Sign In

4throck

User Group
Trusted Members
Join date
4-Sep-2017
Last activity
19-Feb-2019
Posts
104

Post History

Post
#1267929
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

You should see the mini series. Very low budget, odd accents, but very faithful to the book. The only real letdown is the bad CGI… 1984 models do look better.

Here’s the intro with added images as she speaks. For the sake of discussion give it a look 😃
The navigator’s “seeing eye” part does work, the rest adds little.
Still, it gives good information without being a awkward narration.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18vu_lQXi6FBLDcKQ9g_vc-nXcTTPfbM5

I’ll move on to the “guild report” and see what comes out of it.

Post
#1267883
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Yes, the sets are from the miniseries.

Tried that variation of the intro showing the guild, navigators, emperor and it’s a bit confusing.
You see many images with no context and tend to disregard the words.
On the other hand it does feel something Lynch might do.
Will work on it a bit more and share it latter.

Thinking a bit about the Guild report segment.
It’s logical to have Paul’s voice. Atreides intelligence might have intercepted the “secret report within the guild”. And that’s what he’s reading on his pad.
Makes sense to show it after the navigator’s visit to the emperor. It provides a better explanation to what’s happening and also a reason for the Paul x Gurney fight scene. The Atreides are aware of something.

Post
#1267424
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

snooker said:
Obi-Wan, after speaking with Jango, goes to report his findings to the council:

It’s confusing. He starts speaking with the council while walking out?

Perhaps you can show the antenna going up as soon as he walks out, that would make things faster but still be realistic.
Then show the council being slow and showing inaction. Trim the dialog, but let the reaction shots play.
Obi-wan is fast paced, the council is slow and inactive.

The voice is a bit off, perhaps you can try just having new lines for Mace.
Obi-wan only need a reaction shot and a single sentence, perhaps you can source that from another movie.

Post
#1267417
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Ronster said:

Prophecy Intro - (Water Droplets)

This is not a bad guess at how it was set up originally before the Virginia Madsen intro was filmed.

I’ve never seen the story book, thanks for the info.

Indeed, instead of showing the Reverend Mother right away, I can just keep her voice and show first a montage of water drops, guild ships and spice production.
So we would go from Space to Arrakis to spice, ending on the reverend mother, the Freemen listening and then the hand.

Will do it when possible…

Post
#1267221
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

That’s great info!

Indeed that part is missing from the film and it shows. A second guild report is doable, since we already have one and it only needs static images.

Here’s what I have with the intro linked to Paul’s dream and the first Atreides segment.
Used the water theme to link the segments and it works I think.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SLsn1g-C1XOcqune3uuvUu4J6dRMG0Zi

I’ve included the two moons effect from the trailer 😉
It’s a rough edit in places but it does go from A to B and provides good explanation.

We know of a secret and a higher power at work, we see that it’s connected to Paul.
But we see this from Paul’s POV, so we dont’ know much.
Also important is Jessica mentioning “it has to be this night” regarding the conception of Alia.

The space opera aspect will come on the next segment (guild + emperor).

Post
#1267081
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

I think it’s one of those “you know I know you know” situations.

The guild doesn’t care about the sisterhood knowing.

The visit to the Emperor might even be intentional to let them know 😉
Because right after the visit, the Reverend Mother is prepared to kill Paul.

So they take her to Caladan, no questions asked. It’s in their interest.
I think the secrecy is only not to loose face.

Post
#1267061
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Again interesting ideas. I agree that Dune needs to have better space scenes to introduce the planets.
Star Wars does this very well, the viewer gets oriented with no need for titles.

To show CHOAM we can use some videos from the Emperor - Battle for Dune game.
You can see the Guild and Bene Geserit together discussing things.
They would only work as matte elements. Will try something when I have the time 😉

Post
#1267036
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Ronster said:
You know here is a radical idea… Use Battle Beyond the Stars Ships shots which have been in about 5 films in Dune!

😃 Some of those might work, specially this one:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNGU3M2FjNTEtZjcxNC00NTNmLWI3N2EtMjBmMDBkYzBiNjgzXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUyNDk2ODc@.V1.jpg

Really similar to what we already have on Dune…

But the Guild has monopoly on space travel. This is important and we need to show it.
So a similar style for all craft is important.

Post
#1266895
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Thanks again for the great suggestions.
I was thinking of having parts of the princess narration on Paul’s visions.
I’d like to avoid narration at all if possible. I think the story is clear enough if you order the scenes logically.

I suggest this sequence:

» the Prophecy
» Paul at Caladan. No film book, just introduce his training, the Atreides staff and let him have the conversation with the Duke.
» Secret Report within the Guild and the Emperor.
» Paul’s test by the reverend mother

This is very self contained and avoids introducing many places and characters at once.

Post
#1266684
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Yes, some scenes are out of sequence.

Played a bit with the opening sequence. This can go right after the credits.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14eYOV5UNt04k2QzBlEoPFEHOlqhs18XF

It’s a mix of the deleted scene with the theatrical and TV version.
Disregard the fades, sound, etc, etc. Just a test.

It needs some shots of the Freemen assembled, the planet for orbit, etc…
But shows that there’s enough material to do something different!

Post
#1266630
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

I’m a big fan of Spicediver’s version.

My main problem with Dune is that the ending has a very different editing style.
So perhaps I could try to edit the beginning in that style.

Most of the scenes can be shorter with no dialog loss, if edited properly.
He have enough reaction takes for that.

Perhaps internal monologue could be moved to Bene Gesserit mind reading or Paul’s vision sequences.

Post
#1266021
Topic
Dune radical edit ideas
Time

Let’s discuss radical edit ideas for Dune.

To start we have Lynch’s original idea of ending the film much sooner, with Paul’s dream in the desert.
This opens the door to play with dream sequences, visions and non-linear elements to complete the story.

Another route is to restructure the story.
Starting with Paul and the prophesy might work. Perhaps only show the emperor late in the story?

How about forgetting the book and making Arrakis a desert area on a larger planet, with each house on a different continent? Might work better since we don’t have many space effect shots.

I’d like to know what you think about this

Post
#1265834
Topic
STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
Time

Yes, those shots are from Jedi.
You can see Luke walking behind Vader on this shot:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/Vader_leaving_Cloud_City.png/revision/latest?cb=20130324062628

Look here for more info: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases