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#223452
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
...it is difficult to grasp a clear picture of the worlds and mythology they are 'based' on.

That's because he keeps insisting on giving every tiny detail some sort of backstory. He isn't content to let his audience use their imagination. He's a control freak to the point of even wanting to control what you may imagine happened to the characters years before. He's just about removed any sort of wonder from the vastness of the universe in Star Wars. He's shrunk the story down to nothing. It's not grand and mysterious in it's current configuration.

That's why the 1977 version of Star Wars worked so well - it was gigantic. It was mysterious and magical.

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#223357
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny

Uhh...yeah they are. That's the whole point of our conversation. But if you are not talking about Luke and Leia, then who are you talking about?

I was speaking in terms of the original story - before Lucas ran out of ideas and started altering shit on the fly, years later. That's why it's so hard for people to make sense out of the plot holes. It's a poorly altered story line. They aren't related, they didn't have the same mom, they aren't the same age, none of that crap. That's why it doesn't make sense. Because it wasn't originally written, acted, or filmed that way.


Luke and Leia being related was never a part of the original story....................nor was giving Han to this bounty hunter!


*Sorry, I nerded out for a minute*

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#223202
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Remember when everyone hated Return of the Jedi?
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Originally posted by: vtpeters
It all makes perfect sense if you consider the possibility that there never was a larger Star Wars back story to begin with. Just a draft of screenplay for ANH....

You mean the one where Annikin is actually younger than Luke Skywalker and they aren't related to each other?
Yeah, it's not just a possibility. It's the truth.

Lucas had one story. He filmed it and it was successful. After that, he did what his other famous charcter once said in a movie - "I'm making this up as I go"

Weird how many times he's willing to try to sell that whole - "I had a grand idea of the story of Annikin, spanning 6 or 9 films" - BS of his.

Hey Lucas - a great many of us were there in 1977. We remember what really went on, we remember what you really said.

Man, come on September. After that, I can cut Lucas and all his BS loose forever. I'll have the one movie I want. In it's correct form.

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#222705
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Remember when everyone hated Return of the Jedi?
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
I still maintain Lucas hasn't done anything good with Star Wars starting with the release of ROTJ. Hell, I'd almost go so far as to say ESB was the real fluke and the future of Star Wars was presented to us on CBS in November 1978. Everything since that time, with the exception of Empire has been junk.
Neil

I agree fully. The Empire Strikes Back was already showing that Lucas had no real story to tell after Star Wars. I saw Return Of The Jedi at theaters on opening day and again about 14 years later. I disliked it both times. Lucas way over-thinks things and continues to provide answers to questions no one has asked. To me, the real fluke in all of this is the 1977 version of Star Wars. Look at what a mess he's made of it now that he's really put his mind to it.

Lucas got lucky with Star Wars. He capitalized on that luck with Empire Strikes Back. After that, it all went downhill fast.
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#222686
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Why the PT fans love the PT so much, not as diehard as we think
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
TPM is already starting to die away from the collective minds of both the nerds and the general public. And that was only 7 years ago. The PT will go the way of the dinosaur and just become a novelty of the hardcore fans, but the true nature of the Force (i.e. the Original Trilogy) will live on. It's already got a good 23 years on the PT and going strong.

Very well put, Jenny.

Star Wars was a true blockbuster movie - an industry-changing film. It changed the way people thought about science fiction movies, it changed the way people thought about adventure stories, it changed the way films were made, it changed the way special effects looked. It was a true turning point in the history of film. In the film world there's pre-Star Wars science fiction movies and post-Star Wars science fiction movies.

The PT is none of that. They're just some movies that came out in the summer time along with several other films in their respective years. They didn't run for a year, grab the collective conscious of the public, generate a wave of copycat films and TV shows for years afterwards, or strike a chord with multiple generations.

If it weren't for the internet - the PT would have been forgotten already. Star Wars, on the other hand, survived and flourished solely as a film. A film that you had to drive to go see. There was no internet fan base, no message boards, no fan-based user communities. There weren't multiple-edition DVDs that you could watch at any time of the day, no special feature-laden discs with running commentary by the director or the wardrobe assistant that you could turn on and off at random.

Star Wars existed in only one form - a movie playing at the local cinema. On that alone, it captured the imagination of millions.

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#221943
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Why the PT fans love the PT so much, not as diehard as we think
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Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit


This is now a world where one is rewarded for doing nothing, where no one takes responsibility and everyone has an excuse. No wonder they relate to Anakin; they are Anakin. Everyone owes them something for gracing the Earth with their presence. .....Why do your best when everyone from the star goalie to the bench-warmer gets a ribbon?
PT fans can’t help being PT fans just like many of us can’t help being OT fans. In both instances the films reflect the world of the fans on a fundamental level. In a nutshell:

OT Fan: Give me liberty or give me death.

PT Fan: Give me that it’s mine.



Outstanding post, Adroit !!
We were having a discussion at work about that, just the other day. Like you, when I was a kid we didn't graduate from the sixth grade or get a fifth place trophy. We were rewarded for achievement - not participation. 60 minutes did a fascinating piece on the Echo Boomers several months ago. As they are now entering the real world, they were all (about 10 of them interviewed) very matter-of-fact about how they fully expect to succeed at everything they choose to do.

Here's a link to the transcript. It's very interesting. The Echo-boomers don't have the slightest idea of what a $hitstorm adult life can really be.


60 Minutes transcript
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#215471
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Another way Lucas is screwing us! (re the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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Originally posted by: THX
If the disc art looks anything like the box art, I'll be making "backups" anyway, at which point, you may as well remove the menu and extras.

I've mentioned before that I plan on making a copy so that I can have a disc without any new artwork on it, to go along with the cover I'm making.

Is it easy to leave the game and Lego preview off of the copy?
*edit* - Yeah, and the menu also. I just want the movie on there.
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#212571
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Are you gonna buy 'em?
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
maybe not even then since they're being treated as only bonus material.
Anyone else feel the same?

After I buy Star Wars, put it in it's own DVD case from the store, and make my own cover insert for it - it will no longer be only bonus material.

It will be Star Wars on DVD.

If the DVD itself has stupid artwork, it gets duplicated and the generic-looking disc goes in it's place.



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#209999
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny

Word of advice....
If we are CIVIL about this, our point will be made....We are going to buy his movies. It is up to us to let him know which version we prefer ...

I agree with Jenny. Civility is what got us this far. I believe it's why this board in particular was noticed for it's efforts and mentioned specifically in an interview. This board is different than most in that it's members were clear in their desires and civil in their approach. They came up with an alternate plan, a way to deal with not having the originals. They didn't post whine after whine, saying they were owed something or had any kind of rights to the originals. They asked politely, in a show of strength, a measure of their numbers.

I'll send mine back alright, but I'll do it politely. In September, I'll have what I came for.
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#209627
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
...considering his continued contempt for the OOT, even after the announced release, I can't help but wonder what, if any, involvement he really has in all this - beyond giving his consent.


I've wondered that same thing since the announcement. He said the originals didn't exist anymore, he lied about all the things he said and did in the 70s (no matter how much proof there was to the contrary), he kept altering the movies, and he claimed he'd never release the unaltered versions. Now it's being done after all and he's not the one that made the announcement. Also, he's still digging his heels in, even now. Seems like someone at Fox made an executive decision to ignore his ridiculousness and give thousands of fans what they've wanted all along.

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#208233
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How "original" do you think it is going to be...? (the 2006 GOUT DVD release)
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
They're changes. And I don't want them. ...they don't belong in the originals. Pure and simple.

I agree fully.

Original means 1977. Original happens only once on a timeline - not every few years, not after only a few alterations, not if it's hardly noticeable, not if most people don't mind it. The moment a single change is made, it's no longer original and shouldn't be referred to as such.

The fans that dig all the changes have a myriad of versions to choose from and watch. All we're asking for on this board - all we've ever asked for - is to be able to have a copy of the original version of the film we watched as kids. The version we want is the easiest one to give us. The version we want has been sitting on a shelf somewhere for 29 years. Nothing has to be done to it. No editing and re-editing, no color matching, no sound re-recording, no computer generated alterations, no added music, no teams of technicians, no story changes, no specialty packaging, nothing.

We're really not asking for much.