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#401468
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Info: ¤ RETURN OF THE JEDI ¤ Score Restoration - another OPTIMUM SET ?...
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skyjedi2005 said:

I know your set is pretty good as it is.  But is there any way to do a film edit?

 Hey, nice to hear from you. Well, thanks but it was not as good as I though it was the last time we spoke together. Someone proposed me a LP rip... Let's see.

I'm not too found of certain cuts from the film (I remember the rancor sequence), anyway in the wait I'm opened to all suggestions. However I may stick on the idea of a 1CD set, as ESB almost killed me !

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#401450
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J. Williams &amp; LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK <em>AUDIOPHILE EDITION</em> - Restored &amp; Remastered Score (Released)
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msycamore said:

Yes, I've noticed the problems with that track, this must really be a headache for you! But I think you have done some wonders to it already.

 Thanks. However I only corrected the stereo on "carbon Freeze" and "Departure" on the previous OE versions, I haven't dared touching "Darth Vader's Trap" before as I wasn't aware enough of these problems.

If you listen the comparison sample posted above your left ear will be pleased to discover what is to be heard from this side of the orchestra. It really changes the cue.

... And yes, that's a headache to go back because you realise you missed something that you haven't caught before. You have no idea ! ;) ... I think some tracks have seen more than 30 versions since the beginning !

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#401396
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J. Williams &amp; LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK <em>AUDIOPHILE EDITION</em> - Restored &amp; Remastered Score (Released)
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As a sidenote, you don't have idea how much tracks from the Anthology are corrupted and clipped ! The "Recording the Star Wars Saga" doc doesn't give the whole statement about ESB. Not mentionning the convertion of the Tomlinson mixes as 2-channel stereo tracks: did you ever notice there's almost all the orchestra sounding on the left with mostly isolated instruments and a far echo of the bunch on the right...? (Looks like it's mainly the left channel wich sounds saturated, wich is clipped and recorded too strong, as it looks to be mostly this one containing the 50hz tone for the film synchro too).

Then I can't sincerely tell if my stereo corrections on the Anthology are a real "restoration", or just a compensation. Anyway, sure it's better and sounds fair.

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#401394
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J. Williams &amp; LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK <em>AUDIOPHILE EDITION</em> - Restored &amp; Remastered Score (Released)
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msycamore said:

To my ears the speed/pitch seems wrong in your latest "The Duel". I'm sorry to say this but I prefer your previous one.

 Possible you ears are too much used to the previous version. I'll check against the movie, it'll be easy to know and to have it back if needed.

To notice, "Escape From Bespin" has had a light stereo correction since the sample (left channel up of about 1db).

I'm just wondering (maybe a dumb question, as I don't have the knowledge about this sort of thing) but when you say you have recentered the stereo on some tracks don't you degrade the quality of the audiofile if you work with the previous equalized one?

The "recentering" consists in lifting the volume of the lower channel. I don't degrade the quality of the track, nor its sound but indeed most of the time the left and right channels don't give exactly the same results through EQ because of their orchestration. I took back a lot of tracks from the beginning recently thinking I would have better results if I recentered the stereo first and I found out that it was not necessarily the case, so no worries.

However there may be particular cases: "Darth Vader's Trap" has its right channel completely f..ked up with over modulation and clipping, and is around 4 to 6db louder than it should on some parts (next to 1 or 2db for other tracks). It also misses medium frequencies on the same channel and I had to re-EQ it isolately. So yes, for this one I had to take it back fom the beginning.

The difference then is that the OE version of this track was equalized segment by segment considering the background hiss difference where in fact the real problem from wich was due these differences was the balance for each of these parts. The new one has been corrected first and equalized as a whole track and there's no more background noise difference... It's sounds the same everywhere.

Here are for comparison my best version of it, next to the OE3 version. It can't sound "excellent" but it gives a better idea of what it may give through an uncorrupted recording I think. The cut at the end of the track will stay as I did it on the AE version, not to melt the awesome track that follows it:

DARTH VADER'S TRAP (new try/ OE3 comparison)

... if you work with the previous equalized one?

A precision on this: I don't work from the OE3 equalized tracks, but most of the time from my first mixings: A basic equalization meant to remove the more obvious abuses or noise. And also I can balance a track and keep my EQ settings as filters that are not definitively applyed on the track.

However if I balance a track that is definitive what is rare, the lifting is generally too low to really affect the final result, or when it does it always gives a better one, as for "The Duel".

... But you're right to ask, one must pay attention to these little details.

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#400973
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This Thread Is Currently About...Bingo and/or Wings!!!
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TheBoost said:

I think Superman Returns was probably worse than anything in the Prequel Trilogy. Kate Bosworth's Lois was worse than Hayden's Anakin. Luthor's plot made less since than Republic Poitics. Superman was less likable than the Jedi. The action was worse than Jar Jar's humor.

 Not mentionning it looked like pretending to be a "remake" of the 1st.

In the other side, John Ottman's score for this is not far from "Gorgeous".