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What is wrong with... Attack of the Clones? - a general discussion thread — Page 11

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Hal 9000 said:

I dislike how she seems to be so strong and capable right out the gate. In ANH, Luke comes across as kind of an idiot, and only later with training grows.

And why exactly does our main protagonist have to be damn near pathetic in the beginning?

In comparison to Luke in ESB Rey is still well behind him so there’s still plenty of progression for her character

You might point out that he destroyed the Death Star by opening up to the Force with little prior instruction.

I also may point out that he deflected 3 bolts from the training droid when told to stretch out with his feelings; which is something anyone could have told him. Furthermore, he did this while his view was obstructed. But no one bats an eye at that either.

But Rey shows up able to pilot the Falcon through an escape that would make Han wince,

I’m not exactly sure you what mean? Wince as on wincing at how she almost crashed the Falcon before the chase even started? Or wincing at how she skidded it across the ground during the chase?

OR are you implying that he would wince at how good her performance is or that he would be wincing if he were in her shoes? Kind of hard to believe seeing as how this is the man the flew through an asteroid field as if he was walking down the goddamn sidewalk.

a ship she strongly implied to never have flown before

But she has flown other ships and he has had experience using a flight simulator. And even then her performance was pretty decent at best.

Also I retort with the fact that Luke had never flown an X-Wing before and still managed to do a more than fine job in a dog fight. Bullseying womprats in your T-16 is NOT like being in a space battle with pilots who are far more experienced than him.

as well as do things via the Force that Luke took years to discover.

She’s a fast learner but so is Luke apparently. At least when it comes to blast deflection.

And if I’m playing by your standards, this opinion has been very prevalent following the release of the film, so you must be objectively wrong for disagreeing.

A lot of people also think Kylo Ren whined in the film where the isn’t one line of dialogue to prove it and the definition of whining doesn’t suit his actions. Ever heard of a popular misconception?

Change her to male and none of this is any different.

The feats don’t chance but the perception of those feat do. I bet my right foot that if Rey was a male there wouldn’t be so many people bitching about it. There have been so many male characters that fit perimeters for being a Gary Stu but Rey…the first female protagonist in a Star Wars film is the one who is making the term nearly a household name/term. There’s definitely a correlation but I think most of the reason for the backlash is that she is more competent than Luke was in STAR WARS and since a lot of people’s view of the OT is so fragile it somehow diminishes the character.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think TPM is racist. “Loathsome mysogynist” is also a pretty intense accusation over a term as inoffensive as Mary Sue.

I know Frink isn’t going to defend his stance on these things anymore, but I have to say that I agree with this post.

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Shall we mention Kylo Ren’s temper tantrums? Makes Anakin’s whining and complaining seem absolutely normal.

As I’ve said before, I think GL deliberately used 30’s style story telling in the PT. For many this didn’t work. Many people don’t like older movies and their stilted style. It work for me so I tend to take the vehement hatred of the PT as a dislike of style choices. GL could have achieved his goal with a better set of films if he had consulted others on the stories - not yes men, but serious critiques from his peers like he did with SW/ANH. ATOC fails worse than the other two because it is the middle chapter. And yes, while I understand GL’s style choice, his execution is flawed.

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yotsuya said:

Shall we mention Kylo Ren’s temper tantrums? Makes Anakin’s whining and complaining seem absolutely normal.

So? Kylo Ren is immature and mentally ill; Anakin was just an asshole.

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My phone makes interacting with quotes difficult, but Lord Haseo, my point about Rey is that the film gives me the impression that she is awesome at everything, and hardly makes any mistakes or has any flaws. It’s just my opinion, of course, and I do really like her. I felt myself empathizing with her, which gives TFA a huge leg up on the prequels.
And my comment about people disagreeing being objectively wrong, that was obvious sarcasm.

AOTC sucks, but I’m interested in discussing similar and opposite opinions. Anything else just seems antithetical to the purpose of a forum.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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^^ Again, it’s execution. Having Anakin have a chip on his shoulder was never the problem. The way he was written, directed and acted was.

Kylo Ren was believably angry, hostile and immature. Anakin wasn’t.

Well, in the Clone Wars miniseries he was believable. Havent seen the CG version.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

making fun of people for their opinions

And you find that (i.e. bullying) acceptable?

I find it funny that when he is bullying users of these forums, it is all “sarcastic humour”. But when he is getting bullied from time to time, he gets all upset and starts name-calling people.

I find it funny people tell you to complain to Jay and you decline. I also think you don’t know what real bullying is like.

However you feel about Frink, what was being said about his personal loss crossed the effing line. It is unacceptable behavior and will not be tolerated.

As for AOTC, not enough Watto…

I have recently talked to Jay and apparently he thinks that bullying and offensive insults are okay. So sad to say it seems like Frinks is gonna stay on here(sigh)

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Hal 9000 said:
but Lord Haseo, my point about Rey is that the film gives me the impression that she is awesome at everything

I have always held the contention that she is competent in many areas but the only thing she excels at is her mechanic skills. I also think that there is a big difference between competent and awesome.

and hardly makes any mistakes or has any flaws.

She does make a couple of mistakes whereas Luke (even in SW) made quite a few more and Rey’s flaws are naivety and reluctance/fear. Fear actually being a flaw I don’t remember Luke having but in general he has more flaws as well. But Rey’s story isn’t over so there are many strengths and weaknesses that could become part of her character as she is developed in the sequels. Maybe like Anakin before her she will become pompous and and that could lead her to either turning to the Dark Side or her getting curb stomped by Kylo Ren…which is happening regardless.

And my comment about people disagreeing being objectively wrong, that was obvious sarcasm.

Hell if I know in 2016…

AOTC sucks, but I’m interested in discussing similar and opposite opinions.

I am too but there is a certain level of strange behavior PT fans exhibit when it pertains to them defending their viewpoint that makes real discussion almost meaningless.

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IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
So sad to say it seems like Frinks is gonna stay on here(sigh)

And you’re obviously Ghibili (or whatever your stupid ass name was) and it seems as though you’re staying as well because I’m guessing IP Bans aren’t a thing on this site.

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It seems every thread turns into an argument about TFA. Haven’t read the whole debate but I can only assume the argument is whether TFA is 10x better than AOTC or 100x better.

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Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
So sad to say it seems like Frinks is gonna stay on here(sigh)

And you’re obviously Ghibili (or whatever your stupid ass name was) and it seems as though you’re staying as well because I’m guessing IP Bans aren’t a thing on this site.

No, but administrators can track IP adresses if they suspect that somebody is a sock!

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Attack of the Clones would have been better if it cut out pretty much every scene on Coruscant, but that can be said about all of the prequels.

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Lord Haseo said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:
So sad to say it seems like Frinks is gonna stay on here(sigh)

And you’re obviously Ghibili (or whatever your stupid ass name was) and it seems as though you’re staying as well because I’m guessing IP Bans aren’t a thing on this site.

Patience.

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Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think TPM is racist. “Loathsome mysogynist” is also a pretty intense accusation over a term as inoffensive as Mary Sue.

I know Frink isn’t going to defend his stance on these things anymore, but I have to say that I agree with this post.

Shocking.

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IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:

Smithers said:

That’s what you should expect from a website called originaltrilogy.com

Well in fairness people like yourself are atleast not being a ‘‘Frink’’ about it.

for someone who has had an account for two days you really seem to have strong opinions… it somehow reminds me of that asshole who got banned twice in the last week

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Great, another teenager making another antagonistic signature…

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“Daddy, what is that dark place over there?”

“That is the General Star Wars discussion sub forum. You must never go there.”

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Smithers said:

IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer said:

Smithers said:

That’s what you should expect from a website called originaltrilogy.com

Well in fairness people like yourself are atleast not being a ‘‘Frink’’ about it.

for someone who has had an account for two days you really seem to have strong opinions… it somehow reminds me of that asshole who got banned twice in the last week

I hope that’s not gonna create any Animosity between the two of us. Because as a matter of fact I don’t have anything against you.