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Went to Borders to see about Tales From The Mos Eisley Cantina. No luck, so I have to order it.  I looked through tons of Star Wars books, most were of zero interest because they're prequel. However, this caught my attention.

It's set during the construction of the first Death Star.  Perry wrote one of only three Indiana Jones novels I've not read, so I know nothing of his style. Anyone familiar with this book?

One of the best parts of Next Generation;

I'm with Chainsaw & Zombie* on this one.  Clean the dirt & scratches and scan it.  No alterations of any kind.

* Is it any wonder I can't really get people to understand that we have intelligent discussions regarding Star Wars preservation issues and that we aren't a bunch of geeky basement dwellers...."yeah, the other day, I was talking to Chainsaw and Zombie and we ....."

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RedFive said:

Would someone with Photoshop pinkify this for me please?

You're welcome.

Diedre Campbell - The love interest of Indiana Jones in the novel  Dance of the Giants.  In Seven Veils, she's his wife.

Alecia Dunstin - A love interest of Indiana Jones.  She's in Philosopher's Stone and Hollow Earth.

S_Matt said:

With Lucas we're probably all wishing at this point that Fox still owned the copyright...

Absolutely.  There would have been a proper 1977 theatrical version many years ago.

Bingowings said:

Adding the OOT to the set would have been an opportunity for a 'converstion' between the past and the present of Star Wars.

I actually laughed out loud at work.  Well played, sir.

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I'm going to stop on the way home today and look for Tales From Mos Eisley.  If it's not at Borders, I'll just order it from Amazon.  I've perused it online and it is definitely the 1970s universe.  Plus it comes recommended from people on here that I trust.

Besides, how can I pass on a book that has one of us in it?....

Shug Ninx's assistant was an ambidextrous Corellian  hyperdrive mechanic named Warb.

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S_Matt said:

Its just so weird how hostile this whole situation is to fans of the theatrical versions, as if George Lucas actually resents the fact that the films were ever so popular. I actually believe on some subconscious level he truly hates the success of the films he considered so "unfinished" - the dude seriously needs a shrink.

That's been my take since all this bullshit started years ago.  First his excuse was "the films are ruined, it's not possible to release the original anymore".  Once it was widely known that there were excellent prints that could be used, he switched his excuse to "it's cost prohibitive".  A few companies volunteer to do it for free, so now he's moved to completely ignoring the fans who want the originals and then launches his "Facebook will prove that I'm right" cult.

His behavior as far back as 1980 was an early indicator of who he really is.

It does.  In fact, I used those very words a few days ago;

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-People-Vs-George-Lucas-documentary/post/497332/#TopicPost497332

However, I should have been more clear in my original post.  It's not depressing from an - I'll never see Star Wars in a proper, respectful, 1977 theatrical release - sort of way.  It's depressing that people are that easily led and that quick to bully opposing opinions without even bothering to find out the truth. 

Even more depressing is that they don't even consider that there may be a truth to expose Lucas' constant lying.  Particularly now, when research is so incredibly easy.  History has been preserved in the form of countless interviews, articles, videos, and organized on sites & books such as Kaminski's - but still they see absolutely no need to bother with giving it a look.  

There are hundreds of thousands of Star Wars fans who not only think living a lie is ok, they seem to prefer it.  To the point that they quickly attack anyone who even mentions the truth. The official Facebook page is going to do wonders for advancing their fantasy world.  Lucas is cleansing the thing hourly.  It's real-time revision of history.  A real world, happening before our very eyes, actual Ministry Of Truth. To me, that is positively bone-chilling.

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed, if all records told the same tale, then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"

"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct.  Nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record.  All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."

TheBoost said:

 "The Music Man".....Shirley Jones might be the most delightful looking woman ever captured on film

For me, that honor would have to go to Julie Andrews in Darling Lili.

You guys might want to do some research on what surrealism is.  Star Wars is most certainly not surrealism. 

Ripplin said:

Seems like they're missing a lot of points. :p But that's typical, really, especially in cases of outsiders looking in.

That was my thought exactly.  The larger (main) issue is that Lucas has been lying for decades and is in a position of power where he can dig his heels in and control what the outsiders are exposed to  - falsified information in keeping with his control-issue personality disorder.

With the exception of a select few not of my generation (Kaminski  and some of the members here), it's only the continually shrinking original fan base who even remembers what the original film & story were like in the 70s. 

Lucas will continue to get what he wants (revised history) and I'll continue to be deprived of the one Star Wars film I want.  Truth be told, I fully expect I'll never be able to own a proper version of the film I watched as a kid in 1977.

*edit*

Considering I jumped ship in 1983 and have never seen anything post-83 OT, in the grand scheme of things I shouldn't be giving it a second thought. Truth is, it's really the dishonesty that drives me. I hate that he still continues to get away with the lies.  I hate that he has followers and apologists who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.  They're just mindless drones, repeating whatever he tells them to say.  It's very depressing.

Even if he did release Star Wars77 properly, I'd just watch it once and go back to my thrice yearly listening of the NPR version.  With God as my witness, I like it much more than the 1977 film anyway.  I can't go back.

ray_afraid said:

TK-949 said:

 

to call the 501st cosplayers? That's going a little bit too far.

 

They dress up in costumes and play stormtroopers. If that isn't cosplay, what is it?

I'm with Ray on this one.  Those guys are dressing up and pretending to be... actors who dressed up and pretended.  It's pretend pretending.  The 90-minute piece is Lucas catering to the portion of the fan base that drinks the Kool Aid. 

He may be a lot of things, but savvy businessman is still top of the list.  The TFNers are guaranteed profit from every revenue stream he can come up with.  From a wealth & power perspective,it's wise to put them before us.  There's no honor or integrity in doing so, but he's printing money.  Too bad for us.

digitalfreaknyc said:

MUCH better artwork...

Post of the week!

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No discussions, no criticisms.  Just mindless gushing.  Exactly the way Lucas likes it.

The Beatles were right - Nothing Is Real.

I looked around randomly and noticed a few incidents of click to "View all 9 comments", and saw there were only one or two.  Already cleansing.  Already revising history.

Lucasfilm;

Here are the voices of our fans......well, provided they're saying what we want them to say.

On a side note, the TFN-style gushing & defending are very disturbing.

generalfrevious said:

Bottom line, we will have to wait 20 years for the OOT that should have been in good quality 10 years ago.

I still say this is how we will all experience the 1977 theatrical version - à la Soylent Green.

Alexrd said:

I'm an "original" fan, and I have no problem with the whole CGI vs puppets....because both have their realism and fakeness. They are merely tools to show the world of the saga, and one is not better than the other.

Yes, I know you are.  As am I.  I'm also fine with CGI being used to tell a story.  I'm not fine, however, with it being added to a scene 30 years after it was filmed so that completely different styles of movies can be marketed as a single entity.  It isn't working.  

There is an inherent continuity issue when watching the films intermingled because the different styles are very distracting.  There is also a continuity issue because to Lucas, style takes precedence over story. Also, the in-story technology is all over the map between the two trilogies.

Populations of planets completely change from film to film.  Light sabers are used as swords in one film, then become a child's pinwheel in the next. Droids go from being Transformers numbering in the thousands in the prequels - to being common, clumsy machines which are occasionally seen and used later on.

Regarding my point of the divided fan base; During my occasional perusals of TFN I've seen more than one discussion about new fans disliking how fake the originals are. Some want even more changes made, and some discuss how the originals need to be remade so that they look like the last three.

Likewise, there are ample posts on this board and others of original fans disliking the cartoon look of CGI.  You not having an issue with it doesn't mean there isn't an issue within the fan base.

To me, the films don't work together.  They work as two very different sets.

As you know, I've not seen the last two so this is with a great deal of speculation;

If I had to venture an opinion, I'd say viewing order doesn't really matter as long as the films are viewed in two sets of three.  Preferably with some time to ponder between the two, maybe a week or two. 

The trilogies look and feel completely different. They were created differently (live action vs CGI, film vs digital), have completely different visual styles, different story lines, different actors, take place in different time periods, etc.

It's Lucas' continued attempts to try and make them a single 12-hour film that has created so many headaches and fractured the fan base.  All six don't work as a single entity and no amount of rearranging, CGI, reediting, or color alteration is going to solve that. 

The TRNers are never happy trying to reconcile plot points that don't exist, nor are they happy with the live action & model effects of the 70s.  The original fans are never happy with the CGI, or the lack of story from the 90s.  The fan base seems to do better when they're allowed to go to their neutral corners, their decade in tow, and claim victory.  The fans don't want to play together anymore than the two trilogies do.

doubleofive said:

....boat Anchor

Is that some sort of crack at where my team finished last season?

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This displeases me.

adywan said:

There was a young LAIR name of Ken
Who created a clip in his den
But when they found out it was fake
His pants filled with butt cake
Now he's gone, No he's here back again

 

Honest to God, I just busted out laughing at my desk.  Damn you guys.

TV's Frink said:

LOL

In other news, it's pretty tight at the top so far...

The Warb juggernaut does seem to have slowed a touch.  I was going to try to not make any moves for the first month of the season, but I got too banged up.  I also had to bail on my only Astro because I had personally watched him hose a couple of games for us.

Bingowings said:

I don't know if it's the same for you but I find as I get older my tolerance for pointless violence in films and television has diminished.

That's it exactly.  Maybe it's the passage of time, or that as you get older, life is tough enough as it is. Maybe it's because I'm not an angst-ridden 19-year-old anymore.  I don't really have a deep explanation. I just know I don't care to see bad when I'm trying to wind down from the stresses of the day.

War movies, Batman, that sort of thing I'm fine with.  There was a film a few years ago with Naomi Watts as part of a family taken hostage and brutalized by two criminals.  For the life of me, I can't imagine someone desiring to watch two hours of something that horrible. Its appeal is completely lost on me.