walkingdork said:
Alexrd said:
walkingdork said:
When my first child was conceived my wife was on the pill. When my second child was conceived she was on the pill AND I was wearing condoms. Judging by her reaction I would say there is NO chance of her missing them accidentally or intentionally. Weren't we responsible?
Did you know that there was still a chance of getting pregnant? If yes, and if you had sex anyway, what was the surprise?
Yes we knew there was a chance of getting pregnant, but the pill is like 90% effective so yes I was surprise.
You knew it could fail and there was a surprise that it had failed?
Again you guys are comparing a beautiful act of making love to dangerous and immoral things like firing guns into a crowd or drunk driving.
fixed. Sorry, my bad.
Again, you missed the point entirely. The example I gave of firing a gun to a crowd and expect not to hit anyone was to show that your actions have consequences, and wishing to not hit anyone by doing that is absurd. Having sex, even with protection (which are fallible) has the possible consequence of getting pregnant. People know that, so what's the surprise when it happens?
Alexrd, is it that you are you married or have you just never been laid? I guess I don't know how old you are or what your marital status is. The idea that no one should be having sex unless they are planning on having kids is ludicrous.
I never said that. All I'm saying is that people should be responsible for their actions. When people have sex, they should be ready for any possible outcome. If they don't, then in my view they are being irresponsible. And using abortion as a contraceptive method, even more irresponsible it is. Abortion was legalized in my country a couple of years ago, and the abortion rate has increased hugely. The previous law had abortion legalized only in cases of rape, malformation, or when the mother's health is at risk. The "pro-choice" movement here tried to hide these already legal exceptions and used it has an argument against the "pro-life" movement. I'm using quotes because these movement terms are very misleading.
Nowadays, there are many forms of birth control that are up to 99% effective. The birth rate in Europe and America is far less than it was generations ago. Do you really think that is because people aren't having as much sex.
No. Why do you think that?
I'm not saying that if you get pregnant and don't feel like having a kid you should have an abortion. I'm not pro-get-an-abortion-if-it's-inconvenient. However there are several circumstances where I think abortion should an option. I don't think teenagers who stupid and make mistakes should have their life ruined because they let the high school quarterback talk them into sex. I don't think crackhead who will have their children taken from them and thrown into the foster care system (which is fucking mess).
I disagree. People should be responsible for their actions. That's how they grew up (be it teens or adults).
Also the argument that fathers should just be better fathers is dumb. Of course dads in the world should be stepping up, but there is no way to enforce that.
I know. But they should be penalized for the examples I mentioned.