer cant even spot half of them. I can put the word contribute rather bug.. ;)

I dont have any idea yes, but thats why i illustrate ideas of how something can be done better or give something that ady hadnt thought with that way.

Perfection is my real motive...yeah ;) thats more like it!

No hard feelings captain :)

-Angel

Sorry sir.. I cant argue with you anymore on this matter.

You brighten up your self the shot and you see what a piece of cr@p it is and you are still supporting it.

Blue/black levels dead detail random whatever patterns of nothingness covering areas of black and the blending are hovering to the hazy tops of dagobah into the sharpness of the edges and so on.

Be my guest :)

-Angel

Thank goodness Mr j! Finaly more CG!!!

This will be valuable!

-Angel

shanerjedi said:

Vaderios  I remember that Dagobah mockup you did with Luke and Yoda in the background as the X-Wing floats up. Still love t.

Thanks.

Still a mockup for the bad vignette effects...

Matching the continuity and the lightning of the previous shots this shadow area should not be present. Not only apears on the sky but it embraces the fog of the lake too.

Ady fixed some of them in hoth battle, hopefully he might try these too

Edit:

Ady i noticed that your lens blur/fas blur from the unfocused shots even from ANH:R was not match with the lens blur of the 70/80s cameras. ESB shows us that when an object is unfocused it has a certain behaviour. For example if you see unfocused lights you can notice an edge around the unfocused element. Taking advandange of this and assuming you are having many shots with BG replacement why not try to make as close as possible to the 80s cameras using a more calibrated blur. More control it might have this plugin http://www.borisfx.com/units/LensBlur.php

I remember but im not sure that Andrew Kramer showed a technique that you can make a short of pseudo but realistic looking sharp edged lens blur with a couple of steps.

-Angel

Lol now i saw clearer the fade that ady did to fix the ground bending when hi pass next to yoda.

Ady i see some sharp edge in the bottom of the fade. Like you put a still image (more like it) and you forgot to fade/paint the rest of the edges to match the overall shot.

I hope you gonna fix this :)

Its pity tho because in ANH:R you ve painted R2's eye cyan/azure when in the whole saga is more blueish.

I can see that its impossible to bother make R2's eye cyan/azure each time he blinks in ESB:R just wondering why you manage to make it that color in ANH:R

I agree with the others that the xwing should have some movement when R2 looks back.

Also its me or its the same shot that were used in the both sequences? if yes ( you can see in the overlay image) shouldnt be different one from the other? its more foggy too!

Now if I will listen the mp3 "The sequence was always perfect for me back in the 80s" its fine.

If tho you can consider to do some changes to the second establishing shot (yes even its for 4 seconds) i would like have it a bit zoomed out so the Xwing have more path to travel to the ground.

Any chance you will remove the intense vignettes that some shots have? For example when the Xwing sinking or when luke watches it sink. I know its a trick to hide detail and focus the eye to the action, just wondering if you want to recreate that simple detail and then make a subtler vignette that brakes of from the 80s?.

-Angel

AuggieBenDoggie said:

My view is the matte should not be changed because it still looks fine in my opinion. But if Ady wants to change it, more power to him, it's his edit.... 

I agree with ady there. A half change matte will match the rest of the shots. what i did there long time ago. it was quick and i remember some members comment the overall brightness. It was quick i didnt got into that so dont bother to judge it again ;)

Now you tell me how close to the original is and what is better? :)

-Angel

You can still make comparissons from GOUT and 2004 colors and the basic changes that appear to the clips. Especialy some in your face ones. for example CC, yoda's disapointed face, eye direction, X wing etc. ;)

It will be nice to have the colors side by side in such complex shots like these :)

-Angel

Which reminds me...

Why 005 stopped doing comparrisons of the clips that ady is posting? ;)

-Angel

AuggieBenDoggie said:

vaderios said:

Nope, I still dont find the reason originality a good reason to keep something since ady is replacing most of the static original whatever mattes. The original mattes were ok but not in ourdays standars :)

I don't think it's a matte thats being changed, I think it's the actual X-wing thats being worked on. If you look at the shot, you can tell the X-wing has been composited, and the shadow that follows it doesn't look right either. There should also still be water dripping from the ship as it moves towards the shore, but it all stops the moment the X-wing flys over head. Water doesn't drain out that fast.

005 confirmed that the matte will change. At least what i understood. I agree with the water that should fall from the ship.

The matte is so poor and bad executed that only a new one can give the (un)natural feel of dagobah.

Ady changed mattes and mattes that were less worse than that what makes you think that he will keep that shitty one in the final enhancement edit of his? Makes no sense defending something that is not worth of quality and visual interest just for the sake of nostalgia/originality.

Revisited is all about enhancements and keeping the originality in the highest standards.

I wish i could upload from this pc my mockups to remind you that my suggested version is exactly like the original version only that was superior and more detailed from the black-y original. More like dagobah.

I was most surprised to find that Ady would get rid of Battle of the Heroes from the Vader/Ben duel if he did ANHRv2. I know its one of the breaking points for a lot of people, but I always appreciated it.

If he does that let me know to point all the flaws that the ANH:R has ;)

-Angel

AuggieBenDoggie said:

 

vaderios said:

Interesting.. you haven't changed the matte as I suggested back then with more organic one and less painted one...

Well, I guess it's pretty obvious that he preferred the original matte, and I'm glad he stuck with it. The original matte has always looked great IMO.

Nope, I still dont find the reason originality a good reason to keep something since ady is replacing most of the static original whatever mattes. The original mattes were ok but not in ourdays standars :)

Thanks to 005 that mentioned that ady will change the shot of the matte

-Angel

no FB here 005 :)

Thanks for that

-Angel

Interesting.. you havent changed the matte as I suggested back then with more organic one and less painted one. I still find the shuttle a bit CG rendered and its way to gray IMO even the light/gray balances are matching with the SD. All the composting seems to be perfectly correct. The lighting the blur the black levels but i dont get why is still looking so fake..so fluid..so something.

Anyways no big deal at the end. I support CG so you got it right ;).

I still want for you to try to replace the matte. I might think that the shot is wip so you have plans for you to do it. Its just too in your face the bad black balances and the limits of the paint.I strongly suggesting you to replace it :)

I remember you have to change the distant SD element as well :D

I like the new editing :)

I think you we add a shadow on the smoke when the Xwing is coming above? not sure

-Angel

This bridge begs for symmetry :(

-Angel

I did this for fun and tests reasons. Dont judge the super PS animation just the concept :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9SQqdVg-iw

See what is looked better or can be defined better

-Angel

Ady I think (not sure) you mentioned that you will reuse the same shot that piet says "yes my lord" in the tractor beam shot because when Piet says for the first time Yes my lord its from an other shot and the officers and the BG is not match.

So i have to ask if this is true. Logically you will replace the background from vader too in the close ups because its the same/flipped from the hoth scenes

Also when piet later says "alert all commands" will you replace its BG to be next to vader because he clearly talking to the crew in the pit of the bridge?

Its pitty tho that the officers are from needa's SD. i remember 005 brillianty discovered the patterns of the pits between the SDs and the Executor.

What are your plans about shot reuses and BG replacements?

-Angel

Thats more like it ady ;) I see you used glow from AE filter? I like that we see for the first time glow from a metal surface in a space shot in OT :D (nose of the executor)

I stand corrected :D

-Angel

Brainfood!

http://www.therpf.com/f9/building-hoth-wampa-door-set-nutshell-84725/

I hope you can contact with these guys ady for Hoth hangar details

-Angel

Hmm i see no big difference there ady apart the clarity of the falcon and some fixed colors.. pity the engine had more detail to the 2004 version. I think the overdone white boost made the engine looks more like GOUT.. Anyways..

I still would like to see the hull parts have different color and the overall brightness apart the stars the falcon and the lights should toned down even more.

Ive managed to see that only some dark spots were darkened in your version.(nice you kept the same starfield)

Im pretty sure that i left enough brightness so it doesnt look like the rest of the stars but still its your call ady. Besides you know the presence of the ship but you are focusing on the falcon and the lasers from the ties.

But its your edit ady ;)

I can almost say the GOUT shot looks the more PT-like of all, it could even match some shots of the opening scene of EPIII withut feeling the difference

Not even close :P

@:I know all these points there DarthJarJar ;) you dont have to defend ESB to me. ;)

-Angel

I saw that coming. ;)

Be my guest. In the contrary with the previous light and dark star destroyer shot (needa's shuttle) i used no roto for the lights. Only some masks for the colors/space some fixes to the lights and ofc the MF's engine. it can be done!

-Angel

So are you suggesting to lighten up the previous shots when you are clearly see that the trench is dark as hell? I kept the details i kept the lights with every visual impact available. I still think my version is more organic from the original flat one. Not to mention it looks less like a prop ;)

-Angel

Interesting. The shot of the bespin chase showed a similar angle for a possible replacement. Still tbh i wouldnt like have the same angle again but still posting it for 2 reasons. I flipped the shot

Its nice that the light still stays in the correct direction (for the asteroid shot) its easy for ady can use this shot and make the bottom dark as hell to match the previous one.

The second reason is (flipped) why are the Ties are firing away from the falcon. I can only assume that is a compositing mistake back then and i have no doubts that ady already fixed that.

Good to see that the detailed underbelly shot have some visual impact not only to me :)

-Angel

I like i still see quotes "like/favorite/nostalgia/originality" in the shots that were suggested to be altered for artistic reasons and not for the 80s feeling. I accept that :) because its ady's edit. Still its not (for me) a strong reason for not doing it.

Anyways too much talking and less action. this was a request from a friend that pointed that the light comes from some source that lights the side of the executor weirdly. You can tell me that might is the sun that comes behind the bespin system and there is an other mysterious sun that comes behind the executor. I dont know how much with all the maneuvers from the falcon and the executor pursuit how the angles are changing and new lightsources are in present but even so the main light still comes from the left and the right light appears from nowhere... So:

This might look more proper..

Its me or it looks more awesome the duo colors for the executor rather have one tint all over it? Blueish for the hull and gray for the trench.

-Angel

Monroville said:

Frankly, I personally like Angel's image below as an alternative:



Even so, I can understand the Executor having it's 2 standard escorts, as most large vessels (such as aircraft carriers and battleships) always have escorts for various reasons.  Now an alternative possibility could be to show the 2 SDs (one on either side) move up and to the right as, after they help guide/escort the Executor out of the asteroid field they peel off to go right back in to continue the search. 



 Also, would it be conceivable to show laser fire and/or explosions in the far distance inside the asteroid field to show something of the fleet's presence within it?

In regards to another point Angel made, I know you would not be able to use the detail on the underbelly (in the 2nd shot) for the shot above it, as the bespin shot is further up the Executor's body... but I could also see the entire Executor replaced with the flipped Bespin shot, so as to give it greater detail:



Even so, would it be conceivable to add more asteroids around the Executor, as well as hitting the Executor shields?  Not so much causing damage (as the Executor shields would be powerful enough to slog through without taking damage to the ship itself), but again to show how congested the asteroid field is?

I like these ideas a lot Monroville!

You ve manage to make the missing links to my mockups :D

I see the missing/black detail shot with the new one is out standing and it really reveals many detail without ruining anything IMO. I see you managed to make the lights more blueish like the original comp ;)

You said it perfectly that executor always have some ship around it apart the last shots that vader wants skywalker alone.

I really dig alternative angles and more powerful angles that can show variation and a more complete "revisited" feeling. More detail more variation=Revisited

I would love to see some shield action from executor or even some laser action that can clearly open a path or destroy big or small asteroids compare with the weak standard SDs.

( i reposted my pic via M's post, because the link appeared broken) :)

-Angel

Radi0n said:

vaderios said:

In General lines it looks the same. I'm wondering why the light are coming always from the same place even the image is flipped! ;)

Gosh darnit, he's right! :) Never thought of that.
Let's just assume ady has already fixed all light and shadow drop errors :)

i have doubts tho about the lightning issues. These kind of issues are not bothering ady or even the average viewer. Still it looks the same to me from the pov of the similar angle.

-Angel

adywan said:

If i was to change the angle of the ship then wouldn't i have to use an existing shot for this, which would then create a copy paste scenario? The shot is fine as it is. I've never had a problem with it, and i don't think there would be any stardestroyers following it out as vader would have ordered them to continue the search for the falcon.

Wow, so i guess from that statement Angel that you feel exactly the same way as Ghostbusters about this then?

If i was to have this attitude then i wouldn't have done hardly anything in the Revisited edits. I have the mindset that anything is possible and that you don't know what you can achieve until you try it. I would rather this edit takes another 3 years to complete than rush things and discard things just because it may be a little too difficult or would take a lot of time to achieve.

In General lines it looks the same. Im wondering why the light are coming always from the same place even the image is flipped! ;)

Btw this asteroid shot is final or you will add your new asteroid elements?

Far from it. I just said that someone had the guts expressed that to you with that way. I was sure it will be like this and everyone will start defend the opposite position. A-man said it way to perfect to say it again ;)

And as you know im still here helping/contributing you, finding errors and thinking ways making this edit some better even some others told me not to add you more work XD

-Angel