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Adamwankenobi

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#153097
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, I'll have to word this carefully, since I want to avoid my usual argument of "they shouldn't be viewed as one whole story!" thing. But since you posted your view of Star Wars, I simply feel compelled to post mine, that's all, and it's simply impossible to present my view without first stating that I don't believe that all six should be viewed as one single entity. Simply put, for me, Star Wars is about the war between the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire. On a more character-based level, it is the journey of Luke Skywalker to make something of his life, grow, and become responsible for destroying the key players in the Empire and reviving the Jedi ideals to the universe ("Not the last of old, but the first of the new."). And when I look simply at the movies, the original trilogy, or all six, trying to wrap my mind around it being the redemption of Anakin Skywalker leaves a bad taste in my mouth. When you get right down to it, only one movie has anything at all to do with the redemption of Anakin Skywalker, and that's Return of the Jedi. None of the prequels touch on this because, at that point, he has nothing to be redeemed from. And in the original trilogy, you don't even know Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker until the end of Empire. And no other character makes any attempts or has any aspirations to redeem him at that point, nor does he appear to want to himself. Only in Return of the Jedi does Luke come up with the notion of "redeeming" his father.

So, even if you do take all six films as one, complete story, Lucas's "It's the redemption of Anakin Skywalker" story doesn't hold water. That's like summarizing the first Star Wars movie by simply saying, "Star Wars is about blowing up the Death Star." The redemption of Anakin Skywalker is the conclusion of the story, not the story itself.


That is the major difference between the older (you) and the newer (myself) fans. To you, the Luke story is most interesting, and the PT serves as a backstory. To me, the story is about the rise, fall, and redmption of Anakin Skywalker by his son, and the restoration of the Jedi Order by his son. (I also count the post-ROTJ stuff.) Both men are the main characters, I'll agree with that. But to me, the PT adds the depth to the story, rather than simply being the "backstory to the main story."
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#153077
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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Well, of course not. I don't think Anakin as Vader should have been fesatured in the OT, becuase, as Lucas said himself, "it would be a rather boring story" or something like that. What I meant by it being his story was that, overall, it is about his redemption, and Luke is merely a player in that. Yeah, It's Luke's story, but in the end, Anakin's story is the overall story.

(I do agree with you on Hayden getting first billing as Anakin, I mean, Mark got first billing as Luke!)
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#153068
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ROTS Extras: CGI TPM Yoda
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.


Padme has exactly the same importance as Anakin, Luke, Leia. I don't get why everyone wants to move away her story from the movies. They give them more depth. And, as for the holiday special, that's exactly reason I'm as obsessed with it as I am.


Ahhh, no. Perhaps if Lucas was *successful* in portraying his characters with any kind of depth, and if the actors could act (okay, I'll cut Ewen, Liam, and Ian some slack), then *MAYBE* I would care. But the fact is, we didn't get a tour of Han's house, Leia's house, yada yada yada. We saw Luke's house with his Aunt and Uncle, and Obi-wan's hovel, but guess what? It was actually important to the plot.


You must remember that all of these movies are based on 30's-40's cliches and the acting isn't SUPPOSED to be THAT great. (Though Ian was brilliant in his portrayal of pure evil in a living form.)
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#153026
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"It was TPM that introduced me to Star Wars. It was the movie that got me so interested..." [SNIP]

None of this comes close to addressing the Tantive issue. If the difference between films of a ship shown for seconds at a time is enough to disturb continuity of the trilogies for you, then it really doesn't matter which film you watched and when.

"And, I really don't appreciate being called a troll for explaining my POV on the star wars films."

And I was just explaining my POV. It's not like anyone's forcing you to come back to these forums to post (though several have forced you off. Imagine that.)


I would just love to see the ship look the same in the two movies. And I came back to sort of start new.
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#153021
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Gay Fuel
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Originally posted by: segaflip
Originally posted by: The Bizzle
Now, the purest form of the term "homosexual" would be having sex with yourself, which is masturbation, which involves you with your hand on a penis, manipulating that penis until that penis ejaculates, and sometimes, even ejaculating ON YOURSELF depending on whether you can't get to a napkin or a sock or a toilet in time. Plus most guys admit to trying to autofellate themselves--which is an act where you attempt to put a penis in your mouth.


That is not how my girlfriend masturbates.


Explain to us that process then, as The Bizzle has.
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#153016
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Not so ironic when you consider that only one person is arguing for the change, and everyone else is just feeding the troll.


It was TPM that introduced me to Star Wars. It was the movie that got me so interested in that world, not ANH. In fact, I never even saw ANH until months after I saw TPM. As an introduction, TPM certainly did its job well. It made me interested in the real star of star wars, Anakin. To me, the older movies don't really tell his story as good as they could have, in my opinion. Plus, at least at first, ANH seemed rather dry compared to TPM and the others. Of course now, I've learned to appreciate it better, and bring it in with the rest of the story. ANH to me just isn't as gripping as it could have been. I mean, the title is ANew Hope.

And, I really don't appreciate being called a troll for explaining my POV on the star wars films. (It's like being told: "You're starting to sound like a separatist.")
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#153015
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ROTS Extras: CGI TPM Yoda
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.


Padme has exactly the same importance as Anakin, Luke, Leia. I don't get why everyone wants to move away her story from the movies. They give them more depth. And, as for the holiday special, that's exactly reason I'm as obsessed with it as I am.