ferris209 said:
C3PX said:
That is a picture of an action figure.
And the action figure is holding a blaster!!
... And his father is probably a sex toy.
... However, if I'm sure now feedbacks can't help me anymore about this project, I'd be glad to read any comment on the actual set... And please don't tell me that anyone watching this thread hasn't listened to it...!
Anyway, it will remain at least an info thread, and if it's quite sure I decide to upload the new set, I'm not sure it may be foundable from OT.com (to notice I know who else is actually sharing version 3 on the net - EDIT: There's no matter with that, however the guy gives an opinion about the set saying that it's a little "rough around the edges", thing that I would have liked to read here... I found that a little ironic ! ).
I'm about to renew the restoration and remixing details as many things have yet changed and improved, as to reactualise the samples (though one must consider the whole set before the details). Things I'm currently working on: new RSO parts, more RSO layers and re-layer with more accuracy the first ones through new mixings. Also I'm revisiting my own EQ's abuses for all the Antho and SE tracks as to improve a couple of those with multi-layered EQ's. Things are getting gorgeous really.
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ABC said:
The OE is finished for me now.
Who stole my password to tip that ?
Forget about those three versions my friend, they're no match ! (Don't ask).
Burdokva said:
... I'm not exactly familiar with audio - I can give feedback on what sounds "right" to me, rather than comment in detail what should (or shouldn't be fixed).
What you say here reminds me when GoodMusician asked to me how did I managed the remixing for my previous work with the Star Wars soundtracks as he told me he thought it sounded professional (kind!)... I was unable to explain anything ! I'm not a technician at all with sound, though technic comes obviously when you need it. Now I can explain a bit more my cheap technics but I think I better not.
Anyway, I'm far more interested in your pair of ears than in a boring knowledge with sound.
Obi-Wan said:
... an evaluation of the work takes three or four times the length of the score. And it requires very much attention and concentration. In terms of time it requires at least 4 hours (240 minutes only).
Wow! I checked them far quicker when I began the OE !... Only it requires a bit more concentration. However with a name like Obi-Wan you shouldn't be worried about that. :)
About comparison if I can help I can see clearer now what I did with this score and the biggest lack it shows (what does not keep my set to sound better the releases) is about the EQ's mostly for a bunch of tracks from the Anthology. My EQ's made the sound more thin because I "took away" a lot more than I "added", what was fair. But this is the problem with a simple equalizer: to give relief to one particularity, you have to lower an other one... You have to "choose". (And that's especially where I was waiting some feedbacks)...
Now I found and tested an other way to deal the EQ's through a multi-layered equalization, wich is quite amazing as I can measure everything that compose the character of each cues. Then the work becomes more something like feeding the sound with what makes it the best, with less of the fragile equilibrium of the relativity lows/mediums/highs. I mean I can managed to give strenght to what I lower, as to make softer what I lift. Only it needs to prepare good layers before (and let's precise from my firts mixings) and so to know what are the ranges of frequencies that will feed the character of the cue in the best way.
Looks to me like there's more than the half of this edit to be remixed then... Please, anybody quote that! :) The OE is finished for me now. Besides, note that I haven't called my edit the "Ultimate Edition"!
Just an explanation to help exile some clouds from someone's mind.
Appreciated. :)
Obi-Wan said:
Bonjour! I don't know what "keskeucé" stands for but as far as I can see ABC's avatar has mixed emotions. So I feel free to wish a happier new year 2010! :)
Haha !!! Indeed it looks pretty hostile... Let's change that and bring some french art ;) ... Btw, "keskeucé" would be translated in Engish with "woatizit" or something like that.
Best wishes and optimum year to you too. :)
dark jedi said:
... you should not have asked for comments LOL,just leave the thread be,let it run its own course,that is what I do now...
That's fair, you're right.
... you ask for comments ALL the time ...
Mmmh. You already said that before but I haven't found where or when I asked. But I indeed expressed my wish that this thread keeps alive with feedbacks, what means from time to time, and considering the number of viewers of the "OT Soundtracks Salvage" next to the number of feedbacks... Oh well, let's let it go. :)
After reading I still can't tell if v3 is better than v2
Hehe... I can tell you wich one I prefer, but "better" or "not" here is a relativity as there have not been true new enhancements. To see by yourself is the better way as in every domain. However I'm a little like you on this one: I'd like to read someone tell us ! ;)
just hope there is no clipping
Not more than on v2. You don't really read the posts do you ?...
;)
guiser said:
Does this mean that version 2 is now your ideal version? Or are you waiting to get more feedbacks before continuing with the OE (letting it rest for a bit)?
No, version 2 only has - to me - a stronger cohesion. It is also much clear, but as I already said, this is a flat clarity unfortunately. Version 3 would finally have deserved more simple settings. I have no preference but would have been willing to know more about how it sounded for you and what difference it makes. Obviously it makes no difference to anyone here as it seems almost nobody has listened to one of these set seriously in one stroke to tell his point. ... Seems that to have a "new" ESB set is more important than what it really shows as a result.
Anyway, now I found out that the only way to give back a few or more of what is missing to those Anthology and SE tracks demand a more elaborated treatment that may allow to equalize the tracks really as I want without being limited with their apparent/relative potential. More concretely I'm about to test what I would call a "multy-dimensionnal" re-eq, at least for the fun. If it works it'll be a big work again and I'm not sure I'll go on, as I'm not sure I'm about to share -ironic word !- again. I have so much the feeling to work for leechers and lurkers... I'm sorry to say that, but now I think I understand why somebody like GoodMusician isn't on these boards again !
Worth to add the enthusiasm and concern of a few people here, and I especially think about msycamore, has been quite motivating to bring this set to a better level. And despite the taste of my last post, be sure I thank every people here trying to help, you're great !
TheBoost said:
ABC said:
What about children reading books instead, so you'll have them clever and awaken enough later to decode the world through what is written here and there.
It's interesting. I got more sex and violence from the books I read as a kid than I got from videogames or TV combined. And no one cared.
I had an 'Aliens' novel that had the most explicit sex scenes, and I used to sit in class reading that. I read James Bond and Remo Williams books with sex, and heads exploding, and torture, while I was in the 6th grade. Piers Anthony's books are borderline rape-fetish and underage girl-fetishist, but my grandma used to take me to the library to get them.
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Sounds good to me, and very interesting. I don't have problems with children reading aldut books :) But you 'll recognize you cultivate yourself creating those images in your mind from reading much more than when you sustain them from a movie or so. And what's as interesting is that it is your sensitivity that works then.
Images imposed by TV or VG have a big potential on the subconscient, why they have all interest in being the vehicule of something more noble than free violence and stupidity, mostly for children that are not able to choose or make a difference because of the huge standardization of stupidity we currently witness.
When you were reading your "adult" books, I'm sure you made the difference. Simply because it didn't looked like the Mickey Mouse magazines your friends used to read. ;)
Most children are to go so stupid in the future that they are yet a perfect target for a new world (dis)order.
Clipping matters left aside, Leonardo is right.............
... My volumes are too loud.
I just compared some of my first mixings and they showed some more subtleties, even on parts where no clippings occur.
Here's what it is to listen too much "technical" advises or considerations as to forget the first right feeling. But anybody take that personnaly please... My entire fault. I spent too much time on it and lost myself.
Unfortunately this work is over for me now.
Video game console as a nanny would more diserve a topic.
What about children reading books instead, so you'll have them clever and awaken enough later to decode the world through what is written here and there.
The Internet is quite interesting nowadays as you can still find precise clues to catch what's more or less going on even through videos, but it may be not true in the future (Internet as a controlled media would be the end of it, and it has already begun). Books are still the best alternative. But I'm not speaking about making children little adults right now of course. Each thing in its time.
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C3PX, your evil teletubbie is awful.
Leonardo said:
I think that in order to avoid distortions of any kind, you should work with your data at a lower volume in the first place, by setting your filters (in this case the equalizers ABC's using) at the right volume so that we avoid clipping but just loud enough to be powerful.
Be sure that I agree with that. But I insist: the clippings here are minor and there isn't any distortion from them, even for an attentive ear next to the first version that was too low... Or just take the lower sample for track 1 on post 1, and please show me I'm wrong.
Besides when you tell me yourself how few the clippings are you see me very reassured, when I think I've fixed all single track volume only from what I was hearing !
And by the way, we already discussed that volume matter before:
ABC said (about version2):
Too loud now ?
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Sumguy21 said:
I wouldn't say so, ReplayGain, which analyzes the perceived loudness, reports -3.41dB, which isn't too loud (Your ROTJ Edit returns -4.26; louder, but most albums are louder still) Really, you should master is as loud as it can be without any clipping or unnecessary compression. More of the bits are being used this way, and any adjustments to the volume can be made through an amp.
May I recall we're speaking about what is yet a corrupted (and badly mixed) score through every releases, and no need clippings to have many saturated parts (I worked the set at very low volume before my last EQ settings). Should I give exemples ? Ok let's go:
My only concern then is about the choices I made for the sound. Through two different versions some will have a precise idea of what I did and what can be done with that score. And if you tinker with lows and treble on your hi-fi you may still have an idea of the potential of each different track.
Now I can tell you about version 3 that "the Rebels Escape" has too much bass, it fits well with the track isolately but it fits a bit less in the flow when listening to the score. "Luke's first Crash" is to low and has still that f...ing metalic resonnance accentuated with lows, and I should flatten the track a few in order to avoid this. "The Battle In the Snow" is a bit too strong and could have a bit less mediums that makes it bold, etc...
Here are some exemples of what I can do, and where are my choices.
Then I'll watch for feedbacks from people who have listenned through the set attentively considering the "poor" released materials I worked with, and that everyone knows.
Thanks for your inputs anyway.
JediMasterFisher said:
I really love the distance feel to the sound. This set is the best so far imo great work :)
Thank you very much.
Just a word to say I've got about 10 hours of different mixings, and the selection was not obvious at all... a very hard work to listen all this and judge what is best to be put together to make the set.
With time I hope I'll be able to clear my mind and my ears about it (too much work makes you blind!) and join a slightly different selection to make a more equilibrated set. But of course, just don't wait for it before... Long.
Depends on what you search for. I'm personnaly more interested in version 3 (and I highly recommend you listen to that version of the Imperial March ;) ) though the sound may be found a bit less "clear". Is that more clear to you ?
Obi-Wan said:
... How come that the RSO CD used for Track 12 contains such noise?
Many Part of this track were over saturated (when the volume was ridiculous) on the original RSO CD). It is somehow noticed in the remixing details, and it is also stated in one of my two last post whan I say the music was recorded too strong. I think the "cracklings" you mention are more related to this over saturation.
However, and despite this corruption, this is the version that shows the best the original sound for the end titles. Listen to the RSO LP and you'll find these parts are really awful and the volumes very badly managed.
Well, the End Title on the last version uploaded is quite the same mix than it it since the beginning and I've just calmed down the highs of a little nothing on this final version. There is *to me* really no problem with that track and the way I choosed to render it. I can't say the same for all the tracks.
I said working with this score is full of contradictions, and indeed I've more problems with some "clear" tracks ("Mynock Cave", "Luke's First Crash" and a few others) because they are very difficult to put in relief, or to bring to the temper of what should be the sound.
JediMasterFisher said:
... I can't imagine it sounding even better!
To be honnest, I can't myself...
... Now, having listened to the two last versions these days, I feel that there's a stronger cohesion on the previous one, but such a clarity lacks in return some relief. I mean OK you can hear quite everything, but it doesn't pop out from the orchestra. The new version may be a bit the contrary and you have to listen more carefully to catch all that happens.
- (Edit)
Explained more concretely, I think version 2 "looks" better: it's clear, very clear, and a lot of the sound is coming straight to your ears so you don't have to pay that much attention to catch the orchestra.
The new version deals in an other way: you ears have to (and are now able to) dive into the sound to catch what happens there. Now there's a distance, and you may catch several things you didn't before because you can pay atttention to the difference between them.
For exemple, "The Rebels Escape" features a far horn just after the first Vader theme (at around 40 or 50 sec). On version 2 the horn resounds without any distance as it somehow surrounds the music. On version 3 I hope your first reaction will be : "Hey, the horn is over there, in this direction, this distance!". That's exactly what I intented to do, making the choice to sacrifice (yep, one more) the way of what I consider as a flat clarity.
That's it. Hope I'll hear some people here about how they catch this difference, and what do they prefer.
Leonardo said:
I know you're gonna cut my hand off for this, please be gentle
If you would have post three words just to say "this is amazing!" I would have been (just a bit) disappointed. Critiscism is more than welcome.
I hate to be so picky... but I opened these two tracks in Cool Edit Pro 2.1, and noticed that in the highest peaks there is some clipping, it goes briefly to zero db. Perhaps it would help to set the equalizer's master level just a bit lower, say -1 db.
-1db would have been yet quite a lot. And to notice you can't deal with a track here while ignoring the others. Do you remember the first version I shared was too low, much much lower than the actual one ?... Despite this, a couple of tracks was already clipped !
I don't have the technical knowledge to explain the way this music has been managed since the 1980 recordings but what I can say is thas working on this has been full of contradictions all the way. If I say to sum up: "the worst tracks are the best ones", it would be quite close to the point.
I checked myself how much these tracks have been clipped of course, and it happens only in the highest crests of "rare" exploding moments. You probably noticed besides that these clippings occure mainly or only on very tight localisations and that the peak jumps incredibly high ton these. In my humble opinion, it has more to do with the original recording volume than with the way I dealed with them.
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The weakest point of the ESB score I'd like to point here to finish (it is more or less related to that peak matter) is to have somewhat a "dribbling" sound. It's a real problem cause you can't have anything completely clean, or... Yes you can: it will give you something very cold approaching the lifeless side of the SE's, and with a lot of relief gone, that will only -look- clean.
Just so to say this peak matter was one of the several little sacrifices necessary to obtain an equilibrated set... Ok you could say the Main Title could have been a bit lower, but it wouldn't have removed the clipping at all.
dark_jedi said:
... I am going to wait this time before jumping on.
:)
NOTE: It is recommended that you burn with "No pause between the tracks".
Ric Olie said:
Merry Ric-mas to all, and to all a good night.
And said:
Emotions have no place here.
You're off topic.
Please observe that it is an observation thread.
Good night my son (hope you enjoy your new ship).
… PUNCH IT ! J
C3PX said:
Dammit, Boon! I was really enjoying watching Rippin talk to himself...
... Hah ! You too ?
Hehe, indeed R looks a bit like a "hotaku" with his Brute.
Ripplin said:
Cletus the slack-jawed yokel has buck teeth, too.
Please stop... You go far beyond my culture. Btw, reading sometimes your discussions about series and stars I can see we don't know the 1/1000 here (and frankly, I don't need)... Only the old good classic ones.
Overwhat ? Is it half french ?
ferris209 said:
TV's Frink said:
ABC said:
Vertical Force always put things right in the end.
Watch your language! This is a family forum.
Obviously, Ric Olie's whole family is here!!!
Yep, even his yellow clone !
Ripplin said:
ABC said:
We wish him a prompt... recovery.
From what? That's what we're trying to figure out. ;)
From so much emotions (of course). But I can see he recovers very quick !
Ric Olie said:
A-B-C has come.
Chaos and confusion too.
Bah ! Just a little moment of fun and crazyness. Vertical Force always put things right in the end.
My 2nd last observation of the year: seems that my english sucks.
My 3rd last observation of the year: Ric Olie's observation skills have been hit.
... We wish him a prompt... recovery.