Anakin Starkiller

Let’s just make that “your” plural.

I know I’m gonna get a lotta hate for this but what was wrong with him in the first place? He never bugged me. I get that there are a couple instances of toilet humor (which is not only intrinsically inappropriate, but also used in a half-assed, unearned way), but that’s not something deeply rooted in his character. His stupidity isn’t obnoxious, and it’s not like the characters aren’t willing to acknowledge it. Just look at the fabulous dynamic between him and Qui-Gon.

TV’s Frink said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Between 1983 and 2004, the apparition of Shaw has not bothered anyone, everyone understood he obviously was Anakin and NOBODY never said, before 2004: “Hey, it’s not logical.”

As I’ve said before, Shaw as Anakin made sense until Christensen was cast in the role. Up until that point, you could assume that Anakin looked like Shaw right before turning. Now, we know very well that’s not the case.

Only if you acknowledge the PT exists.

Good luck staying in your little bubble. You know as well as I do that there’s no avoiding their existence. They’re too well known for people to forget them just because they want to. There will always be plenty of reminders of their existence. Even here, on a site called OT.com.

Me too.

Between 1983 and 2004, the apparition of Shaw has not bothered anyone, everyone understood he obviously was Anakin and NOBODY never said, before 2004: “Hey, it’s not logical.”

As I’ve said before, Shaw as Anakin made sense until Christensen was cast in the role. Up until that point, you could assume that Anakin looked like Shaw right before turning. Now, we know very well that’s not the case.

HerekittykittyX said:

I have an idea for revenge of the sith and attack of the clones I was going to do it for my edit.You can go right away you should add darth mual into attack of the clones and revenge of the sith use after effects and take out count dooku and then replace with darth mual use a green screen and add him in I thought it was good idea to give Obi-Wan and arc during the prequels.

I thought I would post this idea here because adywan is not doing the prequels

Look, we all know that Maul should have been kept as the villain of the whole trilogy, but it’s to late now. What you’re asking for is just not even remotely feasible.

I am not in the camp that believes the whole young Anakin force ghost, but the Normal looking Sebastian is ridiculous as well.

Exactly how I feel. I don’t think that his younger self is the most obvious form to take on, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than appearing as a man who never existed. You also pointed out that Luke has probably seen pictures and videos of Anakin, which is something I forgot to mention. Remembering this makes it perfectly clear why, assuming he had the choice, chose to appear in this form.

chyron8472 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

If they had tried to pull it off as some big reveal a la ESB, I would’ve been rolling my eyes. They still managed to achieve this with Han’s death scene, though.

Actually, I went into the film already knowing that Harrison Ford wanted Han to have died in the OT given the character’s arc from a selfish scoundrel to a loyal hero was complete; and that he was unhappy with the “teddy bear picnic” in Jedi in lieu of a more bittersweet ending. So I could tell it was coming pretty early on in that scene.

I’m not saying that scene is obvious, I’m just saying it was in no way a shock.

What I meant was that I was rolling my eyes at how laughably predictable his death was. We’re in the same camp.

Jeebus said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

-It’s okay to give Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, but they should only be used when fighting other lightsaber wielders, not each other.

I don’t really see Palpatine humoring any low-level Jedi with a lightsaber duel. Why would he bother with that?

Because he enjoys it. He knows he can beat them regardless, so why not have a bit of fun in the process.

ZeeverFett said:

adywan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

The Good:
-Hayden as Anakin’s ghost. It doesn’t make sense for him to appear as an unscarred Shaw because he never looked like that.

And yet you think it makes sense for him to appear in the Jedi robes that he never wore? And how the hell would Luke even recognise him. It makes more sense for him to be Shaw than it does Hayden.

If Shaw is used, this is the only version Luke would recognize:

Finally someone who gets it! That said, Adywan’s right about Luke probably being able to recognise him unscarred. My point is just that I don’t see why he would appear that way in the first place.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Funny how nobody – absolutely nobody – complained about Shaw-as-Anakin not making any sense/being confusing until the Hayden change was introduced.

Because up until a year a two before he was added, nobody knew what a young Anakin looked like. It’s a retroactive plot hole, but an inevitable one, when making the Prequels.

So in your mind, the octogenarian standing with Yoda and Ben at the end of pre-'04 versions of ROTJ was meant to represent a young Anakin? ROTFLMAO.

I wish you’d just admit you prefer Hayden in ROTJ because you were introduced to SW through the PT & SEs; I’d respect your opinion were that the case. Instead you resort to post hoc fanwanking, which only makes you look foolish and silly.

There’s nothing to admit to. I already told you my true reasoning. I always try not to allow nostalgia to affect my opinion of anything.

If Shaw’s ghost wasn’t supposed to be young Anakin, then who was it? It’s not the old Anakin we see when Vader is unmasked, because he has hair, a natural skin tone, and Jedi Robes (though whether that last one matters is debatale).

The Dark Empire said:

Furthermore, Star Destroyers of the Imperial class are not able to fly in atmosphere like a Venator for example. Thats why they are build in space. They only have ION-engines build for use in space. This was also apparent in Episode 5. There the Star Destroyers could not launch an Orbital Bombardment, since the Rebel Base had a shield. So ground troops had to be sent.

The shield would’ve stopped any starfighters.

doubleofive said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s time for me to come clean with you guys…I’ve never seen the unaltered OT.

And yet you still argue that Hayden in ROTJ makes more sense than Shaw.

LOL

It’s not like I’ve never seen the footage. I don’t think I need to see it within the context of the whole movie to take a stance on it. To me, Shaw as Anakin is a plot hole.

Old good guys die, ghosts are old men. Old bad guy dies, ghost is young man. It makes more sense that he looks like someone you (and Luke!) saw 5 minutes before than someone you haven’t seen in 6 hours (during a marathon) and Luke has never seen in his life.

If he’s the same guy from 5 minutes ago, why does isn’t he bald and gray?

DuracellEnergizer said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s time for me to come clean with you guys…I’ve never seen the unaltered OT.

And yet you still argue that Hayden in ROTJ makes more sense than Shaw.

LOL

It’s not like I’ve never seen the footage. I don’t think I need to see it within the context of the whole movie to take a stance on it. To me, Shaw as Anakin is a plot hole.

Double post. There’s nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Funny how nobody – absolutely nobody – complained about Shaw-as-Anakin not making any sense/being confusing until the Hayden change was introduced.

Because up until a year a two before he was added, nobody knew what a young Anakin looked like. It’s a retroactive plot hole, but an inevitable one, when making the Prequels.

Well since he’s gonna come back eventually, might as well bring back Maul right away to act as the unifying villain of the trilogy. Maybe we can even have part of his original legs and just change his “death” scene in TPM upon rerelease to have him cut at the legs rather than bisected. Another thing I’d rather implement sooner than later is Phase II clones. Really, there’s no point in having them change helmet designs between movies.

Am I capable of convincing to hire someone else to write or to direct? He original said he didn’t want to direct the Prequels, after all. If he wants to do one of those things, best to relegate him to directing. Better to have stale acting than a bad story. Knowing George, he might write something stupid like “Love won’t save you. Only my new powers can do that.” Anyway, my point is, something seriously needs to be done about the romance in “Attack of the Clones”. Btw, that reminds me, given that clones never really, you know, attack anything, I think it’d be best to change the title to Rise of the Clones.

Now in list form:

-Maybe try to embrace Jar Jar and make him more likeable instead of just sweeping him under the rug.

-Give Bail and Owen bigger roles.

-Make Beru Obi-Wan’s sister instead of making Owen Anakin’s Stepbrother.

-It’s okay to give Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers, but they should only be used when fighting other lightsaber wielders, not each other.

-Remember not to have more than one (maybe two) lightsaber duels per film. We wouldn’t want to get tired of them, now would we.

-For the love of the Force, no Stass Allie or Agen Kolar. I know you’re probably not responsible for their existence, but just tell everyone at Lucasfilm that no one’s gonna know the difference if you cast similar looking actors as the same Jedi.

It’s time for me to come clean with you guys…I’ve never seen the unaltered OT. Now before you all crucify me, I’d like to point out that I do intend to watch the Despecialized edition on my next viewing.

It’s time for me to come clean with you guys…I’ve never seen the unaltered OT. Now before you all crucify me, I’d like to point out that I do intend to watch the Despecialized edition on my next viewing.

I find you lack of humor disturbing.

Just because I use words like “should”, doesn’t mean I’ll track down and kill everyone who doesn’t do as I say. It’s just my opinion.

Honestly you probably wouldn’t be able tell is he was missing a limb under those huge cloaks. And yeah, the way he stares is pretty creepy.

ZeeverFett said:

It makes sense for the Audience to see Hayden, it made more sense in the 80’s to see Shaw, but Shaw was Fubar with unhealed scars and bald so the Shaw with hair was just as unrecognizable.

My point exactly.

Frank your Majesty said:

Or simply call it Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of The Jedi and so on. What’s so hard about that?

My point is that it should be A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of The Jedi and so on. Of course I’m not gonna say Star Wars before every title. What I’m trying to say is that Star Wars should be the all-encompassing title of the series, and each movie should have its own title.

Unless there are people out there who only care about the very first movie (which I highly doubt), the point still applies, regardless whether or not they’re comfortable with the term “saga”.