Vhs hifi tracks can be quite good. It’s a pure analog recording with 20-20000 frequency response. I think that noise is also quite low.
Early 1990s NTSC video was generally mastered to different monitors than we have today. So you need to adjust gamma, saturation and hue. In fact the colorspace might even be slightly different, but I don’t think there’s any software to handle that.
So your best bet is to adjust “by hand”. You can use the TNG remasters are reference, since uniforms and some sets will be similar.
Or you can take a look here: http://blog.trekcore.com/2019/05/exclusive-star-trek-deep-space-nine-hd-what-we-left-behind-footage/
On my tests I used something like gamma 1.4; saturation 130% and a -4% hue shift. Also clipped black a bit on levels.
I’ve analyzed the pilot’s DVD video structure and I have good and bad news.
The good news both the live action and effect shots are at 24 fps, encoded as 3:2 pulldown. So no separate processing is needed. (The initial crawl is at 30 fps but I think it can be disregarded)
The bad news is that the show was edited on video (60/30 fps), so scene changes don’t match 24fps.
That is, scene changes can occur at any frame, and break the 3:2 pulldown pattern.
So we get interlaced frames here and there, until the pulldown filter adapts. I’m using VirtualDub, but the same should apply to other software.
3:2 pulldown only: https://streamable.com/xg8qrs
One option is to run a deinterlacer over the 24fps material. You end up with some duplicate frames and deinterlace artifacts.
3:2 pulldown + deinterlace: https://streamable.com/4i214c
Another option is to simulate what an old CRT would do, and simply deinterlace everything and present it at 60fps. You get duplicate frames and some deinterlace artifacts, but it doesn’t look bad.
Deinterlace to 60p: https://streamable.com/wqrhbi
I decided to try a frame based upscaler on the first 2 versions.
On top you have the result at 960x720. On the bottom row I unsharpened to images to analyze detail.
As expected the 3:2 pulldown only version has better detail.
So it’s a tricky situation…
PS - all DVD samples had level, gamma and saturation adjusted. I also run a chroma filter to get rid of line artifacts on some frames.
They look a little on the soft side (probably due to noise and grain reduction). Let’s wait and see.
The general softness can mean that they are free from edge enhancement.
But I agree that on gradients and low contrast areas there’s almost no detail. Compression is really hard here.
On the other hand DVDs usually have macroblocks on such areas…
Baobab Archiver said:
I’m not sure if these will be a better source or not, but worth a look.
Looking at the JPGs these upscales might have less compression artifacts than the DVDs. In terms of visual detail, it’s in line with a good 640x480 master tape. Again, might be slightly better than the DVDs.
I too would like a sample of the unaltered capture. I just want to run some filters on VirtualDub. We have a tricky situation here with 60i » 24p / 30p content…
This will not interfere with Animaxx’s work, just experimenting other possible solutions.
Yes, just mentioning this for the best 😃 Not a critique of your work.
PM me a raw sample of the DVD intro if you can 😉
This is an interesting project, but looking at your first 3 steps:
- Copy the original DVD-Stream (VOB-Files) from the NTSC-DVD (SD-Resolution at 720x480p in 4:3 at VFR between 23,976 and 29,970 FPS)
- Recode the episode to conform to a constant Framerate of 23,976 FPS
- Deinterlace the episode to go from interlaced to progressive
I spot some problems there. I strongly doubt there’s any variable frame rate on those DVDs *
What you should have is a standard NTSC 3:2 pull-down for the 24fps film segments, and standard 60fps video for the effect composites.
So your first step would be to get rid of the pull-down, and that would also remove any interlace artifacts on the film segments. You get 24fps non interlaced video.
The effect sequences require a separate treatment. There a normal deinterlace filter would do, coupled with frame rate conversion (60 » 24fps).
- Your SD sample from the DVD is very strange. It’s a 60fps video with doubled frames. Did you run a deinterlacer on it ? There’s some residual interlaced frames when it switches to the battle scene (frame 2212).
Can you share the original sequence in unchanged VOB/MP2 format ?
As you are doing, you are running a line doubling deinterlacer (step 3). I seem to see some deinterlace artifacts on your SD-Quality (NTSC DVD) link images. And why are those images in 768x576 ?
I not saying this to put you down, just to prevent you from spending more time with something that has problems from the start. PM me to further discuss this, perhaps I can help!
(of course I might be wrong, but from the images you posted I seem to stop these problems)
Not just on that scene.
Your added colors and effects are great!
But the untouched elements from the new masters just look grey and dull to me. It looks like gamma is off or something.
I wonder if they mastered this to something other than BT.709…
You improved it a bit but it’s still too dark in general.
It’s perfect on the Admiral Ackbar scene. So go for that look.
But it’s awful on the first Luke image. He’s brown over a gray background…
I’m not a fan of the new overall gray and dull look. It’s from the new transfer, right?
I think you can increase contrast and saturation a bit.
I played a bit with this movie and it can be improved by some scene reordering and trimming of Roper and Williams.
- Open with Roper and Williams flashbacks
- Tighten pacing on Lee’s fight, abbot scene, recruitment.
- Tighten boat sequence to get them all to the island quick.
- Add deleted scenes to show Lee as a master (show his book)
- On the island, tighten dinner scene around Lee
- Only one night passes (condense all action to one night)
- All tournament sequences happen the following morning/day, trim Roper and Williams fights.
Just putting this here because it works reasonably well and fits the existing footage.
Looking forward to your work with the deleted scenes.
I don’t care for the initial Luke scene, but Toshi Station and Biggs are good and should be in the movie.
I’d also put that short distant take of Han with the girl on the cantina, and a few frames of the girl leaving right before Luke and Obi-Wan approach Han.
Some boards can capture 30fps video from PAL sources… so don’t bother with that.
VHS has large timing variations anyway (speed variations, dropouts, etc).
You always need to manually match the audio between sources.
Skin color is hard. I’d try to match Han from TFA. That way it won’t be subjective.
I agree that ROTJ needs visual intensity. So anything done in that regard is good.
May I suggest adding some fog elements ?
There’s some decent green screen fog/dust footage that you could use for Endor. Perhaps alternate between sunlight and fog to show different places ?
As it is we get the impression that it was all filmed in the same small stretch of forest…
Top work! Really liked it 😁
I’m surprised by the prequel feel. It’s the new color grading perhaps!
Not sure Added Lucrehulk, Hammerhead and U-wing to a couple of shots during the battle. They are from YouTube’s green screen, so I’ll keep them if they are at least bearable.
In the background and slightly blurred the should look fine. Try the fan film “Battle of the Dreadnoughts” for some extra battle footage…
Not sure Added a couple of shots from deleted scenes (probably the rebels firing from the Falcon’s turrets).
Yes, because those guys are seen behind Lando and then disappear. And if I’m not mistaken one of the dudes is seen on TROS firing the turret 😉
(I’d also recommend you add some of the bunker action, to make up for the trimmed Ewok action)
About the Obi/Mace scene and the theatrical version with Obi/Mace/Yoda do we really need it in the movie ?
We have a previous Jedi council scene where they assign the Kamino mission, and there should be some urgency to this.
It’s odd having Obi-Wan speaking to Mace in a relaxed manner when he needs to pursue the Bounty Hunter.
So I’d just cut this scene out.
V2 is better, but the music must can’t start over Han and Luke’s dialog. It feels out of place and disconnected from their conversation. But it plays well over the space scenes.
Just to add that the colorspace on those LDs is different from what’s used today on most devices (sRGB).
In fact, there are 3 NTSC color spaces, with the older ones having more information than sRGB:
And those LDs might even use the older (pre 1987) NTSC primaries ( https://www.saji8k.com/displays/color-space/ntsc-1953/ ), that give a larger color space than sRGB.
This is technical, but something to take into account if you are interested in preserving the original color timing.
You need to convert the colorspace to get that.
A quick conversion of the stills posted above to sRGB gives me this:
No clue on how to do it for a video file…
I’ll explain better later, but you can check AOTC for good examples of digital zooming and panning 😁
OK here’s a good example of what I’m talking about:
All the zooms and most of the pans on that video are digital. That is, they were added in editing to create dynamic and better framing. You can do the same with Jedi’s mostly static effect shots. Just don’t go crazy with it, zoom only up to 105%, it doesn’t need much.
(if you like the video please subscribe to the channel - it’s mine 😉 and it really needs a boost 😉 )
Subtle but good color correction 😉
The second image shows how uninspired ROTJ can be. Just look at that framing, with half the image showing… trees.
One think you can do to improve this is to crop and reframe shots, adding some minor camera movement or zoom.
Lucas does the same on the prequels so it’s fair game I think!
That deleted conversation bothers me a lot because it should be in the movie. I can’t figure out why they added “maclunkey” but not this bit of dialog…
Good work on the shoot out!
For the the main problem remaining in your version is that we hear those arms grabbing the Tantive, but on the exterior shot the ship is still being pulled.
Perhaps you can use some Rogue One footage to make up for the missing footage ?
There’s a shot from the Destroyer towards the Tantive that might work.
Anakin Starkiller said:
How 'bout adding the Emperor to ANH as well?
“This Sith Lord sent by the Emperor”
Just use that dialog over establishing shots…
About new mattes, the problem is that new art is mostly CGI and it doesn’t match with the rest.
If we had replacement paintings (could be based on CGI elements, but with the style needs to be hand painted) it might work.
Yet I’ve also looked everywhere for better backgrounds but there aren’t any…