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That could be, I don’t know. Haven’t watched the special editions in a long time. I was just referring to the fact that if they make mention of the “1977 original” they are almost certainly still talking about the SEs.
CatBus said:
I wish people had challenged Obama’s policies more on the merit of those policies–it may have actually shifted the political discussion and gotten something changed.
I agree with this. Glenn Greenwald and the Intercept have been great about it. The mainstream left in the U.S. has become decidedly undemocratic in recent years though, so they don’t accept anything other than the party line.
Cat, I know I’m addressing something else in your post now, but when administrations come up with timetables that put things off until after their presidency, it means they are washing their hands of it. It doesn’t mean that those timetables are binding. This happened with the deficit reduction negotiations and the debt ceiling fiasco in 2011.
It’s all political fudging.
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that because Bush had negotiated for an Iraq pullout in 2011, that Obama was bound by that. He could have done whatever he wanted, as he often did. So I think that’s kind of a dubious claim.
I don’t think there’s much doubt that Obama had campaigned on ending the Iraq War, and they wanted the publicity of doing so. That’s why they made a big PR deal of it, even when many American service personnel still remained in the country.
I disliked that first Vader scene the moment I saw it and haven’t changed my mind since. Doubt we’re the only ones.
I remember thinking he wasn’t filmed from the right angle and James Earl Jones’s voice is not what it used to be. God bless the man, he’s just really old now. Maybe even the stand-in wasn’t very good.
The worst part about that scene though was that it was so gratuitous and unnecessary for the story. It was just a bunch of marketing people mandating Vader HAS to be in the movie somewhere, so here we’ll create some scenes just so we can show him on screen.
I didn’t have a problem with Vader in the last scene though. I liked it when I first saw it, but after reflection, I don’t think it fits in with the original story. Maybe they could have dialed it back a little bit, or somehow thought up the scene a little differently.
They have been trying to pass off the special editions as the originals for a long time now.
There was a guy Ryan around here recently, who complained because some posters always bash the prequels or the SEs. Even though they have made their point hundreds of times that they think the prequels are bad, they continue to post about it and make offhand remarks, over and over again. Ryan felt like it was toxic, and you all told him to **** off.
You don’t see the irony in you turning around and complaining when other users continue to criticize some movies that you happen to like?
It wasn’t meant to hurt your feelings. It’s because I’m lazy and don’t feel like looking your name up all the time.
Just like Mala and Alderaan, that he dislikes a movie isn’t enough; he doesn’t want anyone else to like it either. So like the petulant man-child he is (and they are), he has to keep coming back, rubbing his dislike in our faces until we get with his program.
This thread could be one of two things. It could be a thread where each user posts their rankings, maybe engages in a little discussion, and then having had their say, they disappear from the thread, never to return.
On the other hand, threads like this one could be an ongoing discussion, revisited by the same users over and over again, with new posters chiming in occasionally.
The thread seems to have evolved into the latter, correct?
So here you are, and Fink, and Hasbro, and the others, continuing to post your adulation of some Star Wars movies, and your hatred of others, over and over again. When new users offer their new takes, here you are, posting your agreement with them or your disagreement with them. Always continually wanting to discuss the rankings of these films, and always wanting to react to other people’s rankings of these films.
Apparently, you feel that you doing this is justified. Apparently, when people hold a different viewpoint from you, it is not justified. They are only allowed to post a few times, and then they should disappear. But you should get to post as often as you want.
Bad form.
I think part of the issue is that Obama’s policies were often criticized not directly, but by using oddly specific made-up statistics. By arguing with those imaginary statistics (but not the implied policy criticism), it often ended up making that implied criticism point back to a point in time prior to the Obama administration, whether or not the implied criticism was ever valid in the first place.
I don’t think the veracity of the blame-assignment is relevant. Partisans are going to be partisan.
I don’t know who you are or where you came from, but from now on, you do as I tell you. OK?
I’m not afraid.
You will be. You will be.
Well I do think Trump is terrible and I’m sure I would be much more critical of the Fox News commentary, but I just hate petty partisan reporting, so I always call out the MSNBC and CNN people when given the chance, which is often.
I just caught a moment of Harball and saw Chris Matthews criticizing Trump for taking a “blame everything on Obama” approach. Pretty sure he never criticized Obama for taking the “blame everything on Bush” approach for almost his entire presidency.
Alderaan, I’m not sure if you’re a troll or just have mental health issues, but if you’re getting so worked up over the words and opinions of others I suggest maybe trying to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
It doesn’t work me up at all. On the contrary, there are the half dozen of you who cry and cry every time I post in a thread. I’m airing it all out right now, frankly, to try and defuse the situation.
OP, sorry for the derail. Carry on.
I only see people calling you out on bullshit and then you crying about it.
I only object to a very, very small number of hostile posts against me. I have no problem with people being critical of my position, or mocking me, or anything else like that. I only speak up when people misrepresent what I say, or otherwise post in a dishonest or insincere manner. A few people have had imaginary conversations with me, and attributed things to me I’ve never said. They let previous conversations and animosity carry into new topics, derailing threads.
Alderaan, I’m not sure if you’re a troll or just have mental health issues, but if you’re getting so worked up over the words and opinions of others I suggest maybe trying to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
It doesn’t work me up at all. On the contrary, there are the half dozen of you who cry and cry every time I post in a thread. I’m airing it all out right now, frankly, to try and defuse the situation.
OP, sorry for the derail. Carry on.
you just rehash the same complaints with no effort of trying to say them in different ways in a pitiful attempt to ruin shit for people.
I don’t try and ruin anything for anyone. What do you think this place should be, TFN? I’m sure you would like to see the OOT restored, but you’ve said in your posts it’s not a priority for you, and your posting history has a very pro-Disney, pro-ST slant. There are going to be people who like and care about Star Wars and the OOT who feel the same as you, and there are going to be other people who like and care about the OOT who feel very different. You should be able to take the disagreement in stride, but in case you are incapable of that, then you should choose to ignore people you have such a strong, irrational hatred towards. That would go a long way to not derailing threads.
If your beef with me is that I don’t simply offer one critical post and then disappear into the shadows, well the same can be said of you. You post on here over and over again how much you LOVE STAR WARS!, you ****ING LOVE STAR WARS! Your pro-Disney, pro-ST slant, I promise you is just as aggravating to me. I just choose to respond differently.
TV’s Frink said:
No you didn’t.
I did. Did you not grasp the context of my post from the sentence I quoted and responded to? If not, then I further clarified my position in a second post. You should read it.
Can it also calibrated to detect excrement?
This just shows how irrational you Disney people have become. This place is turning into TFN.
I’m pretty sure this is an imitation of some of you:
Just so you know I don’t really care about canon, official or otherwise. I’m at the point in which I don’t even try to make it all fit into a collective story. But the petty, infantile amount of ‘hatred’ you have inside yourself and the compulsion to make it known to us is ironically something of note.
Anyways, keep doing you I guess.
This post of yours is ironic, especially the “petty, infantile” remark, since there are about half a dozen posters who behave this way to anyone who is vehemently anti-Disney. Fink responds aggressively to literally 100% of my General posts. A few of these half dozen users have made up and attributed things to me that I’ve never said.
If you don’t like me or my viewpoint, don’t respond. It’s really easy.
The OP made a post and started a thread that alluded to canon. Several other people gave their responses. Then a user said he only cared about official canon. I said official canon is dumb. Fink said he thought I was dumb for holding that opinion, which is also a valid response from Fink, if that’s what he thinks.
So far, so good.
Two problems then developed in this thread, and neither of them have to do with me, the OP, his thread idea, or many of the perfectly appropriate responses. The two problems were:
A few of you posters who behave like children, yourself included, view any appearance by me or someone you dislike as an invitation to engage us in a hostile manner. Sometimes, as Fink did in this thread when he said he thought my position was stupid, that kind of response might be warranted. Another example is when generalfrievous made his ridiculous out-of-bounds post about slavery in another thread. I agree, there may be times when you have to respond forcefully in a negative manner towards another user.
Unfortunately, that’s not what some of you choose to do. You dislike a user’s posting history or agenda, and you hunt them down from thread to thread with insults and attacks that usually have nothing to do with the topic at all.
And that brings us to the second problem in this thread, which is minor compared to the other. That kind of toxic atmosphere affected the judgement of Wook, who is usually very fair minded and even keeled. It’s clear he and I have differences of opinion regarding the ST and Star Wars going forward in general, but this was the first time I felt like he was letting bias get in the way of how he engaged me. Again, this is minor and I don’t have a beef with Wookie, it’s just something I wanted to point out.
Really, the bottom line is that I have a point of view that the Disney movies suck, and that Disney should be held accountable for not restoring the OOT. If you are still in that STAR WARS!, I ****ING LOVE STAR WARS, MORE STAR WARS! phase of your life, and my critical posts bother you that much, then ignore them. As you said, do your thing. I’m not going to stop posting because it hurts your feelings. As many times as you post equivocations and excuses for Disney and their **** movies and their **** treatment of the OOT, there shouldn’t be any problem with me criticizing them just as many times.
Can it also calibrated to detect excrement?
This just shows how irrational you Disney people have become. This place is turning into TFN.
I’m pretty sure this is an imitation of some of you:
SilverWook said:
Warning
Your read is off and you’re not being objective. I didn’t say anything about the OPs post or the substance of his post, which I actually said is fine.
doubleofive said:
Can you ever just let people have fun?
Fun is if you want to talk about your interpretation of Star Wars or compare or contrast it to that of other people. I’ve seen people say things like “their own personal canon” and that’s fine. Saying there is something like an official dictate, or worrying about it, even for a unified work composed by a single person, is stupid. Stories are meant to be interpreted.
It’s even more illogical when you consider the story of Star Wars has been written by many different people–sometimes not in collaboration with each other-- and has a million plot holes and retcons.
“Canon” means official canon as far as I’m concerned.
If you care about ‘canon’ of a fictional universe, you’re either a teenager, or I feel sad for you.
Hero (2002)**** (out of 5)
Now this was more of the type of film I wanted and did not get with “The Grate Wall”.
Hero was ok. I liked House of Flying Daggers better, but the last act kind of fell apart.
You’ll have to troll harder Fink. The thing I love most about this forum is how much it bothers you that you are completely incapable of getting under my skin.
oojason said:
Wait a minute… you didn’t like Rogue One
Correct.
oojason said:
the whole idea was stupid
Wrong. The execution was laughably bad. It had some good ideas.
oojason said:
and thought it was a bad movie?
It was.
oojason said:
This is brand new information. You should let others know immediately - and in case they don’t acknowledge your views - keep on repeating it ad nauseam.
Actually, in case you don’t know how to read, my post was a compliment for Doug Chiang. The Yavin 4 sets looked authentic. Even the new designs were mostly nice looking.
The fact that you can’t stand any criticism of this movie, and expect this to be a fan thread, or a safe space, and even the sight of someone who dislikes the movie stopping in to compliment one of the artists involved in making it, makes you lose your mind, shows how deeply insecure you are about the quality of the movie you profess to be so good.
Star Wars: Celebration 2017 - 10 Things We Learned From Doug Chiang’s Rogue One Panel:-
http://www.starwars.com/news/swco-2017-10-things-we-learned-from-doug-chiangs-rogue-one-panel
Doug Chiang did a good job in this movie. I think K2SO’s design was over the top, and the temple extraction stuff was stupid looking, but that whole idea was stupid anyway. Just goes to show you that competent people can do good work in an otherwise bad movie.