Acbagel

As I’ve been working on my Mando Season 3 edit, I’ve run across some very strange bugs in the show. Wondering if anyone has some insight.

What is going on here…? How is R5 already following Din on Nevarro?

That is Season 3 Episode 1, right after they land and walk into town. Din doesn’t even pickup R5 from Pelli until the beginning of the NEXT EPISODE… R5’s texture also looks off, like they didn’t fully touch up his model.

Also, there are a TON of scenes where Grogu completely vanishes from sight. Like one shot he’s hovering right next to Din’s hip, the next he is nowhere to be found.

Again, here is Grogu clearly to the left of Greef.

But then POOF he is instantly gone again.

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But then in the VERY NEXT SHOT… he is directly behind them walking but his compositing and color looks super wonky as he is very obviously green screened in.

It makes even less sense when you see it play out in video form rather than these stills. I mean there’s at least 5 instances of this where he should be there on the screen based on his previous placement but he’s not, and this occurs not only throughout all of Nevarro, but also later on in the Mines of Mandalore.

Grogu is directly behind Din’s right shoulder -

But then 2 seconds later he is nowhere to be found (Notice how Grogu’s bright flashlight makes no difference on Din’s armor when the light is there in the close up vs when Grogu and the light are missing in the next frame)-

And then 2 seconds after that he is hiding behind a piece of rubble and cave wall that is not seen anywhere else on this set piece -

And it’s not only the visuals that are extremely mixed up, I want you to take a step back and consider if this series of events makes sense to you:

1. After completing his mission and giving Grogu to Luke, Din goes back to bounty hunting for an undetermined amount of time, he tracks down his clan, but it is very quickly discovered that he violated the creed and Din is cast out of his clan as an apostate. He is told his only path to redemption is to bathe in the waters of Mandalore. (Perfect setup for a new and compelling story post-Season 2)
2. Din sulks off to Tatooine to get a new ship, supposedly with the intent to go to Mandalore in it. (This makes sense, if he is going on this new journey, he needs a way to fly to and explore Mandalore)
3. While getting his new ship, he learns that Boba needs help and Din says he will assist, but then suddenly decides that he has to visit Grogu IMMEDIATELY. (Surely, that could’ve waited? Why does he have to go there right this second? This was where the Disney forced reuinion stuff starts to interfere and I start to see evidence of massive plot changes. With no actual urgency in the story, Din tells Boba to wait until he gets back and then rushes across the entire galaxy to check on Grogu. If their reunion wasn’t forced to be included in BoBF for this final battle, there’s no reason at all that this visit to Grogu shouldn’t just happen after the Tatooine battle)
4. Din flies across the entire galaxy to check on Grogu, learns he can’t really interfere and immediately leaves… We then see ALL of Grogu’s Jedi training take place in 20 minutes. (It is VERY confusing how much time passes in these events. How long was Grogu with Luke? Some of the lessons seem like basic Day 1 stuff, so what was he doing with Luke in between seasons? He does all of this training while Din is flying back to Tatooine? I can’t get a grasp on the chronolgy here. I know there’s been a ton of debate about Favreau’s “2 years” comment, but either way, that doesn’t fix the issues here)
5. Din goes straight back to Tatooine to help Boba instead of going to Mandalore (Aside from just zooming back and forth across the entire galaxy for no presented reason and time grinding to a halt, this decision from Din is fine. He already promised Boba he would help him and Din has always been a man of his word)
6. Din fights on Tatooine to stay true to his oath, but WHOA he reunites with Grogu who followed him, and after the battle they jump off to hyperspace. We are left with 0 clues as to where they go or what they intend to do next (We get this whole “solo Din on the apostate’s repentance trail” setup, but then out of nowhere Grogu returns and makes that all seem unnecessary. The first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian were all about how Grogu grows to be Din’s #1 purpose giver, not the Mandalorian clans… So it’s like, wait, does Din even care about being an apostate anymore? He can just stay with Grogu now like he always wanted. Where are they going now? What do they want to do together?)
7. So with Din’s motivations and emotions completely unknown at this point, we learn that offscreen Din meets a Jawa on some unknown planet and that Jawa had already met a random traveler who had somehow made it to the surface of Mandalore and pulled a tome out of the crystal and then sold it to the Jawa and then Din buys that tome… Whew. Then Din, for no apparent reason, goes back to his former Mandalorian clan on their random new rock world hideout, even though he is still a banished apostate, to tell them that he acquired this tome from a Jawa from a traveler who said they made it to the surface. And the Armorer is like, “Ok…? But did you baptise yet?” and Din says no and so is still told to leave, but then he STILL doesn’t go to Mandalore. (Holy crap! This is an absolute mess. First of all, THIS is how we learn that Din still wants to not be an apostate even though he has Grogu again? From an offscreen event? And then Din looks like a complete moron traveling to his old clan to tell them about this third party story with no real information and no actual steps made towards repentance. Grogu is serving no function at all here as he is completely ignored in all of this, so we see that them reuniting changed nothing at all about the plot that was so carefully setup, and learn that Din has reverted back to his secondary motivation of wanting repentance, all through a conversation about an event offscreen.)
8. So now Din goes to Nevarro because he needs IG-11! No other droid will do, that’s the only one he trusts to search for the mines with him. Thankfully, IG-11 is mostly intact, except for one crucial part that would restore his memory. Since no one on the planet has this part, Din leaves empty handed but tells Greef he will be back with the part. (The fact that IG-11 even has any parts usable aside, this is an extremely distracting wrench in the plot structure, and that’s not even considering the whole pirate arc that also gets setup while he’s here. This is where R5 appears somehow, and Grogu is missing from a ton of scenes. This leads me to believe that this whole segment was completely altered in reshoots/post-production.)
9. So Din is apparently now on a mission to search for this part to fix IG before he can go to Mandalore, so hmmm, where will he go to find it? Maybe he will try some scrapyard world like Raxus Pri- wait, what? Why is he suddenly in the Mandalore system? He’s landing on Kalevala from The Clone Wars? So this must be where Bo-Katan is… wait, why does Din think she has or knows where this IG-11 part is? Din lands and… tells her “I’m here to join you in retaking Mandalore”. Uh, ok, that’s new. Bo says no one will follow her without the Darksaber, then Din just says that he is going anyways to explore and he leaves in under 2 minutes. (What the hell is going on? I thought he needed the droid part? Why did he just randomly go to Bo-Katan and want to join her in liberating Mandalore?? Bo-Katan sees Grogu next to him and doesn’t react at all??? Is she not confused how they reunited? Last thing she did with them was that enormously risky quest to rescue Grogu and she saw him leave with LUKE SKYWALKER. Then Din leaves without ever mentioning the droid part and it seems like he is going to Mandalore right now without IG? I am SO lost in this disjointed order of events.)
10. So I guess Din is just suddenly okay with going to the Mines alone without IG since he is already in the Mandalore system and only a few minutes flight away from the planet Mandalo- Oh ok, random scene of Pelli on Tatooine, maybe it’s setting something up with Boba returning to join Din on Mandalore? That would be kind of cool for them to- WHAT?? HOW and WHY is the N1 instantly landing on Tatooine?! Din gets out and tells Pelli he needs the IG11 part…! Wtf is going on?? Why did he go all the way to the Mandalore system to talk to Bo BEFORE getting the droid part if that’s what he still wanted? Now he has to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the system he just came from! But wait! Pelli doesn’t have the part, and the Jawas don’t have it, so she tells him to just take R5 and Din says ok fine. He then flies ALL THE WAY back to Mandalore where he JUST CAME FROM to now go into the Mines with R5 instead of IG… (This is where I gave up on trying to understand what is happening. This order of events is so beyond normal understanding or any form of logical sequencing. And we’re only 5 minutes into Season 3 Episode 2 at this point and we still have an enormous mess of pacing ahead throughout the rest of the season. This is seriously a complete nightmare plot structure.)

Tldr; With those disjointed events that were obviously not intended to be placed in this order and the visual errors showing that R5 and Grogu were originally intended to switch places at certain plot points, it is clear that the reunion was not the original plan and that they had to massively rework Season 3 from top to bottom. It’s like they had originally shot whole planets with R5 and no Grogu at one point, and then re-shot half the scenes again to add Grogu in with a new storyline, but didn’t do a good job as Grogu is still missing from a ton of the new shots and R5 still in the background. This would also mean that Din was supposed to go to Tatooine before episode 2. Din also lands on Nevarro with Grogu still in the bubble instead of the droid port, but then R5 is following him in the next shot… So there are tons of different reshoots and VFX alterations going back and forth and it is a terribly messy presentation. There’s a lot of additional speculation/evidence out there, especially in terms of the S3 ending and some BTS leaks of Gideon scenes that were never used, but wow, from an editor’s standpoint it is crystal clear that this season was so stitched together in post production to become something that is was not originally intended to be.

I found another case of Where’s Grogu? When Din gets captured:

Grogu is right over Din’s right shoulder -

But then 2 seconds later he is nowhere to be found -

And then 2 seconds after that he is hiding behind a piece of rubble and cave wall that is not seen anywhere else -

It’s driving me crazy! You know me, always trying to fix the logical placement of where characters should be. I was able to perfectly correct a few minor mistakes in Seasons 1 & 2 but these are such obvious reshoot scenes or moved around shots that were never supposed to be placed there. It’s impossible to fix!

Thankfully, I’m already removing Grogu from all of this anyways and don’t have to worry about putting him IN where he should be on Nevarro & Mandalore.

Before -

After (this one still needs a little touch up on the structure) -

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I’ll have some video previews of these Grogu-less mines ready in a few days.

arabian said:

Unless I misunderstood, you’re making new versions of Book 1, 2, 3 and 4, along with eventually dropping these books, correct?

Let me clear up the update/release schedule on some of this stuff. Honestly, I’ll say this is up to you guys! In what order do you want me to work on these things?

1. TWoM Book 5: This is what I’m currently working on. I’m ~40% through editing this. Will cover the storyline from my previous post
2. TWoM Book 6: I already edited so much of Boba’s story from my previous Book 5, so this film is already more than halfway completed. It shouldn’t take too long to release since there will be a lot less removing Grogu from stuff.
3. TWoM Book 7: To complete the saga. Covers Din training as a young Mandalorian after coming back from Luke’s academy through the retaking of Mandalore. Haven’t even started on this aside from basic storyboarding.
4. Minor updates to Books 1-3 story: Touch ups to the first few films (Book 1 ending, IG-11 reconstruction scene moving, Book 2 change of pace between Boba and Din scenes, Book 3 altering Boba’s attempted ambush of Din, some other minor touch ups from Arabian’s feedback etc.)?
5. Updating Books 1-4 to 4k: This one is the monstrosity of a task. This is me manually going frame by frame with all new source footage to replace the crappy imports I had when I began this project in 2019. It will take a LONG time. It’s worth doing at some point for sure though.

(And while not directly related to TWoM, below are my other projects currently on hold that I intend to complete. The order in which I work on all this affects my TWoM releases, so again, maybe a few of you guys rank your interest in these projects and I’ll alter priority order for my projects)

6. Bad Batch film edits that pair with EddieDean’s TCW series
7. Legends Sequel Trilogy updates: Have been planning to update these for a while… been years since my last release and there’s a lot more I could do here. See my sig for links to each thread.
8. Legends Kenobi film: I’ve had this on pause for a while since I started talking with PixelJoker95 for his film, he’s doing something truly incredible with the VFX and re-editing and I’ve just been pitching in on his “shadow council” as a lore review guy. I definitely don’t want to release my edit before his comes out.
9. Episode 1: An Ancient Terror: My TPM re-edit, only got through the first couple scenes but have some cool ideas for it. Check out EddieDean’s Community Focus Thread. I’d try and bring a lot of that to life and add in my own ideas too.
10. Andor, the OT, Ahsoka, non-Star Wars series…? Anything else you’d like to see, go ahead and make a suggestion!

I think I’m gonna wait to watch Book 4, and 5 then because I want to rewatch the new versions of 1, 2 and 3 with any changes that we’re discussed. 😃

Well… Not sure yet how I’m planning on releasing it all, so I’d definitely say go ahead and watch the v3 Book 4 now, especially if you have any feedback for a future update. You’ll probably want to watch Book 5 right away when I release unless you all think I shold pause on that and move to something else.

Go ahead and rank those in terms of your personal interest and I’m open to shifting focus to what you all want to see next.

Sent! Feel free to share your thoughts here once you watch!

Thanks for the feedback, all! Seems pretty unanimous that the newly proposed story structure would be a great benefit if I can technically pull it off in a truly believeable way, and so far, I think I can.

I have been rolling ahead with this idea the last couple days and am currently about an hour into the new film. I have a couple VFX shots to go back and work on in that first hour (need to replace an approach to Tatooine with an approach to Nevarro, trying to swap out the planet backdrops), but a lot of that first hour is content that already doesn’t have Grogu from the Mando BoBF storylines. I have a working draft for early S3 Nevarro, and that wasn’t hard at all (Grogu is already missing from some of the scenes as I showed!), but now I’m into the nitty gritty of the Mines. It’s a lot of work, but I think it’s going well though. Modern editing tools are a great blessing and Grogu’s carrier is a near perfect shape to be able to track masks around. I’ll start sharing some demos of the VFX this week and uploading the clips to make sure the edits are “near invisible” as Peon wrote!

Hey, all! Here’s what is going on with Book 5:

I’m torn. I have two versions of the film now… both are radically different from one another. Let me share my discoveries/dilemmas.

Draft 1 is akin to my previous Book 5 containing most of BoBF presented in typical ACBAGEL fashion. This contains the updates to my Boba story I have previously mentioned.

Draft 2 is a completely new film from the ground up. A film solely about Din’s journey without Grogu. This goes straight from his BoBF scenes to his S3 Apostate arc with the Underworld/Pirates as the main antagonist, concluding with him helping Nevarro and then finally going to check on Grogu once he has regained status as a Mandalorian.

The main reason I felt the need for a different vision for the film after I completed Draft 1 was because I started working on Book 6 and something felt very wrong. I couldn’t place Din’s motives together in any sensible way. In BoBF he is back to his purposeless, violent ways of bounty hunting, then learns how he is an apostate and cast away, has no hope that he will ever reuinite with Grogu, so restoring himself before his people is his only purpose. It is very offputting for him to go through this and then just ignore his apostate status and his Mines of Mandalore quest for SO long. If that apostate theme is introduced here as such an impactful and life changing moment, it needs to be addressed and not pushed off for no discenrable reason, because there’s really nothing else Din would do. That’s all he has left.

Let’s consider the D+ series of events:

1. After completing his mission with Grogu, Din goes back to bounty hunting for an undetermined amount of time, finally tracks down his clan, but very quickly admits he violated the creed and is cast out of his clan as an apostate (Love it all, it makes sense and is hugely impactful. It sets up so many possibilities for the future of Din’s story)
2. Din sulks off to Tatooine to get a new ship, supposedly with the intent to go to Mandalore in it? (Sure, that makes sense. If he needs to fly to Mandalore alone, he needs a way to get there and explore to find the mines)
3. While getting his ship, he learns that Boba needs help ASAP and says he will assist, but then suddenly decides he has to visit Grogu immediately (Starting to confuse me here, I can somewhat understand Din wanting to lend Boba a quick favor, they have some mutual respect going on, and Boba doesn’t care about Din’s violation of the creed so Din is comforted by a Mandalorian that accepts him, but the need to go see Grogu RIGHT NOW throws a massive wrench in the pacing. Surely, that can wait? Why does he have to go there right this second? This was where the Disney forced reuinion stuff starts to interfere… With no actual urgency in the plot, Din tells Boba to wait until he gets back and then rushes to check on Grogu. I get it, he misses him and wants to give him the armor, but there’s no reason at all this shouldn’t just happen after the Tatooine battle. [And this is how I have my Book 5 Draft 1 setup, visit Grogu AFTER Tatooine concludes])
4. Din flies across the entire galaxy to check on Grogu, learns he can’t really interfere and immediately leaves. We then see ALL of Grogu’s Jedi training take place in 20 minutes. (Sigh… Great emotional scenes on their own, but again, we learn there truly was no urgency at all to do this right now and it ends up feeling like a distraction. It strips this visit of much of its emotional weight. When he leaves to go right back to Tatooine it’s like… ok, that was touching but kind of pointless in the overall plot structure. It is also VERY confusing how much time passes in these events. How long was Grogu with Luke? Some of the lessons seem very basic Day 1 stuff, so what was he doing with Luke in between seasons? He does all of this training while Din is flying back to Tatooine? I can’t get a grasp on the chronolgy here)
5. Din goes straight back to Tatooine to help Boba instead of going to Mandalore (Aside from just zooming back and forth across the galaxy for no presented reason, this decision from Din is fine, he already promised Boba he would help him and Din has always been a man of his word)
6. Din fights on Tatooine to stay true to his oath, but WHOA he reunites with Grogu who followed him, and after the battle they jump off to hyperspace, and we are left with 0 clue with where they go or intend to do next (I am definitely on the side of Din and Grogu reuniting in BoBF is the worst thing to ever happen in the Mandalorian. No need to beat a dead horse here as many already share that sort of sentiment, and I had always planned to NOT make them reunite here. The other problem is that the “film”/BoBF ends here. We get this whole solo Din on the apostate’s repentance trail setup, but then suddenly Grogu returns and makes that all seem unnecessary. The first 2 seasons were all about how Grogu grows to be Din’s #1 purpose giver, not the Mandalorian clans… So it’s like, wait, does Din even care about being an apostate anymore? He can just stay with Grogu now like he always wanted. Where are they going now? What do they want to do together?)
7. With Din’s motivations and emotions completely unknown at this point, we learn that offscreen Din meets a Jawa on some unknown planet and that Jawa had already met a random traveler who had somehow made it to the surface of Mandalore and pulled a tome out of the crystal and then sold it to the Jawa and then Din buys that tome… Whew. Then Din, for no apparent reason, goes back to his former Mandalorian clan on their random new rock world hideout, even though he is still a banished apostate, to tell them that he acquired this tome from a Jawa from a traveler who said they made it to the surface. And the Armorer is like, “Ok…? But did you baptise yet?” and Din says no and so is still told to leave, but then he STILL doesn’t go to Mandalore. (Holy crap! This is an absolute mess. First of all, THIS is how we learn that Din still wants to not be an apostate even though he has Grogu again? From an offscreen event? And then Din looks like a complete moron traveling to his old clan to tell them about this third party story with no real information and no actual steps made towards repentance. I mean, this is beyond awful. Grogu is serving no function here as he is completely ignored in all of this, we see that them reuniting changed nothing at all about the plot that was so carefully setup, and that Din just reverts back to his secondary motivation of wanting repentance without showing us anything on screen. No character growth at all for him and Grogu and an absolute mess of his character arc is unfolding)
8. So now Din goes to Nevarro because he NEEDS IG-11! No other droid will do, that’s the only one he trusts to search for the mines with him. Thankfully, IG-11 is mostly intact, except for one crucial part that would restore his memory. Since no one on the planet has this part, Din leaves empty handed but tells Greef he will be back with the part. (More yikes, that fact that IG-11 even has any parts usable aside, this is so forced in… We haven’t seen IG-11 on screen for years. Years in real life and years in the show. But Din NEEDS him right now! He can’t find the mines without him specifically, but not really, he just wants him. Another extremely distracting wrench in the plot structure, and that’s not even considering the whole pirate arc that gets setup while he’s here.)

(Am I missing something here? How is R5 already following Din on Nevarro? Season 3 Episode 1 right after they land and walk. Din doesn’t even pickup R5 from Pelli until the next episode. Also, there are a TON of scenes where Grogu completely vanishes from sight. Like one shot he’s hovering right next to Din’s hip, the next he is nowhere to be found. Here he is clearly to the left of Greef, and then POOF he is gone again, but then in the VERY NEXT SHOT he is directly behind them walking but his compositing and color on the scene looks super wonky. It makes even less sense when you see it play out in video form rather than these stills. I mean there’s at least 5 instances of this where he should be there on the screen based on his previous placement but he’s not, and this occurs throughout all of Nevarro. Am I losing my mind with all this or is this evidence of some massive scene rearranging going on from Disney last minute? It’s like they had originally shot the whole planet with R5 and no Grogu at one point, and then re-shot half the scenes again to add Grogu in with a new storyline, but didn’t do a good job as Grogu is still missing from a ton of the new shots. This would also mean that Din was supposed to go to Tatooine before episode 2. Din also lands on Nevarro with Grogu still in the bubble instead of the droid port, but then R5 is following him in the next shot… So there are tons of different reshoots and VFX alterations going back and forth and it is a terribly messy presentation. This is just at first glance of my editing too, I’m sure there’s a ton more wrong here if you go frame by frame on this world.)

9. So Din is apparently now searching for this part to fix IG before he can go to Mandalore, so hmmm, where will he go to find it? Maybe he will try some scrapyard world like Raxus Pri- wait, what? Why is he suddenly in the Mandalore system? He’s landing on Kalevala from The Clone Wars? So this must be where Bo-Katan is… wait why does Din think she has or knows where the IG-11 part is? Din tells her that he wishes to join her in going to Mandalore. She says no one will follow her without the Darksaber, then Din just says that he is going anyways and leaves in under 2 minutes. (What the hell is going on? I thought he needed the droid part? Why did he just randomly go to Bo-Katan and want to join her in liberating Mandalore?? Bo-Katan sees Grogu next to him and doesn’t react at all??? Is she not confused how they reunited? Last thing she did with them was that enormously risky quest to rescue Grogu and she saw him leave with LUKE SKYWALKER. Then Din leaves without ever mentioning the droid and it seems like he is going to Mandalore right now without him? I am SO lost in this disjointed order of events.)
10. So I guess Din is just suddenly okay with going to the Mines alone without IG since he is only a few minutes flight away from Mandalo- Oh ok, random scene of Pelli on Tatooine, maybe it’s setting something up with Boba returning to join Din on Mandalore? That would be kind of cool for them to- WHAT?? How and WHY is the N1 instantly landing on Tatooine?! Din gets out and tells Pelli he needs the IG11 part…! Wtf is going on?? Why did he go right to the Mandalore system to talk to Bo BEFORE getting the droid part if that’s what he still wanted? Now he has to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the system he just came from! But wait! She doesn’t have the part, and the Jawas don’t have it, so she tells him to just take R5 and Din says ok fine I guess. He then flies ALL THE WAY back to Mandalore where he JUST CAME FROM to now go into the Mines with R5 instead of IG…??? (And this is where I gave up. This order of events is so beyond understanding or any form of logical sequencing it’s not even possible to edit this into anything sensible without RADICAL changes. And we’re only 5 minutes into Season 3 Episode 2 at this point and still have an enormous mess of pacing ahead throughout the rest of the season. This is seriously a complete nightmare plot structure. It is unsalvagable in its current form.)

Din’s apostasy happens in point #1 there and isn’t even resolved through EVERYTHING I wrote there. So so so many random events and distractions, nonsensical plot structure, and blatant mental errors. That is why I had a meltdown after Book 5 Draft 1 and starting to build Book 6.

Let me propose to you an alternative solution:

Book 5 Draft 2:

1. Din’s Ringworld story, he hunts the bounty, and we see what Din is like absent of Grogu. He has reverted back to his old brutal, somewhat purposeless self. Din is banished and I add in dialogue from Mando S3 from Armorer so he has a crystal clear picture of how he can be restored (this just avoids him going to that Rock planet to have a 95% identical conversation that makes him look like a moron).
2. Din takes a transport ship from Ringworld to Nevarro, where we get the scene of him and Greef discussing his desire to fix IG-11 to search the Mines with him. Din is lonely and he is seeking any resemblance of companionship as he feels like he has lost everything. He learns that this task to restore IG-11 is a fools errand and there is no way to achieve what he wants. The man is extremely depressed and hopelessly alone now. He runs into the subsequent trouble with the Pirates on the surface just to add onto his neverending trials. Mando then leaves on another transport ship to go to Tatooine to get his new Razorcrest so he can explore Mandalore.
3. When Din gets to Tatooine, we now get the Pelli building N1 sequence. During the test flight, Din encounters Gorian Shand’s pirates above Tatooine. We get the dogfight scene as in S3 with him testing out the new N1, before he lands back on Tatooine and gets R5 instead.
4. Din, still searching for companionship, goes to Bo-Katan as she is right next to Mandalore where he is headed anyways. She rejects him too, and again, Din sulks off completely alone in his suffering. The rest of the mines play out without Grogu. He gets captured alone and all hope is lost, he has resigned himself to die. (This also explains why he doesn’t even try to fight the freaky droid or try to break out later, he has lost all will to even live)
5. R5 notices Din isn’t coming back to the ship, so he jets out by himself and returns to Bo’s castle. She has a change of heart, curious to see Mandalore for herself, and goes to save Din alone. The rest of the Mines and baptisms play out.
6. Now restored, Bo takes Din back to his ship on Kalevala, only for them to be ambushed and the whole castle to be bombed by Imperials. Din and Bo then escape to the Mando clan rock planet (for the first time now) and she is introduced to the Watch as they are both accepted into the clan.
7. Nevarro is suddenly attacked by the Pirates that have been dogging Din throughout the film and we play out the final storyline of the Mandalorian clan retaking that world as a temporary home. Bo is given a task to go reunite the clans under this new hope for Mandalore, and Din, not only again a Mandalorian, but a Mandalorian hero carrying the Darksaber to bring them all to Mandalore, goes to see Grogu, his true desire, only to realize that he still can’t be with him and has to leave after delivering the armor as we get a tiny glimpse of Grogu training his new Jedi powers. The end.

Having the Nevarro retaking happen as the conclusion of Book 5 serves a few purposes. The first is that it brings the pirates into the story to fulfill the role of the villain for this film which some of Season 3 was lacking as it bounced around random storylines. We open the film with Din hunting criminals, he is attacked by pirates, and then he brings the clan together to save Nevarro from pirate invasion, all while going on a full character arc of personal redemption. We now have a clear and concise antagonist that helps give Din’s journey some guidance. Second, this gives the Mandalorains more agency and power up front, fortelling their strength in being able to retake Mandalore at some point down the road.

I still have to storyboard exactly how Book 6 and 7 would play out on their own now, but essentially, Book 6 would be Grogu training with Luke, Din and Bo reuniting the rest of the clans to prepare to retake Mandalore, and BoBF Boba content (now I can also consider the possibility to have Din and Grogu reunite during this Tatooine battle, as it actually feels like time has passed and each character has grown and changed significantly since they departed one another. We also can see how much Grogu learned from Luke as we’ve seen him train across 2 films and then come in to subdue the Rancor which is an awesome new display of strength). I am considering interweaving Pershing’s storyline throughout a Book 6 as well. Book 7 then addresses Grogu training as a Mandalorian after already training as a Jedi, and then everything to do with retaking Mandalore.

Would love to hear some thoughts on all this! I really like how it gives Din a very personal journey in Book 5, paces out Grogu’s training SO much better through the entirety of 2 films as we really feel his absence, sets up a natural growth of power for the clans reuniting and retaking Mandalore across 3 films, and gives Boba’s final scenes some closure instead of feeling like he just gets written out of the story for all of Season 3.

Awesome! Well deserved. Changed The Clone Wars experience forever!

deagan said:

Acbagel said:
Also, Deagan, what did you think of the Shadow Council scene as a first time viewer? That’s the scene with old imperial officers talking about their future plans/needs. Did the placement work for you? I moved it up in the series to give us a better picture of the state of the Empire compared to where it originally was placed.

I tend to zone out during these sort of council/politic meetings, even watching the prequels (haha). I’m not too sure what “Pershing” is, or what they were getting at with “cloning” (sorry lul), but I don’t think its placement detracted from the story at all - it’s a good break from the action to check in on Gideon. Perhaps I’m not following the story too well, but this just felt like an introduction to a complex group whose plans would be better explained in time.

If anyone has watched Naruto Shippuden, they do a similar meeting with The Akatsuki to introduce the group’s goals, then they expand on the stories of each antagonist in later episodes.

https://youtu.be/moyStmyqQ_w

arabian said:
…with the mention of “I need protection, and we have to get rid of Mandalorians, and Pershing’s research is gone.” I mean, up to the scene prior, all we as the audience knew everyone thought Gideon was dead so WHY would he suddenly need like a ton of continued protection, the covert Mandalorians are all scattered now, and the Pershing message was literally sent 3 days ago where he said ‘I’m still working on it, boss! I’ll do better.’

While I agree with @Arabian that at that moment it seems the Mandalorians have dispersed, my impression was that the Shadow Council was getting close to finding them, and the meeting was ultimately for them to agree to get rid of the “pests.” Seeing as in Book 4, our protagonists successfully breach Gideon’s ship, maybe he was right to request protection from the Council?

As long as ACBagel has a plan to flesh out this group in future Books, I think this scene could pretty much fit anywhere as a breather.

Excited to see what you have next, love the films!

Thanks for the feedback on this, very helpful to read. The “Shadow Council” is something that was established in old Star Wars lore, and is something we get another glimpse of in this Mandalorian story. We get to see the goings on of one particular member of the Council, Moff Gideon, while others (for example, Moff Pellaeon and Admiral Thrawn) are going to be covered in future Star Wars shows (the coming Ahsoka show in August). So the main purpose is just to get a view of Moff Gideon’s tie in to the workings of the Council as a whole.

I’m still leaning toward removing Boba from this scene, as I don’t understand why he is in it. If he shoots Din, he should be fully ready to fight and retrieve his armor, but he just retreats. It felt like Boba gave up on retrieving his armor, because he was intimidated by Din’s ability to beat up some little raiders, but he could have sniped him and moved closer to his armor.

I’m not sure what the solution would be, but I was a bit confused as to why he retreated, even after trying to kill Din.

¯_(ツ)_/¯ Just my two cents!

That makes sense. However, on the flip side, the actual show just has Boba watch Din walk away with the armor and never confront him at all. I don’t know what is worse now since we are presented 3 choices:

1. Boba watches Din and never engages him (the Disney version)
2. Boba snipes at Din but lets him go rather than revealing himself (Acbagel version)
3. Cut out all scenes of Boba in this segment (Deagan proposal)

Unfortunately, all 3 have issues. The main problem with #1 is why would Boba peacefully watch Din leave with his armor? The main problem with #2 is similar, but why does Boba not engage Din in battle personally right there on the spot after shooting at him? The main problem with #3 is that we now present a scenario where Boba is completely unaware that Din, another Mandalorian, is on Tatooine at all. Further, Boba is actively searching for his armor, which Din finds before him, but then Boba never discovers that Din found the armor, so how does Boba know how to track him down later in the show to confront him about the armor?

Any other solutions that we’re not thinking of here?

I have completed the first draft of Book 5, going through the bug & story review phase right now, so we’re still looking good for a this week release. That final battle ended up being a doozy to edit! Had some details I needed to keep consistent throughout the battle and it was a maze of scenes to reorder. I’ll probably have some storyline changes to make so I won’t post the changelog until I get all the finer points worked out, but it’s getting close.

arabian said:

Acbagel said:

arabian said:

Also with regards to Book 5, I also hope that you are leaning more towards including the Pershing stuff, with the final lobotomy scene towards the end. And keeping the Shadow Council scene in Book 5 because I really don’t think it worked in Book 3. (Although, I do know you did a lot of work on Gideon’s hair.)

Are you meaning to say put the Pershing stuff in Book 6? And then add a Book 7? Book 5 is what I’m working on now which is largely the BoBF content and some other Mando stuff.

I don’t know how you’re doing it – and it sounds like you have some exciting plans – but just interweaving the Pershing stuff into the plot, and have the final lobotomy scene with Pershing come into play as a consequence of what side you choose. Many said there was no reason for the Pershing storyline, but I disagree. I DO think it should have been integrated throughout the entire season instead of just a one-off episode, but I think it did have a purpose. And I think that by weaving it throughout will show that purpose.

Pershing chose the wrong side; he chose the Empire (even the remnants), and in the end, we see the consequences of many getting happy results of not doing so (Carga–who only “worked” with Gideon to keep Nevarro safe and then turned against him right away, the Mandalorians getting a home, etc.) and those who didn’t (Gideon) and, of course, Pershing. So when we get our resolution scenes towards the end including the Pershing lobotomy scene, I thought it would add this bitter note, yeah, this is what happens when you stick with the Empire too long… and that those remnants still remain alive and kicking.

Now that I’ve got a full picture of Book 5, I’m officially starting Book 6 production! Hope to answer many of these questions soon. As I like to do, I am going to look for my ending first and then work backwards. My two options are to start with the Nevarro ending and work back from there, trying to extend everything to a Book 6 & 7, or to use the Season 3 ending and work backwards from there.

At this point, I think I am leaning towards a 2-book ending rather than shoving everything into 1 movie. For Book 5, I ended up using very little Luke/Grogu content so I have a good amount of that to show throughout Book 6 to fill in for the weaker parts of Season 3. Not yet sure if that would bump Pershing stuff into Book 7. Running an A/B/C plot with Grogu, Din, AND Pershing in one movie might get a little crowded.

Big Man Toe said:

Acbagel said:

Big Man Toe said:

Working on Book 5? Have you already finished Book 4? Damn you work quick

Yes! I released Book 4 on May the 4th! Been a LOT of late nights getting this series updated, but it’s been worth it.

I’m actually having a ton of fun re-editing Book 5. There was so much untapped potential there that I hadn’t realized before. I’m about 1 hour 30 minutes through the film so far and am anticipating a ~2 hour 10 minutes runtime? So I’m definitely more than halfway, and with such a big chunk of the ending being combat rather than new story, I should make it through the last Act faster than the first 2. I am very confident you guys will be pleased with the new story. It definitely does a gritty, crimeworld Boba Fett justice. And having Mando S3 at my fingertips has helped on Din’s scenes.

I know there’s a lot of talk about a Book 6 or 7 ending, but I just still don’t know yet. I like to let the story write itself rather than me forcing something either way. I love the Pershing storyline and think re-editing that in a new way to lead up to Gideon’s return sounds awesome, but I want a natural flow for the return to Mandalore and just haven’t gotten to the nitty gritty storyboarding of it all yet. Now that I have a clear picture of how my Book 5 is about to end, I am starting to get to seeing a vision for Season 3 content, but the major decisions are still yet to be made. I need to do a full rewatch of Season 3 first too.

Wow I do wanna say your fanedits of Mando and BOBF are my favourite so far. And I would also love a link to Book 4.

Well, thanks! I’m glad you enjoy them. I love Star Wars and would make these just for myself even if I had no one to share with. But it’s a huge honor and pleasure to be able to spread my excitement and my vision with others. Sent you the latest movie

Big Man Toe said:

Working on Book 5? Have you already finished Book 4? Damn you work quick

Yes! I released Book 4 on May the 4th! Been a LOT of late nights getting this series updated, but it’s been worth it.

I’m actually having a ton of fun re-editing Book 5. There was so much untapped potential there that I hadn’t realized before. I’m about 1 hour 30 minutes through the film so far and am anticipating a ~2 hour 10 minutes runtime? So I’m definitely more than halfway, and with such a big chunk of the ending being combat rather than new story, I should make it through the last Act faster than the first 2. I am very confident you guys will be pleased with the new story. It definitely does a gritty, crimeworld Boba Fett justice. And having Mando S3 at my fingertips has helped on Din’s scenes.

I know there’s a lot of talk about a Book 6 or 7 ending, but I just still don’t know yet. I like to let the story write itself rather than me forcing something either way. I love the Pershing storyline and think re-editing that in a new way to lead up to Gideon’s return sounds awesome, but I want a natural flow for the return to Mandalore and just haven’t gotten to the nitty gritty storyboarding of it all yet. Now that I have a clear picture of how my Book 5 is about to end, I am starting to get to seeing a vision for Season 3 content, but the major decisions are still yet to be made. I need to do a full rewatch of Season 3 first too.

EddieDean said:

Acbagel said:

EddieDean said:

Here’s a video clip including both edits.

I got around the Greef situation by just cutting more. It’s not implicit that Greef is meeting Mando a long journey away from the city, so we don’t need travel scenes. Greef begins with his bodyguards, which is sensible even with this interpretation, since they did leave each other on bad terms. That’s the purpose they serve here, then we don’t need to see them again. Then I flipped the scenes so that Greef asks to see Grogu first - and the tension dissipating there as we see that he also genuinely cares for Grogu is what sells us on the fact that they’re now not going to get into conflict. Greef just seems legitimate. Then they talk about the situation a little, but Mando just says “I have a plan.” (I know you like it when we just get straight into the plan, rather than explaining it first!) We then have a quick montage, then just cut straight to Greef escorting Mando to the Imperials - if we notice Greef’s injury, we can assume he faked it to make it look like his capture of Mando was legit. A smooth musical transition helps sell this all too.

For the second scene, “You just got your bell rung, you’ll be alright” is a legitimate statement, rather than Cara being actually worried about his mortality. The flamer then immediately attacks, so we don’t waste any time with them forcing an emotional scene. Grogu works his magic, and IG opens the grate then picks up Grogu. Again the music then carries us to the scene of Mando walking - we don’t need a wipe. Mando updates them on the situation as he’s struggling, then he stops and tells them he can stand. He’s now OK, and has recovered from essentially just a temporarily disorienting knock to the head.

I don’t massively feel like that’s the turning point for him not hating droids - I always felt like that was more of an odd prejudice (plus IG is an assassin droid) that he just gradually gets over.

Interesting, that’s a solid edit and your cuts do work well enough that the concept could work. However, my next concern is that if I do end up altering the ending anyways, we are already looking at a 1 hour 57 minute runtime. Cutting out so much more would be pushing this film too far into the shorter end and I really don’t feel like it slows down too badly anywhere as is. If I were running long, I would definitely feel stronger about cutting there, but the runtime is spot on where I like it and it’s not like those scenes are necessarily bad.

Not so! This is from your book 2, which clocks in longer than the rest at 2:15. So it’s not massively longer, but I do think that both of those scenes hurt the pacing in an already oddly slowly paced finale.

Oh! You’re right, I’m mixing up my own films now. Yes, actually that Book 2 did drag on some so I am back in favor of shortening those scenes. Also, I think we discussed in DMs once, but the Grogu healing thing is pretty wack. I was willing to give it a pass orginally just because it was Yoda’s species and they’re so shrouded in mystery and a unique connection to the force, but they never went any further into his healing ability throughout the next 2 seasons. I am pro-cutting that scene. It also lessens the impact of him blocking the fire later since it’s 2 miracles in 20 minutes.

I loved your book 5, so what you’re saying about it there sounds very exciting!

I’m bringing back the Hutts in a whole new way. I can’t yet write out how it’s all going to play out as I’m still rewriting the Hutt dialogue to tie into the story better, but I’ve got some crazy twists and turns planned. Boba’s reign is going to have a completely different tone. He will be pretty well established to start, and then it slowly starts to break down as the Pyke chaos begins to set in and we see a need for his reliance on the Mandalorians which is such a major theme of The Way of Mandalore. Again, his story will be interwoven with Din’s journey. What makes me the most sad is that it is such a shame that Boba was not in Mando Season 3 content at all. Hopefully we get a Book of Boba Season 2 for a Book 7/8 Way of Mandalore?

EddieDean said:

Here’s a video clip including both edits.

I got around the Greef situation by just cutting more. It’s not implicit that Greef is meeting Mando a long journey away from the city, so we don’t need travel scenes. Greef begins with his bodyguards, which is sensible even with this interpretation, since they did leave each other on bad terms. That’s the purpose they serve here, then we don’t need to see them again. Then I flipped the scenes so that Greef asks to see Grogu first - and the tension dissipating there as we see that he also genuinely cares for Grogu is what sells us on the fact that they’re now not going to get into conflict. Greef just seems legitimate. Then they talk about the situation a little, but Mando just says “I have a plan.” (I know you like it when we just get straight into the plan, rather than explaining it first!) We then have a quick montage, then just cut straight to Greef escorting Mando to the Imperials - if we notice Greef’s injury, we can assume he faked it to make it look like his capture of Mando was legit. A smooth musical transition helps sell this all too.

For the second scene, “You just got your bell rung, you’ll be alright” is a legitimate statement, rather than Cara being actually worried about his mortality. The flamer then immediately attacks, so we don’t waste any time with them forcing an emotional scene. Grogu works his magic, and IG opens the grate then picks up Grogu. Again the music then carries us to the scene of Mando walking - we don’t need a wipe. Mando updates them on the situation as he’s struggling, then he stops and tells them he can stand. He’s now OK, and has recovered from essentially just a temporarily disorienting knock to the head.

I don’t massively feel like that’s the turning point for him not hating droids - I always felt like that was more of an odd prejudice (plus IG is an assassin droid) that he just gradually gets over.

Interesting, that’s a solid edit and your cuts do work well enough that the concept could work. However, my next concern is that if I do end up altering the ending anyways, we are already looking at a 1 hour 57 minute runtime. Cutting out so much more would be pushing this film too far into the shorter end and I really don’t feel like it slows down too badly anywhere as is. If I were running long, I would definitely feel stronger about cutting there, but the runtime is spot on where I like it and it’s not like those scenes are necessarily bad.

arabian said:

Also with regards to Book 5, I also hope that you are leaning more towards including the Pershing stuff, with the final lobotomy scene towards the end. And keeping the Shadow Council scene in Book 5 because I really don’t think it worked in Book 3. (Although, I do know you did a lot of work on Gideon’s hair.)

Are you meaning to say put the Pershing stuff in Book 6? And then add a Book 7? Book 5 is what I’m working on now which is largely the BoBF content and some other Mando stuff.

Also, Deagan, what did you think of the Shadow Council scene as a first time viewer? That’s the scene with old imperial officers talking about their future plans/needs. Did the placement work for you? I moved it up in the series to give us a better picture of the state of the Empire compared to where it originally was placed.

Regarding Book 5 production… Whew! I am giving this one a massive overhaul. I didn’t expect to need to do so, but I really, really want to nail Boba Fett as the crime lord we all wanted to see. I think I’ve got something special here folks. My last version worked, but this one is completely fresh with brand new ideas. Really pushing the limits of how much I can alter this storyline. You’ll need to wipe all your previous knowledge of this story going in and just let it play out in a whole new way! I am still hammering out the details, but I’ll get to building the changelog soon. I probably have another week of work to do on this film before it’ll be ready to release. But I’m excited!

EddieDean said:

Also, I made my own cut of your current Book 2, which removed Greef’s intended betrayal and the fireside scene (Mando just says “I have a plan” at their first meeting and we cut to him in cuffs meeting Werner Herzog), and also removed Mando needing to take off his helmet (he just “gets his head dinged” but then after the team open the sewer vent he’s walking - with help, through the tunnels). I found that both of these worked nicely to improve the pacing in that sequence.

How did you work around Greef’s guards and the number of Blurrgs? I remember that was the main reason I couldn’t skip around the night time scene.

I’m interested in seeing your rendition of the Din head injury. Do you feel that he still has the proper motivation to retract his hatred of droids without this experience with IG11? Especially considering one of the coming scenes he is visibly distraught over IG sacrificing himself. Something has to change him to go from hating IG to being concerned for him.

BbqChkn said:

Hello there! If at all possible, I would love to see all three of your edit for the sequels. Would I be able to get a link from you for them?

Sent, feel free to post reviews in their respective threads! Hope you enjoy

Hey, folks! I’m back after some time traveling for work, you’ve all been popping off with the feedback! Thanks, there’s so much to respond to, I won’t be able to address it all at once but you’ve given me quite a bit to ponder.

EddieDean said:

Thank you both for the kind words. It’s been a privilege working with Acbagel, who has impeccable technical skill and a real eye for the fine detail of making each scene feel great.

Acbagel, I really think it’s worth considering making two films. Your early intercutting sounds great, I think you really could close out that sequence with the pirate king content, as it’s such a punctual high that changes the status quo and feels earned.

And while Pershing’s content isn’t massively linked to the main plot, it IS at least foreshadowing for the reveal of Gideon’s clones. I think it could intercut with the remainder of the season to create a fantastic second movie focused purely on the return to Mandalore and Gideon’s role in it. And plus, it would pad the time nicely between the pirate king stuff (we found a home on Nevarro!) with the following stuff (actually, we’d prefer a home on Mandalore!)

I really feel like if you got a rough cut of that together it’d give you the sense that the season really works nicely as two films.

I strongly urge you to consider this!

I will indeed consider a 2-movie format for my ending. I am getting closer to working with that content, but still currently in Book 5 material. I haven’t had much time the last few days, but I’ve been trying to sort out which Luke/Grogu scenes to place in Book 5 vs 6. Definitely making progress on some new structure.

WtarSars said:

Check out this mandalorian fan edit trailer! https://youtu.be/kQUiHTCTSi0

Is this your work? You should probably make your own thread for this and share your ideas with this community. I’d love to follow your progress and watch your vision of this story one day.

arabian said:

OK, I watched Book 1 and I haz notes.
…

Arabian, I really appreciate you writing out all of these detailed notes for the first 3 films! That’s some good stuff. I will return to these posts in the near future to consider integrating some of your ideas in a future 4k release. In general though:

Book 1: I will consider altering the ending of this film. The ball into hyperspace scene is just so classic and punchy, it felt like too “easy” of an ending for me haha. That’s why I went with a softer, more peaceful approach with the Sorgan landing. But I’m not 100% sold on it and it is probably best for the first film in a saga to end traditionally like you suggested. And the Kuiil/IG-11 rebuild placement has always given me trouble. It felt unnatural to place it anywhere… Maybe that just means it’s not needed at all in either Book 1 or 2?

Book 2: Regarding the balance of the the Boba screen time vs Din screen time in Act 1. I really don’t know how to entirely solve that as the two need to cross paths chronologically in Act 2. Boba simply has 2x-3x more content to show before they reach this point though. EddieDean and I tried 3 or 4 different iterations of this opening storyline, even experimented with giving Din the full Sorgan raider plot (this just made the movie drag on WAY too long). However, your suggestion about Book 1’s new ending would give me more Din time to play with in Book 2, and some of your notes on the “connective tissue” between scenes might help with this too. I think it’s worth another shot in the future to try to address some of this. Either way though, the Boba v Din screen time balance flips the other way in Act 3 as they didn’t film content in BoBF that takes place here. So right now it’s like Act 1 = Boba heavy, Act 2 = Even Boba/Din, Act 3 = Din heavy. I thought that overall balance of the entire film worked at least.

Book 3:

deagan said:

I finished Books 3 & 4 and love these film edits! Reading @arabian’s comments, I thought I may echo some things. Note, I haven’t watched the Mandalorian show at all, and this is my first time watching the show (via your film edits)!

• I was a little confused at Boba aiming at Mando in the desert and then him walking away but I think that was from the show. Yes? No?

I too was quite confused by this scene. Mando fights a bunch of raiders after being shot by Boba, but then Boba just walks off? Perhaps removing Boba from this scene completely would suffice. Mando gets shot by raiders, and fights them off.

First of all, hello Deagan! What an interesting perspective you bring in watching this content for the first time in my edit. That’s quite an honor for me, and I really appreciate you sharing your views after that unique experience.

To address that quoted scene above, that you and Arabian both mentioned, perhaps I trusted super-nerd knowledge too much here. Boba Fett is the one who fires that shot at Din. You see him aiming the Tusken Cycler rifle from up high in the rocks, and then you hear the iconic crack! that only that type of rifle makes, followed by the signature orange blaster bolt coming from the top left angle that Boba just fired from. He is the one who shoots Din, followed by the raiders then coming in to do the dirty work on the ground. But perhaps if that isn’t clear enough to a first time viewer, I can add another scene of a close up on Boba firing the shot with a muzzle flash so we can actually see it happen. I was wanting to go for an element of surprise, but confusion should never be the end result. So actually, in the original show, Boba just watches Din fight the Krayt Dragon and then walks away. He never intervenes. I wanted to give him some more individual agency and show how he is pursuing his armor which is why I created this new ambush sequence.

• Oooh, I loved how you went from Boba telling Fennic “don’t touch my buttons” at the Sarlac pit to Mando trying to get Grogu to "touch his buttons’ and fix the Razorcrest and failing miserably. Beautiful connective tissue between those two scenes!

Thanks, Arabian, these are instances that I should try and focus more on finding to connect other transitions, especially in Book 2.

Another thing I noticed for this part, is that Boba says “I can’t see a thing!” entering the Sarlac pit, then immediately turns on the light of their ship. This felt a bit redundant and out-of-character, wouldn’t Boba the brooding and intelligent bounty hunter just turn on the light quietly?

“OMG, it’s so dark inside of this monster rnrn, omg!” turns on flashlight

Haha that’s a great point deagan. It does really feel like the script writer is force feeding Boba a line to say rather than something natural to actually deliver here. I can cut that!

I too was a bit confused by this character. Pel says “With my life.” then the film cuts to a conversation with a similar fish-person talking to Gideon about tracking Mando. Was the fish-person that Pel trusted telling the Empire of their location, or was it just coincidence that they were talking to a similar fish-person? If this fish lady did have more scenes, it may be good to add them to the film, to show that she can indeed be trusted alone with Grogu. When Mando gave Grogu to her, I thought she was a traitor, but Grogu just plays with their fish lizard baby thingy, safe and sound.

Oh, very interesting! So these are actually two distinct characters of completely different species. The good frog-lady is a new species, but the Imperial spy is a different species that has been in a decent amount of other Star Wars content. Now, you do have a good excuse here as we only see this spy through that hologram shot so it’s not as clear, but I think on reviewing the appearance of the two characters you can see that they aren’t really alike? Other than changing scene order of this spy scene, I’m not sure how else I could make it more clear, but I don’t think it should be a problem? Is it less confusing after seeing these images though?

Thanks again all, I will get back to some of the other comments at a later date. I want to keep making progress on Book 5 for you!

May the Book 4th be with you. Links sent!

arabian said:

Just read this whole thread. Very interesting seeing all the changes and loved reading EddieDean’s input - such a brilliant SW mind.

Indeed, Eddie has come in clutch through this whole series, helping me catch bugs in my drafts, pitching new ideas and radical changes. Brings in so much experience from the Clone Wars project he mastered, it’s been great to bounce ideas off him and has improved this saga significantly.

Acbagel, I’d like to see the latest versions of these that you have done, please

And I have a suggestion for season 03, re the Pershing episode. Since many of us agree that it was well-written and handled well, I think enough of it (with some judicious trimming) can work. Cut the ep in blocks and spread the scenes between what is going on in Nevarro/Mandalore, with Mando, Bo-Katan, etc. Then have the final scene in this story be Kane lobotomizing Pershing. That’s your final beat. That is the why of that story. THIS is how awful the Empire is. You can’t escape. You can never escape. Even if you try. Once you’re in, there is no out.

I did have it interwoven throughout the whole film like you mentioned, up until the last episode of Mando Season 3 came out and there was no tie in at all to the larger story. The problem is that I have already intercut Din’s solo adventures and Grogu’s training into an A/B plotline through the first half of the film. Having an A/B/C plot structure with Pershing in there when Pershing never ties back into the A & B plots was super distracting. Which is a shame, because as I’ve said, I really liked those scenes. Maybe I’ll get a new spark of creativity and find a solution, but I need to get a better hold of my Season 3 film top to bottom first. It’s already looking on the ong end and I need to go through everything from scratch and decide what is needed to tell a focused narrative.

aleccaruana said:

I watched your first chapter and it’s overall my favorite feature-length ‘first’ Mandalorian film in terms of overall story and visuals. Just a few suggestions:

Wow! That’s high praise, thanks for that. I am most pleased that you had a good time with it. I hope your experience remains the same through the rest of my saga!

1. Love that you kept the opening bounty scene for characterization, but it could be further trimmed. Just cut from them walking to the razorcrest to the ship flying away, and then show Mando freezing him in carbonite and pan out to show all of the frozen bounties - this shows how successful and no-nonsense he is and tees up the offloading scene nicely.

I actually did have it almost exactly how you wrote there, but upon review, I needed just a tiny bit of characterization from the bounty since he reappears later on in the story and it is clear that the viewer is intended to know him. I also edit these movies with the idea that my viewers are going in totally fresh, with no prior knowledge of the episodes as if they are seeing this content for the first time ever. So I really liked the line we get from him about Din not taking his helmet off. That would be the first time we learn about this character trait and it is quite intriguing from the get go.

2. Trim down the Jawa + repairs sequence even more if you could. It gets a little slow in the second act.

Was there a scene in particular that seemed to drag on? The credits roll at 1 hour 59 minutes, so I don’t think the overall runtime is an issue, but if there is a specific moment that seems like it should move along I can consider another minor trim.

3. I agree that you need a third act after moving the wetlands to film two (the final sequence where they leave Nevaro is the best ‘film one’ ending beat in my opinion, so good idea). But the stakes of the prisoners arc are way too low and we don’t really get the sense that Mando is worried about Grogu if he’s willing to literally leave him in the hands of imperials on the planet. The idea that his interaction with the covert and memories of his own situation as a foundling increase the urgency of the rescue makes more sense. Also, Pershing shouldn’t have access to Grogu for more than a day or so, otherwise they would have the blood they need and Gideon would have no reason to recover him in season 2. I suggest that you have the prisoners episode happen on the way back from Arvala-7 to Navaro. It would still achieve the goal of making it clear that Mando is fed up with bounty hunting, but the catharsis at the end of the arc would be that he gets to go back to Grogu and reckon more with his decision to turn Grogu in.

I think the purpose of Act 2 (Prisoner bounty) is to show the monotony of the life Din is in. The low stakes of just another bounty and another day in the life hammer in his desire for something more, and he is able to later find that in Grogu. Yes, I also wish I had something a little higher stakes to work with, but Mando Season 1 is mostly made of slower side adventures, and I still think the prisoner storyline provides the best look into Din as a person and shows why he is tired of the bounty hunting lifestyle.

I suggest that you have the prisoners episode happen on the way back from Arvala-7 to Navaro.

Unfortunately, this is not an option due to the modifications on Din’s armor throughout the season. I am restricted to a certain order because of the in your face visuals. If I went straight from Arvala to the prisoner heist, Din would instantly appear in the next scene with a full cuirass of beskar armor that he hasn’t even received the materials for yet. I also don’t know how I’d play out why he even goes to do that bounty when he still has Grogu that he needs to turn in.

Also, Pershing shouldn’t have access to Grogu for more than a day or so, otherwise they would have the blood they need and Gideon would have no reason to recover him in season 2 It would still achieve the goal of making it clear that Mando is fed up with bounty hunting, but the catharsis at the end of the arc would be that he gets to go back to Grogu and reckon more with his decision to turn Grogu in.

Well I can do a double bag red blood cell donation in under 10 minutes haha, so I think either way Pershing has time to collect initial samples to begin research. We have no idea what Pershing was exactly doing with the blood or precisely how much he needed. We only know that he needed access to Grogu again because the initial samples were no longer viable to produce the desired results. There are a million different reasons why this could be the case.

Thanks for your feedback and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the other films as well. I’ll post here again when Book 4 is ready.

Book 4 will release tomorrow! Here are the change log notes to peruse in the meantime:

Book 4: The Way (v3 update)

• Added new Mandalorian Disney Star Wars intro
• New color grading & quality upgrade on Corvus
• Entirely re-created the intro with Ahsoka’s battle to set a completely different tone with a new order of events. Rebuilt the SFX from scratch and re-scored everything here. Hope you get chills on this opener!
• Cut out some lines between Ahsoka and Magistrate that were overly villainous. Throughout this Act, I have kept the focus 100% on Ahsoka trying to get information out of the Magistrate. No “If you do this I’m going to zap some innocents” as it was just cartoonishly evil, and not at all needed to create tension. In fact, I think it just distracted from what we are really invested in here. All of these intertwining stories that we’ve been building that are finally going to collide. Din, the Jedi, the Empire, the New Republic, Boba Fett! A bland villain plot that is resolved with no drama is not needed. All dialogue and scenes are edited to keep the focus entirely on the main narrative.
• Ahsoka ends the conversation by saying “Surrender or face the consequences” and then we cut to Din landing on Corvus, right in the thick of things!
• Cut some of Din’s walk through the village and asks about what’s going on with all the poor people. He is now guided straight to the Magistrate from the gates.
• Removed some bad wipe transitions.
• Removed some lines about how crazy evil the Magistrate is.
• Removed some Ahsoka Marvel reaction shots in the town battle.
• Rearranged shot order on Ahsoka’s walk down the street to continue building the intensity of the staredown.
• Re-edited the dialogue to again keep it focused on the main narrative.
• Removed a reaction shot of the troopers shooting at Ahsoka. (Brief rant on this: I absolutely loathe these 3-5 second zoom-in scenes where it seems like our protagonist is frozen in time. They ambush her, start shooting as she jumps to the rooftop, and then we get 5 seconds of random zoom-ins on enemies shooting her while Ahsoka is seemingly standing motionless on the rooftop. It is SO bad for combat pacing. Keeping one fluid scene where Ahsoka is constantly moving without all the zoom-in pauses that don’t appear to actually happen within time itself does wonders for entertaining action sequences.
• Re-ordered the battle sequence so Din hides his presence longer before coming in to ambush the remaining guards and begins his faceoff with the sheriff dude.
• Re-ordered the sequences between Ahsoka’s duel and the standoff.
• Re-edited Ahsoka and Din leaving the village to stay focused on the main storyline.
• I have cut Ahsoka’s apparent last-second mind change about Grogu and her unconfidently speculating “Well maybe you could go to Tython”. Now it appears as if she denies training Grogu because she is on another mission, but that she, in her wisdom, knows of another way to still have Grogu be trained as is needed.
• Re-edited the travel to Tython so it seems less like a teleport by moving around scene order.
• New color grading on Tython
• Cut out footage of Fennec’s mechanical belly
• Completely reordered the Tython battle, less of a back and forth of Din trying 3 different times to pull Grogu out (and spending like 5 min utes unconscious and then getting up like nothing happened?) and now it’s more a hurried and hectic battle to fend off the stormtroopers.
• Cut Fennec throwing her helmet at a stormtrooper
• Cut all the reaction shots of the laser coming from orbit, this laser literally freezes in time in the air so we can zoom in on everybody’s face and then continues again once our reaction shot scene is over. Can you tell I hate unnecessary reaction shots?
• Rearranged the scene order for the Razorcrest destruction and dark trooper deployment to give us some juicy back-and-forth drama between Gideon and Din instead of all Din and then all Gideon (plus, Kane says “The dark troopers will deploy momentarily” but then they deploy immediately. Now it actually is a few moments later)
• Moved Grogu in the cell to in between the travel from Tython to Nevarro for travel pacing purposes.
• Grogu’s hand motions for throwing the stormtroopers around didn’t make sense in the show. He’d pull his hands outward but the stormtroopers would collide inward etc. I have fixed all these discrepancies.
• Fixed a Disney bug where Mayfeld talks but his mouth doesn’t move (I’ve found a number of these phantom voice lines dropped on top of people. Usually, the actor will be off to the side of the screen and I guess they hope you don’t notice? It’s so easy just to cut around it though, I don’t really understand why they leave them in.)
• Rearranged some dialogue between Mayfeld and Cara regarding “Din’s kid”. If you remember from Book 1, Mayfeld didn’t really see first hand Din’s relationship with Grogu, so I’ve edited the dialogue so that he remains in a state of confusion about what is going on.
• Rearranged all the travel scenes from the prison world to Morak
• Upgraded some shot quality on Morak
• Completely cut out the need for Din to take his helmet off inside the Imperial base. Re-edited everything here for a new story presentation of these events.
• Cut out some way too blatant missed shots from stormtroopers on the Morak battle
• Cara now shoots the Imperial pilot mid-sentence rather than waiting forever.
• Re-ordered gameplan for the Gideon ship raid to stay on topic one at a time instead of jumping all over the place (Dark troopers, Grogu, Bridge)
• Fixed logical chain of events with the Lambda crashing into the cruiser (distances weren’t matching up between shots)
• Tightened up a couple of shots in the Din v Gideon battle
• Reduced the amount of blaster shots Gideon gets off on Bo before turning on Grogu
• Unified Credits presentation

Shoutout to EddieDean for helping with a lot of ideas for these v3’s! I’ll release Book 4 tomorrow and then move right into continuing work of 5.

WitchDR said:

I decided to throw a quick clip together to show the Scorpenek Droid error: https://vimeo.com/822212271

The rancor has already ripped off one of the blaster arms and destroyed the eye of the droid. Then when he throws it to the ground, it reverts back to having both it’s blaster arms and eye while it shuffles around on the floor. Only for it to again revert back to damaged once the Rancor rips the other blaster arm off.

Nice! That’s it, thanks so much. Great find, I’ll look for a way to address that.

gurgle1624 said:

Wow just wow!! The edit list is insane…I’m really excited to watch this.
Question…are the versions of the books you’ve worked on final or are those yet to come? I’ve been keeping each version you’ve released just so I can study the changes you’ve made, it’s a great progression in story telling. I’d like a link to your newest version please. I didn’t have plans tonight after I went to see Return of the Jedi in theaters again (I’ve already went to 4 showings, 3 more to go) now I have this to look forward to, thank you sir.

Awesome, sending you a DM now! Hope you enjoy it.
Haha wow, that’s a lot of RotJ! But nothing at all wrong with that. I saw a video of people leaving the RotJ showing for the first time back in '83, and the energy and reactions coming out of there were incredible. So enthused and satisfied, what a cool time.
This v3 update of The Way of Mandalore will be pretty much the final version. At some point in the future, I will go back through and upgrade the edits to 4k and maybe make some tiny changes, but this update is basically finalized in terms of my storytelling. Books 1-3 are updated and out now, Book 4 should actually be ready tomorrow, and then 5/6 sometime in May.

WitchDR said:

I, too, decided to watch through Book 5 first, since the Boba content was the worst and needed the most work.

Figured I’d share a few things I wrote down while watching:

Look at this, after 6 months I’m going back to make sure I find everyone’s feedback, so many thanks to all who have pitched in. Book 4 is already 95% good to go on the next update and is going through bug review right now, should be ready early next week, and I’m plugging through Book 5 as I write!

• At 13:45 there’s a weird fade out. It seems like the scene fading out, cuts off instead of fully fading into the next scene.

Fixed this fade

• Garsa Fwip’s “Apologies” line at 18:14 seems kind of awkwardly placed.

Indeed, it didn’t convey what it should have and I have thus removed it.

• I personally would love to see Boba’s missile fire at 19:28 removed, it always seemed stupid that he’d fire a shot at such close range. The only one who would probably get hurt from that is Fennec with no armor or shield. This isn’t a huge deal that’s worth changing, just something I’ve always thought.

Absolutely agree here too on review. I have removed this foolish decision.

• The scene from 20:25-20:33 could use some more work. The way the Gamorrean Guard puts the sword to the assassin’s throat, just to immediately take it away doesn’t seem natural. Also since you are implying the Rancor is already in the pit, I’d add some signs of life, i.e some Rancor growls or breathing when the gate begins to open. You could probably repurpose some of the Rancor’s breathing sounds from this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qd4YGjNSTs

Re-edited this scene so Boba now trails off saying “Well, if he isn’t going to talk…” and then Fennec acts on her own to immediately dump him into the rancor pit (now filled with Rancor SFX).

• The transition at 1:01:56 feels abrupt. I’d fade it out slower if possible.

Fade fixed!

• The transition at 1:45:12 felt a little awkward. Jumping to Boba flying through the air in the middle of the fight just seems too sudden after the prior scene. I don’t know how you would be able to fix this considering we never see them come out though. It’d probably work better with a buffer between those scenes, but that would require rearranging other scenes to that part.

Ugh, this scene drove me nuts first time around. You’re right, there just isn’t any footage here because of the stupid Twi’lek’s insufferable commentary. However, your solution to rearranging other scenes to use as a spacer here actually did end up working out so that is what I have done!

Since I was watching this with more of a hawk-eyed view, I found an error that the creators left in during the Rancor fight with the second Scorpenek Droid. The scene at 1:56:51 shows the Rancor tore off one of it’s blaster arms, than at 1:57:00 the Rancor destroys the Scorpenek Droid’s eye. But the following scene at 1:57:15 shows that the Droid has both it’s blasters and it’s eye undamaged. Only for it to revert back to it’s damaged self in the following scene at 1:57:18. Not something that needs to be fixed, just found it funny I never noticed it lol!

Apparently I do not have an hawk’s eye, or even a bat’s eye, because I could not find this even going frame by frame. I’d like to fix it if I can find it. The timestamp didn’t line up since I already applied the above changes and I just couldn’t find what you were talking about here. If you can timestamp the Disney+ show one with this bug I’ll try to fix it in mine.

All around great job with this! I found this far more enjoyable than the original content. I’ll wait to see you’re newly improved Book 1 and 2 before watching those episodes, but I’m excited to dive into the others!

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed this and I look forward to you seeing the updated one soon.

Sent to all, and fixed the changelog formatting above and added all the changes! (well… most of them)

honestabe said:

I would like a link for Book 3 at your earliest convenience.

I must say Acbagel, you must really be a glutton for punishment to draft that entire post on your phone. 😃

Haha oh no I actually had it already written in a Google Doc, I just copied and pasted on mobile but couldn’t do all the formatting on there without spending 6 hours on it.

We aaaaaarrreeeeee LIIIIIIIIIVE!

Book 3 is ready to go. Sorry for the poor changelog formatting below. I’m on mobile and can’t make the necessary edits but I’ll clean it up tomorrow (EDIT: Fixed). I wanted to make sure I got this out ASAP though. This log isn’t even complete or 100% accurate as this film kept growing and growing as I edited (EDIT: Yes, it is complete now), so there will be some fun surprises throughout. Book 4 is making great progress too, should have a much shorter turnaround time!

Book 3: The Tribes

• Added new Mandalorian Disney “Star Wars” intro
• The film now opens again on the Carnita Arena scene. This will take place in the Outer Rim and not on Tatooine as in my previous version due to the new story order. The Way of Mandalore takes place within the OneCanon theory, meaning it is ~12 years after RotJ instead of Disney’s proposed ~5 years after. The state of the Empire is as we see it not due to the immediate collapse post-RotJ, but due to the events of the Legends novels. As such:

Mando Season 1: 9ABY, +7 years = 16ABY OneCanon (Black Fleet Crisis begins at the end of the year)
Mando Season 2: 10ABY, +7 years = 17ABY OneCanon (Black Fleet Crisis ends close to the start of the year)
BOBF Season 1: 11ABY, +7 years = 18ABY OneCanon (Corellian Crisis happens sometime during this year, but other than Luke’s cameo in BOBF these stories don’t seem to intertwine)
Mando Season 3: 12ABY, +7 years =19ABY OneCanon (Right after the Hand of Thrawn duology. Mando Chapter 23 provides the perfect context we need about Thrawn’s current whereabouts, and I am moving a scene from there into this Book 3.)
Ahsoka Season 1?: 12ABY, +7 years =19ABY

We can be certain that Thrawn is in the Ahsoka show, and that lines up with his established “wait ten years and I’ll be back” line that he tells Pellaeon. HoT doesn’t have specific dates attached to its events, but the plot does occur over a few months. Luke and Mara marry maybe a month after those books end. That leaves plenty of space for Mando S3 & Ahsoka S1 leading to the inevitable return of our boy in blue himself.

• New color grading on the Arena world.
• Cut the shot of the Gamorrean duelist unconscious in the ring as it’s up and fighting again 2 shots later.
• Re-ordered the shots of the Gamorean getting shot so he doesn’t hold his axe up in the air for 10 seconds of reaction shots in the meantime.
• Cut Crime Lord demanding Din take his armor off “or I’ll kill you”. Din now acts with a more immediate agency before starting the combat.
• Cut all the ridiculous bare-handed punches to Din’s helmet in the combat, and cut some other shots that looked choreographed instead of realistic. Din is much more deadly.
• Cut Din saying “I promise”. Unneeded and sounded a little childish.
• New transitions from crime lord death to flying, to a new Grogu nap sequence to the X-wings waking them up.
• Rescored the X-wing tension scene and from here on out have removed ALL of Frog Lady.
• New color grading on Maldo Kreis (Ice World)
• Moved around the X-wing pilot dialogue across the chase to make more sense.
• Added some manual rotation to the chase scene shots to increase the appearance of the intensity of the Razorcrests motions.
• Masked out the egg basket in a number of shots
• After the ship sinks, Din’s first concern is now finding Grogu.
• Rescored Grogu’s little cave snack adventure.
• Countless edits on the spider chase scenes to preserve story continuity.
• Replaced VFX from Frog Lady’s blaster with Din’s blaster. Din now saves Grogu from the baby spider.
• Edited the X-wing pilot discussion to have story consistency with my previous films.
• New planet departure scene order.
• After Din and Grogu jump, we cut to Boba continuing to search for his armor, which, coincedentally, Din will soon begin doing too. I love the back and forth storyline carrying on from the last film.
• As the Razorcrest is in terrible shape right now, we will now cut back to Din and Grogu’s red wire scene about trying to fix their ship mid-journey.
• Replaced Din’s line to say Tatooine instead of Trask to fit my new story order. Now they go to Nevarro before Tatooine in order to get the needed repairs.
• This is more of a coincidence than anything, but Din directly references his run-in with the New Republic as the cause for needed repairs rather than the Trask fiasco when he talks to Greef. Since my “episode order” is 10, 12, 9, then 11, it’s just funny how the dialogue works out even better than in the original…
• Restored the “Nevarro overview” brief from Cara since I’m no longer using this content as a cold open, and also since I’ve been building up the Imperial presence, hearing more about their operations helps this narrative.
• Removed an ungodly amount of crappy wipe transitions on Nevarro.
• New color grading and source quality upgrade on Nevarro.
• Fixed a Disney bug where Cara raises her blaster in back-to-back scenes when the crew runs into the science techs wiping the drive.
• Hearing Dr. Pershing talk about the cloning program in the same film as The Shadow Council scene (which is ahead) is awesome. It unifies so much of what the “Empire” is doing.
• Restored the scout bikers sequence.
• Cut some shots of the scouts where the speeders look like they are moving way too slowly.
• Cut some cheering reaction shots.
• Fixed a disgusting Disney bug… Come on now: https://streamable.com/plzr9b
• WAY sped up the scout biker with a grenade kill shot.
• Fixed another Disney visual bug of Din in the cockpit. Again he does the same action twice. Lots of little post-production errors in this episode.
• Had to totally re-edit the scene order of the last TIE dogfight. SO many inconsistent distances between shots.
• After Nevarro, we now slide into the Gideon and the Shadow Council discussion. This new placement helps continue to build Gideon as the villain from my last film, expands upon the Imperial conflict we have been focusing more on, ties up the cloning program on Nevarro, gives us our first clues on Thrawn instead of Ahsoka dropping his name out of nowhere, and is a great back and forth since we just were introduced to the New Republic for the first time. You can begin to see that Din is getting leashed into something much bigger than himself. The scene is edited so the dialogue makes chronological sense for this new placement, as well as hair darkening masks placed on Gideon to hide some of the gray.
• New Tatooine color grading.
• Cut a couple of crazy Tatooine mechanic lines. She should be weird but not insane…
• When Din speeders to Mos Pelgo, I cut the nighttime talks with the Tuskens. It seems like he’s asking for directions, even though he just got directions, and it is set at night so it makes it seem like he travels for 20+ hours which makes no sense at all.
• Cut the Krayt Dragon “swimming” directly through the town. I don’t understand the physics behind how those buildings still stand with the size of the dragon. This scene also makes the dragon appear super skinny to navigate through the streets when in the later shots it is WAY more massive in its width.
• As Din rides back from the Krayt battle, we now see Boba on his tail as Boba fires his cycler rifle at Din to initiate the ambush.
• Cut some slow reaction shots and some more people punching Din’s helmet without reacting in the mercenary fight.
• Cut Din and Grogu shrugging at each other after the jetpack kill. It’s a Marvel-esque shot and also Grogu’s head placement doesn’t at all match the next scene.
• New color grade and soundtrack on Din’s walk back to town.
• Changed how Din learns of the nearby Mandalorians. The whole Mechanic knows a Bug who knows a Frog who has a husband who saw a mandalorian is terrible storytelling. I can’t do a ton to fix this all, but I at least cut out the bug middle man so it appears like Mechanic just heard from her contact.
• Cut some more mechanic nonsense. Her saying she likes her steak “medium rare” is way too earthy for me.
• Heavily reduced the “taxi” conversation & plot.
• No egg chamber drama from the Frog Lady.
• We now learn that the Empire placed the tracker on the Razorcrest on Tatooine instead. I removed Gideon’s mustache in all “tracker placed” shots for visual consistency with the shadow council scene.
• Using bits and pieces from the great Smudger9 and my own changes, we now have a travel and landing on Trask that doesn’t display the massive damage on the Razorcrest.
• A new cut from landing straight to the cantina. We don’t need to watch frogs make out.
• New quality upgrade and color grading on Trask.
• Increased the speed at which Din jumps after Grogu in the water.
• Built a whole new sequence for Din being trapped under the gate. Ominous Mandalorian funeral chants play while he is helpless to escape. The end looks nigh.
• Just as Din begins to sink to his doom, once more, he looks up and sees his brothers and sisters in arms come to rescue him. Cue Vode An intermixed with Bo-Katan’s theme.
• Cut some more bad wipe transitions on this world.
• Cut Din saying “mIsSiOn??”
• Cut out Din giving instructions to Grogu on how to behave with the Frogs when he drops him off for babysitting.
• Cut out some stormtroopers flopping around and jumping off the railing when they are barely punched
• Cut out the Mando squad taking forever to take cover under fire while blasters fly all around them.
• Re-edited Din and Bo-Katan’s argument about the deal changing to maintain tension and not have it so Din goes along with her idea. I have left it so we don’t know if Din is going to oppose her, but then the ship nosedives.
• Re-edited Gideon and Imperial Officer’s conversation to make it appear as though Gideon intended to have this ship get raided in an effort to kill Din and Bo. As we’ve seen before, he has no problem sacrificing his troops to accomplish this goal, so now it feels like it’s not a last-ditch effort, but perhaps even Gideon’s plan all along. As we had earlier established that Gideon is already tracking the Razorcrest, this appears to have been in the works for a while. (We even get the Long Live the Empire phrase reinforcement here from the Show Council scene!)
• Completely re-edited the sequence where Bo and the crew are pinned down. I have removed Din from all scenes here as we left him earlier not knowing what he was going to do. We cut back and forth between the crew pinned down and the vessel nosediving until at the last second, Din comes charging in out of nowhere to repay his debt to his Mandalorian family.
• Din now throws the detonators in one fluid motion as he falls from the hail of blaster fire.
• Fixed all the timing of the explosion and fire to actually make sense instead of waiting for a reaction shot from EVERY character while the fireball slowly plumes down the hallway.
• Cut Din saying “Come on follow me”. It’s a better vibe when we just see the Mandalorians work in unison without bay-talking each other.
• Removed some dialogue between Din and Bo-Katan so it remains more confrontational before she thanks him.
• We end with a quick take-off into space followed by a brief scene of Grogu using the force on his own to spin the ball on the stick. At the end of my first film, Din had to give it to him manually, and this now shows the evolution and agency that Grogu is developing through their adventures together as well as hits home the main theme that Grogu is on the path to being a Jedi… and Mandalorian? (Rescored this scene with a track from Star Wars Visions: Ninth Jedi)
• Unified credits based on new story order.

Darth Sadifous said:

Have you thought of potentially digitally adding Pedro Pascal’s head onto Din in the closing shot of season three? I do not know how hard this would be from a technological perspective, but from a character perspective and a story arc I think it could be a nice little payoff. From the end of season two, the show seemed to present conflict for Din in regards to his choice to take off his helmet to look at his child with “his own eyes” (it is like poetry). Then we found he had to atone for this by bathing in the water of Mandalore, kickstarting the quest in season three.

That is a great idea. I’m not sure how realistic I could get it to look… But ya know, when I get there I’m going to try. I’m a fan of it storywise I think.

Gala, if you meant to send something with your message there it didn’t go through right. If you see this, try writing it again so I know what’s going on.

Thanks everyone, hope you enjoy this third film! Crossing my fingers there are no massive bugs, this one went through the ringer a few times before it felt right. Have fun!

Tobar said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Exactly. Hell, TCW did a fine job trampling all over some very good Legends material. I miss Karen Traviss’ Mandalorians. One-dimensional, but still fun.

Karen Traviss was horrible to the fans and did more than her share of trampling on previously established lore. So when she had her meltdown it was one of the best instances of schadenfreude I’ve ever experienced. Still brings a smile to my face.

I had a multi-month back and forth email chain with Traviss when I was a kid about her Star Wars novels. Reading through the Republic Commando series while talking to her about it and having her explain things to me personally absolutely cemented my love of reading for the rest of my life. I don’t even know what happened with what you’re talking about, but she showed me nothing but kindness and genuine interest, and I am forever shaped by what she did.

Update on this! I’ve begun my Season 1 rewatch with the editors googles on. Got through the first 10 episodes and have to say, I’m actually enjoying it more than I did initially. Since I’m watching it trying to see the potential in the storyline, there’s definitely a legit possibility to present this content in a very digestible and entertaining format.

I’ll go more into detail over the coming weeks, but initially I 100% agree with Eddie that Season 1 is two films, with the first being 1,4,7,8,9 as the core narrative (with sprinkles of 5 & 3 to tie it together). Might pull a scene or two from 2 and borrow some of the travel shots, but I’m feeling good about this now. Really looking forward to watching season 2 for the first time too. Once I make these dialogue edits on wrecker, tighten up some of the kiddish nature, and do the ol acbagel frame by frame combat analysis I think we’re going to have a good time watching this together.