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Adamwankenobi

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#161489
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The Star Wars Saga - From a newcomer's point of view
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In case you can't put two and two together, that was in response to your rant about how bad you hate the SE's and the PT. Shall I remind everyone? Here it is:

Originally posted by: Cable-X1
I would rather see the OT through those eyes of nostalgia, dickhead.

Everyone can keep their stupid, CGIed to death, piss poor acting, Natalie Portman wet dream, lifeless, turning Vader into a pussy, Boba into a stupid clone, around the survivor a perimeter create bullshit to themselves.....and they can take their newly enhanced, digitally mastered, brutally butchered, turning Solo into a pussy, misplaced CGI, retarded Jabba, Clive Revil raping, no eyebrowed, don't deserve to be there Hayden sacks of shit and go fuck themselves!!!!

My trilogy has been horribly raped.

Inferior in FX and dated the OOT may be.....but my trilogy kicks the fucking shit out of your trilogy any day of the week, punk.
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#161471
Topic
The Star Wars Saga - From a newcomer's point of view
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161471/action/topic#161471
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Edited: Wed December 07, 2005 at 9:53 AM by Adamwankenobi


Yeah....I figured as much, Adam. Next time you sprout off....at least have the guts to stand by what you said instead of changing it and running for the hills.


My goal was that only YOU saw my original post. It wasn't intended for anyone else. Then again, maybe I should have PM'd you instead. I think I'll do that.
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#161451
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The Star Wars Saga - From a newcomer's point of view
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161451/action/topic#161451
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
She likely felt that way because she simply saw the PT, and felt the OT was to slow compared to the PT.
Which is a failure on Lucas' part for not being a good enough filmmaker to match the pace and style of his originals. If he had made the prequels in a retro kind of way, mimicking his old style, I'm sure he would have been praised for it and everyone would have said how clever it was of him to make a seventies style film in the nineties.


I don't think his intention was ever to "fit" the PT-effects wise with the OT. And he's not out to impress people. The entire reason he pushed the effects so much on the PT is because he was so happy that he could make it how his original vision saw it, which he never got a chance to do with th OT, where he had to make constant sacrifices. He talks in interviews of how happy he is with the PT, but how disappointed he initially was with the OT. I'm actually proud that he got full control to do whatever he wanted, and didn't listen to any of his co-workers, or any fanboys when making his decisions.
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#161426
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The Star Wars Saga - From a newcomer's point of view
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161426/action/topic#161426
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I found this incredible experiment on the IMDb that someone did. They found someone (friend of theirs), who had never seen or payed attention to Star Wars before. They showed them Eps 1-6 in order. Here's the results:

"Just over the weekend, I showed it to a girl who knew nothing about Star Wars from I-IV. Indeed it was a great experience for her. She watched an innocent little kid grow up to become an overly ambitious warrior. He found love and was trying to make things right. Then suddenly he gets tricked by Palpatine. She as an audience member got tricked and felt betrayed. Then surprise or shock, the worst thing happened, this kid becomes an evil villain. She hated Vader and Palpatine from episodes III-VI. She knew who they were when watching the OT and hated them with passion and sided with the rebellion with passion. She was sitting in suspense everytime Vader confronted someone like Luke, Leia or Obi. "Those are you kids!" she excclaimed. Finally at the end of Jedi, when the chosen one fulfills his destiny and kills the emperor, she felt the biggest relief and joy ever in a movie. She even applauded at Anakin's new, younger spirit. So in the context of modern-day audiences, the I-VI order works better. She even exclaimed that IV and V looked so old and out of date that she wouldn't feel like watching them if she didn't already have an attachment to the characters and the universe already established in I-III. So there you have it. Lucas' new suggestion works.

My experiment of showing from it from 1-6 to someone who knew nothing about at all worked very well. She showed surprise, shock, as well as a whole range of other emotions that I never saw in someone who watched it from 4,5,6,1,2,3. Every single episode from 1-6 was surprising and unexpected for her. Because she knew nothing about it, every single little event came unexpected. This person didn't even really care to see Star Wars to begin with.

She didn't know Anakin was gonna turn evil, or kill kids. She didn't know Padme was gonna die. She didn't know the Jedi will be wiped out. She didn't think Windu will lose the fight with Palpatine. She didn't know Palpatine was Sidious until it was too late and he betrayed everyone including her. She thought Obi-wan was gonna steer Vader in the right direction in IV. She thought Obi was gonna make him meet Luke and turn it all around and then V and VI will be Obi, Anakin and Luke fighting the emperor. But to her dismay, Vader killed Obi and then no one can straighten things out. She felt sorry for Luke and Leia that they didn't know their relationships to each other because of the situation of the galaxy that put them in such a fix to begin with. When Yoda first appeared and acted senile, she found it amusing and took it as his technique of making sure that things are done right with Luke. She then thought that Vader's revelation was very powerful because of everything that it means to Luke, the jedi and the galaxy (something that no one felt watching it the old way, because they may have thought Vader was lying). When Luke finally confronts Palpatine her heart was beating with fear because she knows what Palpatine is capable of. When Anakin returns, that was the biggest payoff that she has ever felt in the history of movies.

So there are a lot more surprises, shocking moments, and tension built-up watching them in chronological order and in more significant ways. Everything is not already known and then anticipated. I had the same fears as everyone else when I decided to show it in chronological story order, but I had to test it out. Somehow this works better because there are no comments like, "well, this happened in the OT, so I would expect it to be like this or that in the PT." The 1-6 order works, but probably only for someone who knows nothing about SW. Try it out someday. It may take years to find a Star Wars virgin, but it is worth it. I enjoyed watching this person take it all in."

He then goes on to say:

"Well, when my non-experienced Star Wars viewer saw the films for the first time, in episodic order, she said that she was glad that she saw it this way. She claimed that the plot style and the picture of ep. IV (even though it is a touched up movie on DVD) would have been too slow and hard to follow if she wasn't already attached to the characters through learning about them via episodes 1-3. The Yoda scene being cut didn't hurt her viewing at all. It was a pleasant surprise for her to find out that her favorite character was still alive after all these years. Oh, Yoda's death in Jedi devastated her though. Her comment was "It's so sad to see him finally just die like this despite surviving all those wars and 20 years in isolation." It was more shocking and sad than Obi-wan's death because he died at Luke's darkest hour. Knowing who Sidious is, there is much more tension involved for the young and inexperienced Luke.

PS: Don't forget to show Clone Wars 1,2 to SW newbies before episode 3. It solidifies Anakin as a hero, thus making his fall that much more tragic. "

I found this here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/board/nest/29221723
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#161423
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***The Official ANGRYSVN UNAUTHORIZED COLLECTION*** Release Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161423/action/topic#161423
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Originally posted by: Ash595
Originally posted by: Rikter
IN PRODUCTION -
The Star Wars Holiday Special - WMAR
Angrysvn VHS transfer and DVD authoring
Includes ALL vintage commercials that aired during the HS!!
- Release BLAK0043
- 1 DVDr
- Fan Preservation
- Source - 2nd generation VHS recording of OTA from WMAR Channel 2 Baltimore, Maryland
- Interactive Menu
- Custom Cover Art available




I have a rare interview of Stan Winston about his work on Holiday Special (dvd quality). let me know if you are interested. It will be a good bonus for your release.


Where did you find that interview? What does he say exactly? Will you upload it for us?
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#161422
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When did you give up with the Prequels, TPM, AOTC, or ROTS?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161422/action/topic#161422
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Im not really sure, but TPM was a big blow, I just totally lost interest in Star Wars for the first time since 1977 a few months after, it was such as dissapointment and maybe felt the Prequels were only heading one way and maybe it was because i was now older and now had a lot of other interests and they took over, and I didnt care less about Clones when it was being made. now I saw it two weeks after it was released and enjoyed it, but realised it wasnt as good or as special as the Originals, but I enjoyed for a time, but it didnt have any staying power, so I gave up then probably....

BUT

out of curiosity a month or two before Sith, i started reading spoilers etc and became interested in it.and saw it on one of the first showings and liked it.........


Just wondering, are you one of those people who consider the Clone Wars animated series superior to the PT?
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#161402
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hardcore haters only
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161402/action/topic#161402
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I've been back here for quite a while, but I was unbanned because I spent a month off of here and requested to be unbanned through email with Jay, on the consitions that I never again cause the trouble I caused, or post the things I posted. I think you know what I'm refering to. And, the "Double Secret Probation" thing is something Jay coined. I'm not exactly sure what it means other than that I'm on probation, and am being watched.