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#281693
Topic
Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281693/action/topic#281693
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Originally posted by: C3PX
I very much agree with anchorhead about the current state of TV and entertainment, but I don't see it relevent to people complaining about George Lucas.


I was just pointing out that we're in a meaner society in general, these days, and I think it bleeds over into several areas of our culture, including public forums. People are more apt to be mean in their comments than they used to be (about most any subject).



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#281646
Topic
Help With My Graphcis CW
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281646/action/topic#281646
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Originally posted by: Ell the Ewok
Please be kind so i can get a good mark.


In the words of Benny Hill - "I'll be perfectly frank...I'll be honest if you'd rather"

All kidding aside - do you want honest answers or do you just want to be rewarded for participation instead of achievement?

In my opinion, it's an interesting idea in need of some tweaks. Nothing too major – and I’m aware you had limited resources. The one thing you could have easily made better is also the thing that needs the most work - the printed matter. A full bleed is ok as long as the copy isn’t too close to the edge. Yours is and that creates visual tension. Not a good thing. Also, the ghost trilogy is cut off. If you’re going to have the photo as a bleed, give it a border. Don’t make the customers’ eyes try to see beyond the edge of the sign. A border helps the eyes stop searching and refocus on the copy.

Speaking of which, your copy needs to be redone. It’s a mess. It’s inconsistent, repetitive, and some of it’s passing over your already severely cropped ghost trilogy.

I’d loose the giant red panels and put your sign (larger and reworked) behind the piece.

Also – get rid of the figures. It’s a collector’s edition DVD set, not a toy.

All that said, I do think the DVDs inside the Death Star is an interesting Idea. In fact, I'd probably loose the Vader head and go just with the Death Star. It's quintesential Star Wars - and - it's a complete entity - not just part of a character the way the mask is.
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#281611
Topic
Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281611/action/topic#281611
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
There is an entire generation of spoon-fed men and women under the age of 25 or 30 that is a cynical, negative, whining.....


You're right on the money. Our society is angry, spoiled, mean, and opinionated these days, but a thorough and proper discussion of how that's come to be, it's repercussions - current and future - is beyond the scope of this board.

Look at our popular culture these days. All of it is voyeuristic gang mentality. TV shows teach people how to gang up on their fellow citizens and insult them, defeat them, vote them off, eliminate them, and humiliate them. Then they laud the ones who do so. Meanness and anger are rewarded, civility and compassion are seen as weaknesses. people don't tune into to American Idol because they have an interest in the next recording contract - they want to see people make fools of themselves, or to see Simon insult someone until they leave the stage in tears - and it's all offered as entertainment.

Everything is about arrogance, entitlement, and attitude these days. The more - the better.

Yet when we turn on the nightly news and see our school children massacre each other - the nation stares in shock and disbelief, wondering what went wrong.

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#281607
Topic
Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281607/action/topic#281607
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Originally posted by: CO
Cassidy, SW fandom has always been divided, there just wasn't any internet back in '83. If there were an internet back in '83, ROTJ would have gotten ripped to shreds. Ewoks? Darth Vaders a pussy? Luke/Leia are siblings? Kenobi POV?

Very true. There were plenty of discussions going on, they just weren’t public. You only really understood how people felt when you went to movie conventions or read an occasional article in a magazine. I bailed after ROTJ. I had started to loose faith with ESB, but when I saw ROTJ, I left the theater disgusted. Everything that came after that was of no concern to me. I had my movie\story picked out. It was Star Wars – no sequels, no franchise, no fluid saga.



I know so many people who are just SW'77 fans and that is it, but other then Anchorhead, I have yet to meet one on the internet, cause they just love the first film and don't really care about anything that happened after 1977.
I’m that way indeed, but this site has still been a great place for me. Because of this site, I’ve decided to read SOTME (written in 1977 and published in early 1978, while the movie was still in the theaters). I recently learned about the old NPR radio shows (also the 1977 story) and am now anxiously awaiting their arrival. I’ve also learned a lot about various software programs for ripping and editing film audio. That was a very tough and lengthy process before I joined this site.

All those great things – things that are very important to me - came about because of this site.

Trust me Cassidy, if there were an internet back in 1980, there would be a large section of fans saying……Lucas is ruining SW!"

Excellent point. Some of us definitely felt that way. We just had no way to communicate that en mass. We could either continue to follow the movies, or not. That was the only choice we had.

Lucas has been changing around the story of SW since 1978 as Zombie has shown, it is up to all of us to choose when we feel he ruined it, and just watch the movies we love.

That’s exactly what I was talking about the other day when I said it’s up to each individual to decide what moves them and pick that film\story\etc to embrace and watch.

We live a wonderful time – each of us can easily have whatever film we want. That wasn’t always the case. In fact, that’s how I found this place. I had just acquired a laserdisc of Star Wars and wanted to see if there was some way to transfer it to DVD. I looked around the internet and found this site. Imagine my relief and excitement when I discovered that there were actually other fans of the original versions of the films. I had no idea. I knew as soon as I looked around here that I would forever be able to watch Star Wars without fear of breaking a VHS tape or trying to find a Laserdisc player.

I could have and watch the one film I wanted.

The anger is lost on me because I don't have to accept Lucas' lying. I was there in 1977, I know the truth, and I can watch the truth whenever I feel like it.


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#281325
Topic
Anyone else totally disregard Lumpy being Chewbaccas's son?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281325/action/topic#281325
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I also saw it when it first aired. As I've mentioned before - 29 years later and I'm still trying to unsee it. I swear to God I remember some sort of a scene with a female wookie washing dishes at a sink and honestly - I think she was wearing an apron.

Vile

All those years ago - one fucking viewing - and those images are still in there. I was that disgusted by it. Sick.
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#281282
Topic
My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281282/action/topic#281282
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Originally posted by: C3PX
I checked amazon,

here is the adaption of Star Wars on seven CDs:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Radio-Drama/dp/1565110056/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-4286046-5276053?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175993052&sr=8-2


Ordered.

Thanks, man. Really looking forward to it. More summer Star Wars adventure.

Plus - the cover matches my lunch box.
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#281236
Topic
My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281236/action/topic#281236
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Another bit of "EU" I like is the NPR radio drama of A New Hope. Even though it has the name A New Hope, it is really done in a way to make it feel old fasion. And it has quite a bit more back story in it. It feels so far removed from the "Tradgedy of Anakin Skywalker Saga" we know today.


Is that something that can be purchased? Sounds interesting.

I rip the audio from films and put it on CDs so that I can listen to them on long motorcycle or driving trips. That radio show sounds like it would be great for that also.
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#281191
Topic
My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281191/action/topic#281191
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Originally posted by: daveytod
as a huge EU fan with nearly every piece of literature ever published I can honestly say you couldn't have chosen a worse book to start on sorry


I'm reading it for a different reason than you probably read EU books. I have absolutely no interest in becoming an EU follower. I'm more interested in the historical aspect of this particular book. It was commissioned by Lucas as the sequel to Star Wars. Since it was written while Star Wars was still happening, it's from the Star Wars point of view - no one is related, Vader is just a bad person in the hierarchy of the empire - not some special Sith entity, etc.

On the grand scale of all that the EU has become, this book isn't even a blip on the radar. Which is exactly why I'm interested in it.

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#281157
Topic
should I get the GOUT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281157/action/topic#281157
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Hey, I was wondering guys, that although the official release of the OOT is non-anamorphic.....


I have it on laserdisc and VHS. However, I bought it for ease of viewing. The picture is better than the other two versions, it's much smaller than a Laserdisc, more stable than a VHS, and I can watch it on the large TV\entertainment area, the smaller TV in a spare bedroom, or if I can't sleep and feel like watching it at 2:00 AM without waking up the whole house, I can watch it on my computer. I can also take it on really long flights and watch it on a laptop.

It's current technology media-wise, it will play nearly anywhere, and it's easy to take along (small, thin, weighs nothing, etc). In fact, I need to put those other copies on ebay. I'll never watch them again.

I wasn't going to take some sort of stand against a non-anamorphic release or send some sort of message to Lucas by not buying it. I'm not concerned with what Lucas thinks - I'm concerned with my ability to watch Star Wars. Now I can watch a better version than I had before and I can do it more easily.



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#280901
Topic
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280901/action/topic#280901
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Originally posted by: CO
I still love the OOT very much, so even though you guys are shooting holes in my theories, I still love it enough to overlook it.


Sorry, I was hoping I wouldn't come across that way. I'm not shooting holes in anyone's theory at all, at least not intentionally. I was just mentioning that there are plenty of times where there just isn't enough story to actually rationalize a plot element. Lucas didn't rationalize it, so there's really no way we can. His stories weren't well thought out, so they have areas where they just don't make any sense. Nor are they ever. They aren't some sort of elaborate puzzle we can solve. They're just poorly written films. There's no big secret - no big reveal - no apocalypse.

Great example you used with LOTR. Those stories were very well thought out and they are very thorough. No pretzel logic needed.

For the record, I'm completely ok with the story developing over a period of years - if - it's done with some sort of thought to what's been released already. Lucas didn't do that. He writes and rewrites like a child playing army in the backyard - the rules and characters change on a whim. Fine for 8 year olds - not so good for motion picture trilogies that have an established fan base.

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#280895
Topic
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280895/action/topic#280895
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Yeah, what was with the scene with Leia sensing Luke on Bespin? Was it originally going to be that Jedi could use telepathy with non force users?

Originally posted by: CO
remember she does sense Luke at the end of ESB on Cloud City, and tells Lando to go back, yet she doesn't think anything about being a force user then.


I think you guys are giving Lucas way too much credit for writing a thorough story. It doesn't appear as though he thought things through at that level. He just came up with stuff and worried (or not) about continuity later.

Look at how ”no, there is another” was handled. He wrote and filmed that scene before he had any idea at all who the other actually was. He was letting a finished film be released to the theaters with a cliff hanger scene used to set up the next movie - as well as a possible second trilogy - and yet he had no idea about who was being referenced - in his own story. It’s one thing to hash out ideas in a story or script - and I’m sure it’s routine in the business - but he actually filmed a very open-ended plot hole. A plot hole he never resolved properly.

Man, that's sloppy.



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#280719
Topic
How does Star Wars compare?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280719/action/topic#280719
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1) It’s entirely possible that Star Wars is my favorite single film. I have a top 5 list, but picking a single favorite film of all time seems impossible. Mood\weather\time of day\time of year\etc are all factors as to what I want to watch. All speak to me in some way. All transport me.

2) I’m not a big fan of sequels\serials. I’ve not really ever seen any that I think improve on (or even match) the magic of the original. I see the story as an adventure and I don’t want to know what happened before or after. That’s what imagination is for. I don’t need all the blanks filled in. Those blanks are what make up the emotion – the feelings – the mystery - the adventure.

Exception – I’m a huge James Bond nerd. I think that particular franchise can’t be touched in terms of longevity\staying true to the vision\acting\stories\etc. There are a few clunkers, but none are unwatchable or put the fans at odds with each other the way Star Wars has.

3) Nothing moved me or transported me the way Star Wars did. I was in another world, millions of miles from home every time I sat in the theater for it. A true outer space adventure. It was a wonderful time to be 15.
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#280702
Topic
My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280702/action/topic#280702
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SOTME.jpg

Intriqued by a couple of current topics, I decided to get a copy. It arrived yesterday. I’ve never read a single EU piece, so this is new territory for sure. I’ve decided to wait until I’m on vacation in a couple of weeks to read it. It’s tempting to start now, but I’m going to wait until I’m sitting on a secluded beach, under a beach umbrella, sunglasses on, and a margarita by my side. It’s summer again - and 30 years later, I’m going on another Star Wars adventure.

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#280700
Topic
Lunch Box art
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280700/action/topic#280700
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I only have the Star Wars lunch box. It's in decent shape. I scanned all six sides. Give me some sort of email account that accepts large file attachments or an FTP site to put them on.

I brought the lunch box to work this morning. I got a few weird looks as I rode up the elevator full of office professionals, all of us in our business attaire. And yes - I carried it by the handle, the way a lunch box should be carried.

Here are some small samples. The high resolution scans are considerably larger.


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB1_small.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB2_small.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB3_small.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB4_small.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB5_small.jpg

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/SWLB6_small.jpg
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#280550
Topic
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280550/action/topic#280550
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Originally posted by: C3PX
I wish it had stuck to its roots as a piece inspired by the Sci-fi and fantasy of Lucas' time. I think all of that is pretty much lost in the PT and to a lesser extent in ROTJ.


ROTJ is where I jumped ship. I left the theater feeling very let down. Lucas had gone into full-on children's film\marketing tie-in mode.


This...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/OwenBeru_dead.jpg

and this...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/stonetriple/poster.gif

...don't work in the same story, and no amount of revisionist history or CGI can fix that. The father\sister arc doesn't work in the story either. It wasn't the original story for a reason.

In the contaminated world that Star Wars has become, you just have to decide what moves you and pick a film. The saga is horribly inconsistent and fragmented. The films don't feel connected, they don't look connected, and they don't work connected.

I chose Star Wars.

By the way, I should take this time to thank you guys for not hammering on me for my film preference. As a Star Wars only fan, I'm in the minority, by far, and I've been taken to task for it plenty of times.
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#280399
Topic
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/280399/action/topic#280399
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Originally posted by: MJR80
... it does seem like Lucas was making things up as he went along... He may have felt a burden to conjure another "plot twist" or "surprise"


He was. It's been confirmed several times over. He didn't have a story beyond Star Wars. Vader-as-father, Leia-as-sister - none of that was there in his "original vision" and the weakness of story, by inventing them later, is obvious. As I've said before, he took an outer space adventure that was on a grand scale - and reduced it to The Wizard Of Oz. Their being related feels out of place and added on - because it was.

He didn't even know what to do with it after he added it. It's not only cheap - it serves absolutely no purpose in the story. It's a useless, weak story arc that goes nowhere. It's embarrasing enough that he made up stuff up on the fly - turns out he's not even good at it.


In answer to the question - Star Wars for me consists of a single film. An outer space adventure in a galaxy far away - and none of the characters are related to each other. They weren't when I was a kid - they aren't now. It's not even a consideration when I watch Star Wars. I can't pretend or imagine they are because I know they aren't. I know they weren't when the story was first written and I know it was thought up later.

Revisionist history only works on people who weren't there during the actual history.