ATMachine

In this case it’s a far more felicitious typo than, say, “Sifo-Dyas.” Unless you’re Portuguese.

SilverWook said:

Haarspalter said:

Tobar said:

Haarspalter said:

And that’s the reason why the GOTG movies stick out of the MCU - they work very good on their own without the necessity of watching/knowing the other ‘standard’ MCU superhero movies. I dare you, try to watch Captain America 3: Civil War without knowing the precursor movies. James Gunn is aware of that. Is it a coincidence that the third GOTG movie is supposed to take place approximately eight years after the Infinity War? Guess not - Gunn wants to keep the GOTG to be detached to a certain point of view within the MCU.

Let’s examine this shall we?

I dare you, try to watch Captain America 3: Civil War without knowing the precursor movies.

It’s the third Captain America film.

No, it’s not. It is basically The Avengers 2.5: The Apology for Age of Ultron. It wouldn’t be that much of a problem, if the movie would feature just Cap as the main character, hence the title CAPTAIN AMERICA. But it doesn’t - the movie acts like an Avengers movie due to the ensemble characters … too many ensemble characters. Even you stick just the Cap movies, with Civil War the viewers face serious problems to follow/understand what’s going on. The gap between Winter Soldier and Civil War is too big because of the interconnected incidents of other MCU movies.

If Gunn is trying to avoid the repercussions of his heroes mingling with the greater MCU then why didn’t he set Vol. 3 before Infinity War?

My guess is, Gunn sets GOTG3 eight years after Infinity Way, because the incidents of that movie will be probably be dealt with - mentally & personally for the GOTG ensemble. Gunn won’t have to make to make a big deal out of it. Maybe the GOTG characters will mention the Infinity War in one or two scences. The most important thing: with the eight year time gap, Infinity War is out of the way and Gunn can focus on the third story he wants to tell for the GOTG ensemble. And mark my words: none of the Avengers guys will have a supporting role or impact in that movie.

Infinity Way sounds like more fun than an Infinity War. 😉

Exactly what I was thinking!

Cobra Kai said:

Alderaan said:
The question is why she hired them in the first place.

A fair question. An article I read said it was Kasdan who chose Lord and Miller and then made a big push for them with Lucasfilm/Disney.
I’m not sure why he or KK thought they would be a good fit, especially since Kennedy stated last year that the movie would have more of a “western” feel. A comedy duo doesn’t seem like the most obvious choice, although I haven’t seen all of their work.

Yeah, it’s bizarre to me that KK is getting most of the flak for hiring them when from what I can tell it was Kasdan’s decision.

Still an odd directorial choice IMO.

SilverWook said:

What is the norm for camera setups these days? Just how many angles can you get on a rather tiny set like the MF cockpit?

Keep in mind it suits Disney’s purposes to put disinformation out there. Which is why the Ace Ventura thing smells funny on the surface.

Exactly what I was thinking. How on Earth do you fit 15 cameras into the Falcon cockpit set?

Indeed, that’s the most baffling bit about this entire business. And it was Kasdan who apparently pushed hardest for their hiring in the first place.

The other influence on the film’s intended style was a “heist caper” type of film. I can understand thinking Lord & Miller might work for an Ocean’s Eleven style movie. But if you want to mix that sort of lighthearted film with the grimness of something like For a Few Dollars More? That’s a different order.

Tobar said:

Well I’m serious, I’d love a sequel to Willow.

How about several? With multiple branching timelines?

It seems especially bizarre that the anthology films – the ones you’d expect directors to have more creative freedom on – are getting the most executive interference, while the Sequel Trilogy apparently has no problems in terms of creative issues.

I know. It’s like this franchise is cursed or something.

generalfrevious said:

Kathleen Kennedy is proving herself be worse than Heotge Lucas ever was. It doesn’t help either that before she took over LFL she was one of Spielberg’s cronies (who is, of course, close to Lucas), thus ensuring the company will continue to be run in the most illogical, greed focused manner of George’s PT/SE heyday.

Heotge?

Well, in the third draft, when the heroes find her, Leia is unconscious and beaten so badly Han actually gapes in horror at the sight of her. And Ralph McQuarrie storyboards from that time actually show Leia in a tattered dress and bare-breasted during the chasm swing.

Certainly Lucas wanted to leave it a bit ambiguous what happened “behind closed doors,” but in earlier iterations there was no escaping the point that it was extremely violent.

I would argue Lucas committed an “original sin” when writing Star Wars in 1975.

He’d wanted to demonstrate the Empire’s cruelty by showing the graphic aftermath of Leia’s torture in Vader’s prison. But by the end of 1975, with budget cuts pressing on him and the management at Fox doubtful about the prospects of his little space-opera film, Lucas began to panic: he’d already started thinking of SW as a story spread over multiple films, and he didn’t want it derailed at the very first outing. The failure of THX 1138_ in the movie theaters still haunted his mind.

So he decided he needed to maximize the revenue from SW to improve the prospects of a sequel. The best way to do this was by avoiding an R rating, keeping Star Wars open to all ages. The stark realities of Imperial torture, meant as a commentary on Vietnam and the US military-industrial complex, were tidied off-screen in the name of family-friendly moviegoing. It paid off: Star Wars was a massive hit at the box office.

But there were consequences. In-universe, Lucas struggled to come up with alternative ways to depict the Empire as a credible threat to the heroes. His solution, worked out during filming, was to kill off Obi-Wan on the Death Star. This in turn led to the problem of who Luke’s Jedi mentor would be in future films. And if Obi-Wan could show up as a ghost, why couldn’t Luke’s father do the same? Wouldn’t having two ghost mentors be a little crowded? This problem of story-crafting, the result of hasty alterations to the first film, ultimately led to the merging of Darth Vader and Luke’s father, who had previously been two separate characters.

And in the real world, the politics of Star Wars became so anodyne, so essentially unthreatening, that anyone could identify with the Rebels fightin against the evil Empire. Most famously, Ronald Reagan adopted this rhetoric in spades, so much so that his SDI missile defense system quickly was dubbed “Star Wars” by the press. The sort of Goldwaterite conservatism that Lucas had railed against in the early 1970s had now co-opted his film franchise in the public mind.

And no one, outside of a very small coterie, ever expected that George Lucas would make another R-rated film.

TV’s Frink said:

ATMachine said:

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

What the hell are you talking about?

I never try to figure out what he’s talking about, I just try to figure out if he believes whatever it is that he’s talking about.

Of course I believe it. And you ought to know why.

I do but I can’t say why without breaking a forum rule.

Who rules this forum, anyway?

I broke a forum rule once. I got banned for it. Then I came back as a frog. Cycle of life and all that.

Why not?

I’m doing OK. How about you?

Actually, scratch that, I could really go for a hamburger.

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

What the hell are you talking about?

I never try to figure out what he’s talking about, I just try to figure out if he believes whatever it is that he’s talking about.

Of course I believe it. And you ought to know why.

I’d like to see the contents of the Secret Library Archive Project. SW films where “canon” has no meaning would be a godsend.

There are Star Wars movies most people on these boards haven’t seen.

There are Star Wars movies I haven’t seen, and I’ve seen all the ones released in theaters.

Who knows what movies lurk in the Disney Vault?

George Lucas first realized the awful power of director’s cuts in 1977, while preparing a director’s cut of THX 1138 in the wake of Star Wars’ massive success.

He told Warner Brothers to destroy their prints of the 1971 theatrical version. They complied. Only later did Lucas realize that in doing so, Warner Bros. had destroyed all surviving prints of the 1971 version.

This was the impetus for the Star Wars Special Editions 20 years later. It was, in practice, a warning to future generations not to let that sort of cultural erasure happen, even if a work of art’s own creator gave it his blessing. A concrete illustration of the perils of the very thing he warned the US Congress about in 1988.

Lucas created Darth Sidious, after all; he’s perfectly capable of saying one thing and meaning another. “Reverse psychology,” in the words of Princess Yuki from The Hidden Fortress.

This intentional will toward hypocrisy informs many of the worst SE changes. It explains why Lucas added the Emperor’s scream to Luke’s fall in ESB in 1997 and then removed it. It explains why he put Anakin’s much-maligned NOOOOO in one of the most powerful scenes of ROTJ. It explains why he added CGI to a TV airing of Raiders of the Lost Ark to replace a shot that he himself originally approved.

And of course, like Darth Sidious, Lucas also masterminded both sides of the debate.

SaveStarWars.com and The Secret History of Star Wars, allegedly created by “Michael Kaminski,” are actually the offspring of George Lucas.

His alter ego is named for Steven Spielberg’s longtime cameraman, Janusz Kaminski, and the British heraldic order of St. Michael & St. George.

And what’s behind the screen name zombie? A dead man, reanimated: the George Lucas of the 1970s.

It is, indeed, a very clever chess game.

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Neither. It’s azure (if you stick with the OT).

Nope, it’s air superiority blue.

However, Luke’s lightsaber in ROTJ is desert superiority green.

It’s a large pocket. Like how men in Renaissance England stored their wallets in their codpieces.

Indeed. I’d argue that one of the problems with GL’s scripts is that he often tries to write in a pseudo-archaic “literary” style (with questionable success) like in pulp SF novels, rather than a more naturalistic style suited to the medium of film.

He became a delicious Mon Calamari lunch for Grand Moff Tarkin.

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SwissArmyTin said:

Haarspalter said:

I will not give up on the Original Trilogy. We’ve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. Lucas let Greedo shot first and we fall back. He inserts Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn at the 40th anniversary of STAR WARS! This far, no further! And I will not buy another Special Edition release!

Quoting Star Trek in defense of Star Wars. Truly, what a time to be alive.

Hey, it’s better than shoehorning the Praxis Wave from Star Trek VI into SW retroactively.

DuracellEnergizer said:

This should be in the Awesome SW Art thread. 😉