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Post: #83581
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83581/action/topic#83581
Time: 6-Jan-2005 12:25 AM

There is an earlier soundtrack without the klunk? That's what I'm getting at. Long before any special editions, that was a moment to drink to ... the stormtrooper klunking his head. Is there a version without the sound? I recall it always being there.

Time to go back to the DE and check this out again for myself.

Post: #83563
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83563/action/topic#83563
Time: 5-Jan-2005 11:54 PM

I get that the notion is to remove the sound altogether. I'm more curious about the process to do this, given the lack of source material without the sound present. EQing it out? Crossfades? With the little bit of music underneath, it'll be tricky, but so is just about everything else you're tackling in the restoration. Having gone through pains over the whole "wesa free" issue -- just locating another source and then finding a matching edit point that didn't make the splice obvious -- was a task. Getting something as simple as this klunk out is going to be fun, in a dentist drill kinda way. I hope you'll share the techniques and process with us in detail. As an audio guy, I'm keen on learning.

Post: #83576
Topic: Qui-Gon Jinn... sounds like the name of a beer
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83576/action/topic#83576
Time: 5-Jan-2005 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by: TheSessler
But from the spoiler pics and from the trailer for EpIII it seems Palpatine was already wrinkly and deathly pale, apparently he was using the Dark Side to mask his appearance.

I think that is really going to play out like this: Mace Windu knocks Palpatine ugly before getting killed, you know, just so he don't go out like some punk. Then Palpatine looks in the mirror and embraces the Dark Side like never before, enabling him to best Yoda in a saber duel. He takes Yoda's saber (hence why we never see him wield one again) and banishes Yoda to a swamp. Yoda farts on his way out. Then Palpatine realizes
how old and worthless his current apprentice is, not to mention this octogenarian is actually better looking now, and so he makes a whole bunch of secret plans to make that hotheaded Anakin Skywalker succumb to the Dark Side, kill the old guy, and become the new Apprentice. This climactic scene takes place in the Emperor's Board Room, where he puts out his hand in Jedi Mind Trick fashion and says to Dooku, "You're Fired."

Little does Skywalker know that his real plan is to make his new apprentice even uglier than he is. He sends him to a volcano to fight with his old master, figuring the lava can do an even better job than Mace Windu at knocking somebody ugly. And in a stunning new plot twist: This is ultimately because Palpatine is trying to seduce some young chick named Mara Jade, who currently thinks this this Skywalker guy is hot and wants to see if that mechanical hand can go like a machine all night, if ya know what I mean. Little does Palpatine know that Mara is a very, very niche fetishist, who is attracted to all guys named Skywalker with a mechanical hand.

Iris out to the credits.

Post: #83569
Topic: Fan-made Star Wars music videos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83569/action/topic#83569
Time: 5-Jan-2005 5:58 PM

The truth is, and he's practically admitted this, is that he hadn't directed a film in 20 years and wanted to knock the rust off before diving into the prequels. Great way to hone your skills, George. By screwing up one of your previous collaborations with your own single-minded vision.

Have I mentioned how much I hate Jedi Rocks lately? (Damn, I'm going to need to add that to my sig soon)

Post: #83549
Topic: Prequel Music
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83549/action/topic#83549
Time: 5-Jan-2005 5:42 PM

"Across the Stars" was a medley of all the different themes for AOTC. Not the love theme. A lot of people call the love theme by this name, but really, "Across the Stars" was a promotional gimick for Episode II. I really didn't like it when it debuted on MTV. I thought the song was all herky jerky. Only weeks later was it clear that it was a medley. Chalk that up to MTV being full of dumbasses who don't actually report any news about a new song.

That is, when MTV actually does something music related. They don't call it eMpTV for nothing.

Post: #83548
Topic: Fan-made Star Wars music videos
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83548/action/topic#83548
Time: 5-Jan-2005 5:38 PM

I had this dream once that Lapti Nek would be a good song in Return of the Jedi. See, Lapti Nek is this song that doesn't show up in that movie or its soundtrack ...

Post: #83378
Topic: StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83378/action/topic#83378
Time: 5-Jan-2005 10:52 AM

I thought the klunk was always present and was only clearer in the DVD release.

Post: #83373
Topic: ***The "ISOMIX" feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83373/action/topic#83373
Time: 5-Jan-2005 10:47 AM

Unfortunately, the film version of Lapti Nek is not available anywhere that I know of. I recall reading that the masters for the film version of Lapti Nek and other Max Rebo source music were simply lost and hence they weren't included on the Anthology Boxed Set CD. I doubt this is the case, but I don't know why it wouldn't be released otherwise on the Anthology Boxed Set. So if Lapti Nek is featured in the Isomix DVD, then it probably is indeed the version from the Anthology Boxed Set and not the original film version. The only person who may know of a copy of the film version would be Neil S. Bulk. Neil is our resident expert on Lapti Nek and Yub Nub. Neil, you listening?

By the way, the film version AND the album version of Yub Nub (er, "Ewok Celebration") are both available on the Anthology Boxed Set.

Post: #83368
Topic: STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83368/action/topic#83368
Time: 5-Jan-2005 10:40 AM

MBJ, are you still planning to include Isomix's isolated score in your DL version of your project?

Post: #83366
Topic: NEVERMIND (ROTS leaked images)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83366/action/topic#83366
Time: 5-Jan-2005 4:37 AM

If I were drinking milk, it would have just snarfed out my nose.

Skyman, where did that pic come from? The Emp looks like he's about to burn his hand off on the blade.

Post: #83289
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/83289/action/topic#83289
Time: 4-Jan-2005 11:24 PM

Frightening. I am a parent, yet all I could hear was Andrew Dice Clay when that post was last entered.

Anyway, ROTJ is done. I could tweak this thing to death, but I'm letting better editors do that with the OT. I've merely created an alternate SE that we hopefully can live with. I'm trying to figure the best way to get the final result out there. It's been offered as a torrent on that site we all frequent. I don't have a DL burner (yet) so my distribution is limited on the DL version (which, to me, is the preferred version to have).

Rik should be getting a copy in the next few days. Hopefully he'll have some ideas on distribution.

ANH is at a standstill right now. Combustion's demo watermarks all output with a big Red X (as seen in my earlier screencaps. I can't afford to buy the program to correct this handful of shots, as I really don't intend to take things further than that. i.e. I'm not planning to become a video editor anytime soon, so the cost becomes hard to justify. Solutions to this dilemma should be taken to PM.

In the interest of my initial purpose in this thread, I hope to make downloads available of the changed portions so others can follow the roadmap to implementing these changes as well. It may inspire others to create other corrections that can be implemented with the right toolset.

Post: #82983
Topic: Info Wanted: a Pre-ANH edit of Ep IV?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82983/action/topic#82983
Time: 1-Jan-2005 10:20 PM

Originally posted by: DanielB

Just to remind everyone of old news, seamless branching is not something that can be easily done at home. In fact there doubt as to whether it can be done at all.

What about MF's edits have led anybody to believe he's doing this on home equipment?

Post: #82981
Topic: MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82981/action/topic#82981
Time: 1-Jan-2005 10:14 PM

If only we could get access to the soundtrack sans-dialogue, then one could create a bona-fide spoken Alien language. Or, heck, better English dialogue based on the subtitles just so we didn't have to read so much of Ep I. Whereas I don't think all the friggin aliens need to speak English, it would have been acceptable if the accents and dialogue weren't total crap. That's why MF's edits work so much better than the originals. It's not just the removal of poop and fart jokes and yippees and stupid crap like that. It's better story telling and accents that aren't as offending as the crap Lucas gave us.

That said, the nips and tucks did wonders for both movies, my very young apprentice.

Post: #82982
Topic: Has anyone noticed... the war brewing between MF.com and TFN?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82982/action/topic#82982
Time: 1-Jan-2005 4:18 PM

I'm trying to stay spoiler free as I did with Ep II. I enjoyed Ep II more than Ep I on opening day not just because the movie was better, but because I really didn't know what was coming. I know too much already about Ep III just because of spoilers that don't come with a proper spoiler alert. Some people expect that once a spoiler is an old spoiler, it's okay to talk about it freely. Like the hows and whereforetos of fates of certain characters.

Right now, I'm trying to make the five movies we already have a more enjoyable experience to lead up to Ep III. In spite of Lucas.

Post: #82891
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82891/action/topic#82891
Time: 30-Dec-2004 10:44 PM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I think maybe she's jealous, because the only thing getting "put to bed" is these films. Maybe if you let her help out with your "saber shots"....
Originally posted by: Laserman
Bare in mind ...

I shouldn't even need to draw the tacet relationship between these two posts ...

Post: #82851
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82851/action/topic#82851
Time: 30-Dec-2004 1:55 PM

Originally posted by: grisan

I posted a DVD-quality clip of Shaw-as-ghost a while ago. Why didn't you use that? I could repost it if you want.

I did. And I can't thank you enough. It's been a wonderful source for the project.

By the way, I've just re-converted the PCM track to stereo, remuxed for the upteenth time, and the stuttering problem is gone. At last, I can put this movie to bed. Just as my wife just said from the next room "You do realize they're just movies, correct?"

Now, onto correcting those saber shots in ANH.

Post: #82835
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82835/action/topic#82835
Time: 30-Dec-2004 11:49 AM

Tellan, I think you're on the right track with the notion of having two versions of the movie: the O-OT based on the LD and a Special Edition that's watchable, based on the DVD. The latter is what my project has turned into. The only LD footage I've used is that of Shaw-as-ghost, and it wasn't problematic as other LD-source video would be, given the nature of the ghost effect.

Post: #82833
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82833/action/topic#82833
Time: 30-Dec-2004 10:53 AM

Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Are the two video segments saved at different bit rates? It could be forcing the DVD player to hiccup, kinda like a layer change.

It's happening in the middle of an original video segment that hasn't been altered. The first cut doesn't come for another couple of chapters, and even then, it's still using the same video source. Totally bizarre. I rebuilt my project in DVD-Lab and am remuxing yet again. Perhaps the problem was there, I don't know. If this doesn't work, I'm going to kill the PCM track and try yet again. I think it was fine before this. If it muxes fine without the PCM track, I'll convert the PCM back to AC3 (damn the quality) and try yet again.

Interestingly, the part where I've used a separate video source (restoring Shaw) plays fine.

Post: #82825
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82825/action/topic#82825
Time: 30-Dec-2004 8:44 AM

Ugh, the problem is definitely not just my computer. For some reason the Bib Fortuna/Droid scene now glitches like crazy. I compressed the video down to a single DVD-R and did a test burn. It freezes on my standalone, just as the full-resolution version does in PowerDVD. Yet, the un-remuxed version plays fine. Could something be happening in the remuxing process that's causing the video to stutter? What would cause such a thing?

Post: #82762
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82762/action/topic#82762
Time: 29-Dec-2004 11:56 AM

Grisan, I got your clip inserted and it worked great. I had to shift the edit points around a little bit, because the soundtrack didn't quite line up in the same spots. However, I've done it, and it sounds great. If anybody can hear the edit points in or out, I'll be impressed.

I've re-muxed everything and developed a strange error. If I preview in PowerDVD on my drive, the scene with R2 and 3PO talking with Bib Fortuna stutters (like it is freezing on keyframes or something like that). However, if I view the VOB file in Windows Media, the scene plays fine. A curious anomaly. I think I'll take my chances on a burn. I get the feeling the data is just fine, and will read just fine if unfragmented on a silver platter.

I changed the 2.0 track to PCM. Because I had to convert to PCM due to my crossfading technique, I didn't want to lose any more data by recompressing. It fits on the DL disc, so I just left it PCM. I even normalized the track, so it should be a bit louder than the 5.1 mix.

One movie down, one to go!

Post: #82708
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82708/action/topic#82708
Time: 28-Dec-2004 5:03 PM

Thanks. I've previewed in Windows Media. I'll convert to NTSC, demultiplex and see if the volume levels match at an optimum point. If this works, then I won't have to try to crossfade the two 5.1 tracks. Otherwise, I at least have a great 5.1 source to work with now, which makes a tremendous difference. Again, thank you for helping out. This is awesome!

Just out of curiosity, do they include the English 5.1 mix on your disc? And how is the music mix on ANH?

Post: #82699
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82699/action/topic#82699
Time: 28-Dec-2004 2:03 PM

Grisan, you continue to be a source of coolness on this board. Thank you. One question: the file had a .jpeg extension on it. Should it have a .mpg extension or an AC3 extension?

Daniel, no frames were added or restored, only deleted. Not a true restoration, but at least a restoration of concept. More later ...

Post: #82661
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82661/action/topic#82661
Time: 27-Dec-2004 9:50 PM

Back in town after a much needed vacation. I may be on here less in the coming weeks, but I'll not be absent for sure. I'm going to try to pick up where I left off on ROTJ this week, with what has now become my "reduced SE" project. Not de-SEing the whole DVD, but trying to fix the major things that stuck in my craw. Two are down. One is half way done. To recap what I've done, and what I'm trying to accomplish:

1) I've managed to get Shaw reinserted based on the previous post from the PAL LD (Grisan's post, I believe?). Using only the three Shaw shots edited in-between the surrounding DVD footage, I've gotten a seamless scene recreated in NTSC. Had to convert the PAL to NTSC first, and then using Womble's MPEG Video Wizard, I made all of the cuts in the video and reassembled.

2) A few people have seen my pet project in the SE, which was to re-order and re-edit the "Jedi Rocks" shots over top of Lapti Nek. Since the original film version of Lapti Nek is only available in the film, this was a radically different approach than restoring the SE. The result was getting rid of most of Joh Yowza, not to mention that stupid, stupid, stupid song. It works pretty well if not perfectly, and it quite enjoyable. Interesting trivia: This new sequence takes up exactly the same number of frames as the original DVD. I simply replaced the soundtrack, re-edited the video to match, dropped in some Jabba dialogue to match his taunts to Oola, and it's done.

3) I've gotten the "Wesa Free" line out of the ending of the stereo track by crossfading with the French 2.0 track during the final scenes of the movie (after the dialogue is complete). I have not gotten the 5.1 remixed though, as I'm having a bear of a time editing 5.1 audio. If anybody has a 5.1 track in a non-english language (German for instance) PM me. It may help. I'm unsure if they made a 5.1 mix in any language other than English, but I'm hoping.

As for ANH, so far I've:
1) Deleted the shot where blaster fire is exchanged. Greedo does not shoot.

2) Restored the title card recession using the Spanish angle, and did a video fade into the crawl to help mask the difference in start times. Until I learn how to do masks, this will suffice. It's not exactly as it should be, but it's still better than what we were given officially.

3) Whenever I get a hold of Combustion, I'll start to recolorize Lukes infamous green saber that I can't stop railing on. The demo for Combustion was promising, but the big red X won't fly in actual output.

4) I even came up with an alternate set of subtitles for Jabba. His dialogue is much less redundant to Greedo's now. Knowing this puts me in the minority, I always liked the scene, but now I think it plays much better. Both the original subtitles and my re-edit will be muxed on to my final disc.

Post: #82416
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82416/action/topic#82416
Time: 22-Dec-2004 6:54 PM

I'm up for editing the wav files if that's what it takes even if I load six mono WAV files, I should be able to line them up to the correct frame. I am using the GUI and it may be just my settings. I'm at a bit of a loss, whatever the case.

I'm actually unsure which channel(s) "Wesa Free" is in. I imagine its in the front channels, if not all six. But that is a guess based on very little real info. I've not had a free moment to pop this into my home theatre where the 5.1 is set up to verify.

I'm actually racing the clock on a non-SW project for the holidays, and that's taken up all my energy for the past couple of days. I'm surprised I've made it on here as much as I have, but it's a fair use of my down-time-due-to-compiling.

Post: #82404
Topic: Thought on de-SE'ing the DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/82404/action/topic#82404
Time: 22-Dec-2004 12:04 PM

MBJ, I did get the Combustion help file (thanks if I didn't say it earlier). It too was giving me errors, but I was, at least, able to view the help pages one-by-one, though the index was broken. Bizarre. Totally bizarre. But in the installation with the trial version, every single one of those help files was blank. I assume the files didn't compile properly in that version of their installer, but it could be my system.

Zion, the biggest problem I've had with the splicing in Womble is the mismatch in volume between the French/Spanish tracks and the English 5.1 track. Going from 5.1 to 2.0 isn't desired either, hence why this is becoming more complicated. I did this nicely in the stereo track by just replacing the entire ending at the point of the funeral pyre onward with the french language track. Since there is no dialogue, there was no need to return to the English and make yet one more edit. It worked great for the English 2.0 track, once I was able to crossfade the two stereo tracks (again, the volume is not at the same level on the two files.

Now I need (a) to find or (b) to generate a 5.1 track (sans Gungan dialect) for splicing into the original English 5.1, and then (c) figure out how to crossfade it if I can't get the volume to match at the splice point.

Once again, BeSweet is ticking me off, as it won't actually output any WAVs for me (this program never outputs a doggone thing for me). I did try what you suggested ... break the AC3 out into six waves and edit in a multi-track editor like Sonar, which I use in my studio. From there I'd need to figure out how to recombine and recompress into AC3.

Vegas and Combustion are now on the back burner for licensing reasons. I'm an old pro at SoundForge XP so I know I'll like Vegas if I get into it seriously.