Akwat Kbrana

Don't you realize that whining about the consistency and ubiquity of sand is romantic? ;-)

Indeed. It's getting really, really old.

To adywan, they look bad in 1980 ESB, but I just can't see it... and they go by so quickly, I don't think the average viewer is going to notice the difference between the properly colored blue TIE and an improperly colored one.

Then why do you seem to care so much?

Perhaps if Ady did a brief clip showing what he means by a "properly" colored TIE (that we could compare to the 1980 "improperly" colored version), that would clear up all this once and for all?

Or, since the issue has already been settled and therefore there's nothing to clear up, you could just stop trolling. That'd take a lot less effort, and make a lot of people really happy...

Yeah! And while he's at it, he should digitally colour Luke's hair blonde...

(EDITED) Nevermind...

ChainsawAsh said:

I've always felt they were frivolous, excessive eye-candy, where the OT fights were emotionally intense and character-driven.  Who doesn't love the Vader/Luke duel at the end of ROTJ, right after Luke screams "NEVER!" and goes batshit crazy at Vader?  It doesn't matter that they're not being "dynamic" or "energetic," there's much more emotion and meaning in that short sequence than in any of the long, visually impressive PT duels.

Exactly. The PT duels are like cotton candy, while the OT duels are like steak...

Well, to be fair, he does claim illness. "Sick have I become, old and weak."

But personally, I agree. The first time I saw the Yoda duel in AOTC, I thought it was really kewl. Then the more I watched it, the more it unnerved me. It's just not in his character to spring about like a frog on methamphetamine.

Personally, I'm thrilled that you've decided to go the grey TIE route, Ady. I've always thought the blue TIEs looked out of place.

Hey, so terribly sorry to hear about it, Adywan. I wish you and your family well in this time of difficulty; you're in my prayers...

Yeah, his hair is pretty much slicked back in ANH, and it gets progressively wilder through the next two movies, with the most noticeable variant being ROTJ. Makes sense, I guess; hair grows, right? And I can't see the rebellion footing the bill for Chewie's visits to the salon.

Personally, I've always preferred the ROTJ chewie suit...

Mielr said:

I knew there were differences in the ROTS helmet- but I couldn't put my finger on what looked different. The crown of the helmet looks like it's bigger/broader than the OT helmets.

Yeah. Either the crown's too big or the faceplate's too small. Plus, it's too symmetrical. I think I could have forgiven both those points, however, if they'd put a bulky guy in the suit so as to make Vader imposing. Instead, he just looks like a scrawny little wimp who needs to increase his meat and vitamin D intake.

I suppose at the end of the day, Darth Vayden is kind of a metaphor for the PT as a whole. He resembles Vader, but something's off...

It kinda resembles Star Wars, but something's off...

See what I mean?

I thought it was hilarious...

I suppose because this particular company released the only DVD transfer of a classic masterpiece on a non-anamorphic format, whereas most other companies are releasing anamorphic versions of their films on DVD.

TheDoctor1987 said:

I don't know why every one hates the prequel trilogy i mean the story is amazing behind it and we got to see the rise of Darth Vader. Yes the originals are classics but people should appreciate the prequel trilogy more. 

Admittedly, the core stories behind the prequels are pretty good, but remember that a good story by itself does not a good movie make. While the concept for the PT was decent enough, the execution was terrible. Most of the main characters were obnoxious or unlikeable, the dialogue was atrocious, what "humor" there was just came across as juvenile and dorky, most of the acting was incredibly wooden, many visual effects (particularly CG characters) were so over-the-top that they destroyed suspension of disbelief, and the editing left much to be desired. Take all of those factors together, and you've got yourself a pretty good recipe to utterly destroy an otherwise potential-filled film project.

Compare that to the OT. Luke, Han and Leia are all very likeable, while Anakin is leery, creepy, obnoxious, arrogant, self-absorbed & whiny, Padme comes across as a shrill activist (and somehow manages to be even preachier than Jean-Luc Picard), and Jar-Jar is just plan irritating. A film is primarily character-driven, and if most of your main characters have nothing at all to recommend them...well, you get the idea. Dialogue? To be fair, the OT has never been touted as a pinnacle of rhetorical excellence, but when you compare its dialogue to that of the PT it comes off sounding like Shakespeare. The OT had plenty of humor, most of which was personality-driven and genuinely funny. The PT relied on silly saturday-morning-cartoon dialogue, terrible puns, and poop & fart jokes to carry the comedic element. Does the OT have better acting than the PT? I've never met anyone who would argue otherwise. Compare the worst acting in the OT (probably the Ewok village conversation between Luke and Leia in ROTJ) to, say, the "Are you an angel?" interaction in TPM, or the fireplace scene in AOTC. You get the idea. In the OT, the visual effects were very convincing and believable (and managed to take backseat to the story, thankfully.) On the other hand, I simply cannot imagine a willowy seven-foot-tall eighty-pound thin-as-a-toothpick creature existing on a stormy planet and not being blown away by the wind. Finally, consider the editing. The OT had very tight, fast-paced editing which flowed beautifully. The PT dwells on scenes waaay too long (which destroys pacing), and overexplains things that should be obvious to the audience almost as the rule, not the exception.

Anyway, hope that answers your question. It's not meant to be derogatory; simply to explain why I (and presumably quite a few others) find the PT to be so incredibly inferior to the OT, and therefore don't really appreciate it very much.

(By the way, as kewl as the notion of seeing the rise of Vader is, it's kinda rendered totally unkewl when he's ten times more likeable as an evil villain than he is as a "good guy.") ;-)

skyjedi2005 said:

She even makes the characters appear to be human beings and not video game characters from Lucasarts. 

I don't know if that's entirely fair.

Back in the day, LucasArts actually managed to come up with some pretty convincing and fleshed-out characters... ;-)

Gotta disagree, MJPollard. We have strong opinions over here, but we're not knee-jerk reactionaries who'll shout down, persecute, and flame anyone who disagrees. More likely, there'll be a lively discussion about why we disagree. Whereas, at TFN, they don't believe in discussions. If you don't like the SE or PT, you're not worthy of having your opinion heard. Period.

Ehh...they're pretty comparable in terms of their intolerance of divergent opinions and general all around lack of intelligence. If I had to cast a vote for which is worse, it would be for TFN. At least Starwars.com is the official site, so it goes without saying that it'd be chock full of Lucas Apologists.

generalfrevious said:

The restored version of the OOT: never going to happen, period.

"I fear, right, you are."

No!! That wouldn't fit in with George's original vision!!

I had a vision once, but it later turned out to just be the result of consuming some hallucinogenic mushrooms I found in the backyard.

*rolls eyes* The horse is dead, George. Stop beating it.

I was so incredibly disappointed with Indy IV, there's not a snowball's chance in purgatory that I'll spend a red cent on it for quite a long while. I'm sure I'll buy it years from now just to complete my collection (as I did with Ep. I-II at about five bucks each), but at the very least it'll be a few years before I can even stomach the notion of sitting down to watch that abortion of a movie again.

All that to say - as far as I'm concerned, Lucas has already taken Indy to a whole new place with aliens & flying saucers, and it ain't pretty. I kinda hope Indy V never sees the light of day; I don't want to see IJ derailed and desecrated on the same level that SW was in 1999-present.

We need to talk about your TPS reports...

"It's like, the guy used the CG for all the wrong reasons redoing these movies."

Ya hit the nail on the head. Personally, I've always preferred the pre-SE establishing shot of Ben's home over the new one. Why George felt compelled to change it absolutely baffles me...

It was definitely higher quality from a technical standpoint. Like you said, it wasn't prone to magnetic decay like a VHS tape is. Also it was capable of higher resolution than the VHS.

So why did VHS win the format war? Good question. Perhaps people got tired of turning their laserdisc over halfway through the movie. Perhaps they just weren't willing to shell out the extra money; laserdiscs were more expensive than VHS tapes, and laserdisc players were quite a bit more expensive than VCRs. Strange but true: sometimes inferior products ended up with the corner of the market for various reasons that had nothing to do with the product itself. Like computers. The Commodore line of computers was vastly superior to the IBM line in almost every respect, but IBM won out quite soundly...

Geeze, I sure hope not. That'd be the epitome of caring waaay too much.

A little off-topic, I suppose, but germane to any discussion of this particular movie, and it always amuses me: http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/bakshi/bakshi.htm

(Apologies to anyone who actually likes this movie...)