Bingowings said:
It was a dark time and messy time but looking back at it with humour puts a bit of perspective on it.
That's probably the healthier way to deal with it and move on. Stress and anger are killers.
I'll keep a look out on cable for it, but truthfully I'm not a fan of dark & violent films. Maybe that's why I passed on it originally.
Bingowings said:
My ex who had the nerve to run off with £10.000 of my money after setting up dozens of credit cards in my name and running up almost as much on them.
It was amusing to watch American Psycho and discover that he not only had the same taste in music but also the same Global knife set as Patrick Bateman.
I don't mean to be dense (it just comes naturally). I get the running off with tons of money and leaving you with an equal amount of dept part.
However, are you also saying that since he was so similar to the film character it proves you had said goodbye to and (fortunately) dodged a psycho?
Because I gotta tell you man, if someone jumped ship with that much of my dough then left me thousands in dept for things I didn't own, being reminded of it would never be amusing.
*edit*
I've never seen American Psycho, but being a fan of Bale and seeing what he can do with out of the ordinary characters, I may need to remedy that.
Bingowings said:
Trilogy of well written and acted films which tie into the original trilogy or it didn't happen ;-)
That, sir, is the biggest damn gauntlet I've ever seen thrown down.
Well done.
zombie84 said:
Which "original" vision are people talking about? His original vision when he first started it? It was called Flash Gordon, and it eventually was released in 1980 from another director. Or how about his vision when he first wrote a story called The Star Wars? In that case, it's an outer space remake of Hidden Fortress. Or how about his first screenplay? That would be a combination of the two previous remakes, with Han as a green alien with gills, Luke Skywalker a 60-year old General, and Princess Leia a 14 year old girl, with a human General Darth Vader and an Emperor Cos Dashit. Or do they mean some arbitrary other screenplay down the line--perhaps the second or third drafts from 1975? Or do they mean his "original vision" at the time of the start of photography--well, that was released in 1977, faithful to the screenplay and with Lucas having final cut. Actually, scratch that, he re-wrote during filming--the "original vision" version would have to change the last name of Luke to Starkiller and have Ben Kenobi survive, thus necessitating removing his ghost from the sequels and explaining where he went after Episode IV. He'd have to overdub all mentions of "Skywalker" in the prequels and sequels as well, since that wasn't his original vision. And hmm, doesn't Vader have his helmet off in a conference scene in the shooting script, guess he wasn't all scared up from lava at that time, have to re-film ROTS' ending.
Ironically, the "vision" that 1997 and 2004 (and 2011/etc.) Special Editions represent are not "original" in any sort of pre-release sense. It's actually the complete opposite of original. If you want to see the film Lucas originally envisioned, you can't, because it was never made. If you want to see the film Lucas originally made, go watch the GOUT. This nonesense about an "original vision" Special Edition is total double-speak.
Sir, I've never made any secret of my great respect for your work. With that in mind; the statement above may be one of my favorite things you've ever written.
It very clearly and succinctly gets to the heart of what I dislike even more than not being able to own a great version of the original 1977 film. That would be the now largely accepted myth of Lucas having an Original Vision.
It's bullshit. We all know it's bullshit, it can easily be proven with past interviews as bullshit, and the constantly & still changing releases prove it's bullshit. Yet it's still somehow being touted as fact by people who, for reasons beyond my understanding, want it to be true. How many times does it have to be proven to be a lie before they accept the fact that it's a lie?
I've been working on a topic\post asking for help from the board with regard to a TFN(ish) co-worker who has bought the lies. A link to your post will be sent to her email soon. She's open to the truth, by the way, so my post asking for advice is soon to be made.
I'd never seen the thing before. Man - I was floored at the cheese level. It was cheese at a Top Gun, Point Break level. How do actors bring themselves to even speak those lines? Every moment was full-on, overly dramatic, shake your head in disbelief at the corny dialogue cheese.
"Let's kick the tires and light the fires"
It was like a train wreck. I couldn't look away. Unbelievably bad.
I'd watch it again just for the cheese factor.
Bingowings said:
George's father, rendered him bald ...and emotionally scarred by the resulting bullying which turned him into a loner obsessed with fast vehicles and technology.
and beard growing. ;-)
he became a hero to some until he became obsessed with building and maintaining his personal empire after falling out with his well regarded wife.
It's easy to see why Vader would become the final focus of such an author.
I think you're right on the mark with that. The parallels are too big to be coincidence. Too bad, man. 1980 George may have been able to do some interesting things with Star Wars if he hadn't alienated everyone who had helped him get there.
Monolithium said:
If the GOUT ever comes out on Blu-ray, I hope each disc has this warning before the films:
Warning: This film does not reflect the CREATOR'S Original Vision and should be viewed as a WORKPRINT ONLY.
Yeah, but which Original Vision? - 1974, 1977, 1981, 1984, 1995, 1997, 2004, 2006, 2011, 2013, 2014....
;-)
Alexrd said:
Anchorhead said:
Alexrd said:
There has to be something measurable to support those statements.
Why?
Because according to those statements, it's something that is inherited. Otherwise it wouldn't "run strong in his family".
I get the why there is a reason for some things. The why I was referencing is why the need to explain it at all?. He really doesn't get what make the movies bigger than life, fun, or special. He never has. He didn't understand the kiss for luck, the robot being afraid of Chewie, etc.
He doesn't have an inner child. He has an inner bad writer. We really don't need to know where 3PO was built. A service robot who stumbles into the story is enough. However, it turns out that he was built by one of the main characters when he was a kid - oh and while we're at it - on the same planet that several of the movies take place on 30 years later???. That's so fucking asinine, there aren't words for it. To me, it's laughable - but not in a good way.
This is a story that takes place over several decades, in a setting where people can travel through hyperspace to all parts of the vastness of space - yet Lucas can't seem to get the fucking characters out of one damn solar system. And on top of that, they're all somehow related to each other.
Father, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, other uncle, friend, clone, etc, etc, etc, with secondary characters being built by the main characters......
Absolutely zero imagination, zero depth, zero mystery, and a shocking level of universe-shrinking. He did the same thing with Indiana Jones in the first 15 minutes of Crusade. Why can't Indy just have a scar and wear a hat? Do we really need to have every fucking detail of his past explained and shown? I enjoyed his mysterious past. It made him much more interesting.
Or - if we do have to find out about the story behind the hat, the scar, the jacket, and the snakes - did they all have to happen on the same day, within a few minutes of each other??? What the fuck, George?
Lucas and his damn exposition. How about writing a bigger or different story instead of the continued shrinking of the same story every few years?
Sluggo said:
Let's see if I remember this right (its been a LONG time since I've seen it)
They went to Tunisia to hide the disguised queen and to repair their SR-71.
Oh yeah. I forgot about Herslag being with them and the repairs. Man, for a middle of nowhere, desolate, sparsely inhabited planet - people sure seem to stumble onto Tatooine a lot.
A Long Time Ago In A Solar System Far, Far Away...
Would someone be so kind as to refresh my memory on something, please? How does Liam Neeson even come across the kid? I don't remember there being any mention of them needing to visit Tatooine. Why does he bother measuring his blood count anyway.
Alexrd said:
There has to be something measurable to support those statements.
Why?
SilverWook said:
It might also be a "one way call" scenario. Leia senses Luke, but can't send a message as Vader does.
The one-way call was what I felt it was when I first saw the film.
Regarding the discussion at hand; The moment Lucas explained The Force, it lost it's mystique. It was reduced to a gimmick. Something to be used for the new style of prequel visuals and an easy out whenever he was stuck trying to fill in dialogue between jumping & spinning scenes.
biebkev said:
Also, I just noticed I come back to life. This concept now meets my approval.
Come on, man. You knew we'd save you. It was just a cliff-hanger.
TV's Frink said:
...or Lucas plays me?
man, Lucas has been playing us all for decades.
Yeah, Foster makes a point of making sure it's mentioned that Vader is alive at the end of the story. I assume he left it so Vader could make an appearance in the third story\film.
Luke and Leia use the crystal to heal their wounds at the end of the story and then give it to Halla before they leave. I forgot what happened to the splinter. Seems like they lose it early in the story after the're first captured. I think Grammel keeps it.
I have the book sitting on the desk in front of me now, ready for a summer read. Probably start in a month or so. Been over a year since I read it.
SilverWook said:
The "fans" who are getting exactly what they wanted on Blu Ray certainly seem to feel threatened when people post something that doesn't jive with their perception of reality. What frightens them so?
"But talkin' about it and bein' it, that's two different things. I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace........Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."
Ziggy Stardust said:
Plot synopsis:
In 2004, the website, OT.com is investigating a disturbance in teh internets. Theforce.net emerges from the disturbance and attacks OT.com. TFN's second bitchiest mod, Whinge-bag, demands that Vote_for_palpatine come onto the board to discuss the prequeks. TFN's chief mod is initially silent, but when Vote_for_palpatine mentions the date, the mod suddenly kills Vote_for_palpatine and resumes the assault on the OT.com. OT.com's chief mod, Jay, orders the site's members evacuated. To protect the members, Jay sacrifices himself by spamming the TFN.net with various sock accounts.
Seven years later, On the site STARWARS.com, Ziggy Stardust has become a reckless but intelligent young man. After a forum fight involving the star wars prequels, Ziggy meets TV's Frink, who challenges him to emulate Jay's heroism and join the new site GOUT.com.
Greenpenguino accuses Ziggy Stardust of cheating during a thread game, which Greenpenguino himself had programmed. The forum is interrupted when GOUT.com receives a distress signal from starwars.com. Doubleofffffffffffffffffffive and Ziggy, realizing that the "disturbance" observed by starwars.com is similar to the one on the day OT.com was destroyed, Ziggy convinces Frink to raise the spamfilter and thus be ready for the oncoming trap.
The members arrive at starwars.com to find the nearly all of the site has been destroyed and the TFN drilling into site's core. After the members are attacked by theforce.net, Frink surrenders, giving Greenpenguino command of GOUT.com and promoting Ziggy to mod. Ziggy, Anchorhead and ibleedspeed perform a forum jump onto theforce.net forums, disabling them. However, it has drilled deep enough in starwars.com for theforce.net's mod to launch a virus into the core, creating an internet black hole. The black hole consumes the site, killing most of the members left on teh site.
As theforce.net mod tortures Frink to gain access to Earth's perimeter defenses, Greenpenguino maroons Ziggy on the site fanedit.org for mutiny after Ziggy argues against Greenie's orders. Ziggy encounters an OldGreenpenguino, who explains that he and theforce.net are from the future. 25 years in the future, the world is threatened by the lies and special editions that George Lucas has been creating with his constant revisions of his films. OldGreenpenguino intended to use the "virus" to send to Lucasfilm.Ltd to stop the lies, but the lies destroyed the George Lucas before he could act, killing theforce.net's one true love. TFN attacked OldGreenpenguino, and both were caught in the event horizon of the virus, sending them back in time. TFN captured OldGreenpenguino and stranded him on fanedit.org to watch OT.com's destruction.
OldGreenpenguino and Ziggy walk to a nearby Starfleet outpost, where they meet Shonzie. With OldGreenpenguino's help, Ziggy and Shonzie create sock accounts onto GOUT.com. Following OldGreepenguino's advice, Ziggy mocks Greenpenguino's lack of common sense to provoke an emotional response. An incensed Greenpenguino chokes Ziggy before he recognizes his emotional compromise; he relinquishes command to Ziggy. Ziggy and Greenpenguino email deep into theforce.net's 'mod center'; Ziggy rescues Frink while Greenpenguno uses OldGreenpenguino's virus to destroy theforce.net. Greenpenguino leads TFN away from Gout.com. Just prior to the virus' activation, C3PS arrives and emails Ziggy, Frink, and Greenpenguino away. OldGreenpenguino's virus activates that destroys theforce.net and almost claims GOUT.com.
On Gout.com, Ziggy is promoted to the rank of Uber-mod and given command of the reformed OT.com, while Frink goes on to work on fanedit.org. Greenpenguino encounters his older self in a star trek forum; OldGreenpenguino has selected a website for the surviving starwars.com members to populate. He dissuades his younger self from resigning from Gout.com. Greenpenguino joins in OT.com and becomes a mod under Ziggy's command. The film ends with the OT.com-ers discussing weather or not to make a film about this.
Frink comes along and tells them that that idea would be shit.
Fucking. Awesome.
Warbler said:
*sigh* what about me? who is going to play me?
Vince Vaughn
"I'll make it rain out here"
I tracked it down. It's a piece by a Lego artist named Sean Kenney. He does some crazy Lego stuff. Huge pieces, pictures, commissions, etc.
Depicted are the businessman in "Nightmare at 20,000 feet", Star Trek's iconic Captain James T. Kirk, and Shatner singing in his spoken-word style.
greenpenguino said:
LEGO WILLIAM SHATNER
Assuming the smaller Legos are characters of his. I get Trek and Twilight Zone, but what's blue-shirt Lego character from?
That's a Lego version of an early 90s Triumph Daytona, which is a faired version of my older Speed Triple. The original file shows just how much work they put into the detail. Crazy.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nullspace/4322844671/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Which, by the way, just happens to be the same bike someone we all admire rides.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
If you haven't seen it in 70mm, at least get the Blu-Ray... it was made from the 70mm restoration and is a phenomenal image. It's like bathing in the universe.
Puggo speaks the truth.
Bingowings said:
Han Solo and Harvey Dent ?? What kind of crazy fan edit is that?
;-)
Bingowings said:
The centralisation of debate onto organs like Facebook could limit the exposure some people get to other sources of information and leave dogmatically held fallacies (some worse than Lucas having an original vision which the SE of the hour represents) unchecked.
That's the saddest part of the entire franchise to me - the ever changing original vision and some people's inability to see that there is no such thing. Nor was there ever such a thing, beyond the 1977 theatrical release.
My hope is that as Star Wars fandom moves more into the Facebook world, the truth will be discovered. I think making reality more accessible will ultimately help people see the light. Taking the cliques and moderated discussions out of their self-controlled worlds will expose them to the scrutiny they deserve.
EyeShotFirst said:
The loudness war has pissed me off for a for years,
+1 to that.
I'm a full-on Genesis nerd since the 70s. Over the last few years I've purchased their entire catalog in three very nice box sets, plus two additional boxes of all their live albums and concert DVDs. They are one of the only bands I'm a completionist of, so I knew I would buy them when it was announced they'd gone back in the studio to start the years-long process of going through each album themselves.
That said, the first box was a victim of the loudness trend and the second two were only somewhat better. The boxes are not my go-tos the way I'd hoped. Some songs are much improved, such as the albums engineered by Hugh Padgham. With the others, I've gone back to my original CDs. For the most part, the live albums are all improved. Since I always choose live Genesis over studio Genesis when I have a choice, I'm glad the live box didn't suffer the loudness trend.
For some of the other songs, which are always better & deeper live, I ripped the audio tracks off the DVD box. Truthfully, I'm really only keeping the boxes for the bonus material which is hours of interviews, all done very well. The loudness and the compression are most certainly not improvements.
