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#558637
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

Well done on this, I noticed it was a differnt formula to directing ROTJ when I was thinking about the Audio and no Comms chatter at all really...

Interesting enough now you said that the comlinks are missing.

Beautifull takes can be the cinematic view of Empire at war (game). At some rare moments you can take a well placed action and illustrate how the batte would you love to be.


-Angel

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#558634
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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The space shots in ROTJ i count is 64.

The cockpit shots i count(including the close ups of any bridge but not the far shots) is 58.

This count excludes any hangar shot and any death star interior chase. Also ignores what happens in the throne room. Only when we see ships in space in various backgrounds.

I also noticed that for 85% there is a space shot-cockpit shot-space shot-cockpit shot.

That count only can show us a nice amount of work that the movie already needs before go and add more shots.

have that in mind how many more shots of space should you consider adding?

Any thoughts of braking that bond of cockpit/space shot? Will it look odd?

Its good to start talking measuring and counting shots so we can have a better view of what is going on and what is most or less possible of doing.

Edit:


Via Cracked.com
#1. Return of the Jedi: Endor Is Screwed


How It Ended:

The Rebel Alliance and their fish-headed commander defeat the Imperial fleet, Darth Vader redeems himself by saving his son, Luke, and killing the Emperor and the second Death Star is destroyed by Billy Dee Williams. The Empire is effectively dissolved (keep that Expanded Universe bullshit the hell out of our faces), and a new era of peace is ushered in throughout the galaxy.


The Horrific Aftermath:

What happens when billions of tons of metal go supernova while orbiting just beyond a planet's atmosphere? The answer is the Endor Holocaust, the complete destruction of all life on that tiny Ewok-filled moon.

 

According to Dr. Curtis Saxton, an astrophysicist who apparently gets just as bored as we do, the destruction of the second Death Star by Lando Calrissian and Wedge Antilles should have left the forest moon of Endor "a depopulated wasteland." And he's thought this through: Dr. Saxon's analysis is so exhaustive that he takes into account everything from the radioactivity of the Death Star's reactor core to the progress of the independent contractors' work. All his findings point to certain doom for the Ewoks and whatever else is living there.

Saxon even suggests that the damage could be enough to dramatically alter the chemistry of the air and the water in a "nuclear winter" effect, causing mass extinction of all life on the moon. Essentially, the celebration we see at the end of the film would be like having a ticker-tape parade for the end of World War II through the streets of Hiroshima.

Not something new as an idea. Still fun to bring it back

-Angel

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#558369
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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GoodMusician said:

I wouldn't dream to add many, if any, prequel trilogy themes into the OT. For me, that's kinda going too far. Maybe some background filler music, but not out right themes unless they're truly warented... Like...off the top of my head... instead of using the Ewok finale, they used that new age-ey music...but I wonder if something else might have been better...perhaps influeneced by the locations shown or something but thats ok...

You said it perfectly!

Some undertones would be ideal in some places.

Shouldnt the endor as have its own theme?like Bespin's/Lando's theme? I guess the celebration can have endor's theme in bittersweet tones.

OT rarely had choirs apart some exeptions in cloud city , the emperors theme and luke's boost against vader in ROTJ. Duel of the fates wouldnt be good if used with choir(not my kind of theme i could imagine in OT) or choirless in any battle. Its too tense. Most of the time in TPM when that music plays nobody talks. The music guides. in ROTJ its all more character based.

I guess GM can do miracles. I cant wait to hear what he will come up to.


-Angel

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#558223
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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GoodMusician said:

I'm kinda new to the thread so I apologize if I can't answer that but it's an idea that's been circulating for a while. As for how to use it that's another story but its an interesting concept.

 

I was curious... is there a way to create a sort of...timeline...of ideas... of how you'd like (ideally) this ROTJ to edit to end up..I only ask becuase if I have a sense of timing, I might be able to develop some ideas for what music can go where and how .

 

I know it's early but it's just a thought.

I guess that answers to the importance of the coordination of the subteams as darth_ender suggested. Analysing scenes and setting a pipeline of doing and scheduling things. :)


-Angel

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#558163
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

Something to relate to the team for now...a big announcement/proposal really.

Someone recently suggested to me via PM that we create a sort of sub-team.  This would consist of the folks most heavily involved in special effects.  The hope is that we could set up a chat function for this sub-team specifically wherein they could discuss concepts more fluidly and not have to take up actual forum here discussing the more technical aspects of making our edit.  There would be a level of privacy for them in order to avoid extraneous ideas.  In other words, the idea folks could suggest ideas here (that includes me) while the actual movie-makers discuss the how-to there.  My big worry is that if we incorporate this element, some team members will feel left out.  The best way to handle this would probably be to have me (since I have thus far been the coordinator and recruiter of this project) sort of act as a liaison between the two groups to make sure everyone here is up to speed.  Of course the other guys would share what they are making, post vids and stills and ideas and such.  They would still take our feedback.  But I would in a sense bring announcements on progress to you and bring your ideas to them if they are being negligent of the forum here.  Also, if there are grievances that the idea/story folks are feeling left in the dark, I would bring such complaints to their attention and request updates.  This is the best compromise I can think of and it hopefully wouldn't be too time-consuming for me.  The hope is to create greater efficiency among those making everyone's dream become a reality.

+1


-Angel

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#557995
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Jaitea said:

Sorry to bring up snowspeeders again, but they seem to only develop orange markings in daylight.....strange photosynth paint?

J

Great examples Mr J.

They push the quality even more high since adywan posted his early attemt in the hoth video ages ago. Not saying that was anything from final back then but you still can prove that can be done with the finest way possible!


-Angel

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#557705
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

The only problem my brain keeps coming up against is that we have 3 cuts away so if it starts with the original opening you cannot have the emperor to pad luke travelling to tattooine as you leave a gap when they leave tattoine. And I don't think you can open the movie with the meditation chamber....

Perhaps a better opening might be this... We see a star destroyer go overhead like all the other movies. We then cut to a bridge shot of Vader looking out the window and see either Endor or another planet and then cut away to surface of the planet Tantive attempting to escape. (Reversed footage of Organas landing and a flight shot on the surface atmosphere).

Back to the bridge and Vader "I want that ship!" Resume the Pursuit using footage of 1st shot of ROTS composited Tantive but in space and not the one in a new hope, but re-use the footage for the capture of the tantive suicide destruction and escape pods. basically finish it off there atleast that would feel much different from ANH somewhat? I dunno Could cut this down further and make it more ambiguous.....

No reused footage. Lightning, quality and vader's suit change all the time. Always something from scratch unless other movies can provide altered footage for desired shots.


-Angel

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#557508
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DominicCobb said:

Side note: Crazy suggestion here. I know the DSII is suppose to be bigger than the DSI, but we never really see that so... what if instead of a shuttle docking inthe DSII we have a Star Destroyer dock inside the DSII.

That would be itneresting to see.

Still dificult but exciting to make or bother with.

My previous ideas shows more DS scale comparing that the station is full of traffic workers and stuff that look like dots compare to it.

Dots are the Imperial flagships ofc.

Still some tense traffic of tie patrols working ships, million of tiny welding flashes here and there differences of shapes and colors and most of the time earth like structures that the brain is familiar to process and calculate as scale measure(cranes humans metal blocks etc)


-Angel

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#556975
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Have so big, complex and different imperial ships in the battle might create confusion.

Not that i dont see a particular reason go so deep into putting more ship desings in the battle but i cant even think the amount of render and compositing part. Very few can support so big scenes and compose them.

I would love giving executor a reason to be called a superstar destroyer and not just be a big ship just standing there..(maybe a big gravity gun that cant allow ships to escape.

Besides allways you have to establish why or what is this(new ships) and what they do so special. (i guess star wars failed to deliver what Ywings are and Bwings as well)


-Angel

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#556669
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

Good news, all: Jaitea has agreed to join our team.  He stated in a PM that he is pretty busy at work but that he'd be happy to take part in a few parts, and he gave permission for me to update the first post with his name as a team member.  Jaitea is good with the CGI: he made the big AT-AT foot as a demo for Ady's edit, and I've seen some of his other stuff as well.

Jaitea is a checkmate when he comes to visuals and ideas!

Just to clear he said its not CG but photoshoping frame by frame :)


-Angel

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#556667
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Jaitea said:

No CG rendering.....all done with photoshop.....cell by cell....anything is possible done the old way

J

Great!!!!

I think (you) people should start posting your ideas over the facebook and Google plus so others can see your awesome work and contribute even more to this project.

Like Aalafnae did when he proposed his own take on the effects. Immediately success!. Its shame that such a talent remains hidden in this only forum when the R saga is spread over the net!

Plus it will be a nice touch of who is proposed what to ady and gets the proper credit at the end :)


Hail Jaitea!


-Angel

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#556495
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darth_ender said:

Do you think the ghost would be better to show immediately behind the pyre or off to the side?  I imagine it could be shown in a close up/fade-in (like the '04 version and later, only with Shaw's head).  When we see the distant shot just before panning up, it seems that we could fairly easily use Obi-Wan's body to make the shot complete without looking fake from the distance.  But again, you're doing the effects, so I don't really know how easy that is.

Let me add that I'm so glad we have you on our team.  You are an invaluable asset.  Thanks for sharing your talent.

The footage either hayden or shaw ist very helpful for what you want to achieve(redemption - loneliness) because the both smile.

Im not fan of this idea but what the hell :)

-Angel

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#556488
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darth_ender said:

I just had a thought, but I definitely need Angel's opinion on it:

What if we didn't show Anakin as part of the Force ghost trio?  What if we just see Obi-Wan and Yoda, and Luke smiles.  Then we show the funeral pyer afterwards, and while Vader's armor burns, we see his Force ghost appear alone.  That does several things emotionally speaking: 1) Anakin is alone, thus we see he is redeemed, but it may not appear that he automatically is granted Nirvana after his many past deeds; 2) It appears that in a sense, with the burning of Vader's armor, Vader is truly killed and Anakin is released; 3) It appears sort of like a final sad goodbye and making peace between father and son.

I really am excited about this idea, but I wonder if it's possible to pull it off.  And maybe I'm the only one who'd like it anyway.  Thoughts?  Can it be done?

Well the shot has Luke in front of the Pyre.

I guess you can remove luke and add some new fire elements (the shot sucks from variation and artistic point of view).

Also The ghosts managed to be behind that ledge. I guess we(you) can fade anakin without showing his ghost legs.(if you manage to extract the ghosts from the finale ofc)

In one mockup i did i extended the flames so i guess its possible.

I wouldnt mind the editing of the film finishes and when we have th final count of the shots we need i would start making mattes or whatever :)


-Angel

 

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#556365
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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darth_ender said:

I just had a thought, but I definitely need Angel's opinion on it:

What if we didn't show Anakin as part of the Force ghost trio?  What if we just see Obi-Wan and Yoda, and Luke smiles.  Then we show the funeral pyer afterwards, and while Vader's armor burns, we see his Force ghost appear alone.  That does several things emotionally speaking: 1) Anakin is alone, thus we see he is redeemed, but it may not appear that he automatically is granted Nirvana after his many past deeds; 2) It appears that in a sense, with the burning of Vader's armor, Vader is truly killed and Anakin is released; 3) It appears sort of like a final sad goodbye and making peace between father and son.

I really am excited about this idea, but I wonder if it's possible to pull it off.  And maybe I'm the only one who'd like it anyway.  Thoughts?  Can it be done?

I will answer you that soon :)

Just to know that i keep track this topic but im busy atm :)


-Angel

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#556172
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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adywan said:

And to go down the CG route, the foot would have to be so well rendered and have the movement match 100% to give it natural looking motion when interacting with the original speeder.

And you only have to look at the speeder crash in the chase scene at the beginning of AOTC to see just how fake something like this can look.

So, no i won't be doing it.  But if someone was to prove that this thing can look 100% realistic with Cg then i'm willing to change my mind

Isnt the AT-AT model you made good enough for replicating the step with bigger proportions? I think if handled with care it can support good detail for a close up.

The Crash in AOTC is fake indeed but its not the best example of good collision and CG in films :)


Also something else i wanted to bring:

Cause of the stop motion effect, all the snow that has been thrown away when the AT-ATs are walking look like mud. The snow seems stuck down like it has glue.

I wanted to suggest if possible adding some snow dust each time we see the walkers creating that mud like effect.

(the mockup is exaggerated just to stylise the effect)

(lol anyone else noticed that this shot is seen twice? one with the wire run and once before. No idea why the quality differs so much. any ideas of making one from both different?)

Sure A machine that big could have more intense interactions with its surroundings

Just something i had in mind just in case you want to consider this concept..


-Angel