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#1293670
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars Live action TV series
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Opening credits are a thing of the past on most TV shows nowadays. On US network broadcasting it cuts into the ever-expanding commercial time. The main reason Game of Thrones had one is it was the best place to stash the on-screen version of the books’ endpaper maps.

Even online-based shows like Star Trek Discovery just have a ten-second title card. I wouldn’t expect much more than that in The Mandalorian.

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#1293387
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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Booman said:

Here’s one that I found pretty recently, it’s the sort of thing that hides in plain sight and blows your mind when you finally connect the dots in your head.

So if you have some knowledge of the production of the original Star Wars, you’ll know that the Falcon’s early design was ultimately repurposed and used for the (much larger) Blockade Runner. It would have had a linear interior, basically a single hallway running the length of the ship.

It wasn’t until I saw the following production image that I realized the interior set design from the abandoned “linear falcon” concept made an appearance in the finished film. When compared to the sketch it’s almost an exact match.

I assume that this particular set was built as the Falcon’s interior, and quickly redressed for use as Princess Leia’s ship. This would mean that the Falcon’s original design made it way further into production, which is something I was absolutely unaware of. It’s just weird to think that the famous scene of Leia putting the plans in R2 technically takes place in what was once the Millennium Falcon’s interior.

And that small corridor was originally supposed to be the whole set for Leia’s starship – the large, gleaming white corridor with rectangular walls was a late addition during filming, using extra money Lucas got from Fox.

I think those “pipe/vent things” in the third picture were originally supposed to be escape pods.

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#1293247
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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SilverWook said:

This site has a photo of the Rebel helmet prototype.
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/original_rebel_pilot_helmets.htm

Also another shot from ESB.
http://www.starwarshelmets.com/original-TIE-helmet-costume-overview.htm

It’s definitely a prototype Rebel pilot helmet then. The mouthpiece is the same.

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#1293188
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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Looks like a modified pilot helmet with the roundel repainted and a large visor. I wonder if it’s a prototype of the stormtrooper or TIE pilot helmets, or even of the early full-face Rebel pilot helmets from the first film’s storyboards.

There’s also some stormtrooper upper body armor painted black attached to it.

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#1293015
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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It mentions IG-88, “Tuckuss”, Dengar, Bossk, and Boba Fett all by name:

The group standing before Vader is a bizarre array of galactic fortune hunters: there is BOSSK, a slimy, tentacled monster with two huge, bloodshot eyes in a soft baggy face; TUCKUSS and DENGAR, two battle-scarred, mangy human types; IG-88, a battered, tarnished chrome war droid; and BOBA FETT, a man in a weapon-covered armored space suit.

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#1291951
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Lucasfilm: Beyond Star Wars and Indiana Jones
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And a lot of the hard work of making such an effects-heavy film believable lay with ILM. Therein lies the difference between Star Wars and something like Starcrash.

Before the SFX shots were inserted, I imagine the film looked a lot rougher & harder to visualize. Especially for the New Wave generation of filmmakers in Lucas’ circle of friends, whose films were usually set in contemporary society, and by & large didn’t rely on that sort of post-production effects work.

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#1291918
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Lucasfilm: Beyond Star Wars and Indiana Jones
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MikeWW said:

DominicCobb said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I thought it was documented that a British editor did the first rough cut?

In any case, the Oscars Marcia Lucas, Richard Chew, and Paul Hirsch received for editing Star Wars speaks for itself.

The way I know the story is that a British editor (not sure how he became involved) did a cut without Lucas really watching (I think he was busy), Lucas sees it and hates it, scraps it and starts over with new picks, who each take a chunk of the movie under his supervision and in collaboration with him.

Yes, that’s correct.

If Star Wars was “saved in editing,” which I don’t think it’s fair to say it was, then it was saved in editing by, primarily, Lucas himself.

Lucas is obviously a man of many talents and from the start of his career always seemed more interested in visuals, sounds, and editing, rather than actors. And it’s not surprising to me that he stopped directing after the health problems he faced on Star Wars, though I don’t know why he never did get back around to making that experimental stuff. Who knows, probably the becoming a business man and parent just took priority.

Part of me thinks he HAS made them. He made a comment once about only showing them to his friends.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a “fuck the haters” attitude after all the prequel reactions.

Seconded.

The “British editor” was John Jympson, who was specifically hired for the role of editor. Lucas thought his work was too slow-paced and didn’t use the best takes.

Of note is that Jympson wasn’t Lucas’ first choice; he wanted Richard Chew in that role from the beginning, but Jympson was already licensed to work in England, which was no small issue in those days.

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#1291396
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Wow, that article gets so much wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, of course.

It is interesting that Robert Watts was apparently planning at one point to film ROTJ’s desert scenes in Tunisia and the Endor scenes in Germany’s Black Forest.

A sign of GL and company’s exhaustion with SW & desire to just “get it done” that both locations ended up being filmed in the US, I suppose. Rather like the US-based filming of the similarly creatively bankrupt Crystal Skull.

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#1291087
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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Morgan the Boost said:

screams in the void said:

I can’t believe that in all my years of viewing the film hundreds of times, I never picked up on this . Turns out Vader had a theme before the Imperial March that was a lot more subdued in the original film . The video they link to near the bottom of the page really makes one aware of it . Now I will never be able to not notice it on future viewings !..http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-music-of-star-wars-that-we-never_16.html

By the winged devils of Onderon! I KNOW that piece of music, could hum it… but my brain never thought of it as a THEME/MOTIF in that way. It’s overshadowed in my brain box by the more dynamic Imperial March, which is strengthened by being in multiple films.

It’s a very low-key motif. More fitted to represent a bureaucracy than a regime of terror. Hardly surprising that John Williams thought better of it in subsequent films.

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#1289955
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

I could imagine a ‘2010: The Year We Made Contact’ David Bowman-esque ghost, morphing or changing appearance of age every time we see him. They could have Luke do the same to help normalize it. (Hell, or Obi-Wan, too, I guess. Might be a little weird for Yoda to, but still possible.)

https://youtu.be/HUT4ua-D33Y

This is pretty much what I would go for as well.

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#1288944
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I do think it’s fair. Episode IX has an evident lack of Snoke and a sudden appearance of Palpatine. It’s hardly rocket science to connect the two.

Mindlessly hating on a film isn’t the same as articulating genuine issues in its storytelling. Movies shouldn’t be above criticism. Even if most of the online chatter these days is feverish and overzealous, there still ought to be room for reasoned analysis.

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#1288912
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

So much this.

JJ had “a map to Skywalker” as if Luke Skywalker were some static feature of a planetary landscape, rather than somebody who travelled to a specific destination for reasons unknown. Because giving any further detail might prohibit the other films in the series from having a free hand. But this makes the writing of TFA annoyingly vague, and leads the film to focus on more derivative elements, like Starkiller Base.

Rian saw Snoke (rightly) as derivative, and so killed him off. But he did so via a sudden assassination that conveyed his dislike for the very idea of the character. This retroactively casts TFA in a bad light for focusing on Snoke as a big threat, and also leaves unanswered the question of how & why that guy came to upend the GFFA.

Now JJ is back, and is scrambling to do something with Palpatine because he can’t use Snoke anymore. This back-and-forth is leading to successive films where the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.