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Mixing & restoration details have been updated on post 2 (only little changes). You'll find this sheet with CD1 anyway.

"The Training Of A Jedi Knight" has moved to CD2 as a bonus track. Indeed it bugged me as it broke the flow between "Mynock Cave" and "The Magic Tree" wich are both thrilling cues illustrating nightmare situations. I think that's the reason why it has been removed from the film too.

You're so kind, thanks a lot! :) However I'm not linked to the a.b.sw, lol !

Don't worry, someone contacted me and it should be ok. Considering the time I need to finish the ESB project, there's no hurry here.

msycamore, what you said about the RSO version for "Asteroid Field" is true: it already sounds great. So, I've posted a last sample that shows a lot more differences: "The Battle In The Snow". ;)

CD1 is now finished... And have been uploaded. ;)

It may take more time before CD2 to be ready (my ears have requested some rest !).

none said:

... you'll be all prepared for the 5th anniversary of the last Star Wars movie.

Hahaha ! What are you saying my boy ?! There was no Star Wars movie since more than twenty years !!!

msycamore said:

The link to the new "City In The Clouds" sample doesn't work:(

 

 Now it should ;)

"The Asteroid Field" from the RSO CD sounds great! (have not listened to your remix yet)

 

It sounds great but it's a hard one to highlight the best way. So the version is not so final.

I'm looking forward to see what you can do with "The Rebel Fleet" ("Finale") on the RSO CD

Me too. But I prefer not to think about this restoration for now.

Schorman 13, I've just been thinking you may download my work in ten minutes - for free - when it took me 3 weeks to restore only CD1 for the new ESB project...!

I'm about to post this CD1 in a very few times (CD2 will be for a bit later). If you download it, enjoy it, and want to hear what I can do with the best recordings for Star Wars, you know what you might do "in return". Perhaps did you already try and enjoy the OT Soundtracks Salvage I worked on before by the way...?

If you really don't care to hear what I can do, there's no big deal... However I'd wonder why are you logged to this OT SW preservation forums if such kinds of enhancement projects wouldn't be interesting for you.

Thank you.

PS: of course if I met you some place else, I'd have say yes without the least hesitation ;)

skyjedi2005 said:

The CD has the same problems as the 70's source tape as remarked upon in the anthology book i think by Lukas Kendal. 

Would you be more precise? I just came across the book and didn't find any input about the master tapes. Thanks for your light anyway.

Not on the run yet…

Brand new samples added, some removed.

"City In The Clouds" has been left with the small editing "mistake" (or short cut) at the end of the 1st LP part. It looks better that way as it gives a better impact to the Boba Fett part apparition. The 2nd LP part is a new mixing. This version is final unless I succeed in restoring the click at 2'49".

Sorry, my brain sticks sometime on an idea and I'm not really Anglophone.

I think the matter with all three scores, and mostly ESB, is that there's not a lot of tracks that have originally been mixed the same way (and I'd bet it's due to the many recording sessions + to notice they played in two studios), then the mixing studios should have considered that in order to respect the characteristic sound of each cue. But no ! I think they wanted too much make it sound the same all the long, trying on the SE to make it sound like new, putting sparkes everywhere !... And even that, they failed to make it.

... And I'm quite happy with that, because imagine if the SE's for instance succeeded in making a sound like we use to hear among the huge sountracks production... You wouldn' care anymore, but what would it have look like? The "pristine" prequels soundtracks ? No thanks ! :)

The prototype for CD1 I just listened makes me think there's not a lot of things like this out there. Despite a few flatness remaining here and there it makes a very rich panorama of the diversity of sounds that may pop up from the same orchestra through many sound takes. Not mentionning the depht from the RSO's cues that can be close to a vinyl as no CD produced nowadays use to show... So, don't have any regrets ! ;)

msycamore said:

If every track had the sound mix of "Mynock Cave" and "The Imperial Probe/Aboard The Executor" on that cd we wouldn't be here;)

 Oh please, Don't say things like that ! :) I had such a hard time with "Mynock Cave"!!!... Not that the SE mix was so bad, but it was far too clear with a bunch of noise to get rid of in the high frequencies - as for every single SE track besides. The hardest was to avoid the trumpets to have such a nasal sound, and be closer to the RSO version (wich has somewhat the same problem).

And yeah, "Aboard The Executor" wasn't that easy, but with a precise "shot" became awesome... One of the best.

... As we mention these tracks I think it would be good exemples to show how they may sound next to the RSO, then I'm gonna add these samples (and remove one or two before the mods rant at me).

Ah ok, you're right. The funny thing is that the Anthology version is very good excepted for the parts I replaced with the RSO, and the last "doomy" Yoda part wich is better on the SE. That's why all this diserve to be listened very carefully, even on the SE, because of the so many parts they mixed isolatedly for before editing.

By the way, I may change my mind for Training of A Jedi Knight. The 2nd part from the SE is closer to the RSO sound (in its simplicity). So I perhaps won't get too perfectionnist on that one and take the RSO version for the 1st part. But not sure yet. ;)

msycamore said:

The instruments in the Boba Fett segment in the beginning of the track seems to have more "punch" to it somehow on the Anthology, I don't know, what do you think?

 If you mean that it appears a little different on the LP version edit, I think it is because of the punch the RSO has :) (The Boba Fett instruments part is still the Anthology here, as on the version 3. And indeed, the SE version of this part has no punch). Anyway, the edit have been now fixed with a better mix for the 2nd LP part and the cracklings are quite less noticeable. I think I'll vote for this version too ! ;)

"Training Of A Jedi Knight" has incredibly percussive low frequencies on the SE's... There's no way I can give it more emphasis like on the RSO if it's what is bugging you. But don't worry, I reserve you a few awful tracks (the Probe Droid outro, and "Imperial Starfleet Delployed" for instance) ! :D

msycamore said:

You seem to know your Empire score, I just like to point out that "The Rebels Escape" has a minor edit in the end on the Anthology if you have not noticed it. (I'm sure you have)

 I think I noticed that one (at the place of a percussion). However comments like this are very welcome and that's the reason why I posted this topic before I finish the job ! :) ... There's so much to consider that I may be lost sometimes and miss some details. I'll check again if my choice to take the Anthology was the good one however. (Edit: indeed, no depht to give back on the SE version for that one).

It also would be great to hear " The Training Of A Jedi Knight" (also a bad Risner mix, may I suggest RSO+SE for that one).

Interesting choice. I was with the idea to mix the RSO + the SE for this cue, but there are some instruments you can't hear on the RSO while you can hear everything on the SE. My final version with the SE is very better than what I made for the OTS Salvage and just so you know that to listen the RSO version helped a lot. So I'm on my way to post it.

For City In The Clouds I'll ask you to hold on for the 2nd and 3rd versions (with the SE wich is perhaps more interesting than the Anthology wich has somehow a "muddy" sound; and I have to fix something for the LP version). I'll post the three versions then perhaps you' ll help me choose what is the best to be used (the LP has a few cracklings... But it's sooo good). Thanks for your suggestions and ideas :)

...

@ Vaderios

Yes, there's a lot of differents segments that have been edited together on this 2nd part and still sound a little different. to notice the music even goes slower in the average of the moment you mention (like a tape getting tired). But sometime you have to know your own limits ;)

EDIT: Samples added / or on the run.

Good to read you ! ;) I may find a trick for this SE bit...

I've edited Post 2 to show the operating list for CD1. This one is almost ready but CD2 isn't at all.

I may post 1 or two more samples for CD1... But wich tracks ?... "City In the Clouds" for exemple ? Let me know...

New sample added. You can now witness all the power of the Star Wars overture for the first time on wav. form... ;)

AAAAAARRRRHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!! C'mon man !!! No more... No more !!!!

adywan said:

I almost felt like i was flying in the snowspeeder over the mountain range.I almost felt like i was flying in the snowspeeder over the mountain range.

 Yeah! I remember that too :)

When the special effect is not "Perfect" (as nowadays), it has a stronger power: "Suggestion". That makes your imagination work.

... "Credibility" is really no match: uninteresting... and incredible.

... And a clumsy double post... 'gonna hide somewhere now.

Ha !... Me and my spelling mistakes ! :+

Ric Olie said:

Get over my handsomeness.  I'm sure you're fine looking and all, but the sooner you realize you'll never measure up to me, the better off you'll be.

 

 No!? Are you really the famous Nic Olié?

vaderios said:

So this will be far better that your previous flac ESB release?

 Don't know yet... All what is done for now seems a little better to me. What I think is that it should be less "agressive" than the OTS Salvage version, perhaps less seductive at first but more clean - or almost completely...

I ll track the topic for feedbacks :)

Ha ! That reminds me your last comment in the OTSS thread. Lol ! (See, I'm not forgetting neither). :)

It seems the hybrid version worked

Yeah, more hybrid than you think... It has been remastered in four separate parts to obtain tha same sound everywhere. There are 3 recording takes in this track + the intro.

take care

Thanks ;) You too

First post updated... Read again ;)

Edit: ... And welcome !

SUMGUY21 said:

But the pops and clicks from the original vinyl transfer are quite distracting, especially at the beginning.

:) !!! The begining comes from the Anthology... Otherwise it comes from the RSO CD edition. Anyway. I take that as a compliment.

 ... Listen carefuly this track on every release and you'll hear those faults are just well hidden, or the mixing so flat (the SE) that you don't pay no more attention. That's why you have so much mediums and highs on the Anthology and highs+bass-mediums on the SE's: to "hide" or compensate those faults. And unfortunately they've hidden a lot of background details the same way!

 It' s one of the worst track about saturation, that's why I choosed to post this one first. I don' t think I'll try to hide such things as they did.

(BTW: first post edited about what really is the project. Thanks).

If you're planning on distributing this alongside CD tracks, maybe consider processing those parts slightly with ClickRepair??

 As to use any kind of denoising softwares... mmhhh. I'd like the tracks to be the less processed as possible. I wouldn't like the more corrupted parts (the trumpets saturation for instance) to be clipped because they are part of the noise.

Besides, there are far stronger pops on the Anthology (listen to "Attack Position" on disc 4) but it didn't keep Lucasfilm to release this set, and it doesn't keep the same set to remain better than the SE's ;)... Isn't it ?

 Also, is there any particular reason the track seems to be sped up slightly and is shorter by 2 seconds?

 The 2 seconds missings are at the transition of the begining and the duel theme: I choosed to make it match with the RSO version wich is as this, for a matter of rythm. So the track hasn't been sped up nor pitch changed.