No worries Hal. If anything, I’ve just been treating this as an additional brainstorming thread. Life comes first (although if you’re so busy that you don’t have time to breathe, you might wanna consider fanediting your life into something more manageable).
who cares about the meme fish man. why do people care about the meme fish man?
This is why I don’t get why people wanted him doing the lightspeed kamikaze. Holdo was an actual character with an arc. Ackbar was a funny looking background alien.
Posting this in case someone can see a feasible and worthwhile idea here. The ideas at play are pretty good, but most are not doable. Still, it has me thinking about the possibility of integrating the stormtrooper rebellion into Finn and Rose’s escape from execution. Also the potential for having Phasma in the film. Maybe we could just have a few shots of stormtroopers with brightly colored handprints on their helmets, fighting alongside the Resistance in the final battle.
I do like the idea of Kylo Ren being kicked out of the First Order. I had always hoped he’d go rogue, and this would be a great way to do it. After being forcefully removed from office and barely escaping with his life, he runs off with the Knights of Ren to catch Rey in hopes of ggetting her to help him kill Palpatine, the true mastermind behind the First Order. He’s still with the Dark Side, though, just not the First Order. General Pryde becomes the new Supreme Leader.
Shitty puppets aside, Lapti Nek isn’t any worse than the rest of that sequence. Things don’t really get moving until Like shows up. You could honestly probably get away with starting the film with Han and Luke’s execution if it weren’t for how much runtime you’d lose.
I don’t know how true this is, but one of the actors who played one of the Knights of Ren said they saw an ending where Rey dies and Ben takes on the Skywalker name. Could be false, but if true, there may be a very unlikely chance this ending makes the deleted scenes release.
It was confirmed false. That guy didn’t even play a Knight of Ren, he was making it up.
Why would Knights of Ren have even been there, anyway?
Alright so who’s gonna make a Joh Yowza puppet?
I’d argue that it’s just an awful puppet and further proof of why the whole musical number scene should just use the Lapti Nek instrumental and lose like 30-40 seconds off of its running time.
Well FWIW, Lucas saw the musical number as one big joke, so if we could make it less tedious and more of a blatant “fuck you” to the audience, maybe it could work.
This also means that changes to the titles and the crawls should respect the original movies, rather than be radically changed.
Personally, I’m against changing titles as it makes it obvious it’s not the official film. It sorta goes with that rule about seeming like an actual movie. People shouldn’t notice it’s a fanedit, so when people hear that Episode VIII is called The Last Jedi, you’ve just gotta roll with it. It’s why I’m trying to think of the most seamless ways of implementing my big changes, which are eliminating pointless familial relations and excess superweapons.
For example, you can’t just remove Death Star II because it’s a key part of the lore referenced all the time in the EU. However, what you can do is clarify that’s it’s a reconstructed version of the same Death Star rather than an all new one. The first one still has to be destroyed, but you can redefine “destroyed” as shattered to pieces rather than literally blown to smithereens. Think of it as a two-phase boss fight. First you destroy the outer shell, then you come back to finish the job by blowing it from the inside.
You could always just open RotJ with the Sail Barge. Cuts out a lot of fat while still showing Han’s rescue.
There isn’t much to show 'til we have the Blu-Ray.
Any political stuff should in TFA, before the Senate gets destroyed.
Unless you’re talking about Lady Proxima’s lair, it should be doable. I managed to salvage some color from the CoD paletted David Yates Harry Potter films, after all. Of course, the result is not perfect, but it’s certainly an improvement.
I definitely think we should average out Yoda’s look so CG Yoda and Puppet Yoda look the same. Both effects are a tad dated anyway.
The Maul scene was confusing even to those who had seen the shows. It’s just such a bizarre inclusion that doesn’t really have anywhere to go.
And how would this change be accomplished, practically speaking?
Like I said, just have Sidious call him Darth Something at some point and that’s it. It’s not complicated, really. The line could replace “I made Snoke”. Something like “Darth Rifficus served his purpose.” Just need a good impressionist or some lines we can take from elsewhere. There’s no shortage of Palpatine saying the word Darth. Hell, you could even just have him say “I made Darth Snoke”.
@Hal 9000 Do you plan on removing the “I am all the Sith/Jedi!” exchange between Darth Sidious and Rey? The exchange sounds really awkward and clunky.
It’s the dumbest thing ever and I love it. Also perfect for a finale. Bottom line: leave it in.
You don’t need to scramble Snoke’s voice, though. Sidious is the one who would bring it up. And he doesn’t have to be a secret apprentice, given the 30 year gap in Palpatine’s timeline.
More and more it’s sounding like Rey Palpatine was a last minute addition, and I can’t decide if that makes more or less sense.
I think Snoke should just be Palpatine’s latest Sith apprentice. Have Palps call Darth Whatever once and voila.
I’ve recently come to realize I have two contradictory ideas for how RoS should end. One is with the Victory Celebration music and montage from RotJ, and the other is a fade to black from the Tatooine scene with more subtle music. I could put the montage before Tatooine, sure, but that wouldn’t really work with the end of Victory Celebration, which transitions very suddenly into the end credits music. Then I had an idea: rhyming endings.
TPM and ANH both end on a glorious celebration. What if TFA did the same, with Victory Celebration playing as Rey walks through a crowd of cheering Resistance members towards the Falcon. Granted, this would probably require an unfeasible amount of additional footage, but it’s worth putting out there.
On a similar note, RotJ would end with Vader’s funeral pyre on Tatooine, mirroring the ends of RotS and RoS. And of course, since the footage of the celebration is used for RoS and the music for TFA, we would reinstate Yub Nub in their place.
Anyone else think it might be a good idea to throw in Rey’s original name (solana, as per Trevorrow’s script) in there? Or would it just be redundant?
Having her kill her parents, just like having them sell her to protect her, is an idea that’s good, but not as good as the alternative. I prefer the idea that it really did seem possible they might come back and she had to slowly come to terms with it.
For me cloning is always such a lazy plot device for bringing people back or retconning/fixing things. I mean, unless the movie specifically deals with the topic of cloning (such as Moon, The Island, etc.) it just comes off as tropy.
Agreed. That said, Lucas managed to find a way to use cloning that is neither morally interesting nor a crutch for recovering from a bad storytelling decision. Not sure why he did that, but he did.
What’s with all the hashtags, babajaga? You’re acting like an anime character.
Speaking of what Palpatine wants, I also think Palpatine’s motivations need to be changed.
If Palpatine was Snoke, presumably, then Palpatine already knows that Kylo won’t kill Rey. And Kylo would also know that Palpatine knows that. If Palpatine as Snoke couldn’t get Kylo to kill her, then this guy Kylo just met definitely won’t. If Palpatine asked Kylo to bring Rey to him, it might be something more reasonable for him to ask. Then you could use Kylo’s masked dialogue to fill in that gap of why Palpatine wants him to bring Rey there. Maybe it is to kill her himself, maybe he tries to convince Kylo that he can help turn her to the dark side, or maybe he never tells him why and the truth is that he knows about the dyad and needs them both there to drain their power.
Whatever the reason, I think Kylo would look smarter if he knows it is probably a trap, and his goal is to find Rey and keep her from reaching Exegol, because he knows that is exactly what Palpatine wants.
EDIT: I suppose my motivation for this is that I still want to keep this idea that Kylo has overcome what Vader couldn’t to some extent. Vader was a pawn of the Emperor up until he threw him down that reactor shaft. I think Kylo Ren should stop being Palpatine’s pawn when he kills Snoke. So even though Palpatine is “alive”, Kylo sees past Palpatine’s machinations and tries to work against them. I think this would help keep Kylo’s character regressing too much from where we left him in TLJ.
Perhaps in the fanedit, you set up through the crawl that Snoke was one of Palpatine’s pawns or apprentices (Like Maul, Dooku and Vader) and now Kylo has destroyed his apprentice and impressed Palpatine. This way, Snoke isn’t a meat puppet and somewhat autonomous of Palpatine. You could still leave the line that Palpatine created Snoke, but now it is more metaphorical and just cut the vat of cloned Snokes. Also it solves the problem you were talking about, as Palpatine may not know exactly how Snoke was defeated in his throne room and Kylo’s conflicting feelings with Rey. It just seems a lot cleaner to me than Palpatine creating Snoke and literally controlling him.
Mentioning that Snoke is a pawn in the crawl is redundant. Simply cutting out the jar of Snokes would lead the viewer to assume such (give or take how they interpret “made”).
Rey’d Shadow Legends
Since the film has come out, I’ve been keeping a notepad of ideas of sort of “how I would have done it.” Silly, sure, but I’ve found it a healthy way to work through my feelings on the film.
If that’s what works for you, more power to you. To me straying beyond what is reasonably doable is simply frustrating because I know it will never happen.
*Rey Rey Binks