How about going from the window jump directly to the foot chase using a wipe ? You can use Anakin holding to the drone as you wipe. We get that the drone is taking him back to Zam…
Thanks for the comments. Yes, focusing on the main heroes is always better, so the bunker struggle feels more intense like this.
There are a few more things I’d like to try, such as adding the original Jaba’s palace entrance arch.
It ended up on TFA, so there’s some usable footage there 😃
I also need to show Luke’s hand waving while 3CPO is telling the story 😉
But I haven’t located any usable footage yet.
And it would be nice to show the Empire retreating to hyperspace after the Death Star is destroyed…
But no rush, I’ll get to it eventually.
This is some of his work, it’s phenomenal.
Not bad but the camera work is nothing like ROTJ. Unless you replace all of the effect shots it will not blend, in my opinion.
It’s so funny that you bring this up, because I’ve been working on a montage scene like this for the past week, and I’m posting up a rough edit now. …
The problem here is continuity regarding places and characters. But yes, some fan films might work. I’ve tried having the rebels fake capture using fan film footage (see my thread) and it can work.
Any advice to help make the final product all blend seamlessly…
It’s hard to blend because the cinematography is different, specially CGI.
My best advice is to work with the deleted scenes from Jedi and perhaps a few takes from the Ewoks movies.
It’s possible to restore the original space battle sequence, and that changes the pacing a bit - see the link to my thread below. You can also throw in General Madine and add the Jerjerrod subplot to add more scale to the movie.
Please take a look at some of my ROTJ experiments, might be helpful:
Looks great ! I dont notice any problems.
Interesting, it has a sort of Tarantino feel 😃
Very interesting and that explains observations I’ve made whilst watching the current DS9 airings on the Horror Channel. 😃
Sorry for the OT but I think it’s relevant regarding preservation.
It’s easy to spot the effect on saturated colors. Here’s something from Season 1 (1993):
Pause at 0:09 and look at that red/orange background (on the left), at 2:36 the green lights and at 3:12 the wormhole (a bit violet). All are washed out, light and a bit off. So if you see this, these are not Hue or saturation errors. It’s just a different colorspace being used.
I mentioned shaders, so here’s a link about that: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/912720-color-correction-htpc-simpler-solution-now-really-works.html
Have fun 😃
Any ideas about Zardoz ? I guess it’s possible to:
- do a chronological cut
- trim the weird stuff
- add chapters / title cards
For I’m just looking for ideas and direction.
I feel this movie is overlooked but has a lot of potential for fan editing 😃
I like it VERY MUCH!
For reference, here’s some fashion in real 2 strip Technicolor
It matches really well 😃
My suggestion here would be to edit the movie into a serial.
One interesting aspect of old NTSC sources is the wider colorspace. This was only changed in the 1990s:
For example the first seasons of Star Trek DS 9 use the old colorspace. This was not corrected for DVD release, even on the PAL versions. That why the colors look so unsaturated and off. We are viewing them on sRGB / EBU displays with a smaller color space!
Interestingly, this NTSC colorspace is very close to the current DCI-P3, used for 4K HDR TV.
Just something to take into account when preserving NTSC masters. If the colors are really off, it needs colorspace conversion. There are some Media Player Shaders that can handle it for playback I think.
Been toying around with something, applied a 2 strip technicolor lut on TPM.
Nice! Now go full 1920s with 4:3 aspect ratio and low fidelity mono sound 😃
The colors were never that consistent throughout the OOT.
It’s simple, they where basically white and what we see are color shifts due to the special effects.
With each photographic pass the film shifts a bit towards yellow, magenta or cyan… Here’s a random image that shows this: https://i0.wp.com/www.coffeewithkenobi.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/A-wing-ROTJ.jpg?ssl=1
Notice the Cyan window supports and specially the magenta A-Wing. Each element has a different shift.
Jedi, having more complex effects, suffers a lot from this.
Looks animated and in slow motion… Try some blur to simulate fast movement 😉
A very rough attempt to dub the lines about “this Sith lord” from the audio drama into the conference room scene.
Sorry about the low volume and the backwards shuttle 😉
Obviously the calm voice doesn’t match with the acting, but it is fun to watch.
Yes, it works 😃
But I’d make it shorter, this should be like the troopers searching Tatooine’s desert. Just a few seconds.
You can also place a Destroyer in orbit of the planet (so we understand where the transmission is coming from), and intercut the stormtroopers with the hologram (break the sentences on “rebel base”).
Breaking the sentences makes it look as if the communication was longer and we are only seeing the important bits, it becomes more dynamic.
But it’s fine as it is, just sharing ideas 😃
What you are describing is redoing the entire sound mix… There’s no easy way to separate the elements from the mono mix. At least not with the usual sound editing software. So it would be months of work. Also few people have a 5.1 system on their computer for sound mixing… I don’t 😃
Yet I think something can be done. I suggest doing it in steps.
First, go for a simpler Stereo mix, where you just add music from the stereo soundtrack recording.
There might be problems with this, since the mono mix already has the music in (phasing and time problems), but it’s worth a try.
Second, look at the Japanese version. It needs to be recut to match the US version I think, but if it’s usable (no sudden changes in music or sound effect it should be usable. The Blue Ray already has an English dub with surround sound…
I don’t mind giving this a look, PM me so we can discuss it a bit more.
No promises but I’d like to help 😃
Looking at IMDB, the Japanese version was in Dolby.
If you playback a Dolby track on any surround amp, you get a nice 5.1 up-mix. It works because the system is the same, they just called it Dolby for theaters and Dolby Surround for home.
PC playback will also get you 5.1 sound (many codecs do this).
So you don’t need to upmix it, just let the player do it’s work.
The US version is mono, so there’s not much that can be done there.
You could in theory create a new mix using the stereo and surround channels from the Japanese version and the US mono as the center channel… but the edits are different, right ?
Can’t wait to see what you come up with. Battlefront II has some nice concepts for Endor ( https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6E5yn )
Well, the higher the resolution the better it compresses, specially for the same amount of global detail.
That’s because pixel level artifacts and macroblocks become smaller in comparison 😃
With sound it’s the same, we use 48kHz and 32bit compression to reduce artifacts.
But the actual source material might only needs 32kHz and 12 bit in terms of actual detail.
I understand the reasoning behind using 720p for ANH and I agree for uncompressed images.
But for compressed videos, you need a higher resolution to keep all the 720p detail. And most people are likely to see highly compressed versions 😉
Here’s an interesting example with images (Higher resolution or lower compression JPG’s?):
Resolution always wins 😃
Yes, that is a problem. But perhaps you can crop or stabilize some scenes from these:
Thinking about some closeups of storm troopers patrolling and looking, just a few seconds at most.
Then you cut to the hologram.
Interesting! Perhaps you can incorporate some fan movie footage and show them searching the abandoned base ? I’ve seen some good fan movies about Storm Troopers that might work here.
Here’s something that I’ve been messing around with:
Great work on those lightsabre videos!
For the Vader vision, how about a black or dark grey background, like Rey in the cave 😃 ?
Makes sense since the situation is the same: a character facing himself.
I like that you have used a bit of the Tusken village.
I suggest that when we get to this latter on, Anakin finds his mother already dead inside the tent.
Makes perfect sense symbolically I think.
… the only place I’ve ever watched it was actually on my laptop.
As others mentioned, some movies need a “cinematic” experience to work. It’s related to pacing, photography, sound design, absence of distractions, etc. On a small screen you don’t notice certain details that keep you engaged.
Check if there’s some theater running classical movies around you. It’s a completely different experience. A good example is 2001. Slow movie if you watch it at home, feels tense and fast paced in the theater.
Just go directly from 0:20 to 2:00 😉
Add the deleted scene, it improves Doku and Padmé characters.
For me the best approach to this is:
-Anakin finds his mother already dead and then kills everyone.
-Use a few takes from the garage scene with no dialog, or just a few lines about Anakin being too late / not being able to save his mother.