(Again) 20th Century Mark said:
How did I miss this...
Now, you know the answer... And as would say Han: "thank you very much !".
lol
Moth3r said:
Read the rules (No. 4) - no direct links (that includes "hidden" urls).
Sorry, I thought "undirect links" where ok, notably when they are given as there: through an image. I'm on my way to remove the "Optimum Edition" then.
I can't do anything about the actual one (remember I gave up that profile), only you can.
20th Century Mark said:
How did I miss this topic?
The reason is simple: no feedbacks ! I just bumped it two days ago.
... how do I get to hear this? Where can I find it? Can someone help me out?
All the help you need is in the opening post... or in my last one. Give a little effort please ;)
Arnold Bocklin
... Not always "safe for working".
msycamore said:
Have you posted an even newer one...? Your last one sounded fantastic, and I liked your editing choices in it. It really is a warmer feel to the sound in it, just great.
Oh no I haven't, I was talking about the actual sample you heard.
ABC, are you going to crossfade Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace, or do you point me to your film version edit? Just curious.
I played with the idea once, but these tracks have too different dynamic range.
I don't like so much crossfaded cues, and I even separated "Darth Vader's Trap" from "Departure of Boba Fett" for the same reason , taking the risk to have a bit a rough end for the first one (though I've been able to extend the last note and echo through editing).
The reading of the score is more convenient with separated cues, and I like not to have the movie running into my head when listening if you see what I mean ;)
Edit:
... or do you point me to your film version edit? Just curious.
I'm afraid I haven't edited them together as in the film. However it's easy to fix for yourself, even with the default magnetophone on your computer ! (That's what I used for the 77 SW "soundtrack salvage") :)
C3PX said:
Post-impressionist art!!! Woooooohoooooo!!!
You rock !
... Probawhat ?
EyeShotFirst said:
I will provide feedback anyway.
You spoke enough for I understand you appreciate the work. ;)
No I am not, it's new to me ;) I haven't gone through your version 3. completely yet.
Oh, my mistake. Anyway, the RSO tracks are a pleasure to be heard and I'm not to be congratulated so much for that. They just CAN sound awesome. Far hardest to deal are the filmmixes whatever they're from the Anthology or the SE.
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CD2 on v.3 is almost "final" so to say. I can't do anything more about the tracks from "Leia's worries" to "Darth Vader's Trap". "Lando's Palace" is now layered with the RSO LP, wich is itself as noisy but gives some depht (the second part is quite beautiful). Departure is now layered too. The most difficult was to get a good "Revelation/Escape from Bespin" and I finally get back to one of my first mixes wich hasn't been used for any OE version and I still wonder why. :)
I'll see once again if I can do something about the pitch for the End Titles. Btw, the "Main Title has been pitch corrected (when "Ice Planet" is actually alright") and it's sooo good.
Also the Alt "Main Title/Probe Droid" has the SE part pitch corrected too according to the beginning of "Ice Planet", and is no more the film version but is as scored for the final cut: with the "Rebel Insert" at the end - also pitch corrected but here as I felt it should sound, and it looks pretty fair.
In definitive the OE 4 might be very good, and I think it is, but the awesome piece is to be a full CD reconstructing the RSO album (then completed).
Then, the OE 4 is now upgrade to a 3CD set, with nothing new on the third though there might be one or two alternate mixes, only for a matter of presentation and comfort.
And it's already finished (despite my so called "break"). Just have I to work on the new arts and presentation.
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Note (that I'll surely edit in the opening post):
I won't speek anymore about feedbacks, thanks or hello'. The OE 4 will be thrown to a few people who might already know who they are. This thread will remain a feedback thread for the OE 3 if some have the good will to manifest. Time will tell if the OE 4 will reach OT.com's sphere one day.
May I add I don't care about being recognized for my work, that's what ABC means btw (what's more anonymous !). Only this restoration project has gone pretty far - and pretty good, the thread looks to be much viewed, and I still can count the feedbacks on my ten fingers... Hardly ! ... When most of all: it's the Empire Striles Back score...!
Do you know guys I'm the only one who can post off the rules here ?
I wished Frink kept a least my name in the "Double Secret Probation" punishment... For rememberance.
Here's what it is to insist with booby pictures !... Bouhouhooouuu !!! Shame on me !
Question: The SW musical journey dvd has "The Asteroid Field" newly remixed from the 24-tracks master tapes by Shawn Murphy.
I know someone who has this dvd but never watched it myself. Is there sfx's or dialogues on that track ?... And even though (perhaps a cool edit in the kind of the concert version can be made), how to rip the PCM track ?
msycamore said:
... I gave your latest "The Duel" a listen and it have never sounded this good before, perfect!!
:) Thanks, but once again you're wrong ! lol... I haven't uploaded anything new from CD 2 now, and I can't tell myself on wich OE version I used the actual sample as I have (now) three mixes for this cue. It's a difficult one to adapt to the set as it's the cue wich has the more depht.
... I can see the new "Mynock Cave" still haven't caught your attention, hehe ;) oh, and about the SE version:
... I can't believe I've never noticed that, its sounds very artificial, weird...
... I noticed the stereo was indeed exceptionnaly wide, and I'm quite sure they enlarged it on this cue. I 've narrowed the stereo to make a try and looks to work very well. I'll confirm or not in the remixing details.
Btw, the new "Duel" version (I'll change the sample soon), has been accurately pitch corrected with the Anthology, what makes the intro really fit. For info, this means I sped up the track to 0,8%.
EyeShotFirst said:
ABC, is there a mix of Bounty for Captain Solo/Attacking a Star Destroyer that doesn't have the buzz during the bassoon solo? Every version I have ever heard had it.
Hahaha ! :)
... What looks like a buzz (I concur), is in fact... A cello !
As I plan to redo that track from the beginning you just gave me an idea: I may try to make it sound closer as it is located on the right channel. I think it sounds too far. But it's not a promise, we'll see...
Hi there,
I already thanked Ady once, but here I go again :)
I've only watched SW:R once (good things are not to be abused), but each time I remember Star Wars, it is this spectacular show I remember...
Then once again, thank you !
Rogue Leader said:
... However, I'm sure he knows of Revisited and really... I think there's a good reason why Revisited hasn't had the hammer dropped on it. At least I have a good theory. ;)
Perhaps because of the noise it would make... No? (Understand: advert).
bump !
... For the best Tomlinson mixes rendition so far, I'd suggest that one. ;) (link on CD2 track 14).
Not perfect as it was my first "true" edit but not bad, and the sound holds on all the line next to the Anthology. Otherwise check my OT Soundtrack Salvage... And bump the thread !
ABC said:
msycamore said:
I'm not saying that Tomlinson's tracks is free from problems, but his original filmmixes are imo.
Do you think he's responsible of both the Sountrack and Film versions? Well, that's something I don't quite well unserstand... (If there's a difference I mean)
What I observe is that...
- the original RSO soundtrack gives a strong relief to some instruments that are unheard or spoiled on the Anthology. (ringing instruments, percussions, flutes etc...) and a completely different touch to the sound... So are they still to be called "Tomlinson mixes" on the Anthology ?
- That the SE uses the exact same mixes from the Anthology for the non-Risner tracks ...
Conclusion (imo): the RSO version rules.
Well, that discussion has become interesting so far, so here are some answers according to the awesome stuff I could read ;) :
The Anthology uses mostly the Tomlinson filmmixes untouched (though they're far from a 1st generation copy). What I thought to be the Anthology signature - the large stereo - is finally Tomlinson signature. This is how he's rendered the sound for the film.
The RSO uses the original master tapes, and John Williams with an assistant deal with the sound in an other way: they narrowed the stereo image, they added compression, reverb, and perhaps some EQ's. Plus, they highlighted some parts of the multi-tracks: that's why we hear some instruments unheard in the other mixes.
The SE (after my own observations) tried on the Tomlinson mixes the same processes that has been done on the RSO, mostly compression and narrowing the stereo... And perhaps reverb. Unfortunately, it is not very well managed. Anyway, the "Tomlinson mixes" are not to be called that much on the SE.
Anyway, my choicse are confirmed once for all. And if the Tomlinson mixes are quite alright for the film with their envelopping stereo, I largely prefer the J. Williams remixes from the high quality RSO recordings as a material for remixing, and as the definitive reference for the best listening experience.
And for what is about compression and reverb, here's surely what I tend to compensate with my EQ as far as I don't use such processes. Always trying to get what is the more natural of course.
Hoping it makes all clear ;)
ABC IS NOW HAVING A BREAK.
WOAH ! Stop the press !!!
msycamore, I was just reading what you sent to me, and it's an unvaluable detailed report on the story of this (these) recordings. Thank you so much !
It confirms everything that I observed and fixed (and I begin to realise how valuable is now my work, mostly on v.4)... But let's stay humble, I should say "managed" rather than "fixed".
The story and the loss of these recordings is incredible. Only, one day perhaps they will spend effort to force Polygram to locate the LP masters and if they're not dead may release something exceptionnal.
Anyway,
That was exactly what I needed, you really rock ! :) :) :)
Risner remixed the 24-track tapes very badly with instruments located in the opposite direction etc. and many of them can never sound great, no matter what you do with them.
According to the listing you've posted it's funny to notice how much is left from his work on the OE:
... Tomlinson rules by K.O. in the first round !
I'm not saying that Tomlinson's tracks is free from problems, but his original filmmixes are imo.
Do you think he's responsible of both the Sountrack and Film versions? Well, that's something I don't quite well unserstand... (If there's a difference I mean)
What I observe is that...
But I haven't listened the film mixes too carefuly to compare I must say, excepted perhaps the End Titles, wich sounds quite close to the Anthology track (I mean CD2 version, wich sounds different from the other tracks... ).
Conclusion (imo): the RSO version rules.
... And again:
Monroville said:
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When using Cryptloader or JDownloader:
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Ric Olie said:
Nah, we're all good. I don't hate anyone here - it's not in my nature. hot.like.olie might even give you some advice if you ask again.
No of course, only despise... The Broc Olie affair has produced something weirdly serious I think.
Looks like ABC is "Not Safe For Joking" with !
But that's ok.
Well, looks like the coarse style of the collagen woman has hurted at least two people here. Then I changed the picture for a more presentable one.
Still not safe ?...
msycamore said:
... if you look at this chart of the remixed cues on the SE for example, it's not hard to see why the SE is so inconsistent.
Wow !... Nice listing Msycamore ! Where did you get that ?
However I strongly suspect the only Risner mix on "Ion Canon" is the last bit, or let's say the second half. Besides, I couldn't have layered the Anthology on the first part as easily as I did if it was his mix because I notice those ones are too fast (as Mangobyebye noticed some SE tracks where overpitched) ;)
If you layer the Tomlinson mixes from the SE with the the Anthology ones, each infinitesimal bit fits at its place, excepted that you have to check if the frequencies are inverted or not (most of the time they are), and you have to re-edit all the track because of very slight differences in the cuts. (I tried layers for "Attack Position" and "Escape From Bespin" and had to re-edit the SE in 5 or 6 parts... Those cuts are unnoticeable otherwise so much the difference in the sound is slight or null).
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Ok, Risner made something really weird with those tracks... But he's not the only one responsible of the catastrophic SE:
All the Tomlinson mixes are f**ked up by the processing of the remastering: the equalization, possibly compression and many stereo modifications have brought this set to a painful and poor experience.
As you can read in my notes, the SE track for "Mynock Cave" have each channel isolated from the other: the instruments from the left sound only on the left and the right ones on the right, what the RSO surely doesn't do. If you sit in a concert hall it would be weird that a wall separe the musicians and so you can't hear the instruments sound melting... !!! You probably noticed that in my "Ice Planet" edit besides. EDIT: concerning "Mynock Cave", the statement made here looks to be finally true only for the parts that were missing on the RSO recording... Coincidence ?
Then, if Bryan Risner missed the multitracks mixing, Dan Hersh achieved to slaughter the set with his way to handle digital processing !
Nice team !
msycamore said (About Mynock Cave):
Fair enough, your version of it will be a very good alternative for me, if it doesn't sound to rude;)
...? You just have to listen what's after "Jedi Master Revealed" on the sample to find out... This version is definitive (and sounds like "Vader and the Emperor" for an idea).
I understand it must be very hard if you have to tone down the great sounding tracks to better match the inferior ones...
That's not exactly what I meant. The difficulty here is to choose or detect what is to be highlighted or not. The frequencies can be differenciated a lot on "Aboard the Executor" and will still sound natural. There's no corrupted frequencies once the noise from the remastering is removed, on the contrary of almost all the score (any source).
But anyway the contrary is a lot more difficult. I've just spent days and more working on "Carbon Freeze" and "Darth Vader's Trap", even trying accurate layers with the SE to borrow a little of the bass/medium roundness. I believed it worked and was good during a time but unfortunately in the end I observe that if I increased the power and dynamic of the tracks, the depht has decreased. Then after having tried more than ten versions for each track I finally come back to the v.3 final mix for them as they show the more judicious choices.