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#1310157
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Some thoughts based on leaks & press coverage so far…

Some of the latest rumors about the finale with Rey & Kylo fighting Palpatine sound like what George Lucas originally had in mind for a duel with Luke & Leia fighting Darth Vader way back in the day. Which showed up in watered-down form in the Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye novel.

Basically the claim is that Palpatine throws Kylo into a pit and then wails on Rey somehow, and she kills him but is dying afterward. Then Ben climbs out of the pit and uses the Force to heal Rey, at the cost of his own life.

Something very similiar happens in the SOTME duel: Luke gets pinned down under a bunch of rocks, and then Leia has to fight Darth Vader on her own using Luke’s lightsaber. Vader seriously wounds her, and she collapses, but then Luke gets free and they fight until somehow Vader stumbles into a pit. Afterward, Luke uses the magic Kaiburr Crystal to heal Leia’s wounds.

Before SW turned out to be a huge hit, Lucas told Alan Dean Foster he saw the duel as being climactic in nature: Luke was to kill Darth Vader outright, and Leia would apparently be left with some severe scars afterward. This was back when the novel was conceived as a back-up plan, in case the first film’s box-office receipts failed to justify doing the sequels Lucas wanted as films. Obviously, once SW actually came out, the ending had to be reworked to make sure it didn’t conflict with making further movies.

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#1309928
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Some changes I’d suggest:

  • As everyone else says, make sure it’s obvious Holdo is afraid of traitors
  • Get rid of the stupid “shuttle parkers” gag. If the audience knows the heroes are dumb for doing that, don’t have the heroes do that. Instead maybe have Rose give a starving child some food, and have the authorities think that’s suspicious and follow her as a person of interest.
  • Have the Master Codebreaker and DJ be the same character. Maz Kanata ought to warn our heroes at the start that he doesn’t work for cheap, but Poe & Finn & Rose are so eager to save the Resistance they’ll promise him the moon. Later, the Codebreaker shows up to break them out of prison, after seeing them get captured just as they were about to find him and being intrigued. He’s the one who betrays them on the Finalizer, for money, because he doesn’t think the Resistance is profitable and he’s doesn’t care about the morality.
  • Additionally, I’d imply (but not necessarily state outright) that Snoke is an ancient creature, somebody who was a member of a primeval “First Order” that predates the Jedi and Sith. Perhaps he’s now broken out of some ancient confinement (maybe something on Ahch-To like that giant pit)?
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#1306895
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Worst Ideas in Star Wars/Good Ideas that went Horribly Wrong
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It’s kind of weird that the movie that establishes Vader as Luke’s father (albeit perhaps a clone thereof or something) also features an extreme uptick in him Force-choking officers to death.

I blame George Lucas & Larry Kasdan reacting to the mild-mannered Vader of Leigh Brackett’s draft, where he dismisses officers who fail him with mild reproofs like “Leave me, you incompetent idiot.”

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#1306832
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

According to what science says, as long as you don’t try to hold your breath, nothing in the vacuum of space will kill you instantly. There is no exploding. What would happen first is freezing and asphyxiation. The scene in TLJ that keeps getting complaints actually (except for the use of the force) pretty well follows what science says would happen (the ice crystals were a nice touch, though perhaps not entirely realistic). And Leia’s use of the force is no different form when Luke grabbed his lightsaber in the Wampa cave, only Leia grabbed the ship and they nicely used Newton’s laws to make her move toward it instead of it toward her. And it really fits with where her character was going (before her untimely death) and where it is rumored he character will still go. One of the problems with Abrams method of story telling is he saves backstory to add later and reportedly, before she got pregnant, Leia was training with Luke.

So there really isn’t much problem with the shot of Rey jumping out of the hanger and to the Falcon. If you have a problem with that you must have a real problem with the shot in 2001. A vacuum just doesn’t kill instantly. That is a myth (and not the fun kind that Star Wars relies on).

The Leia scene in TLJ wasn’t a bad idea, but it was shot really weirdly in a way that made Leia look like Mary Poppins.

Also, close your eyes at least when jumping into a vacuum, otherwise you might go blind.

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#1306619
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

ATMachine said:

Interesting how that version of a “somebody is spaced and uses the Force to pull themselves back inside a ship” scene is much better staged than the one in TLJ.

Yeah, I think the real problem with that scene was the shot. Had it been executed differently it would have been fine.

Agreed. And the billowing dress didn’t help.

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#1305549
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

ATMachine said:

Who is that lone Imperial officer in ROTJ who isn’t wearing a Commander rank plaque?

I don’t believe he has a name. He’s an uncredited extra without backstory.

Seriously? This is Star Wars! I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t have a name, a backstory, and a Wookieepedia page. 😉